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| JayDugger | Good morning, Kanzure. | 06:21 |
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| kanzure | uh.. blender tutorial on modeling a bearing :/ http://www.rab3d.com/tutorial.html | 06:22 |
| kanzure | i guess they wanted to use the bearing in a non-engineering context :P | 06:22 |
| JayDugger | In Blender? | 06:22 |
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| kanzure | yes in blender | 06:29 |
| JayDugger | How odd. | 06:30 |
| kanzure | "If your intent is to hide what you're doing from your LAN/ISP, there is a snag with Firefox. It will leak DNS requests locally unless you go to about:config and set "network.proxy.socks_remote_dns" to "true"" <-- strange | 06:31 |
| JayDugger | Okay...so what does that parameter do? | 06:32 |
| JayDugger | I get the idea of a DNS request, but what does the verb "leak" mean in this context? | 06:33 |
| augur | hello h-plus-onauts | 06:34 |
| JayDugger | Hello, augur. | 06:34 |
| augur | anyone remember The Brain on KurzweilAI.net? | 06:34 |
| JayDugger | Yes. | 06:34 |
| augur | shame its gone, ey? | 06:35 |
| JayDugger | http://www.thebrain.com/ | 06:35 |
| augur | the program is available, sure | 06:35 |
| augur | but i mean Kurzweil's Brain | 06:35 |
| JayDugger | Oh, the site index? | 06:35 |
| augur | i suppose you could use it like that | 06:35 |
| kanzure | "as any ol' nekbeard will tell you, you suck." | 06:36 |
| JayDugger | Eh? | 06:36 |
| augur | well, ever since Kurzweil's Brain went dark, ive been looking for a way to get it back | 06:36 |
| kanzure | i think that neckbeard joke only makes sense if i say something about linux afterwards | 06:36 |
| JayDugger | Nope. Still opaque. | 06:37 |
| augur | so, JayDugger, ive completed that mission this morning. | 06:37 |
| kanzure | augur: can you show me what you're talking about? maybe linking to web.archive.org? | 06:37 |
| augur | kanzure: http://betty.kurzweilai.net/brain/frame.html?startThought=Artificial%20Intelligence%20(AI) | 06:37 |
| JayDugger | I've had ample coffee today, so not on my end. | 06:37 |
| augur | the java app is still operational | 06:37 |
| augur | but the links are pointed to the wrong place | 06:37 |
| augur | they ned to hit the subdomain betty not www | 06:37 |
| augur | but the java source file hasnt been updated | 06:37 |
| augur | i could actually tell you precisely the change that needs to be made for it to work again, too | 06:39 |
| augur | but thats ok, because i have an archive of it now :) | 06:39 |
| JayDugger | Nice bit of software archeology, augur. | 06:40 |
| augur | :) | 06:41 |
| augur | http://wellnowwhat.net/brain_archive/ai_entry.html | 06:41 |
| augur | incase you want to actually navigate it | 06:42 |
| kanzure | augur: you could just modify the bytecode i guess | 06:42 |
| augur | i tried that | 06:42 |
| kanzure | unless they are signed? | 06:42 |
| augur | but i cant run the applet locally | 06:42 |
| kanzure | why not? | 06:42 |
| augur | something with java permissions | 06:42 |
| augur | it cant open local files or whatever | 06:42 |
| kanzure | you could try embedding it in a .html file locally i guess | 06:42 |
| augur | i did that | 06:42 |
| kanzure | oh. hrm. | 06:42 |
| augur | yeah | 06:42 |
| augur | if i could get it to work, i would stick it up on the archive in place of what i have | 06:43 |
| augur | but i think this way is probably better, since it doesnt require java | 06:43 |
| augur | i emailed the new site's webmaster and info peeps | 06:45 |
| augur | and i posted on the new forums | 06:45 |
| augur | nothing | 06:45 |
| augur | so i figured, fuck it. | 06:45 |
| augur | its mine now. | 06:45 |
| JayDugger | Heh...if Bezos, Bigelow, Musk, and Rutan can pick where NASA left off, you can do the same. :) | 06:46 |
| augur | well, im technically violating copyright | 06:47 |
| JayDugger | Yup. You'll eat hot coals in hell for that. | 06:47 |
| augur | ;) | 06:47 |
| augur | its such a shame that they got rid of it from the main site tho | 06:48 |
| augur | its such a cool little organization of ideas and information | 06:49 |
| augur | i was reminded of it i think by way of james burke earlier | 06:49 |
| augur | oh but the trouble i went through to get this thing working | 06:49 |
| augur | i eventually found the database file, right | 06:49 |
| augur | but it was almost entirely garbage | 06:50 |
| augur | with the exception of some readable URLs and stuff here and there | 06:50 |
| kanzure | what's the database format? | 06:50 |
| augur | i was going to try and manually decode it, playing cryptosleuth but | 06:50 |
| augur | the db format is unknown | 06:50 |
| kanzure | did you try running it through 'file'? | 06:51 |
| augur | the file is .jbc | 06:51 |
| augur | no, whats file | 06:51 |
| kanzure | 'file' is a magic little utility on linux that tries to figure out filetypes for you | 06:51 |
| augur | eventually what i did was i inspected the java source and re-engineered the program's db loader | 06:51 |
| augur | once i got that pulled apart, and once i identified the items that were the various parts of the organization, it was simple enough to reencode the DB in a more readily processable file | 06:52 |
| augur | this case, as a text representation of a ruby hash object, indexing the db by article id, title, and url | 06:53 |
| kanzure | this is all lame, can't you just drop links? | 06:53 |
| kanzure | like to the actual .jbc file | 06:53 |
| augur | if you want | 06:53 |
| augur | im just recounting my travails | 06:53 |
| augur | http://wellnowwhat.net/transfers/garbage | 06:54 |
| kanzure | huh? i thought we were talking about kurzweilai.net | 06:54 |
| augur | you cant find it directly on the kurzweilai.net site | 06:54 |
| kanzure | yes but surely the file is hosted there | 06:54 |
| augur | you'd have to download the zipped version of the file | 06:54 |
| augur | then unzip it | 06:55 |
| augur | the result is that | 06:55 |
| augur | so here it is raw | 06:55 |
| kanzure | um.. | 06:55 |
| augur | um what | 06:56 |
| kanzure | we can handle zip files :) | 06:56 |
| kanzure | so don't worry.. just give the actual links | 06:56 |
| augur | im not going to go try to find a zipped version of the file that i just gave you | 06:56 |
| augur | its the same thing | 06:56 |
| kanzure | uhuh | 06:57 |
| JayDugger | Time to run errands; good morning, all. | 06:57 |
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| augur | you're an odd one, kanzure | 06:57 |
| kanzure | and you could be making shit up | 06:57 |
| augur | .. | 06:57 |
| augur | im.. making up that this is the data file from kurzweilai.net? | 06:58 |
| kanzure | it's just one link, it's not that hard | 06:58 |
| kanzure | well, maybe more than one i guess | 06:58 |
| augur | and magically i recreated the whole structure of their database? | 06:58 |
| kanzure | you could be claiming it is their database | 06:58 |
| augur | what would the purpose of that be, exactly? | 06:58 |
| kanzure | when you say that you have a file you found on their servers, you usually should drop the link | 06:58 |
| kanzure | to their server, not yours :P | 06:59 |
| augur | here: http://betty.kurzweilai.net/brain/kain_www.zip | 06:59 |
| * kanzure looks | 06:59 | |
| augur | you're a weirdo | 06:59 |
| kanzure | "natrificial" eh? | 07:00 |
| Utopiah | hmmm brainzzz | 07:00 |
| augur | ask the Brain people | 07:00 |
| augur | http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=NATRIFICIAL&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 | 07:01 |
| kanzure | and the subdomain that works is betty, not www | 07:01 |
| augur | i know that | 07:02 |
| augur | they archived the whole website to the betty subdomain | 07:02 |
| augur | as i said a long time ago | 07:02 |
| augur | the problem is that the links in the db file (which you can plainly see) are pointing to the www subdomain | 07:02 |
| kanzure | augur: that was more like a question, sorry | 07:02 |
| kanzure | they have a weird redirect thing going on.. http://betty.kurzweilai.net/brain/frame.html?main=/brain/html/case_based_reasoning_entry.html? | 07:02 |
| augur | yes | 07:03 |
| kanzure | and the frame redireted version doesn't seem to display the content | 07:03 |
| augur | yes | 07:03 |
| kanzure | *redirected | 07:03 |
| augur | the frame itself forces you to view the whole Brain UI | 07:03 |
| kanzure | but the non-redirected-version seems to be ok | 07:03 |
| kanzure | anyway, /that's/ weird | 07:03 |
| kanzure | ah | 07:03 |
| kanzure | well frames are generally fishy anyway :P | 07:03 |
| augur | but the brain UI isnt working because its using urls from the DB file | 07:03 |
| augur | and the DB file has all www subdomains not betty | 07:03 |
| augur | because they didnt update its URLs | 07:03 |
| kanzure | and you don't actually care about the java ui stuff right? | 07:04 |
| augur | well, i'd like to have it, but its less important than the actual content | 07:04 |
| augur | if i wanted, i could recreate the UI in javascript | 07:04 |
| augur | using canvas | 07:04 |
| augur | its simple enough | 07:04 |
| kanzure | k.. if you wanted to get really ridiculously crazy you could put something in /etc/hosts for betty.kurzweilai.net and write a small proxy server that (importantly) serves up a modified version of the .zip with correct urls | 07:05 |
| augur | for my computer, sure | 07:05 |
| augur | but not for everyone! | 07:05 |
| kanzure | also for some reason i just assumed you're using linux or something like it | 07:05 |
| augur | mac | 07:06 |
| augur | so its got all the same things | 07:06 |
| kanzure | osx? | 07:06 |
| kanzure | ok | 07:06 |
| augur | yes | 07:06 |
| augur | the html UI is good enough tho | 07:06 |
| augur | probably better, overall | 07:07 |
| augur | because it doesnt require java or javascript | 07:07 |
| augur | its just hardcoded html | 07:07 |
| kanzure | and this is a full scrape? http://wellnowwhat.net/brain_archive/ai_entry.html | 07:07 |
| augur | its a full scrape of the Brian entries | 07:07 |
| augur | with appropriate modifications to make it work | 07:07 |
| kanzure | oops i guess i mean http://wellnowwhat.net/brain_archive/ | 07:08 |
| kanzure | ok | 07:08 |
| kanzure | cool :) | 07:08 |
| augur | links inside the articles all direct to the betty site | 07:08 |
| augur | so they all work appropriately | 07:08 |
| augur | including the sponsor links | 07:08 |
| augur | :P | 07:08 |
| augur | im just really glad to have this thing again | 07:12 |
| augur | its what got me into linguistics, in a way | 07:12 |
| kanzure | story time! | 07:13 |
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| kanzure | oh i guess not | 07:13 |
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| augur | story huh | 07:15 |
| augur | you wants a story? | 07:15 |
| * kanzure nods | 07:15 | |
| augur | of me and linguistics? | 07:15 |
| kanzure | no, of you and kurzweilai.net "the brain" and linguistics :P | 07:16 |
| augur | :p | 07:16 |
| kanzure | jrayhawk: hey maybe i'm just being stoopid early in the morning, but if i 'git clone git://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki' shouldn't i be able to push without doing anything special? | 07:16 |
| augur | well basically when i was in my last year at community college i would spend quite a bit of my free time in the library browsing KAI.net | 07:16 |
| augur | reading about mind and AI and stumbling randomly across parts about natural language | 07:18 |
| augur | so i read more, about chomsky, etc | 07:18 |
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| augur | eventually found language log | 07:18 |
| augur | because fascinated by the formal structure of language | 07:18 |
| augur | within a year i was a linguistics major | 07:18 |
| augur | that 2006-2007 | 07:19 |
| kanzure | oh which reminds me.. i should have brought this up when we were talking about grammars last time | 07:21 |
| kanzure | one of my interests in the skdb project is automatic instruction generation | 07:21 |
| kanzure | which, as you can imagine, involves a lot of natural language generators | 07:21 |
| kanzure | http://designfiles.org/papers/instructions/ | 07:21 |
| kanzure | which has peculiar implications.. like having virtual agents to verify instructions (er, this is pre-language-generated stage of course) | 07:22 |
| kanzure | http://designfiles.org/papers/instructions/Virtual%20humans%20for%20validating%20maintenance%20procedures.pdf.1.png | 07:22 |
| augur | if you want a local copy, btw | 07:22 |
| augur | http://www.wellnowwhat.net/brain_archive/brain_archive.zip | 07:22 |
| kanzure | ok here's a better diagram | 07:22 |
| kanzure | http://designfiles.org/papers/instructions/Generating%20effective%20natural%20language%20instructions%20based%20on%20agent%20expertise.pdf.fig518.png | 07:22 |
| kanzure | thanks for brain_archive.zip :) | 07:23 |
| augur | mind you, it wont load the external files offline | 07:23 |
| augur | so all the GOOD parts of the site wont be accessible | 07:23 |
| augur | unless you scrape those as well | 07:23 |
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| augur | damn limechat | 07:25 |
| kanzure | augur: http://designfiles.org/papers/instructions/Generating%20effective%20natural%20language%20instructions%20based%20on%20agent%20expertise.pdf.fig518.png | 07:27 |
| kanzure | this isn't a good example of generating the sentences from an 'instruction object' but presumably it gets the point across | 07:27 |
| augur | what is this now? | 07:28 |
| kanzure | dunno if you saw the other log stuff from a few minutes ago | 07:28 |
| kanzure | but basically i had forgotten your interest in grammars and so on | 07:29 |
| kanzure | and i had forgot that i was doing some natural language generation (for instruction generation) before | 07:29 |
| kanzure | and i figured it might be something that tickles your curiosity | 07:29 |
| augur | oic | 07:30 |
| augur | not /exactly/ natural language generation tho is it | 07:31 |
| kanzure | i'd be happy to learn about the differences | 07:31 |
| augur | i mean, you're stringing together pre-existing sentences into sequences of instructions | 07:31 |
| kanzure | actually | 07:31 |
| kanzure | there are two different things going on here | 07:31 |
| augur | ok | 07:31 |
| kanzure | (1) a project where you have pre-written instructions that are just "templated" with $VARIABLES | 07:31 |
| kanzure | (2) a project where you do not have anything pre-written, just some sort of data structure | 07:32 |
| kanzure | #1 doesn't seem like a difficult linguistic problem- it's just copy-pasta of different templates to string together long lists of lines | 07:32 |
| * augur dances | 07:38 | |
| * AJollyLife dances too! | 07:40 | |
| augur | :) | 07:42 |
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| Utopiah | (for whoever discussed about neurons axons/dentrites directionnality https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Fractional_anisotropy ) | 07:48 |
| augur | that was me | 07:48 |
| augur | whats this got to do with it | 07:48 |
| Utopiah | used in DTI to check in which "direction" the "flow" is going | 07:49 |
| Utopiah | (was in http://www.plosone.org/article/info:doi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0011591 ) | 07:49 |
| augur | ok | 07:49 |
| kanzure | i guess the concept of instruction generation was a flop with you :p | 07:50 |
| Utopiah | ? | 07:50 |
| kanzure | Utopiah: with augur, not you heh | 07:50 |
| augur | kanzure: instruction generation? | 07:51 |
| augur | you mean your thing? | 07:51 |
| augur | well i didnt see how it went beyond just mixing together pre-defined sentences | 07:51 |
| Utopiah | ok | 07:51 |
| * Utopiah suddently wonders if fractional anisotropy is used in dataflow programming studies... | 07:52 | |
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| eridu | augur: <kanzure> (2) a project where you do not have anything pre-written, just some sort of data structure | 07:59 |
| augur | right | 07:59 |
| augur | but i dont see how that connects up with generated instructions | 07:59 |
| eridu | I'm not sure what "some sort of data structure" is | 07:59 |
| eridu | but presumably there's a programmatic way of conceptualizing the instructions, and it needs to be converted to natural language | 08:00 |
| augur | well if there is he should explain more x3 | 08:00 |
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| klafka | kanzure i don' t work much on genomics stuff | 08:05 |
| augur | well thats random | 08:06 |
| augur | kanzure: i don't work much on genomics stuff either. | 08:06 |
| augur | just fyi | 08:06 |
| klafka | it was from above | 08:07 |
| augur | oic | 08:08 |
| augur | long ways above tho ey | 08:09 |
| kanzure | augur: yeah we're not known for short backlogs in here :) | 08:27 |
| kanzure | jrayhawk: git push git+ssh://bryan@diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki doesn't seem to do the trick | 08:27 |
| kanzure | ok nevermind i should just git remote add that | 08:28 |
| kanzure | but that didn't help. hrm. | 08:28 |
| kanzure | aha git push bryan@diyhpl.us:/srv/git/diyhpluswiki.git .. finally :) | 08:29 |
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| kanzure | not that it's at a usable state yet or anything but.. http://diyhpl.us/wiki/cadfaq | 08:33 |
| kanzure | klafka: i was sorta joking, the typo matching problem is trivial in comparison to most bioinformatics and alignment problems | 08:34 |
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| kanzure | augur: the "internal data structure" that i want to convert into some sort of written english instructions doesn't exist yet :( | 08:34 |
| augur | oh i see | 08:34 |
| augur | well | 08:34 |
| augur | good luck with that x3 | 08:34 |
| kanzure | what i want is some way of specifying end states or goals (like machining a part a certain way, or moving an object to a certain position) and then search through tools and inventory to construct a mapping that will do that, then loop over the action sequence and turn it into text | 08:38 |
| kanzure | but this is sorta a case where "the render-into-text informs the structure of the prior steps and the prior programming stuff informs the text rendering" loop thinger | 08:39 |
| kanzure | (er, from a design/architecture standpoint) | 08:39 |
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| Alystair | anyone at the lab? Need someone to log me out from youtube on the touch panel :/ | 08:56 |
| Alystair | er | 09:00 |
| Alystair | oops wrong window | 09:00 |
| augur | Alystair: im at the lab! | 09:10 |
| augur | no im not im just kidding | 09:10 |
| augur | http://www.ted.com/talks/tan_le_a_headset_that_reads_your_brainwaves.html | 09:19 |
| augur | do want | 09:20 |
| augur | do want nao | 09:20 |
| augur | anyone built a TMS device ever? | 09:29 |
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| kanzure | augur: http://transcenmentalism.org/OpenStim/ | 09:37 |
| kanzure | http://open-rtms.sf.net/ but these are all defunct | 09:37 |
| kanzure | lots of papers are here: http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/open-rtms/ | 09:38 |
| kanzure | apparently i wrote an email about this last year? http://lists.puremagic.com/pipermail/robotgroup/2009-January/011286.html | 09:38 |
| kanzure | well this is weird.. | 09:45 |
| kanzure | http://www.spyderware.nl/wiki/ | 09:45 |
| kanzure | http://www.spyderware.nl/docs/Spyder-3Dtutorials.doc | 09:45 |
| kanzure | it seems to be a python library for parametric objects that are then fed into blender (no longer parameterized) | 09:46 |
| kanzure | here is a similar idea to this weird blender-spyder-thing: http://www.blendernation.com/parametric-objects-in-blender-2/#comment-90779 | 09:51 |
| kanzure | http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~sjdv1982/spyder-framework/spyder-blender/annotate/head:/blender.py | 09:56 |
| kanzure | aw i got a shout-out http://www.soniaarrison.com/blog/2010/07/23/doctor-of-the-future-in-developing-countries/ well, a hat tip | 09:57 |
| kanzure | http://sciencepark.cc/2010/07/23/when-biotech-moves-into-the-basement-part-2-essay-remix/ | 09:58 |
| kanzure | http://www.scienceforums.net/topic/35619-genetic-manipulation-kit-do-it-yourself/ | 09:58 |
| kanzure | rfus tried to keep the blendercad peeps at bay here: http://blenderartists.org/forum/archive/index.php/t-43670.html a good try (search for rfus' post) | 10:00 |
| kanzure | this looks like goerge whitesides' website for "diagnostics for all" (paper-based microfluidics) | 10:04 |
| kanzure | http://www.dfa.org/about/approach.html | 10:04 |
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| kanzure | wow what?? | 10:18 |
| kanzure | "For example, DFA is a designated subcontractor in a 5-year grant from the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation awarded to Harvard University." | 10:18 |
| kanzure | "DFA also holds the exclusive license to diagnostic technologies relevant to resource-poor settings that has been developed in the Harvard University laboratories of George Whitesides. We intend to generate revenue through licensing of this technology for use in the developed world to supplement our philanthropic support." | 10:18 |
| kanzure | that was from http://www.dfa.org/resources/faqs.html | 10:18 |
| genehacker | design for assembly? | 10:19 |
| kanzure | "diagnostics for all" | 10:20 |
| kanzure | it's george whitesides commercializing his paper-based microfluidic devices | 10:20 |
| genehacker | "Inaba has made the German engineering slogan Weniger Teile, which means "fewer parts," Fanuc's slogan; machines with fewer parts are cheaper to produce and easier for automatons to assemble." | 10:20 |
| genehacker | http://www.fundinguniverse.com/company-histories/Fanuc-Ltd-Company-History.html | 10:20 |
| genehacker | neat | 10:20 |
| genehacker | but you can't compute with them very fast! | 10:21 |
| kanzure | someone should get a headstart on the cellphone-image-based analysis of these paper-based microfluidic diagnostics | 10:21 |
| kanzure | most of these people he's targetting just have a cell phone | 10:21 |
| genehacker | old ones too | 10:22 |
| kanzure | take a picture of it, run it through the analysis engine, get out some diagnosis information | 10:22 |
| genehacker | that probably don't have much computing power | 10:22 |
| kanzure | yeah so the pics are going to be uploaded to some server | 10:22 |
| genehacker | which brings up a problem | 10:22 |
| genehacker | how do you make sure the lighting conditions are right? | 10:23 |
| genehacker | or in some cases the user doesn't interfere with the results either intentionally or unintentionally? | 10:23 |
| kanzure | lighting conditions can be fixed with shadows (like from your body) | 10:25 |
| kanzure | interfering with the results intentionally doesn't matter much.. it's just information.. and if you know it's bad info then you know it's bad info | 10:25 |
| genehacker | for some health care programs getting tests that are hard to interefere with could be important | 10:26 |
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| kanzure | if you were concerned about that you wouldn't have them individually test themselves, i think | 10:27 |
| genehacker | IE results are tied to the serial number on the chip | 10:27 |
| genehacker | for certain applications self-testing might be necessary | 10:27 |
| genehacker | anyway I wonder how useful a large z80 level microfluidic computer would be | 10:29 |
| genehacker | the chip would be huge, about a 4 centimeter on it's side square | 10:30 |
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| kanzure | does anyone know the oldest living, most prolific, and still studying chemist? | 11:04 |
| kanzure | i think Paul von Ragué Schleyer is in the running.. (born 1930) | 11:05 |
| kanzure | *chemistry | 11:05 |
| kanzure | http://web.archive.org/web/20070707090648/http://pcb4122.univ-lemans.fr/1000chimistes.html | 11:06 |
| ENKI-][ | do watson and crick count as chemists? i think one of them is still alive | 11:07 |
| ENKI-][ | the guy who invented mdma died pretty recently. he's certainly prolific | 11:08 |
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| jrayhawk | git-daemon doesn't really have an authentication or authorization layer I can work with, so it'd be slightly foolhardy. | 11:33 |
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| jrayhawk | Slightly foolhardy to make git:// URLs writable. | 11:33 |
| jrayhawk | That said, there are wacky hooks that will do things like check to see if the objects are signed and keep you from updating any refs if it isn't the right signature. | 11:35 |
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| jrayhawk | and any such objects can be git-pruned away on a cron job or something. | 11:37 |
| kanzure | thanks | 11:43 |
| jrayhawk | I haven't set that up, though. | 11:43 |
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| mheld | any cool papers I should read about computational intelligence? | 11:59 |
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| jrayhawk | I guess I could do the heavyweight approach of a per-project-git-daemon-inside-ssl-tunnel-managed-by-inetd with client verification. That'd put a hard limit of around 65k projects I could host on one machine. | 12:09 |
| jrayhawk | But fundamentally SSH is just less goofy. | 12:09 |
| ENKI-][ | well, up until you use sshfs ;-) | 12:16 |
| ENKI-][ | i <3 sshfs, but it's quite unwieldy | 12:17 |
| Alystair | http://www.netscrap.com/netscrap_detail.cfm?scrap_id=73 <- spooky goodness about GI created circuits | 12:23 |
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| kanzure | Ian_Daniher: you should consider doing ethernet for the networking of your incubator | 16:56 |
| kanzure | nobody scales usb hub infrastructure for a lab | 16:56 |
| Ian_Daniher | this is true | 16:56 |
| Ian_Daniher | so my catch-all solution here | 16:56 |
| Ian_Daniher | is to use an elinux device like the seagate dockstar | 16:56 |
| Ian_Daniher | openwrt, 3x USB, gig ethernet, for under $50. | 16:57 |
| Ian_Daniher | which begs the question, is stand-alone capability worth $50? | 16:57 |
| Ian_Daniher | well, super-stand-alone. | 16:57 |
| Ian_Daniher | it already will have a twist-knob / 7-segment UI | 16:58 |
| Ian_Daniher | which is solid for stand-alone opperation | 16:58 |
| Ian_Daniher | what do you think? | 16:59 |
| Ian_Daniher | a nice webUI about doubles the price, but offers a handful of openwrt/linux/gige USB ports in addition | 17:00 |
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| splicer_ | If you calculate with the DIY:er having a linux machine in the lab, maybe you can do away with ethernet, buttons and displays? | 17:18 |
| Ian_Daniher | splicer_: generally my thoughts, yes. | 17:19 |
| Ian_Daniher | splicer_: kanzure is a fan of extensible solutions; ethernet is, usb isn't. | 17:19 |
| Ian_Daniher | splicer_: understandable, but I'm not sure if it makes sense for a DIY'er | 17:20 |
| Ian_Daniher | splicer_: I'm keeping the button & display approach though - while it's likely that the DIYer has an appropriate machine, depending upon that seems silly. | 17:20 |
| kanzure | Ian_Daniher: well you don't have to have a "nice" web ui | 17:21 |
| kanzure | just a RESTful interface that something else can use | 17:21 |
| splicer_ | Ian_Daniher: On the buttons & display, you're probably right. | 17:21 |
| kanzure | Ian_Daniher: it occurs to me that there might be something over rs232 that could work, but i don't know about any particular standards (on the same "level" of abstraction as REST) exist for com stuff | 17:22 |
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| Ian_Daniher | kanzure: you suggest a standardized interface, rather than a merely open one? | 17:27 |
| kanzure | no no not an interface, i was talking about a protocol thinger | 17:28 |
| kanzure | nevermind- what i just said wasn't important :P | 17:28 |
| Ian_Daniher | kanzure: lol, okay. | 17:28 |
| Ian_Daniher | kanzure: I appear to use the term interface incorrectly. | 17:29 |
| Ian_Daniher | kanzure: you want a standardized communication protocol, rather than merely an open-and-well-documented one? | 17:29 |
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| kanzure | hi afarris01 | 18:46 |
| afarris01 | howdy | 18:46 |
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| kristianpaul | kanzure: hello | 18:50 |
| kristianpaul | kanzure: had you got apt-get for stuff for the makerbot cupcake? | 18:52 |
| kanzure | yeah i have skdb packages for thingiverse objects | 18:53 |
| kanzure | but i haven't tested with a makerbot yet | 18:53 |
| kristianpaul | oh | 18:53 |
| kristianpaul | so you can update from thingiverse easilly? | 18:54 |
| kristianpaul | what formats are you supporting right now? | 18:54 |
| kanzure | http://designfiles.org/~bryan/thingiverse/thingiverse_packages/ | 19:03 |
| kanzure | now what i don't have are makerbot config files for skeinforge or anything like that | 19:03 |
| kanzure | and i haven't had anybody offer to test it with makerbot | 19:04 |
| kristianpaul | i can | 19:04 |
| kristianpaul | just pass the script i'll run :) | 19:04 |
| kristianpaul | but tomorrow i'm off bed now | 19:12 |
| kristianpaul | gn8 | 19:12 |
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| eridu | Skinny-dipping in blazing heat, skewered with acupuncture needles, as you laugh-and-cry, chomp on horseradish & masturbate | 21:47 |
| eridu | this will yield maximum endorphins | 21:48 |
| eridu | is there a DIY H+ way to do this twice a day? | 21:48 |
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| jrayhawk | That guy's onto something. | 22:35 |
| JayDugger | I suppose so, or at least on something. | 22:58 |
| afarris01 | lol | 23:04 |
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