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| fenn | wow i know the guy who invented the buddy list http://web.archive.bibalex.org/web/19991002023615/www.lig.net/sdw/fullresume.html | 02:51 |
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| kanzure | "Electrowetting-based pico-liter liquid actuation in a glass-tube microinjector | 08:04 |
| kanzure | hey why isn't there a torrent for "transcendent man" yet :/ | 08:10 |
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| uniqanomaly_ | kanzure: 'cause it's about money, not enlightenment of humanity, and result is strict control over it, imho ;p | 08:21 |
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| QuantumG | and that's probably the most sensible way to distribute a film like that if you need to recoup investment. | 08:36 |
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| Ian_Daniher | We should FOSH these: http://www.kyoto-energy.com/products.html | 08:54 |
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| kanzure | uniqanomaly_: actually i think that the reason why nobody is torrenting it is because the movie just flat out sucks and is net negative for transhumanism | 09:52 |
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| splicer | phylomon.org, a biodiversity pokemon trading card type of game | 10:25 |
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| kanzure | splicer: that site links over to http://www.networkedorganisms.com/about an iphone app for spotting/geotagging wildlife | 11:00 |
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| kanzure | some "share/rent" websites | 11:19 |
| kanzure | http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_0In9NebAM8Y/S_AEOwaNhMI/AAAAAAAACto/bxnTEj3DGoM/s1600/SSSBlankZipPosterTent.png | 11:19 |
| kanzure | http://manhattan.neighborrow.com/ http://neighborgoods.net/ http://www.sharesomesugar.com/ http://ou.rshelf.com/ | 11:19 |
| kanzure | the hplusmagazine.com article on skdb was pasted over here: http://www.lickmychip.com/?p=1203 | 11:26 |
| splicer | kanzure: Good article | 11:31 |
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| ENKI-][ | presumably you all already have the neurosky sdk | 12:12 |
| ENKI-][ | but, for those of you who are paranoid, i have rehosted my copy\ | 12:12 |
| ENKI-][ | probably in violation of the TOS but meh\ | 12:13 |
| ENKI-][ | http://namcub.accela-labs.com/stories/projects/mdt-r2_1_2.zip | 12:13 |
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| kanzure | http://www.crummy.com/writing/segfault.org/Bus.html `"What If Linus Torvalds Gets Hit By A Bus?" - An Empirical Study` | 12:17 |
| kanzure | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bus_factor | 12:17 |
| kanzure | http://lwn.net/Articles/393694/ "On the scalability of Linus" | 12:17 |
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| ENKI-][ | kanzure: i don't suppose i can convince you to translate all your documents into, say, plaintext and tarball them? | 12:40 |
| kanzure | "all your documents" do you mean http://designfiles.org/papers/ or wut? | 12:40 |
| ENKI-][ | i have a couple nice scripts written for automagically converting all sorts of silly document formats into ascii | 12:40 |
| ENKI-][ | everything ;-) | 12:40 |
| ENKI-][ | i have a hunger for gobs of plaintext | 12:41 |
| kanzure | no, i don't have enough upload bandwidth for anything like that | 12:41 |
| ENKI-][ | ok | 12:41 |
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| kanzure | http://transitlab.org/2010/a-nod-to-joris-a-uk-perspective-on-diybio | 13:07 |
| kanzure | http://www.bloggersbase.com/blogging/jaron-lanier-fall-of-opensource/ | 13:07 |
| kanzure | "How can we apply the ideas of opensource and innovation to the fields outside computing, like CNC based personal manufacturing, scientific research and DIYbio when it's running into such problems on what should be the culture's home ground? Are those open-manufacturers/scientists/biohobbyists/etc about to run into unforeseen trouble inherent in existing idea of opensource itself? Are we already in trouble?" | 13:08 |
| kanzure | "How can we apply the ideas of opensource and innovation to the fields outside computing, like CNC based personal manufacturing, scientific research and DIYbio when it's running into such problems on what should be the culture's home ground? Are those open-manufacturers/scientists/biohobbyists/etc about to run into unforeseen trouble inherent in existing idea of opensource itself? Are we already in trouble?"B[B[Boh that's not jaron | 13:09 |
| kanzure | oh that's not jaron | 13:09 |
| kanzure | that's sung won lim | 13:09 |
| kanzure | ok is this a bug in irssi or is it something stupid that i am doing? when i type too quickly (perhaps due to lag) irssi seems to not parse control codes correctly | 13:09 |
| ENKI-][ | jaron lanier is the guy who was all about VR in the 90s and recently began decrying peer to peer filesharing? | 13:09 |
| ENKI-][ | the musician | 13:10 |
| kanzure | i think sung's analysis is completely full of shit | 13:10 |
| ENKI-][ | i think sung is full of shit. | 13:11 |
| kanzure | wikipedia isn't really a good example of open source software development | 13:11 |
| ENKI-][ | he appears to be complaining that C is a useless languae | 13:11 |
| kanzure | mostly because it's a giant encyclopedia, not code | 13:11 |
| kanzure | "ruby" is *not* innovation :P | 13:11 |
| kanzure | and .NET? gah | 13:12 |
| kanzure | how do i correctly do a public reply to this BS? "Some comments on Sung's terrible article" or something? | 13:14 |
| ENKI-][ | "it appears that the author should do some research before posting this oral diarhhea. alternately, i could recommend a good-quality cork" | 13:15 |
| kanzure | heh | 13:16 |
| kanzure | sung and i are kind of on good terms though | 13:16 |
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| kanzure | hmm | 13:16 |
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| ENKI-][ | then maybe you should contact him privately and ask for whatever illicit pharmaceuticals he is using? | 13:17 |
| kyb3R | :) | 13:53 |
| kanzure | i guess you could argue that wikipedia is kind of like "open source software development" because the workflow seems similar | 14:01 |
| kanzure | but it's a pretty shallow comparison | 14:02 |
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| kanzure | my response was here btw: http://groups.google.com/group/diybio/t/20038a06095a9a25 | 15:23 |
| kanzure | "diybio meets jaron lanier" now here's some good entertainment.. heh. | 15:23 |
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| QuantumG | is he being a tard again? | 15:24 |
| kanzure | QuantumG: no it's just that someone from diybio-nyc watched a jaron lanier video ate it up and spit this out: | 15:24 |
| kanzure | http://www.bloggersbase.com/blogging/jaron-lanier-fall-of-opensource/ | 15:24 |
| QuantumG | lanier's not even a troll | 15:25 |
| QuantumG | he believes his own bullshit | 15:26 |
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| kanzure | wow george whitesides is 70 years old? | 16:17 |
| kanzure | http://www.smithsonianmag.com/specialsections/40th-anniversary/97125234.html | 16:17 |
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| kanzure | ""My view of the health care worker of the future is not a doctor, but an 18-year-old, otherwise unemployed, who has two things. He has a backpack full of these tests, and a lancet to occasionally take a blood sample, and an AK-47. And these are the things that get him through his day."" | 16:27 |
| kanzure | ok whitesides officially kicks ass | 16:27 |
| uniqanomaly_ | nice one | 16:31 |
| kanzure | fyi for everyone else who missed it there's some of his papers on the server | 16:32 |
| kanzure | http://designfiles.org/papers/whitesides/ | 16:32 |
| uniqanomaly_ | http://free-books.dontexist.com | 16:34 |
| uniqanomaly_ | if anyone is searching for any books :> | 16:34 |
| uniqanomaly_ | oh, it's evil, i forgot ;) | 16:35 |
| uniqanomaly_ | anyway, 282k books | 16:36 |
| uniqanomaly_ | on anything | 16:36 |
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| patrickmclaren | thanks uniqanomaly_ | 16:45 |
| fenn | kanzure how would anyone torrent it if the only people who have the actual recordings are the ones doing live showings? | 17:01 |
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| kanzure | "We can and do build tools that make simple tasks simple for more people, but let's not let most people loose on the infrastructure of our technical civilization or force the professionals to use only tools designed for amateurs." | 17:08 |
| kanzure | ^that was stroustrup http://www.technologyreview.com/printer_friendly_article.aspx?id=17868&channel=computing§ion= | 17:09 |
| bkero | We do what we must because we can. | 17:12 |
| uniqanomaly_ | we can what we do because we must | 17:13 |
| uniqanomaly_ | we must do what we can because we do | 17:13 |
| uniqanomaly_ | just little remix | 17:14 |
| uniqanomaly_ | no bigger value | 17:14 |
| uniqanomaly_ | ok, it was little more funny than it should but it's just me | 17:15 |
| klafka | fenn that's acutally how a lot of music has moved towards | 17:15 |
| klafka | dj's play "dubs" basically unreleased tracks that they/small circle of friends have access to and don't release them, so they trade on their exclusivity | 17:16 |
| klafka | or at least in some genres | 17:17 |
| klafka | that's what happens | 17:17 |
| kanzure | my suspicion is that nobody /wants/ to torrent 'transcendent man' because it's just not good | 17:17 |
| klafka | what's transcendent man/ | 17:17 |
| kanzure | ray kurzweil's movie | 17:18 |
| QuantumG | future recruiting video of the Church Of The Singularity | 17:18 |
| fenn | kanzure: i think you overestimate the bandwidth required for compressed text.. | 17:19 |
| kanzure | quite possible | 17:19 |
| kanzure | QuantumG: s/Church Of The Singularity/Singulariy Institute/ | 17:19 |
| kanzure | but no, it's not | 17:19 |
| kanzure | *Singularity | 17:19 |
| kanzure | gah | 17:19 |
| QuantumG | that's the incubator of the church | 17:20 |
| fenn | the B[B[B is control codes for arrow keys, it's due to lag in your ssh session | 17:20 |
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| kanzure | how about the weird paste issues when i paste and it copies characters from my previous line twice (or something) | 17:21 |
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| kanzure | random diybio post (nothing new in here) http://voxelfab.com/blog/2010/07/diy-bio/ | 17:25 |
| fenn | 'I hate being the tech support for the whole family'? usually said in a context of dealing with windows.. | 17:26 |
| fenn | maybe your paste contains control codes which hit the up-arrow? | 17:28 |
| fenn | i suspect it's not irssi | 17:28 |
| fenn | but rather some weird clipboard thing | 17:28 |
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| fenn | blah. why did i read that article by sung won lim | 17:32 |
| fenn | i'm going to go cut myself | 17:32 |
| kanzure | i honestly had a significantly higher opinion of sung before that article | 17:34 |
| kanzure | the whitesides article will cheer you up | 17:37 |
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| kanzure | hi Juul :) | 17:45 |
| Juul | hey :) | 17:45 |
| Juul | just finished this http://twitter.com/labitat_dk/status/19380671750 | 17:46 |
| kanzure | so, how goes diybio-copenhagen? | 17:46 |
| kanzure | "Now witness the printing power of this fully ARMED and OPERATIONAL A0 inkjet" made of win | 17:47 |
| Juul | I just came home from attending HOPE and then (virtually, grrr) attending the BIOFAB community meeting, and Labitat is kinda in summer low-energy mode | 17:47 |
| kanzure | i didn't watch BIOFAB.. any thoughts? | 17:47 |
| Juul | yeah, I'm actually involved with that project now so I'm probably biased :) but it seems like they're just going "O. K... this is the state of synthetic biology today. how do we get from here to where we can actually engineer complex systems" | 17:49 |
| Juul | and they're very focused on openness when it comes to information | 17:49 |
| Juul | openness when it comes to sharing actual wetware is still up for debate | 17:49 |
| kanzure | from a distance all that i can see is that they are waiting for someone to figure the rest of the biobricks puzzle out for them ;) | 17:50 |
| Juul | ok. they're working on something termed the EOU: Expression Operating Unit. It's about enabled reliable and scalable forward engineering of expression levels within a "standardized" casette | 17:51 |
| kanzure | by which i mean- one of their igem teams to come up with some good prediction method or something | 17:51 |
| kanzure | i see. | 17:51 |
| Juul | as i see it: they're mostly working to figure out exactly what current capabilities are right now, and pulling everything relevant in from all areas. trying to make it all easier to work with. but the goal is not to wait for others to develop this stuff, they're also working on these things themselves. | 17:52 |
| Juul | the presentations are up for free download. i'm not sure why the actual presentation is requiring a password right now, but I'll ask monday | 17:53 |
| kanzure | do you have a link anyway? | 17:53 |
| Juul | everything is here: http://biofab.org/communitymeeting | 17:54 |
| kanzure | also do you know what the crossover perccentage is for biofab peeps and ginkgo peeps? | 17:54 |
| kanzure | are they same exact people or are they different | 17:54 |
| Juul | ginkgo? | 17:55 |
| kanzure | the biobricks consulting group thing.. | 17:55 |
| kanzure | ginkgo bioworks | 17:55 |
| kanzure | http://ginkgobioworks.com/ | 17:55 |
| Juul | as far as I can see there is no overlap at all | 17:56 |
| kanzure | reshma shetty, for instance? | 17:56 |
| kanzure | austin che? | 17:56 |
| Juul | nope | 17:56 |
| kanzure | huh | 17:57 |
| kanzure | okay, that's interesting | 17:57 |
| Juul | not names I have heard connected to the biofab, and certainly not in the core group | 17:57 |
| Juul | it's lead by adam arkin and drew endy | 17:57 |
| Juul | head of dry-lab is cesar rodriguez | 17:57 |
| Juul | Vivek Mutalik | 17:58 |
| Juul | Guillaume Cambray | 17:58 |
| Juul | Gaymon Bennett | 17:59 |
| kanzure | yeah here are the names i know about: drew endy, vivek mutalik, Guillaume Cambray, Geoff Baldwin, Randy Rettberg, Richard Kitney, Cesar Rodriguez, Chris Anderson, Daniel Bibl, Richard Murray, Gaymon Bennett, Adam Arkin | 17:59 |
| Juul | Daniel Bibl | 17:59 |
| kanzure | i guess that might legitimately be everyone.. | 17:59 |
| kanzure | Juul: dunno if you've seen this little project of mine.. http://designfiles.org/~bryan/meetlog/meetlog.txt | 18:00 |
| Juul | you're missing the names of a few students working on the project. i think that's it | 18:01 |
| Juul | yeah i have | 18:02 |
| kanzure | did i show you or did you randomly come across it :P | 18:02 |
| Juul | you asked me if i was a Juul from that file | 18:02 |
| Juul | and i was | 18:02 |
| kanzure | oh right | 18:02 |
| kanzure | cool, then | 18:02 |
| kanzure | i've been going on a splurge adding in all of the team members from the synthetic biology competitions | 18:03 |
| Juul | you were working on some microfluidics stuff right>? | 18:03 |
| kanzure | yes | 18:03 |
| Juul | how's that going? | 18:04 |
| Juul | do you have some info on it online? | 18:04 |
| kanzure | it's going pretty slow | 18:04 |
| kanzure | since summer time at the shop is too hot for human lifeforms to do work in, i've been focusing on mostly software stuff for the past month or so | 18:04 |
| kanzure | and no, the software for it is pretty crude and terrible.. i was making a library of components to assemble into a finished design | 18:05 |
| kanzure | i.e. "chamber1.connect(inlet_port)" and have that generate a corresponding portion of the graph/diagram for the circuit | 18:05 |
| Juul | cool | 18:05 |
| kanzure | instead what i've more recently been spending development effort on is a python library to generate STEP (CAD) files | 18:06 |
| kanzure | so.. "sphere = Sphere(); box = Cube(); sphere.fuse(box); sphere.save_as('my_sphere.step');" | 18:06 |
| Juul | STEP? for laser cutters? | 18:06 |
| kanzure | nah | 18:06 |
| kanzure | laser cutter file formats are either raster image files (bitmaps, pngs, jpegs) or vector formats (HPGL, SVG) | 18:07 |
| kanzure | this is for open source hardware CAD.. like for mechanical component representation | 18:07 |
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| Juul | oooh | 18:07 |
| kanzure | there's lots of proprietary tools for CAD- like solidworks | 18:08 |
| kanzure | and then there's some almost-usable open source versions like http://heekscad.org/ | 18:08 |
| kanzure | and then there's some almost-what-we-need stuff like http://openscad.org/ which is a povray-like language for generating meshes (but we need it to generate CAD!) | 18:08 |
| kanzure | so anyway, we're getting there ;) | 18:08 |
| Juul | ah cool | 18:08 |
| Juul | that's a big task you've got yourself there :) | 18:09 |
| QuantumG | anyone know a software security guy or girl on the east coast who might be looking for work? | 18:09 |
| Juul | what about blender? might it not be easier to mod that to do CAD stuff? | 18:09 |
| QuantumG | doesn't matter if they don't have much experience (but I'm sure at least some would be beneficial) | 18:10 |
| kanzure | Juul: no, blender cannot be "modded" to turn it into CAD (i get this question a lot) | 18:10 |
| kanzure | i've been meaning to write a faq about this | 18:10 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/wiki/cadfaq | 18:10 |
| Juul | ok. yeah i don't understand the internal workings of different 3D representations. any simple to explain reason why that isn't possible? | 18:11 |
| kanzure | blender's data representation and internal "life force" (as it were) was completely devoted to mesh modeling (3D animation) | 18:12 |
| kanzure | if you were to modify blender in this way it would require rewriting the whole thing anyway | 18:12 |
| kanzure | meshes are sets of triangles to describe a 3D object | 18:13 |
| Juul | yeah ok I see | 18:13 |
| kanzure | CAD representation formats- like CSG- build up objects from fundamental 3D primitives and preserve that information | 18:13 |
| kanzure | boundary representation is a more "advanced" CAD format that uses a mathematical manifold to describe the shape | 18:13 |
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| kanzure | of course, users don't have to know the math behind brep ;) | 18:14 |
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| Juul | hm, when you think about it it's kinda the difference between raster and vector representations isn't it? | 18:15 |
| kanzure | yes | 18:15 |
| kanzure | STL meshes are kind of like a binary blob file | 18:15 |
| kanzure | and CAD is kind of like looking at the source code | 18:15 |
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| Juul | I wonder how insanely hard it would be to write a good mesh to CAD-file approximater | 18:16 |
| kanzure | very insanely hard | 18:16 |
| Juul | and the result would always kinda suck | 18:16 |
| kanzure | if you're able to do a good one that's a phd right there ;) | 18:16 |
| Juul | hehehe | 18:17 |
| kanzure | they sometimes call this surface reconstrucction | 18:18 |
| kanzure | http://designfiles.org/papers/reconstruction/ | 18:18 |
| Juul | :) that's some bedside reading right there | 18:19 |
| kanzure | but in many cases the authors who use this term are just trying to say "we took a point cloud from a laser scanner and constructed a good looking mesh" which is not the same thing obviously | 18:19 |
| kanzure | Juul: dunno how you feel about longevity research but if you want some serious bedside reading try http://designfiles.org/papers/longevity | 18:20 |
| Juul | cool | 18:20 |
| Juul | I feel that it's great and interesting, but I try to stick to simpler life-forms as the compile-time and regulations for those pesky multi-cellular machines are far too long for someone as impatient as me | 18:22 |
| Juul | I should get home, I'm keeping a guy up who wants to crash in the space | 18:23 |
| kanzure | okay. cya | 18:23 |
| Juul | bye, thanks for teaching me stuff | 18:24 |
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| JayDugger | kanzure: What do you use for academic reference management? Not Mendeley, I remember, but what--if not just dumping to the filesystem. | 18:32 |
| JayDugger | I do that, and I want the computer to do that job. | 18:32 |
| kanzure | sometimes i use zotero | 18:41 |
| kanzure | sometimes i use pybibtex | 18:41 |
| JayDugger | Thank you. | 18:45 |
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| kanzure | opensciencefund.org has a wiki http://opensciencefund.org/wiki/index.php?title=OpenPCR | 19:17 |
| kanzure | http://opensciencefund.org/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page | 19:18 |
| kanzure | http://opensciencefund.org/wiki/index.php?title=CultureCloud mentions skdb for some reason? | 19:18 |
| kanzure | aw man.. he's invaded somethingawful :/ http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=2817197&userid=136668 | 19:20 |
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| fenn | meetlog['Juul'].context.append('meetlog') | 20:11 |
| kanzure | i wonder if using an interpreter session would be more productive than typing things in (er, since my email/pidgin/irc plugins suck) | 20:15 |
| fenn | personally i would have some ACID api to access the data to make sure i'm not overwriting the file with multiple editors open | 20:16 |
| kanzure | at this point yaml is really bad | 20:16 |
| fenn | and a bunch of little shel scripts like 'talked jules about meetlog' | 20:16 |
| kanzure | since it takes about 5min to load up the file | 20:16 |
| fenn | well, don't use yaml then | 20:17 |
| kanzure | i could just split it up into multiple files i guess | 20:17 |
| kanzure | or throw it into a database | 20:17 |
| fenn | sorry, last line was sort of ambiguous, 'talked' would be e.g. a python script that accesses whatever database and inserts context for 'Jules' or the closest qwerty-typo distance (not greater than 2) | 20:18 |
| kanzure | yeah i got that | 20:18 |
| kanzure | s/got/understood/ | 20:18 |
| fenn | why is "typo distance" not a common concept? i dont see any search results | 20:19 |
| kanzure | try "typographical similarity" ? | 20:19 |
| fenn | nothing there either | 20:20 |
| fenn | fuck is this another thing that ought to have existed 50 years ago but i have to make myself from scratch? | 20:21 |
| kanzure | i wish there was a better way to get a link of a pdf file that google links to on a results page | 20:21 |
| kanzure | oh god.. http://www.ashland.kctcs.edu/tlc/presentations/Dee_Tadlock/5_Worksheet%20for%20Students_SPELL%20RIGHT.doc | 20:22 |
| kanzure | or the html version: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:VZIZmj5ZUD8J:www.ashland.kctcs.edu/tlc/presentations/Dee_Tadlock/5_Worksheet%2520for%2520Students_SPELL%2520RIGHT.doc+spelling+error+analysis&cd=14&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=iceweasel-a | 20:22 |
| fenn | because when you're logged in to google it gives you a 'forward-to' url to keep track of which links you clicked on? | 20:23 |
| kanzure | yes | 20:23 |
| fenn | there's the url below the result btw, without http:// | 20:23 |
| kanzure | not if the url is too long | 20:23 |
| kanzure | then it's occluded | 20:23 |
| fenn | it has a space in it or something? | 20:24 |
| kanzure | no, occluded as in has a "..." (ellipses) in it | 20:24 |
| fenn | oh, that sucks | 20:24 |
| kanzure | a study of spelling errors (1928) http://www.jstor.org/pss/20257679 but seems to be just distributions and statistis | 20:24 |
| kanzure | *statistics | 20:24 |
| kanzure | re: google url occlusion for a .pdf i nabbed a few seconds ago, example: | 20:25 |
| kanzure | etd.ohiolink.edu/send-pdf.cgi/Nolan%20Susan%20K.pdf?... | 20:25 |
| fenn | that's mostly all i'm after | 20:25 |
| fenn | "what's the likelihood they meant to type this vs if it was a typo of some other known dictionary of words' | 20:25 |
| fenn | except formulated as a distance instead of a probability | 20:26 |
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| kanzure | yeah but the study looked like it was just more like "what do people commonly use in spelling errors" not any sort of scoring function of likely targetted words | 20:26 |
| fenn | also it's about people not knowing the correct spelling, whereas i'm after fingers mashing the wrong button | 20:26 |
| kanzure | ok well this shouldn't be hard actually.. grep the logs for *blah | 20:27 |
| kanzure | and then you have your training set | 20:27 |
| fenn | you only need two strings, the input string and the string you're comparing to | 20:28 |
| fenn | you also need a big corpus of statistics that describe the likelihood of various kinds of typos | 20:28 |
| fenn | so you'd have the typoed words and the corrected word side by side (known typo/known good) | 20:29 |
| fenn | then train something on that to figure out the parameters | 20:29 |
| fenn | or if that's too hard just enter the parameters by hand, like 'transposition a-s: likelihood 0.029%' | 20:30 |
| kanzure | klafka: isn't this like what you do all day? | 20:30 |
| kanzure | except for nucleotides? heh | 20:30 |
| fenn | yeah pretty much | 20:31 |
| kanzure | *anyway* | 20:32 |
| kanzure | back to the meetlog :P | 20:32 |
| kanzure | i've been meaning to systematically import all of the igem team members | 20:32 |
| kanzure | it turns out that there's a pretty big diybio-singapore group for instance.. they did an igem team one year | 20:33 |
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| kanzure | http://designfiles.org/~bryan/meetlog/meetlog.txt updated | 20:34 |
| kanzure | minus some stuff from today | 20:34 |
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| kanzure | i can't help but laugh at the fist-holding-a-phone graphic on twilio.com .. | 21:10 |
| kanzure | someone wants to interview me about fda regulations and personalized medicine and, in particular, diagnostic testing services like 23andme | 21:19 |
| kanzure | any ideas on what i should say/push? :/ | 21:19 |
| ybit2 | fuck fds regulations | 21:26 |
| ybit2 | fda* | 21:26 |
| ybit2 | i wouldn't say it like that | 21:26 |
| * ybit2 sleeps | 21:26 | |
| kanzure | "just apply an appropriate amount of tact" | 21:30 |
| kanzure | wolfspraul: huh were you logging in via taiwan a few minutes ago? | 21:31 |
| wolfspraul | heh | 21:32 |
| wolfspraul | didn't know people track IP addresses... | 21:32 |
| wolfspraul | I am in Taiwan, yes | 21:32 |
| kanzure | well i saw this: ~wolfsprau@219-71-202-171.cable.dynamic.giga.net.tw | 21:32 |
| kanzure | the .tw is a dead give-away | 21:32 |
| wolfspraul | oh | 21:32 |
| wolfspraul | well then | 21:32 |
| wolfspraul | yes, back in good old Taipei | 21:32 |
| wolfspraul | at the end of my world tour, if you want to know it all | 21:33 |
| kanzure | actually, sure | 21:33 |
| wolfspraul | China -> Colombia -> Argentina -> USA -> Taiwan | 21:33 |
| kanzure | (but i might fall asleep- i'm really tired right now.. but i do want to hear!) | 21:33 |
| wolfspraul | in a few days, back home to good old China! :-) | 21:33 |
| kanzure | is michel bauwens still in taipei? | 21:33 |
| wolfspraul | never heard of him | 21:33 |
| kanzure | oh, he runs p2pfoundation.net | 21:34 |
| kanzure | he's a bit of a social connector for "strange p2p copyleft things" | 21:34 |
| kanzure | also did you see the articles today about open source software development in china? | 21:35 |
| kanzure | http://linux.slashdot.org/story/10/07/23/1949259/Open-Source-Participation-Gains-Support-In-China?art_pos=8 | 21:35 |
| kanzure | pdf: http://assets.en.oreilly.com/1/event/12/Open%20Source%20in%20China%20Presentation%201.pdf | 21:35 |
| kanzure | chinese repo: http://code.taobao.org/ | 21:35 |
| kanzure | was wondering if you had insights or thoughts on this | 21:35 |
| wolfspraul | I can't even motivate myself to click on these links, sorry | 21:35 |
| kanzure | well basically it's tim o'reilly, bruce perens etc. talking about recent progress in engaging china with open source software development | 21:35 |
| wolfspraul | ah, the lobbyists | 21:36 |
| kanzure | various cultural issues (plain ol' communications stuff) | 21:36 |
| wolfspraul | yes I think their business is growing in China | 21:36 |
| JayDugger | kanzure: the FDA kills via a surplus of good intentions. Thalidomide will need counter-arguments. | 21:50 |
| JayDugger | by analogy: imagine someone saying "but what about TMI or waste" when discussing atomic power. | 21:50 |
| JayDugger | You might also try the "my body, my choice" angle, which serves abortion rights/family planners/etc. | 21:52 |
| JayDugger | Also: prepare for the "would you really want to know bad news" and "what about privacy" arguments. | 21:53 |
| JayDugger | My counter-arguments for those aren't good. | 21:53 |
| JayDugger | Ignorance isn't bliss, it's cowardice. | 21:54 |
| mheld | hey y'all | 21:54 |
| mheld | what are some cool open source projects that I could work on? | 21:54 |
| JayDugger | What about privacy? You can't help shedding DNA and soon enough people can do it at home. | 21:54 |
| JayDugger | Then segue into DIYbio. | 21:55 |
| JayDugger | Hi, mheld. | 21:55 |
| JayDugger | What interests and abilities do you have? | 21:55 |
| mheld | hey JayDugger | 21:55 |
| mheld | interests -> distributed computation, neuroscience, databases, systems | 21:55 |
| mheld | abilities -> I know a few things | 21:56 |
| mheld | and I can curl my tongue | 21:56 |
| JayDugger | I can't make too many good suggestions for tongue work, but I'd personally like an Android app that worked as a chording keyboard for my computer. | 21:57 |
| mheld | chording keyboard, as in emacs key chords? | 21:57 |
| JayDugger | Ah, no, wait. | 21:57 |
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| JayDugger | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chorded_keyboard | 21:58 |
| JayDugger | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keyer | 21:58 |
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| mheld | hmm | 22:00 |
| JayDugger | I admit: of personal interest. | 22:07 |
| mheld | heh | 22:13 |
| mheld | that'd be cool | 22:13 |
| mheld | I work at a startup -> getzazu.com | 22:13 |
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| JayDugger | mheld: Oh? I have that beta | 22:37 |
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