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| --- Day changed Wed Jul 21 2010 | ||
| fenn | how about giulio prisco :P | 00:00 |
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| kanzure | giulio is super nice but he just masturbates in second life all day long | 00:01 |
| kanzure | "Experienced transhumanists will recognize mad monks Aubrey de Gray at left and Todd Huffman at right. By the way, Huffman has at least one magnet implanted in one of his fingertips. Three out of three women I polled found that hot." | 00:01 |
| kanzure | ^just something i found trying to answer splicer's question | 00:02 |
| kanzure | "it's a chick magnet" ha ha ha | 00:02 |
| fenn | does it vibrate? | 00:02 |
| kanzure | you have to manually move the finger | 00:02 |
| kanzure | but yes | 00:03 |
| kanzure | couldn't you make it vibrate in the presence of an electric field? | 00:03 |
| kanzure | isn't that the whole point? | 00:03 |
| * fenn mumbles something about magnetic piercings | 00:03 | |
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| fenn | impossible to google for of course | 00:04 |
| kanzure | so anyway | 00:04 |
| Splicer | fenn: where did you find that link to the french hackerspace? | 00:04 |
| kanzure | i don't know if aubrey calls himself a transhumanist | 00:04 |
| kanzure | he certainly doesn't distance himself from it | 00:04 |
| fenn | i read it in here | 00:05 |
| kanzure | Splicer: i found it | 00:05 |
| kanzure | while obsessively compulsively scowering the web for "biohacking" | 00:05 |
| fenn | nick bostrom positions himself as a "transhumanist philosopher" | 00:05 |
| kanzure | obsessive-compulsively | 00:05 |
| kanzure | nick is full of himself | 00:05 |
| kanzure | and none of his works have ever seemed that interesting to me | 00:05 |
| Splicer | kanzure: ah, thanks... I'm impressed with the links that show up here sometimes | 00:06 |
| kanzure | so what, you wrote a paper about the ethics of killing a few quadrillion people that don't yet exist.. | 00:06 |
| kanzure | Splicer: :) | 00:06 |
| fenn | david pierce (pearce?) writes about similar subjects | 00:07 |
| kanzure | pearce | 00:07 |
| kanzure | and i think david is better at it, definitely | 00:07 |
| kanzure | although i don't know what his status is perceived as? nick is perceived as an academic | 00:07 |
| fenn | huh, brian wang is 44 years old? he doesn't seem that old | 00:09 |
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| kanzure | who now? | 00:10 |
| fenn | woah @ google images | 00:10 |
| fenn | super fast now | 00:11 |
| kanzure | what, the google image swirl?[1;2B[1;2B[1;2B[1;2B | 00:11 |
| kanzure | http://image-swirl.googlelabs.com/ | 00:11 |
| kanzure | fenn: so step.py is coming along (slwoly) but it will be usable in good time | 00:12 |
| kanzure | one of the things that i haven't thought about is evaluated AD stuff with it | 00:12 |
| kanzure | gah | 00:12 |
| kanzure | *CAD | 00:12 |
| kanzure | *AD | 00:12 |
| kanzure | was wondering if you have any tricks up your sleeve for that.. like how to properly evaluate intersections and unions | 00:12 |
| kanzure | i guess i'll just have to bite my teeth and write some code to check for intersecting surfaces, edges/wires/loops, and vertices | 00:13 |
| kanzure | right? | 00:13 |
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| fenn | http://fennetic.net/irc/google_images.png http://fennetic.net/irc/google_images_2.png when you load the first page it just keeps scrolling down for about 20 pages, loading new images on the fly | 00:17 |
| kanzure | autoscroll has been around for a while as greasemonkey scripts and firefox extensions (well and for any other browser) | 00:17 |
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| Utopiah | GM mouseless-autoscroll http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/25207 | 00:24 |
| fenn | omg, poor babies, where are the psycho bombers when you need them http://www.bellybuds.com/ | 00:32 |
| fenn | http://hackedgadgets.com/2006/06/01/new-glasses-require-piercing-bridge-of-nose/ | 00:37 |
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| fenn | what a weird game http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?t=19185&f=6&view=unread | 00:50 |
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| fenn | somebody read this and send me the diffs http://www.maxbarry.com/machineman/ | 00:56 |
| fenn | "not patented ideas" http://www.sciteclibrary.ru/eng/catalog/encs/ | 01:06 |
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| fenn | "What my body needed to realize was that I wasn't taking orders from organs. My biology existed in order to serve me, not the other way around. These self-interested clumps of flesh and fluid, they had better get with the program, because if it came down to them or me, it was going to be me." | 01:33 |
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| Splicer | the author thinks there is a "me", cute | 01:37 |
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| kanzure | "On June 22, 2010, the Belgium-based computational chemistry company Silicos NV has made a | 06:10 |
| kanzure | strategic decision to port the majority of its proprietary software into the open source arena. The " | 06:10 |
| kanzure | "decision has been made to port all of these tools and the corresponding C/C++ API's into the Open | 06:10 |
| kanzure | Babel environment under a GNU GPL licensing scheme." | 06:10 |
| kanzure | "Cosmos(TM) is Silicos' patented technology for the design of novel molecules using an evolutionary algorithm and using user-specified scoring functions. The tool has been adapted to be used in a fragment-based discovery enviroment." | 06:11 |
| kanzure | http://www.silicos.com/ | 06:11 |
| Utopiah | nice | 06:12 |
| kanzure | uh oh "patented technology" | 06:12 |
| kanzure | "Piramid is Silicos' software tool incorporating a shape-based alignment between pairs of molecules. Again, the resulting match is quantified using different measures including a Tanimoto coefficient." | 06:12 |
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| kanzure | fenn: do you remember when you were last arguing about DTDs with someone in here? | 06:20 |
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| kanzure | someone was asking about skdb and the file formats on OM so i wrote a long email | 07:01 |
| kanzure | http://groups.google.com/group/openmanufacturing/browse_frm/thread/aabee0e1cc28891f | 07:01 |
| drazak | is work on skdb still continuing? | 07:08 |
| kanzure | i'm still working on relevant code for it but i've been hesitant to commit because (1) the code isn't working right now and (2) skdb.git is a sprawling mess | 07:11 |
| kanzure | there's also been interesting antics that have gone uncommitted for various reasons.. like the thingiverse dataset that was converted to skdb-like packages: | 07:12 |
| kanzure | http://designfiles.org/~bryan/thingiverse/thingiverse_packages/ | 07:12 |
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| kanzure | http://principialabs.com/arduino-python-4-axis-servo-control/ "This tutorial will describe how to use Arduino to control a bank of four independent RC servos with your PC (or Mac, or *nix Box), using a USB cable and a modular Arduino-Python software stack." | 07:44 |
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| kanzure | http://goertzel.org/CosmistManifesto_July2010.pdf | 08:11 |
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| kanzure | http://transhumanistwiki.com/ http://transhumanistforums.com/old/ http://www.hpluscafe.com/forum http://fora.humanityplus.org/ | 08:22 |
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| kanzure | more on the silicos stuff: http://baoilleach.blogspot.com/2010/07/silicos-to-donate-code-to-open-babel.html | 11:07 |
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| kanzure | http://openspace.wikia.com/wiki/Open_Source_Aerospace_Wiki | 12:03 |
| kanzure | QuantumG: do you happen to know if anything is actually on that wiki? | 12:03 |
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| kanzure | someone should make sure i fill this out relatively soon | 13:49 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/cadfaq/ | 13:49 |
| kanzure | hm i wonder why the recent changes haven't been committed | 13:50 |
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| niftyzero1 | http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/07/20/the-lifeboat-foundation-battling-asteroids-nanobots-and-a-i/ | 14:02 |
| kanzure | niftyzero1: have you heard about the lifeboat folks before? | 14:03 |
| niftyzero1 | I'm on the board of advisors... :) | 14:03 |
| kanzure | a few of us in here are | 14:03 |
| kanzure | i don't know what the point is, though | 14:03 |
| kanzure | does the board do anything? | 14:03 |
| niftyzero1 | there's 1000 people on it, so it's not a big deal ;) | 14:03 |
| kanzure | yeah.. | 14:03 |
| niftyzero1 | I think board member == mailing list member | 14:04 |
| kanzure | oh there's a mailing list | 14:04 |
| kanzure | so they just send emails around? | 14:04 |
| niftyzero1 | you are not on it? | 14:04 |
| kanzure | i was offered but i just looked at it questionably | 14:04 |
| kanzure | i mean.. um. | 14:04 |
| niftyzero1 | yeah, it looks a bit strange... | 14:05 |
| kanzure | so do they do anything? | 14:05 |
| niftyzero1 | but there are some good people on there | 14:05 |
| niftyzero1 | it's just talk at this stage, as far as I can tell | 14:05 |
| niftyzero1 | heh http://community.nytimes.com/comments/bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/07/20/the-lifeboat-foundation-battling-asteroids-nanobots-and-a-i/?permid=6#comment6 | 14:10 |
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| kanzure | someone was trying to convince me yesterday to make something called "the bio safety foundation" | 14:32 |
| kanzure | his argument was that it would license amateur biologists (for some reason) | 14:32 |
| kanzure | but all it would do is just media and marketing and make people happy that someone is using the word "safety" | 14:32 |
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| kanzure | "from biohacking to bioart" http://groups.google.com/group/hackerspacesg/browse_thread/thread/b337e93d99a78c41 | 15:27 |
| kanzure | artificial cell markers / immune system stuff in biohacking http://www.scienceforums.net/topic/48646-artificial-cell-markers/ | 15:27 |
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| splicer | I have a feeling BP is starting to take off in Sci-Fi... having mixed emotions about that. | 15:30 |
| kanzure | "is starting to take off in Sci-Fi" <-- what? translation error? | 15:32 |
| kanzure | do you mean they are writing science fiction novels, or that they have scifi consultants, or what? | 15:32 |
| splicer | no.. stories | 15:32 |
| splicer | ah... BP as in Biopunk | 15:33 |
| splicer | my bad | 15:33 |
| kanzure | ohh | 15:34 |
| kanzure | :) there's many millions of science researchers that do all sorts of crazy complex things | 15:34 |
| kanzure | for a lot of them it's not scifi | 15:35 |
| splicer | the sci fi community is a juggernaut though... they produce a lot of text. | 15:36 |
| kanzure | cool the openmoto-x guy (paul) is on OM now | 15:37 |
| kanzure | yes and a lot of the text isn't all that scientifically accurate :P | 15:38 |
| jrayhawk | re: not committing: damnit | 15:42 |
| jrayhawk | wait, what's not commiting where? | 15:44 |
| kanzure | i did "git clone http://diyhpl.us/wiki.git" and looked at the commit log | 15:44 |
| jrayhawk | If it's a cgit thing, keep in mind cgit likes to cache pages and doesn't do a good job of invalidating them, so there can be a few minutes delay involved. | 15:44 |
| kanzure | anyone ever hear of "S.M.U.T. - Subversive Manifesto for Underground Technology"? | 15:45 |
| kanzure | http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=119964624706743&index=1 | 15:45 |
| jrayhawk | you should be using git://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki.git (for read) or git+ssh://diyhpl.us/srv/git/diyhpluswiki (for read/write) | 15:46 |
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| jrayhawk | I guess just git://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki works | 15:47 |
| kanzure | okay | 15:47 |
| kanzure | i was just invited to talk at SMUT.. guess i'll haul over the robotic arm | 15:48 |
| genehacker | SMUT? | 15:49 |
| QuantumG | your real doll has a robotic arm? | 15:49 |
| jrayhawk | That's odd; I don't really know why your symlink approach wouldn't work. | 15:50 |
| kanzure | QuantumG: http://designfiles.org/~bryan/photos/puma560/2010-05-28_puma500.jpg | 15:50 |
| QuantumG | neat.. have you gotten it to do anything? | 15:52 |
| kanzure | it's a really amazing lamp right now | 15:53 |
| QuantumG | heh | 15:53 |
| genehacker | huh | 15:54 |
| genehacker | so the NES used a microprocessor that had 4000 transistors and used only 4 kb of ram | 15:55 |
| QuantumG | arguably the most popular microprocessor ever too | 15:55 |
| genehacker | REALLY? | 15:55 |
| QuantumG | the z80? sure | 15:56 |
| genehacker | you can really do that much with 4000 transistors and 4kb of ram? | 15:56 |
| kanzure | if you're clever | 15:56 |
| QuantumG | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Z80 | 15:57 |
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| genehacker | because I did some calculations and a fluidic microprocessor based on something like that probably wouldn't be terribly huge | 15:57 |
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| QuantumG | heh, FPGA versions :) | 15:57 |
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| genehacker | the only problem is making the memory | 15:58 |
| kanzure | "hmm, you're like the perfect friend ot have" aww | 15:58 |
| genehacker | and I'm not quite sure how to go about making bistable elements | 15:59 |
| genehacker | which are probably important? | 15:59 |
| kanzure | wouldn't you just make a fluidic flip-flop for the memory? | 16:01 |
| genehacker | fluidic flip flops don't set-reset capability at low reynolds numbers | 16:02 |
| kanzure | i was thinking of just having a few valves or something | 16:02 |
| kanzure | or equivalent in your-control-system-of-choice | 16:03 |
| genehacker | so how would you make a memory unit with valves? | 16:03 |
| kanzure | how are you actuating the liquid? | 16:05 |
| kanzure | and are you using droplets or not | 16:05 |
| genehacker | I'm not sure yet | 16:05 |
| genehacker | no droplets | 16:05 |
| kanzure | ah | 16:05 |
| kanzure | i think manu came up with some binary gates with droplet microfluidics | 16:05 |
| kanzure | and if you got the logic gates you can do basic flip flops | 16:05 |
| genehacker | maybe oil droplets for memory | 16:05 |
| genehacker | as far as actuation goes gravity might be enough | 16:06 |
| genehacker | microfluidic amplifiers can run off of millimeters of water | 16:06 |
| genehacker | so just logic gates? | 16:07 |
| kanzure | millimeters or did you mean milliliters | 16:07 |
| genehacker | millimeters of water as in pressure | 16:07 |
| kanzure | ah. | 16:07 |
| kanzure | but yeah, a common first year design problem for chip designers is making a memory cache out of flip flops and logic gates | 16:08 |
| kanzure | look up a flip-flop register | 16:08 |
| genehacker | could one use delay line memory for something like that? | 16:09 |
| kanzure | oh wow the google image results really suck | 16:09 |
| genehacker | err... I guess that might get big | 16:10 |
| kanzure | ok search for 4-bit shift register | 16:10 |
| kanzure | http://wpcontent.answers.com/wikipedia/commons/4/48/4-Bit_PISO_Shift_Register.png | 16:10 |
| genehacker | I don't know how to make those set-rest flipflops | 16:11 |
| genehacker | only flip flops with no set reset capability | 16:11 |
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| genehacker | it might be possible to make something like that using a droplet of oil to prevent flow and not prevent flow, only it's hard to get the droplet of oil in place | 16:14 |
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| kanzure | hi patrickmclaren | 16:16 |
| kanzure | iirc you're the diybio-melbourne / life extension go-to guy? | 16:17 |
| genehacker | almost forgot switching time is on the order of 2khz so it'd be pretty slow | 16:18 |
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| patrickmclaren | kanzure: I don't know about the 'go-to guy' haha :) | 17:02 |
| patrickmclaren | but yes I am in Melbourne. Only recently discovered the diobio movement | 17:02 |
| patrickmclaren | And am looking to get something together down here | 17:03 |
| kanzure | have you been to CCHS yet? | 17:03 |
| patrickmclaren | no I haven't yet.. I'm just checking that out now. | 17:08 |
| patrickmclaren | is there much interest there? | 17:08 |
| kanzure | i haven't explicitly asked them, but i have sent a few transhumanists their way :> | 17:09 |
| patrickmclaren | hm I should see if I can make the meeting this weekend then | 17:18 |
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| JayDugger | Good evening, everyone. | 18:22 |
| JayDugger | fenn: I dismissed your legitimate criticisms of the flat-pack SketchChair when last we spoke. <HALF-BAKED & IRRELEVANT EXCUSE REDACTED>. I apologize. | 18:23 |
| kanzure | JayDugger: have you been using http://gnusha.org/logs/ for logs? | 18:36 |
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| JayDugger | Could you make a similar tool for arbitrary, or at least a wider range, of sliceforms? | 19:21 |
| JayDugger | Similar to this: http://blog.ponoko.com/2010/03/18/creating-laser-cut-3d-forms-super-easily/, but sans SketchUp or Blender. | 19:21 |
| fenn | cool | 19:23 |
| JayDugger | Anyhow, time to commute. Good night, everyone. | 19:24 |
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| fenn | flightsofideas.com seems to have gone belly up | 19:24 |
| kanzure | jaydugger wants the gnusha.org logs in the /topic :( | 19:25 |
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| fenn | oh well, if reprap can do it, i'm sure there are other ways of slicing an stl | 19:25 |
| kanzure | sigh | 19:25 |
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| kanzure | when will freenode staffers get on this? | 19:25 |
| kanzure | how many TPS reports do i need to file | 19:25 |
| fenn | anyone can edit the topic | 19:25 |
| kanzure | try it | 19:25 |
| * fenn shrugs | 19:26 | |
| fenn | you broke it! | 19:26 |
| fenn | i was supposed to leave at 5 | 19:26 |
| * fenn watches his life pass by, opportunities missed, votes lost | 19:27 | |
| fenn | gah | 19:27 |
| kanzure | at least one of us made "progress" today (ok not really- it's probably all useless code) | 19:34 |
| kanzure | but it's (almost) generating a sphere | 19:35 |
| kanzure | just one or two last bugs to stomp | 19:35 |
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| kanzure | hi BoyTito | 21:38 |
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| kanzure | this guy has some interesting publications | 22:50 |
| kanzure | http://www.mso.anu.edu.au/~charley/ | 22:50 |
| kanzure | http://www.mso.anu.edu.au/~charley/publications.html | 22:50 |
| QuantumG | nice | 22:56 |
| jrayhawk | If you decide you hate Freenode, I hear good things about OFTC | 22:57 |
| QuantumG | yeah you know me? | 22:57 |
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| patrickmclaren | how long ago did http://www.agi-roadmap.org/ die off? | 23:22 |
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| QuantumG | looks like about the time actually making a roadmap rather than just talking about it. | 23:23 |
| patrickmclaren | Would you happen to know the best place to lend a hand with that? | 23:25 |
| QuantumG | no sorry. I got out of it a few years ago | 23:26 |
| QuantumG | when it became apparent that OpenCog was never going anywhere | 23:26 |
| QuantumG | you could try them.. but their progress has been held up by some personalities | 23:26 |
| patrickmclaren | I see, I was just about to check OpenCog out actually | 23:27 |
| patrickmclaren | Major progress blocks? | 23:27 |
| QuantumG | let us know if you find anything worthwhile in it. | 23:27 |
| QuantumG | depends if you consider "getting something to work" a major block | 23:28 |
| patrickmclaren | blockages everywhere it seems haha | 23:29 |
| * heath_ notes to self that 600mg of modafinil is too much | 23:30 | |
| QuantumG | I think SOAR is probably the most mature AGI available. | 23:30 |
| QuantumG | heath_: what's the effect? | 23:30 |
| patrickmclaren | Also, you wouldn't happen to know anything about SIAI's friendly ai project would you? | 23:30 |
| QuantumG | never got further than paper I believe | 23:30 |
| patrickmclaren | I see endless discussion of their theory of AI, and references to a development team, but again nothing on progress | 23:32 |
| patrickmclaren | I'll have a look at SOAR | 23:32 |
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| heath_ | well... aside from the sore jaws from clenching my teeth all day... i also forget how easy it is to just keep talking and talking. i remember being on 600mg/day at some point and i learned to control that.. having not taken such a high dosage in awhile, it also kept me up all night... and well, i've been depressed all day | 23:34 |
| heath_ | but not due modafinil, as a matter of fact, it's kept me distracted enough to not do anything stupid | 23:35 |
| QuantumG | heath_: isn't keeping you up all night what you want? | 23:35 |
| heath_ | no, i took to be mentally sharp for the interview | 23:35 |
| heath_ | i took 300mg @ 8:30am and 300mg 9:30am | 23:36 |
| QuantumG | I mentioned it to some friends the other week and they were interested in giving it a go.. of course it's prescription here | 23:36 |
| heath_ | same here, but er.. not mine | 23:36 |
| heath_ | 200-300 should be good enough for them | 23:37 |
| heath_ | this person was prescribed 100mg/day | 23:37 |
| QuantumG | any idea what the effect is at that level? in regards to sleep? | 23:38 |
| heath_ | i had 200 the other day, no problem sleeping, but i of course didn't sleep much at all the night before. i didn't try to stay up either, i probably could have | 23:39 |
| klafka | hey this is a goood place to ask, what does anyone recommend as a starting dose for piracteam | 23:39 |
| heath_ | immortality institute forums have covered this | 23:39 |
| klafka | it would be nice if modafinil was a legal OTC thing | 23:39 |
| heath_ | i don't know | 23:39 |
| heath_ | usually i look for academic papers to find the typical dosage of this stuff | 23:40 |
| QuantumG | see, it's not supposed to prevent you from sleeping.. it's supposed to aid you staying up, if that's your goal. | 23:40 |
| QuantumG | I just haven't heard anyone say it works. | 23:40 |
| heath_ | oh, well, i can tell you from the past and well..from right now, it aids me in staying up :) | 23:40 |
| heath_ | but i previously didn't have a problem sleeping taking this, but er.. that was a huge blow to me.. so it's been on my mind... | 23:41 |
| QuantumG | I'd like to try it, see if I can safely go a week without (much) sleep | 23:41 |
| heath_ | er...i wouldn't recommend it | 23:41 |
| heath_ | good for a day or two, but your body will catch up | 23:41 |
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| QuantumG | ultimately I'd like a drug that eliminates the need for sleep completely.. but I'm not exactly optimistic that it exists. | 23:42 |
| klafka | jesus boston seems to have a bio conference like every 2 weeks | 23:42 |
| heath_ | i would ease into it.. i took a 400mg dosage for the first time in a long time and stayed up a good 30 hours last week and regretted it the next few days | 23:42 |
| klafka | QuantumG, that eliminates the need for sleep w/ no negative side effects | 23:42 |
| klafka | eyeah i'm not optimistic about that for awhile | 23:42 |
| QuantumG | indeed :) | 23:42 |
| QuantumG | or at least tolerable side effects | 23:43 |
| QuantumG | just not fatal ones | 23:43 |
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| QuantumG | if there's a trade to be made, I'd like to know what it is. | 23:43 |
| heath_ | you get super powers with modafinil, no doubt. but be careful to not be the obnoxious guy on drugs.. ya know the guy who won't shut up | 23:44 |
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| heath_ | because you will process stuff much faster than those around you | 23:44 |
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| QuantumG | I think I already am that guy.. ask half the people on this channel. | 23:44 |
| heath_ | hehe, this is different than irc :) | 23:45 |
| heath_ | can i has an h+ commune? | 23:45 |
| heath_ | or just $10k | 23:46 |
| klafka | heath_, a lot of times it is "you think you process stuff much faster than those around you" | 23:46 |
| QuantumG | yeah, it's funny.. I wonder if this drug just does whatever you think it does :) | 23:47 |
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| QuantumG | placebo amplification | 23:48 |
| heath_ | maybe, you do feel subjectively better, klafka. i'm going to attempt to rest, because i have a feeling staying up another night isn't going to land me this next job | 23:48 |
| heath_ | QuantumG: uh, no. it doesn't act like that. trust me. oh, and watch out for mild headaches if you take 600mg a few days in a row | 23:49 |
| heath_ | -"trust me" | 23:50 |
| QuantumG | can't imagine I would. I think I'd be taking some small dose until I first felt tired, then going off it until I was sleeping regularly again, then try an increased dosage | 23:50 |
| QuantumG | and by "tired" I mean "feel I must go to sleep or I'll die" | 23:51 |
| klafka | QuantumG, not so much placebo amplification but rather stimulants have a tendency to cause you to overestimate ones own abilities while on them | 23:52 |
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| QuantumG | well there goes the theory that modafinil isn't a stimulant | 23:56 |
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