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| bkero | ybit: hi | 00:07 |
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| bkero | I have a lot of logs | 00:07 |
| bkero | july of this year? | 00:08 |
| kanzure | logs got fucked up for a while when i had three gnushas | 00:17 |
| ybit | bkero: yes | 00:28 |
| ybit | jrayhawk's linkage seems to be just fine though | 00:29 |
| jrayhawk | maybe we should uniq those triple-entry logs | 00:32 |
| kanzure | oright | 00:35 |
| kanzure | from tudor: http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htlog/articles/20100814.aspx | 00:52 |
| kanzure | "the bottomless cargo container" | 00:53 |
| kanzure | "August 14, 2010: U.S. SOCOM (Special Operations Command) has adopted an old U.S. Army concept to create mobile workshops (MTCs or Mobile Technology Complex) that can fix exotic gear (which SOCOM has a lot of), modify their special gear, or even create something new. The MTC is a modified (with new some gear) version of the decade old U.S. Army MPH (Mobile Parts Hospital). " | 00:53 |
| kanzure | "The key to making this work was the availability of computer controlled machine tools, which can take a block of the proper metal, and machine it into the desired part. The computer controlled machine tools have been around for decades, but the big breakthrough was the development of CAD (Computer Assisted Design) software for PCs in the 1980s, which made the process of designing, and then fabricating, a part much faster." | 00:54 |
| kanzure | "The MPH has a high speed satellite data link, which enables it to obtain the CAD file for a part. Many CAD files are already stored in the MPH. Often, the MPH staff figure out a way to improve a part, based on the broken parts they see, and what the troops tell them." | 00:54 |
| kanzure | "There are four MPH systems in service, two of them in Afghanistan. A fourth is being built, at a cost of $1.5 million. In the last six years, MPHs have manufactured over 100,000 parts, on the spot." | 00:54 |
| kanzure | "This saves days, or weeks, that it would take to order the part from the manufacturer, and the MPH part is usually a lot cheaper (because the air freight and manufacturer mark ups to pay for maintaining the part in inventory). The next version of the MPH has a 3-D part builder, which uses metal dust and a laser to build a part." | 00:54 |
| kanzure | "SOCOM is building eight of their MTCs and sending all of them to Afghanistan, to see how effective they will be at improving the readiness of equipment, and the usefulness of being able to modify existing gear, and build new stuff on the spot. " | 00:54 |
| jrayhawk | I just cleaned 2010-07-27.log through 2010-08-02.log, leaving the old logs in badlogs/ | 01:04 |
| kanzure | yay | 01:04 |
| kanzure | thank you | 01:04 |
| kanzure | sleep mode! | 01:17 |
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| bkero | ybit: http://staff.osuosl.org/~bkero/#hplusroadmap.log | 02:02 |
| bkero | kanzure: I think that would be the only military job I would enjoy. | 02:03 |
| bkero | Fabricating new parts all the time | 02:03 |
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| Utopiah | anybody participated to the ASIM workshop? | 03:09 |
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| phryk | How do I survive the last three hours of work? | 04:29 |
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| phryk | If I don't die within 10 minutes I survived another workday. | 07:20 |
| Utopiah | you can do it! | 07:21 |
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| Utopiah | http://www.ge-ip.com/products/family/gpgpu | 07:31 |
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| kanzure | http://diybio.org/ looks different | 09:13 |
| kanzure | alright todd! :) | 09:35 |
| kanzure | "I know everyone on that CC list quite well, and they're good people." | 09:35 |
| kanzure | "A few notes..." | 09:35 |
| kanzure | "You do NOT want to get into the contracting negotiations by yourself. It is a soul-crushing process. Let them be the prime contractor. You should sub-contract at least one node below the Prime." | 09:36 |
| kanzure | "Moving money takes about 10 times as long as you think it's going to take." | 09:36 |
| kanzure | "I'd be happy to hop on the CC list as your advisor, and let you know if things are going in the wrong direction. I see those people fairly often, and am not afraid to yell at them for you." | 09:36 |
| kanzure | "Make them do the heavy lifting on the application, you should stay focused on the technology. They know how to do the application and contracting components." | 09:36 |
| kanzure | "You might have to fight a bit to maintain your intellectual property," | 09:36 |
| kanzure | "but it's doable. I've negotiated with this group before, and can help." | 09:36 |
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| kanzure | fenn: dave and i want to do a phone call with todd | 09:55 |
| kanzure | you want in? i'll probably do a transcript anyway so it's not like you'd miss anything | 09:56 |
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| Utopiah | http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2010/08/ray_kurzweil_does_not_understa.php (via archels) | 10:09 |
| kanzure | is this about the whole "genome explains the brain" crap? | 10:10 |
| Utopiah | yep | 10:10 |
| kanzure | "Kurzweil does not believe technological progress happens in leaps and bounds. He believes technological progress zooms down a wormhole and comes out in a different universe." | 10:18 |
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| kristianpaul | The owner of this group has banned you from this group. | 10:40 |
| kristianpaul | waht? | 10:40 |
| kanzure | kristianpaul: which group? | 10:40 |
| kristianpaul | open source manufacturing | 10:40 |
| kanzure | really | 10:40 |
| kanzure | uh | 10:40 |
| kanzure | let me fix that | 10:40 |
| kristianpaul | :( | 10:40 |
| kristianpaul | thanks ! | 10:40 |
| kanzure | what is your email address? | 10:41 |
| kanzure | paul@ | 10:41 |
| kristianpaul | yup | 10:42 |
| kanzure | k | 10:42 |
| kanzure | fixed.. but you might have to rejoin the group http://groups.google.com/group/openmanufacturing | 10:42 |
| kanzure | no idea how that happened | 10:42 |
| kristianpaul | :/ | 10:42 |
| kristianpaul | ok np | 10:42 |
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| fenn | no i hate phone calls.. btw what time is it in afghanistan? :P | 10:44 |
| kanzure | 10:14pm | 10:44 |
| fenn | CC list == email carbon copy ? | 10:45 |
| kanzure | fenn: you don't even like listening in? | 10:45 |
| kanzure | yes | 10:45 |
| kanzure | so, dave hasn't done DARPA before, but he thinks that whatever i do it should be a small team | 10:46 |
| kanzure | todd is suggesting i do sub-contracting for this other group (that jonathan kuniholm brought to my attention) | 10:46 |
| kanzure | another option is to partner with matt campbell or some other university peeps (like via joe rayhawk and his pdx.edu guys) | 10:47 |
| kanzure | so i'm really not sure what to do. the more people you add on to the project, the more you end up arguing about XML versus some shit like unicode | 10:47 |
| kanzure | (i.e. see our experiences in VOICED) | 10:47 |
| fenn | what's "this other group"? | 10:49 |
| kanzure | i forwarded you the emails i got from jonathan kuniholm so you should take a peak.. basically jon got word of this from some people putting together a team and said "gee this has bryan's name all over it" | 10:50 |
| kanzure | and todd says he knows these people (that jon got word from) | 10:50 |
| kanzure | todd is suggesting subcontractin for these people | 10:50 |
| fenn | right | 10:53 |
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| * fenn mumbles something about sleep deprivation | 11:11 | |
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| kanzure | -- | 11:18 |
| kanzure | heybryan.org (leibniz) is dead | 11:23 |
| kanzure | bash segfaults upon login | 11:23 |
| kanzure | and logging in via gdm doesn't work either.. | 11:24 |
| phryk | :D | 11:36 |
| phryk | there i am freshly on the body hacking ml | 11:36 |
| phryk | and who is the first guy i see posting? kanzure :D | 11:36 |
| fenn | is non-greedy matching possible with grep? | 11:37 |
| kanzure | -V? | 11:40 |
| phryk | that is version... | 11:40 |
| phryk | the small oreilly book on regexps only mentions greedy multipliers for shelltools (awk, grep, sed) | 11:41 |
| kanzure | er wait | 11:41 |
| phryk | mhh | 11:41 |
| kanzure | oh i was thinking -v.. which is "invert match", which isn't what you want anyway | 11:42 |
| phryk | -P may help, that is using perl-regexps, if you do a non greedy perl-regex with grep -P, it could work | 11:42 |
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| fenn | ah -P works, thanks. i thought i would have to install pcregrep | 11:42 |
| phryk | no prob | 11:43 |
| phryk | I'm going back to bed^^ | 11:43 |
| kanzure | you know fenn, if you travelled around like todd did you'd always have a usable excuse for tiredness :P | 11:52 |
| kanzure | but you'd probably never get anything done | 11:52 |
| fenn | at least i'd have fun | 11:54 |
| ybit | i'll give you some fun, come to alabama good sir :P | 12:10 |
| kanzure | new poll: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/humanityplusvote/surveys?id=2314773 | 12:11 |
| ybit | still can't view that | 12:11 |
| AJollyLife | phryk: heh, im on that list now :) | 12:11 |
| ybit | they most likely won't approve me either | 12:12 |
| kanzure | ybit: they are no longer approving new members | 12:14 |
| AJollyLife | kanzure: they are not? i was told i had to join. who runs the list, druid? | 12:15 |
| kanzure | AJollyLife: we're talking about something else (humanity+ elections) | 12:16 |
| AJollyLife | ahhh | 12:17 |
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| eridu | I like how everyone in the humanity+ election is white | 12:34 |
| Utopiah | that sounds a little bit racist | 12:35 |
| kanzure | eridu: there's been lots of nonwhities before :) | 12:35 |
| eridu | transhumanism is the radical idea that in the future, being rich and white will be even MORE awesome | 12:36 |
| Utopiah | and male | 12:36 |
| eridu | there is one womyn in the election | 12:37 |
| eridu | SO CLEARLY THE GOALS OF FEMINISM HAVE BEEN ACCOMPLISHED | 12:37 |
| kanzure | are you trolling? | 12:37 |
| eridu | ironically | 12:37 |
| * Utopiah votes yes on troll | 12:37 | |
| eridu | it's certainly true that in the future, being rich and white will be even more awesome, assuming that the current social hierarchies are not attacked | 12:37 |
| eridu | it's from picturesforsadchildren | 12:38 |
| eridu | which had a disappointingly anti-transhumanist rant maybe a quarter of the way into the current archive | 12:38 |
| eridu | I took the humanity+ election as an opportunity to comment on the state of the attack on current social hierarchies, which is overall negative | 12:39 |
| kanzure | Utopiah: sorry the board membesr didn't like the poll | 12:39 |
| kanzure | Utopiah: so you will have to vote again. | 12:39 |
| kanzure | hahah | 12:39 |
| kanzure | (your troll vote) | 12:39 |
| kanzure | next reprap version is named "huxley" | 12:42 |
| ybit | anyone know how to find where a document, found using google, was linked from? | 12:47 |
| any15615961 | what? | 12:47 |
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| kanzure | he wants google to put "linkedfrom:" back into action | 12:48 |
| katsmeow | o | 12:48 |
| ybit | ah, got it | 12:48 |
| jrayhawk | http://www.picturesforsadchildren.com/blog/startrek1.png | 12:50 |
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| kanzure | "Cost of DNA sequencing, another of his examples, is today at 0.000008(USD) per base pair [scienceblogs.com]. Fits the curve. " | 13:46 |
| kanzure | woops that's sequencing.. nevermind | 13:46 |
| kanzure | kurzweil getting slammed: http://science.slashdot.org/story/10/08/17/1536233/Ray-Kurzweil-Does-Not-Understand-the-Brain | 13:51 |
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| QuantumG | http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2010/08/ray_kurzweil_does_not_understa.php | 15:50 |
| QuantumG | yeah | 15:50 |
| kanzure | if i could /topic i would. | 15:51 |
| Utopiah | New olympic discipline: Kurzweil bashing. | 15:51 |
| kanzure | /topic "Kurzweil does not believe technological progress happens in leaps and bounds. He believes technological progress zooms down a wormhole and comes out in a different universe." - slashdot age mystic | 15:53 |
| kanzure | you know, add mckenna and leary to that and you have something rivaling fenn's bloomington theory | 15:55 |
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| kanzure | hi ferrouswheel | 15:56 |
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| QuantumG | uh huh.. I have mods on slashdot at the moment and there's nothing in the Kurzweil article comments that I'd wanna mod either up or down | 15:57 |
| kanzure | QuantumG: same here | 15:57 |
| kanzure | want to post and i'll mod you up? | 15:57 |
| QuantumG | nothing I'd like to post | 15:57 |
| kanzure | :P | 15:57 |
| kanzure | sometimes i upvote paul fernhout's crazy rantings just for the hell of it | 15:57 |
| QuantumG | my problem with Ray is that he often makes *factual* claims without references. | 15:58 |
| kanzure | i think one of the reasons he's achieved popularity is because people started hedging financial bets on the law of accelerating returns | 15:58 |
| QuantumG | having opinions is fine as far as I'm concerned, no matter how wild they are, but making factual claims should be backed up. | 15:58 |
| kanzure | and there's some number of people making returns in the tech industry or something | 15:58 |
| kanzure | nothing else can explain this as far as i can tell.. | 15:58 |
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| QuantumG | that and he says interesting stuff.. if you've never heard it before. | 15:59 |
| kanzure | sure | 15:59 |
| ferrouswheel | kanzure, hi | 15:59 |
| QuantumG | Franz Gayl was on The Space Show the other day | 15:59 |
| QuantumG | http://thespaceshow.com/detail.asp?q=1408 | 15:59 |
| QuantumG | the whole show is boring military space talk | 15:59 |
| QuantumG | but at the end he starts ranting about how excited he is that he's going to Singularity U | 16:00 |
| kanzure | ferrouswheel: can you remind me why i'm running for humanity+? | 16:00 |
| QuantumG | and literally gushes about Ray | 16:00 |
| kanzure | QuantumG: yeah, singularity u is basically a club | 16:00 |
| QuantumG | "discovering" post-humanism is a religious experience to many. | 16:00 |
| ferrouswheel | man, what a shitstorm the H+ elections have turn into... | 16:01 |
| ferrouswheel | kanzure, because you believe in transhumanism and it'll all work out right in the end? | 16:01 |
| kanzure | humanity+ is not about transhumanism as far as i can tell | 16:01 |
| kanzure | some people talk about it at conferences once in a while maybe :P | 16:02 |
| kanzure | so i was thinking i should step down and post an email asking them to remove me from this bullshit | 16:02 |
| kanzure | i mean, it's sort of the only respectable move to make | 16:02 |
| ferrouswheel | I can remove my vote for you if you if you're not really interested in it any more... | 16:03 |
| kanzure | :) we'll see how it goes. | 16:03 |
| ferrouswheel | My only concern is people withdrawing will cause more ruckus, and as much as I think things are shitty right now I do want Humanity+ to flourish. | 16:04 |
| kanzure | why this organization in particular. | 16:04 |
| kanzure | why not something that doesn't suck | 16:04 |
| kanzure | haha you removed your vote quickly | 16:04 |
| ferrouswheel | ? I haven't touched it since an hour earlier... | 16:05 |
| kanzure | oh, well, someone did | 16:05 |
| ferrouswheel | Have you got a script polling the results? | 16:05 |
| kanzure | yes | 16:05 |
| kanzure | that's how i have all this data | 16:05 |
| ferrouswheel | now you need live graphs! | 16:07 |
| kanzure | agreed | 16:07 |
| ferrouswheel | and trend analysis, and then a futures market | 16:08 |
| kanzure | there was this really beautiful graphing system i saw once where it had javascript-based fluid graphs | 16:08 |
| * ferrouswheel sometimes gets carried away | 16:08 | |
| kanzure | where you could move a slider with respect to time and see different colors/dots move up and down on the graphs (like a race) | 16:08 |
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| fenn | phones are ringing off the hook over here in the election campaign call center | 16:33 |
| fenn | "up and to the right" etc etc | 16:33 |
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| JayDugger | Good afternoon--evening, rather, everyone. | 17:14 |
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| jrayhawk | i am not sure i want to see someone literally gush about kurzweil | 17:25 |
| jrayhawk | it sounds disgusting | 17:26 |
| JayDugger | Eh? | 17:26 |
| JayDugger | Do you mean the new movie? | 17:26 |
| JayDugger | It might make a good popular introduction to transhumanist ideas. | 17:30 |
| JayDugger | The vehicleforge.mil BAA is quite a lot to chew on. | 17:36 |
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| JayDugger | For those interested, I'll mark up a copy of the BAA on Google Docs. | 17:51 |
| JayDugger | https://docs.google.com/document/edit?id=1xb-ttVVyvZJ6TAA9W1-ZlCkZ0MutD-ORL9KxtRQkqMI&hl=en&authkey=CIWIhp4G | 17:51 |
| fenn | not public doc | 17:53 |
| JayDugger | Odd...let me check. | 17:54 |
| JayDugger | Probably my error... | 17:55 |
| JayDugger | https://docs.google.com/document/edit?id=1xb-ttVVyvZJ6TAA9W1-ZlCkZ0MutD-ORL9KxtRQkqMI&hl=en&authkey=CJzf5r8N | 17:56 |
| JayDugger | I reset the link such that "Anyone who has the link can _view_" | 17:56 |
| fenn | i think google just hates me | 17:57 |
| fenn | anyway, is that just the PDF? | 17:57 |
| JayDugger | That could be true. So far, yes. I plan to make in-line comments. | 17:57 |
| JayDugger | Some anonymous user views it now. | 17:58 |
| * fenn goes shopping/home | 17:58 | |
| JayDugger | "The DARPA Program Manager for this BAA is Paul Eremenko." | 18:03 |
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| JayDugger | Pipl.com search results for "Paul Eremenko" http://tinyurl.com/27w9dha | 18:05 |
| JayDugger | LinkedIn profile for him. http://www.linkedin.com/in/pauleremenko | 18:05 |
| QuantumG | http://quantumg.net/franz-gayl-singularity-gushing.mp3 <- US Marine gushing about getting into the Singularity University | 18:06 |
| JayDugger | Better than most deployments, yes. :) | 18:06 |
| JayDugger | kanzure, BAA: I don't know enough about writing federal proposals to give meaningful advice on application. Seek professional help, possibly at UTA. | 18:12 |
| JayDugger | kanzure, BAA: Consider joining a team that can cover the federal overhead. | 18:15 |
| JayDugger | kanzure, BAA: DARPA expects unclassified proposals. If you join a team, ask about this point. If you already have a security clearance, they might need to know, and if needed, they might cover the application. | 18:17 |
| JayDugger | kanzure, BAA: Since DARPA plans to open-source this, I really doubt this will come up in the initial proposal--BUT given its intended use for military vehicles, the work will probably have to include handling classified material at some point. That might be initially out of scope for the project. | 18:20 |
| JayDugger | kanzure, BAA: READ this section (Export Control). This project seems set-up for a collision between ITAR and open source. The lega challenges seem formidable and possibly more important to the project's success than the technical side. - jay.dugger | 18:30 |
| JayDugger | kanzure, BAA: Contract winners must use the E-Verify program to cover themselves against employing illegal aliens. (Only slightly cynical.) | 18:33 |
| JayDugger | kanzure, BAA: You have to register as a federal contractor if you win. | 18:34 |
| JayDugger | kanzure, BAA: More overhead. You must also use WAWF, i-Edison, and " complete electronic annual representations and certifications." | 18:36 |
| JayDugger | kanzure, BAA: Intellectual property inventory might be necessary so DARPA can apply an open source license to the end product. | 18:41 |
| JayDugger | kanzure, BAA: If Todd Huffman's getting DARPA funding, ask him about his experiences with them. He might know, or have a social link with, the Program Manager Paul Eremenko. | 18:42 |
| JayDugger | kanzure, BAA: Other people to ask about this project: Robert Freitas (obviously), E. S. Raymond (seriously, for his 2009 work on software forges (http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=1369)) | 18:48 |
| kanzure | fenn: just got back from a long hangout-meeting with dave.. yeah, this is going to happen :) | 18:51 |
| JayDugger | kanzure, BAA: I suspect the performers working on META and META-II have an advantage for the vehicleforge.mil BAA. | 18:53 |
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| JayDugger | kanzure, BAA: Will work more on this tomorrow, family time and work prep. | 18:59 |
| JayDugger | kanzure, BAA: Link dump follows, will move to delicious.com in due course. | 19:02 |
| JayDugger | kanzure, BAA: Link dump at http://gist.github.com/73a329342c99795c6fa9 | 19:03 |
| JayDugger | Good night, everyone. | 19:03 |
| QuantumG | you should be listening to The Space Show right now http://thespaceshow.com/live.htm | 19:04 |
| kanzure | JayDugger: thank you | 19:06 |
| kanzure | fenn: so, the pitch i've been using to win dave over (he has a standard/reasonable amount of apathy for anything related to contracts/grants/proposal) | 19:06 |
| kanzure | is that thingiverse has makerbot users | 19:06 |
| kanzure | and this would have *military* users | 19:06 |
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| kanzure | <JayDugger> Anyway, time to commute, and remember me when SpaceX wants to use vehicleforge.mil for a nuclear thermal Mars rocket. :) | 19:11 |
| QuantumG | SpaceX wants NASA (or whoever) to develop nuclear thermal and leave chemical rocket development to them. | 19:14 |
| QuantumG | and Elon himself says nuclear thermal aint even interesting. | 19:14 |
| kanzure | the META-2 proposal that was referenced is interesting: | 19:28 |
| kanzure | https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity&mode=form&id=39e9ecaeb317a64389dd59eb2cf12d1f&tab=core&_cview=1 | 19:28 |
| kanzure | pdf: https://www.fbo.gov/utils/view?id=4dc31bf2b9330dd60a991171bdee29df | 19:28 |
| kanzure | heh also "and please tell us how to build a library of components to use in this design representation for complex military systems, kthxbai" | 19:28 |
| kanzure | abstraction based complexity final report https://www.fbo.gov/utils/view?id=9cb78f01aa9db1fe92e093e786bc6733 | 19:43 |
| kanzure | the quality of these papers is less than matt campbell's graphsynth work | 19:46 |
| kanzure | i'm surprised.. | 19:46 |
| kanzure | where are they getting their component libraries from? | 19:47 |
| kanzure | okay, yeah they don't have a component library (as far as i can tell) | 19:50 |
| kanzure | so solving that problem at the same time ("how are we going to get a component library") would be something they find valuable | 19:50 |
| kanzure | (namely the component model library comes from users uploading STEP/IGES parts and then doing some metadata on it, and eventually technical analysis or basic equation representation before simulation or verification can happen) | 19:51 |
| kanzure | "Determine a method of architecture synthesis that can be used to explore the complete design space available during early conceptual design" | 19:52 |
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| kanzure | "Assess analytical methods available to identify weakly connected areas in a complex system for the purpose of clustering" | 19:53 |
| kanzure | it's like reading my job description from ADL :P | 19:53 |
| kanzure | https://wiki.sei.cmu.edu/aadl/index.php/The_Story_of_AADL | 19:57 |
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| kanzure | so part of the requirements of vehicleforge.mil is using the META-2 languages that those contractors have been making for their component libraries and so on | 20:17 |
| kanzure | i don't know what that's going to involve. that's a little troubling. | 20:17 |
| kanzure | i guess i cuold just phone up these people and ask them what they are cooking: https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity&mode=form&id=39e9ecaeb317a64389dd59eb2cf12d1f&tab=ivl&tabmode=list | 20:37 |
| kanzure | huh ptc.com took the job? | 20:37 |
| fenn | wtf is META-2 and where are you getting this info? | 20:45 |
| kanzure | META-2 description: https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity&mode=form&id=39e9ecaeb317a64389dd59eb2cf12d1f&tab=core&_cview=1 | 20:47 |
| kanzure | pdf: https://www.fbo.gov/utils/view?id=4dc31bf2b9330dd60a991171bdee29df | 20:47 |
| kanzure | weird paper attached to that description page: https://www.fbo.gov/utils/view?id=9cb78f01aa9db1fe92e093e786bc6733 | 20:47 |
| fenn | i dont suppose anybody at fbo.gov ever read "cool urls last" | 20:48 |
| kanzure | vehicleforge.mil pdf: https://www.fbo.gov/utils/view?id=11a895334e76707406e3b78c918357cd | 20:48 |
| kanzure | so in the vehicleforge request they specifically mention that one of the tasks is integrating whatever output comes from META-2 | 20:48 |
| kanzure | (page 5, program scope #1) | 20:48 |
| any88614625 | *** Unable to resolve vehicleforge.mil , how do you get there? | 20:49 |
| kanzure | any88614625: it doesn't exist yet.. the idea is that fenn and i are going to build it | 20:49 |
| any88614625 | with a .mil on it? | 20:50 |
| * kanzure nods | 20:50 | |
| any88614625 | they don't just hand thoe out to anyone | 20:50 |
| fenn | did you talk to sean morrison? | 20:51 |
| kanzure | he seemed disinterested | 20:51 |
| kanzure | any88614625: https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity&mode=form&id=f0a0b6204a5fc937bb926ce5e5b52851&tab=core&_cview=0 | 20:51 |
| kanzure | oh, that's the wrong link.. that's the draft BAA | 20:52 |
| kanzure | i'm supposed to be on the phone with todd as of 5min ago | 20:53 |
| kanzure | dave says brownell is on board :) | 20:56 |
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| fenn | google hates me | 21:12 |
| fenn | maybe if they wouldn't treat their own products as infallible they wouldnt have these sorts of problems | 21:15 |
| kanzure | on phone with todd | 21:15 |
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| fenn | argh now it sends all my google groups mail to gmail | 21:30 |
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| fenn | damn they stole my web history too | 21:36 |
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| kanzure | fenn: check your inbox.. sent you the transcript i did of call with todd | 21:42 |
| kanzure | fenn: i am bcc'ing you on an email (with .pdf in the subject line), please do not reply to it (it has a large CC list) | 22:09 |
| kanzure | or if you do reply, only to brownell/dave/me | 22:10 |
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| kanzure | fenn: did you read it? | 22:37 |
| * fenn snickers at "maintain the american hemeergitiyny over the world" | 22:38 | |
| fenn | who is brownell btw? | 22:47 |
| kanzure | brownell is an angel investor that hangs out with dave | 22:48 |
| kanzure | i guess they are business partners. brownell does lots of programming (rails) stuff too. used to do darpa stuff. uh.. | 22:49 |
| fenn | just so you know i will have all the time in the world to work on this after around sept 11 (how ironic) | 23:00 |
| kanzure | fired? | 23:01 |
| fenn | quit | 23:01 |
| kanzure | too lame? | 23:01 |
| fenn | i can't handle waking up at the same time every day | 23:01 |
| fenn | and too beige, sql, people talking at me | 23:02 |
| fenn | but mostly the sleep deprivation | 23:02 |
| fenn | notice i'm fully awake now that it's "bedtime" | 23:03 |
| kanzure | :) | 23:03 |
| * kanzure pesters dave to come in | 23:03 | |
| fenn | so, wd "blue" "scorpio" 500GB drives are only like $50, plus $15 enclosure and you're set, can carry around all your data in your pocket | 23:04 |
| kanzure | sd cards? | 23:05 |
| fenn | and they run off of usb power - hard drive | 23:05 |
| fenn | this is something that's been on my shopping list for like 2 years now | 23:05 |
| fenn | what do they mean exactly by "cyber"? | 23:18 |
| fenn | is this military-speak for "computer" or actually referring to cybernetics in particular? | 23:18 |
| kanzure | where did i say that? | 23:21 |
| fenn | in the BAA there's multiple references to "cyber-electro-mechanical systems" | 23:21 |
| fenn | er, the proposer's day announcement | 23:22 |
| kanzure | it could be both.. but control systems definitely fall within this category of things they want to represent | 23:25 |
| kanzure | and obviously this is electronic | 23:25 |
| fenn | is it normal (i.e. not just google trying to get me) to get a "500 temporary error" when accessing gmail? | 23:25 |
| kanzure | no it's not normal | 23:26 |
| kanzure | gmail gives those once in a while though. usually it's fixed "eventually" | 23:26 |
| kanzure | did you see the META-2 report thingy? the one with the papers in it | 23:33 |
| ybit | anyone understand why this is supposed to be delta waves? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAQZeevA0Go | 23:34 |
| ybit | delta is up to 4Hz, not above it | 23:34 |
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