2010-08-20.log

--- Log opened Fri Aug 20 00:00:17 2010
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JayDuggerGood morning, everyone.06:17
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JayDuggerGood morning, again, everyone.07:51
JayDuggerWith any luck, my quick tweet to St. Metcalfe will get the Internet connection to work.07:52
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JayDuggerFigures...as soon as stable, time to leave.07:57
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Utopiahfenn: clients for livenomadic.com http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-1092803208:27
SeH_http://www.transalchemy.com/2010/08/semantic-career-design.html09:40
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kanzurehi thebluestlight 10:28
kanzureblah i guess i should be doing formal architecture stuff now for step.py.. whether or not i'll be wrapping SCL or using fedex_plus or what.10:31
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thebluestlighthi Kanzure10:31
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thebluestlightDid Venter ever release the specs on Synthia and how much oil it would actually produce?10:33
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kanzurehah..10:54
kanzurehttp://www.kurzweilai.net/ray-kurzweil-responds-to-ray-kurzweil-does-not-understand-the-brain10:54
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dbolserkanzure: did you write that?11:04
dbolserPZ Myers, OK11:05
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gjotsAnybody here come across transhumanists in/from Japan?11:33
thebluestlightso if China employs 45% of its population in agricultural jobs, and it fills 12% of their global power index, how much would their economy and financial markets be affected by a biological storm11:34
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thebluestlightsay locusts or germ that wipes out all the growing food11:34
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SeH_thebluestlight: you are talking about biohacking algae for fuel? do you have a link about it11:46
thebluestlightno this is new research11:47
thebluestlightthink bio-engineered germs or swarms of locusts that destroy the natural agriculture, how much would that affect their national financial market and gpi11:48
killall-9thebluestlight: WW311:48
thebluestlightif you could trace it back as an attack11:50
thebluestlightfreak biological attacks like that plague nations all the time11:50
thebluestlighthowever it would be hard to miss bio-engineered locusts, agreed11:50
kanzuresorry about that.. was on the phone. someone was pitching me a spaced repetition iphone app11:50
kanzuregjots: no. i would very much like to meet japanese transhumanists.11:51
kanzurei might know some from china (singapore maybe) but that's hardly the same11:51
gjotskanzure: thanks anyway. I'm heading over there in a week, and am meeting a couple, but it's always good to meet more people..11:52
kanzurei'd like to meet them too!11:52
gjotswhat would you talk to a japanese transhumanist about?11:53
kanzuregiant mechas and how the heck they became fascinated with james hogan11:53
gjotsjames hogan? is he big there?11:54
kanzureapparently he inspired the macross saga O_o11:55
gjotswhoa. had no idea.11:56
gjotsnot that i've read much james hogan.11:56
gjotsanything else you'd want to find out about?11:58
kanzurewhy they aren't as prominent or something on my side of the internet.. i mean, most of the transhumanist folk seem to be american or european11:58
kanzures/prominent/showing up frequently/11:59
gjotsthere was a candidate from the H+ board a few years ago from Japan, but not much since then. There are more than 100 people signed up to the transhumanist group page on mixi (japanese social networking site), but the organizer is a Japanese Raelian.12:00
killall-9thebluestlight: the problem is that once havoc takes over it doesn't matter if and who started it12:00
kanzuregjots: can you link to that mixi group?12:00
gjotsit's here: http://mixi.jp/view_community.pl?id=40711412:01
gjotsbut you may need a mixi account to see it, and they only let you sign up if you have a japanese cell phone e-mail address.12:01
kanzureview_community.pl lol perl?12:01
kanzuregjots: what i want is the list of those 100 names.. could you email them to me or upload the page somewhere? kanzure@gmail.com if by email12:02
kanzurei wonder if a free SIP number from japan will do the trick or not.. is it just an email address or would a voip number work?12:03
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gjotsno. they send an activation email only to domains of japanese cell phone providers.12:03
gjotsany chance you read japanese?12:04
kanzurei like to pretend i can, but no12:04
kanzurei only read manganese12:04
gjotsheh. ok. i'll write you up a quick list.12:04
gjotswhat'll you use the names for?12:06
kanzurecross-referencing :D12:06
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kanzurei have a list of all transhumanists i've ever known about12:06
gjotslol. if i send you the japanese list, could you send me the full list?12:07
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kanzuregjots: yes12:08
gjotsawesome.12:08
kanzurejason bobe linked over to his draft diybio letter to the bioethics.gov peeps12:12
kanzureShould we write one letter or many letters?  I have spoken to a few different people about the how the commission operates, and from what I can gather it would be much more powerful if the community could come together and support the submission of a single letter to the commission.  Even though members of the community obviously don't always agree on everything, if we could generate a general consensus on how to define the community and its importa12:12
kanzureer12:12
kanzurehttp://bit.ly/PCSBI_DIYbio_PDF12:12
kanzurehttp://bit.ly/PCSBI_DIYbio_edit12:12
kanzurehttp://bit.ly/PCSBI_DIYbio_PDF12:12
kanzurefuck, he totally ignored our recommendations in the meeting12:15
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kanzurei replied to jason12:30
kanzurehttp://groups.google.com/group/diybio/browse_thread/thread/5e29e42ce89ca23212:30
kanzuregjots: thank you. i'll uh, upload my data somewhere12:36
gjotscool12:36
kanzureheh "RaelianMichio [Group Organizer]"12:37
gjotsyup. more than a few raelians in the bunch.12:37
kanzureodd.12:37
any94002353maybe 12:37
any94002353targeted towards high schools, and ti would be great 12:37
any94002353ti would be great?12:38
kanzurewhat's up with that? the raelian influence..12:38
kanzureany94002353: ti->"it" 12:38
any94002353"Soemthing that's like"12:38
kanzureany94002353: i was typing, and on a new keyboard and new laptop so there's lots of stuff broken in the transcript..12:38
any94002353but you submitted a proofed and de-typoed letter?12:38
kanzurewhat?12:38
kanzurei did?12:38
any94002353so you sumbitted a letter for serious national consideration with words like ti, sisue, soemthing ?12:39
any94002353none of my business, i'll be quiet now12:40
SeH_rael has published some interest free e-books books12:40
SeH_interesting free12:40
SeH_http://www.rael.org/download.php?view.112:40
SeH_http://www.rael.org/download.php?list.2 err here is the list12:41
kanzureany94002353: no, i did not submit any letter *anywhere*12:46
SeH_The Aum Shinrikyo sarin gas attacks in 1995 were a major blow to the otaku culture. In the same year Hideaki Anno directed and wrote what is probably the most controversial anime show ever written, Neon Genesis Evangelion.  The Human Instrumentality Project in the Neon Genesis Evangelion franchise is an example of transhumanism with magical means.12:49
kanzurewhere did you find that from?12:52
gjotsSeH_: is that from one of the raelian books?12:52
kanzuremaybe this? http://wheerin.com/?page_id=11912:52
kanzurehm the sentences you pasted above SeH_ are from different sources12:53
SeH_kanzure: yes two concatenated sources12:53
SeH_kanzure: ever watch that anime?12:53
SeH_its rumored that Evangelion was used as recruitment material for the Aum Shinrikyo cult12:53
kanzureevangelion? yes12:53
kanzureENKI-][: didn't you have an evangelion fetish for a while?12:54
ENKI-][still do12:54
ENKI-][and, SeH_ -- i heard that rumour in the reverse: that gainax bigwigs were involved with the aum shinrikyo12:54
SeH_http://english.aleph.to/ is an offshoot of Aum Shinrikyo that formed after Asahara was jailed, i think12:54
SeH_ENKI-][: yes both ways12:54
ENKI-][but it's not the case12:55
SeH_ENKI-][: that gainax was involved in aum, and made evangelion to induct cult candidates12:55
ENKI-][it may be the case that anno (and possibly others) have undergone occult studies, and i argue for that12:55
SeH_it still doesnt detract from how awesome and deep the anime actually is12:55
ENKI-][however, the word of god says that the occult references in eva are just flash12:55
ENKI-][in any case, the whole thing runs rather counter to aum philosphy12:56
SeH_do you know aum philosophy?12:56
ENKI-][not in depth. i'm aware of it12:56
ENKI-][but if anything, evangelion is a satire of it12:57
SeH_or the philosophy may be so bulletproof that it includes the satire of itself in itself12:57
SeH_;)12:57
ENKI-][i somewhat doubt it is bulletproof12:57
SeH_bulletproof or complete may be a better word12:58
ENKI-][bulletproof philosophies tend to spread. aum is small even in japan12:58
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ENKI-][i've read the article from newtype that introduced the idea that evangelion and aum were related12:58
ENKI-][but if you're gonna join a cult, even in japan, at least have the decency to join raelianism or something12:59
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SeH_or both13:01
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kanzurehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhetorical_question_mark#Percontation_point16:08
kanzurea rhetorical question mark. hah.16:08
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fennORLY?16:18
* fenn punches self in face16:18
Juulisn't that kinda silly?16:22
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kanzurefenn: dave and i are preparing the final questions to send over.16:24
kanzureanything other than the licensing question about META-II output16:24
kanzurei wouldn't be surprised if META-2 performers are just using sysml and that's why it's written in the doc :)16:25
kanzurebut if they /are/ just using sysml then i should totally write up an offer for that (since META-2 has more money available)16:26
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NoahjHey hplusroadmap 17:46
NoahjI just got back from fab6, which was pretty cool 17:46
NoahjThere were some DIYbio presentations there 17:46
NoahjSomeone implemented greek logic17:46
NoahjWhatever that's called17:46
NoahjWhich I thought was a bit weird17:47
kanzureare there videos?17:47
NoahjYes, but unfortunately they're not centralized yet17:47
Noahjhttp://fablab.23video.com/channel/762537/fab617:47
NoahjHas most of them, I think 17:47
NoahjI don't think the good stuff, lectures, etc. is up yet17:48
NoahjSince the conference just ended 17:48
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wrldpc2greetingseses18:25
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kanzurehi wrldpc2_ 18:36
kanzurehow are you?18:36
wrldpc2_well, sir.  how are you?18:37
wrldpc2_I see Kurzweil beefing with Chopra.  It is good.18:37
kanzurei'm doing good. might be up in your area for http://openhardwaresummit.org/ 18:38
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kanzurehttp://shareable.net/blog/a-factory-in-every-home18:39
kanzure"Want to contribute to the community? Then form or join a team in the competition to build a better RepRap. The Kartik M. Gada Humanitarian Innovation Prize is offering $80,000 for a better RepRap."18:40
kanzurehm looks like i have some PR damage control to do18:40
kanzure*technically* that money doesn't exist18:40
kanzure:x18:40
epitronKartik M. Gada is getting some flames!18:42
kanzurehe is?18:42
epitronwell, his name is on the prize18:43
kanzureyes but i'm supposedly managing the prize18:44
epitronif the money doesn't appear he would be the go-to guy, right?18:44
kanzureso that's why i have PR damage control to do18:44
kanzureno technically that would be /me/18:44
kanzure>_>18:44
epitronright but it's not called the KANZURE INNOVATION PRIZE :)18:44
kanzureHIP sounds better than KIP anyway18:44
epitronflames are not about proper chains of authority18:44
kanzureah good18:44
epitronso you think this guy is going to come through and fund it?18:45
kanzurei think it's under my power to change the name of the prize18:45
kanzurehis plan for funding it is to get other people to donate the prize money18:45
epitronhaha18:45
epitronand put his name on it18:45
kanzureyes18:45
epitronweirdo18:45
kanzurebtw the other prize money exists though (the $18k prize)18:45
epitronthat's a pretty good chunk18:46
* kanzure nods18:46
epitronyou could probably just pay some engineer $18k to design a better reprap :)18:46
kanzurepresumably humanitarians hate engineers?18:46
kanzureor something18:46
epitronahh18:47
kanzurebut he's a real estate flipper or something so i don't know how humanitarian that makes him18:47
epitronthat seems to fit the profile18:47
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epitronhe sounds kinda sketchy if you ask me18:48
kanzuresays the anonymous irc gangster to the other18:48
epitron^_^18:48
fennkanzure look what $100k did for the lavaamp project after all19:02
fenngada actually gave a whole talk at foresight conference about why prizes are a better way to fund innovation19:03
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fennnote to self: sd cards are slow unless specifically marked "fast"19:04
kanzure$100k completely ruined it and destroyed joe's life19:15
kanzureyeah, i agree with gada about prizes.. when you have funding for the prize already :)19:16
kanzureto his credit, he hasn't begged the reprap community for funding. so that's a plus.19:19
kanzurefenn do you have a local copy of opennurbs?19:33
* fenn bangs his head against the beagleboard over and over19:39
kanzurethere's something i'd like you to confirm for me..19:40
fennplz provide concise instructions19:40
kanzuretry running opennurbs/example_gl/example_gl with the output of opennurbs/example_brep/example_brep (it's a file, so the parameter to example_gl will be the path to the file that example_brep generates)19:40
kanzureand tell me what you think about the visualization19:40
fenn'a download link has been emailed'? wtf19:42
kanzurehttp://files.na.mcneel.com/opennurbs/5.0/2010-04-09/opennurbs_20100409.zip19:42
kanzureif that doesn't work try http://files.na.mcneel.com/opennurbs/5.0/2010-04-09/opennurbs_20100409.zip?AWSAccessKeyId=050NWYGC9TWYXMD9YG02&Expires=1281644208&Signature=JKLalzRNpmxXoV7Q4f4LN0qT4t4%3d19:43
wrldpc2_ftr: I'm in Pensacola, FL now for the time being.19:43
kanzureis that fort wsomething or gainesville?19:44
kanzurejey kottalam is on twister?19:54
kanzureer, sifter. i don't know how to refer to it.19:55
kanzure"Finally, the PTO doesn't cost taxpayers a dime. It's already fully funded by applicant fees, and in fact Congress often skims off excess fees. In total Congress has taken over $900 million that way. A bill was recently passed to give something like $120 million of that back to the PTO for the purpose of improving its IT systems and hiring more examiners."20:02
kanzurefenn: did it work?20:02
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niftyzeroany opinions about: http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2010/08/ray_kurzweil_does_not_understa.php ?20:04
niftyzeroignoring the ad-hominem attacks...20:05
wrldpc2_transhumanitarian engineers20:05
kanzureniftyzero: http://www.kurzweilai.net/ray-kurzweil-responds-to-ray-kurzweil-does-not-understand-the-brain20:05
niftyzeroooh, missed that20:05
wrldpc2_Chopra vs. Kurzweil, Round 2 FIGHT!!20:05
wrldpc2_I don't know about you guys but I'm taking a lot of pleasure in seeing them go at it.20:06
niftyzeroI was about to write a blog post refuting the article, but I guess that's not needed anymore20:07
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kanzure// use (slow and buggy) glu trimmed NURBS rendering20:18
kanzurewell that's not encouraging20:18
fennkanzure: help compiling example_gl? am i missing something obviously simple?20:19
kanzurewhat's going wrong?20:19
fenn1) didnt get compiled by 'make', 2) "make examples" doesn't work 3) gcc example_gl.cpp -lglut blah blah blah fucking blah20:20
fennstill can't find all the header files20:20
fennand other errors which i dont really get20:20
kanzuredid you try "make example_gl"20:21
fennexample_gl.cpp:220: error: expected ')' before '*' token20:21
fennmake: Nothing to be done for `example_gl'.20:21
kanzureohh right20:21
kanzurehm let me think, how did i fix this20:22
kanzurecomment out line 21820:22
kanzureuncomment line 22120:22
kanzure//typedef void (CALLBACK* RHINO_GL_NURBS_ERROR)(...);20:22
kanzuretypedef void (CALLBACK* RHINO_GL_NURBS_ERROR)();20:22
kanzureand make sure you add #define CALLBACK around that area20:23
kanzurebefore #endif i guess20:23
fenn#define CALLBACK what?20:24
kanzurejust that.20:24
fennexample_gl.cpp:459: error: invalid conversion from 'void (*)(...)' to 'void (*)()'20:28
kanzure#note: used to have -lglaux on LINK_GL .. changed 2010-08-11-0359 bryan20:28
kanzureokay, so apparently i had to fix shit20:28
fennoh i'm using glut20:29
kanzureyeah you should use glut20:29
kanzure"used to have" means "it once had"20:29
kanzuretehe line 459 is related to the RHINO_GL_NURBS_ERROR bullshit20:29
kanzurewhat does your line 459 look like?20:29
kanzurewell, i guess 45820:30
kanzurei should just do a diff of all this crap20:30
fenn    // hack to get around C vs C++ type checking trauma20:31
fenn    RHINO_GL_NURBS_ERROR fn;20:31
fenn    fn = (RHINO_GL_NURBS_ERROR)myNurbsErrorCallback;20:31
fenn    gluNurbsCallback( nobj, GLU_ERROR, fn );20:31
kanzureoh btw it's "make gl"20:31
kanzurefenn: ok. that looks right. how about around line 220 just to confirm that stuff?20:32
fenn#define CALLBACK20:36
fenntypedef void (CALLBACK* RHINO_GL_NURBS_ERROR)(...);20:36
kanzureno, comment out that typedef line there20:36
kanzurethis one should be uncommented: typedef void (CALLBACK* RHINO_GL_NURBS_ERROR)();20:36
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fennok that worked, now i'm getting a bunch of linker errors20:38
kanzurepastie?20:38
fennwhy is it the 2&>1 thingy never works20:39
kanzure2>&120:39
fenni copied libopenNURBS.a to /usr/local/lib and then ran ldconfig20:42
fenngcc example_gl.cpp  -lglut -lopenNURBS  yields http://pastebin.ca/192181820:42
kanzurehere is my makefile: http://pastebin.ca/192182020:43
kanzurefeel free to diff it against what you have 20:43
kanzurehere is my example_gl.cpp http://pastebin.ca//192182220:45
fennrawr20:48
kanzuredid this do it?20:48
fenn'make gl' was the magic incantation20:48
kanzurewhat about example_brep?20:49
fennokay i see a gray thing with blue jaggy lines and blue square dots scattered around it20:51
kanzureis this my_brep.3dm?20:51
fennlooks sort of transparent or inside out20:51
fennyeah20:51
kanzureuse arrow keys to rotate20:51
kanzureit's a cube :(20:52
fennyep that's good and fucked20:52
kanzurethis is what i was hoping to use as a visualizer to step.py but after seeing this, i'm uh not sure20:52
kanzurenow, if you run example_write/example_write you can point example_gl at example_write/my_mesh_with_material.3dm20:53
fennlooks like it's applying the wrong transformation to the patches20:54
kanzurehas lots of visualization problems too but it's somewhat better?20:54
kanzurei'm just confused/sad :(20:54
kanzureif you want to see where it does rendering for breps see opennurbs/opennurbs_gl.cpp in particular search for ON_GL then search for ON_Brep (it's one of the 20 something overloads of ON_GL)20:55
fennmy_mesh_with_material looks ok20:55
kanzureyeah it looks way better but there are definite problems20:55
kanzure(try rotating)20:56
fennit's just hitting hte clipping planes20:56
kanzurealso what's with the weird refresh bullshit whenever you change the view?20:56
kanzuremeshes seem to render fine: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/screenshots/2010-08-19-python-opengl-opennurbs.png20:56
fennhm, nevermind about clipping planes20:57
kanzurei wanted to make sure opennurbs could actually visualize breps before i spent some time fixing up example_gl.py for inclusion with step.py20:57
kanzurei'm glad i did20:57
fennif opengl can render nurbs by default then what's the point of opennurbs?20:58
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kanzurethere are some pyopengl demos here: http://pypi.python.org/packages/source/P/PyOpenGL-Demo/PyOpenGL-Demo-3.0.1b1.zip21:00
kanzurethere's actually a few nurbs demos that look reasonable in there.21:00
kanzurethat's a good question. uh. um.21:00
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kanzurei guess i was hoping opennurbs would be easier than writing my own set of classes for nurbs and visualization21:04
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kanzure"Since Version 2.0 Coin uses a different licence model. It's not longer LGPL. They use GPL for open source and a commercial licence for closed source. That means if you want to sell your work based on FreeCAD (extension modules) you need to purchase a Coin licence! "22:17
kanzureok nevermind the second sentence just sucks22:18
kanzurehah.. so, because AIS sucks so much in opencascade22:25
kanzurejürgen decided to just use coin3d for visualizing everything in freecad22:26
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kanzure"The term spline goes back to the long flexible strips of metal used by draftspersons to lay out the surfaces of airplanes, cars, and ships. "Ducks", weights attached to the splines, were used to pull the spline in various directions."23:25
kanzureokay. new action plan is to write my own tessellation algorithm (i should have done this a few days ago)23:46
kanzureprobably one like opencascade's BRep::Mesher23:46
kanzureor Poly::PolygonTriangulation23:46
kanzurewhat? http://projects.opencascade.org/projects/graphperf/homer_3d_occ.jpg23:47
kanzurelooks like pythonCAD implemented a very simple nurbs class: http://www.koders.com/python/fidA8B25C6E8DCB7531378B3AF5F7886E832D328303.aspx?s=cdef%3Atree+mdef%3Ainsert23:50
kanzure(in nurbs.py)23:51
ybit_kanzure: how's the election coming along?23:52
kanzureactually i can't decide between that and PyOpenGL-Demo-3.0.1b1/PyOpenGL-Demo/proesch/nurbs/nurbs.py which uses gluNurbsCurve (which simplifies things a lot)23:53
kanzureybit_: i am in 6th place23:55
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