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JayDugger | Good morning, everyone. | 06:17 |
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JayDugger | Good morning, again, everyone. | 07:51 |
JayDugger | With any luck, my quick tweet to St. Metcalfe will get the Internet connection to work. | 07:52 |
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Utopiah | fenn: clients for livenomadic.com http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-10928032 | 08:27 |
SeH_ | http://www.transalchemy.com/2010/08/semantic-career-design.html | 09:40 |
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kanzure | hi thebluestlight | 10:28 |
kanzure | blah i guess i should be doing formal architecture stuff now for step.py.. whether or not i'll be wrapping SCL or using fedex_plus or what. | 10:31 |
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thebluestlight | hi Kanzure | 10:31 |
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thebluestlight | Did Venter ever release the specs on Synthia and how much oil it would actually produce? | 10:33 |
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kanzure | hah.. | 10:54 |
kanzure | http://www.kurzweilai.net/ray-kurzweil-responds-to-ray-kurzweil-does-not-understand-the-brain | 10:54 |
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dbolser | kanzure: did you write that? | 11:04 |
dbolser | PZ Myers, OK | 11:05 |
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gjots | Anybody here come across transhumanists in/from Japan? | 11:33 |
thebluestlight | so if China employs 45% of its population in agricultural jobs, and it fills 12% of their global power index, how much would their economy and financial markets be affected by a biological storm | 11:34 |
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thebluestlight | say locusts or germ that wipes out all the growing food | 11:34 |
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SeH_ | thebluestlight: you are talking about biohacking algae for fuel? do you have a link about it | 11:46 |
thebluestlight | no this is new research | 11:47 |
thebluestlight | think bio-engineered germs or swarms of locusts that destroy the natural agriculture, how much would that affect their national financial market and gpi | 11:48 |
killall-9 | thebluestlight: WW3 | 11:48 |
thebluestlight | if you could trace it back as an attack | 11:50 |
thebluestlight | freak biological attacks like that plague nations all the time | 11:50 |
thebluestlight | however it would be hard to miss bio-engineered locusts, agreed | 11:50 |
kanzure | sorry about that.. was on the phone. someone was pitching me a spaced repetition iphone app | 11:50 |
kanzure | gjots: no. i would very much like to meet japanese transhumanists. | 11:51 |
kanzure | i might know some from china (singapore maybe) but that's hardly the same | 11:51 |
gjots | kanzure: thanks anyway. I'm heading over there in a week, and am meeting a couple, but it's always good to meet more people.. | 11:52 |
kanzure | i'd like to meet them too! | 11:52 |
gjots | what would you talk to a japanese transhumanist about? | 11:53 |
kanzure | giant mechas and how the heck they became fascinated with james hogan | 11:53 |
gjots | james hogan? is he big there? | 11:54 |
kanzure | apparently he inspired the macross saga O_o | 11:55 |
gjots | whoa. had no idea. | 11:56 |
gjots | not that i've read much james hogan. | 11:56 |
gjots | anything else you'd want to find out about? | 11:58 |
kanzure | why they aren't as prominent or something on my side of the internet.. i mean, most of the transhumanist folk seem to be american or european | 11:58 |
kanzure | s/prominent/showing up frequently/ | 11:59 |
gjots | there was a candidate from the H+ board a few years ago from Japan, but not much since then. There are more than 100 people signed up to the transhumanist group page on mixi (japanese social networking site), but the organizer is a Japanese Raelian. | 12:00 |
killall-9 | thebluestlight: the problem is that once havoc takes over it doesn't matter if and who started it | 12:00 |
kanzure | gjots: can you link to that mixi group? | 12:00 |
gjots | it's here: http://mixi.jp/view_community.pl?id=407114 | 12:01 |
gjots | but you may need a mixi account to see it, and they only let you sign up if you have a japanese cell phone e-mail address. | 12:01 |
kanzure | view_community.pl lol perl? | 12:01 |
kanzure | gjots: what i want is the list of those 100 names.. could you email them to me or upload the page somewhere? kanzure@gmail.com if by email | 12:02 |
kanzure | i wonder if a free SIP number from japan will do the trick or not.. is it just an email address or would a voip number work? | 12:03 |
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gjots | no. they send an activation email only to domains of japanese cell phone providers. | 12:03 |
gjots | any chance you read japanese? | 12:04 |
kanzure | i like to pretend i can, but no | 12:04 |
kanzure | i only read manganese | 12:04 |
gjots | heh. ok. i'll write you up a quick list. | 12:04 |
gjots | what'll you use the names for? | 12:06 |
kanzure | cross-referencing :D | 12:06 |
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kanzure | i have a list of all transhumanists i've ever known about | 12:06 |
gjots | lol. if i send you the japanese list, could you send me the full list? | 12:07 |
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kanzure | gjots: yes | 12:08 |
gjots | awesome. | 12:08 |
kanzure | jason bobe linked over to his draft diybio letter to the bioethics.gov peeps | 12:12 |
kanzure | Should we write one letter or many letters? I have spoken to a few different people about the how the commission operates, and from what I can gather it would be much more powerful if the community could come together and support the submission of a single letter to the commission. Even though members of the community obviously don't always agree on everything, if we could generate a general consensus on how to define the community and its importa | 12:12 |
kanzure | er | 12:12 |
kanzure | http://bit.ly/PCSBI_DIYbio_PDF | 12:12 |
kanzure | http://bit.ly/PCSBI_DIYbio_edit | 12:12 |
kanzure | http://bit.ly/PCSBI_DIYbio_PDF | 12:12 |
kanzure | fuck, he totally ignored our recommendations in the meeting | 12:15 |
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kanzure | i replied to jason | 12:30 |
kanzure | http://groups.google.com/group/diybio/browse_thread/thread/5e29e42ce89ca232 | 12:30 |
kanzure | gjots: thank you. i'll uh, upload my data somewhere | 12:36 |
gjots | cool | 12:36 |
kanzure | heh "RaelianMichio [Group Organizer]" | 12:37 |
gjots | yup. more than a few raelians in the bunch. | 12:37 |
kanzure | odd. | 12:37 |
any94002353 | maybe | 12:37 |
any94002353 | targeted towards high schools, and ti would be great | 12:37 |
any94002353 | ti would be great? | 12:38 |
kanzure | what's up with that? the raelian influence.. | 12:38 |
kanzure | any94002353: ti->"it" | 12:38 |
any94002353 | "Soemthing that's like" | 12:38 |
kanzure | any94002353: i was typing, and on a new keyboard and new laptop so there's lots of stuff broken in the transcript.. | 12:38 |
any94002353 | but you submitted a proofed and de-typoed letter? | 12:38 |
kanzure | what? | 12:38 |
kanzure | i did? | 12:38 |
any94002353 | so you sumbitted a letter for serious national consideration with words like ti, sisue, soemthing ? | 12:39 |
any94002353 | none of my business, i'll be quiet now | 12:40 |
SeH_ | rael has published some interest free e-books books | 12:40 |
SeH_ | interesting free | 12:40 |
SeH_ | http://www.rael.org/download.php?view.1 | 12:40 |
SeH_ | http://www.rael.org/download.php?list.2 err here is the list | 12:41 |
kanzure | any94002353: no, i did not submit any letter *anywhere* | 12:46 |
SeH_ | The Aum Shinrikyo sarin gas attacks in 1995 were a major blow to the otaku culture. In the same year Hideaki Anno directed and wrote what is probably the most controversial anime show ever written, Neon Genesis Evangelion. The Human Instrumentality Project in the Neon Genesis Evangelion franchise is an example of transhumanism with magical means. | 12:49 |
kanzure | where did you find that from? | 12:52 |
gjots | SeH_: is that from one of the raelian books? | 12:52 |
kanzure | maybe this? http://wheerin.com/?page_id=119 | 12:52 |
kanzure | hm the sentences you pasted above SeH_ are from different sources | 12:53 |
SeH_ | kanzure: yes two concatenated sources | 12:53 |
SeH_ | kanzure: ever watch that anime? | 12:53 |
SeH_ | its rumored that Evangelion was used as recruitment material for the Aum Shinrikyo cult | 12:53 |
kanzure | evangelion? yes | 12:53 |
kanzure | ENKI-][: didn't you have an evangelion fetish for a while? | 12:54 |
ENKI-][ | still do | 12:54 |
ENKI-][ | and, SeH_ -- i heard that rumour in the reverse: that gainax bigwigs were involved with the aum shinrikyo | 12:54 |
SeH_ | http://english.aleph.to/ is an offshoot of Aum Shinrikyo that formed after Asahara was jailed, i think | 12:54 |
SeH_ | ENKI-][: yes both ways | 12:54 |
ENKI-][ | but it's not the case | 12:55 |
SeH_ | ENKI-][: that gainax was involved in aum, and made evangelion to induct cult candidates | 12:55 |
ENKI-][ | it may be the case that anno (and possibly others) have undergone occult studies, and i argue for that | 12:55 |
SeH_ | it still doesnt detract from how awesome and deep the anime actually is | 12:55 |
ENKI-][ | however, the word of god says that the occult references in eva are just flash | 12:55 |
ENKI-][ | in any case, the whole thing runs rather counter to aum philosphy | 12:56 |
SeH_ | do you know aum philosophy? | 12:56 |
ENKI-][ | not in depth. i'm aware of it | 12:56 |
ENKI-][ | but if anything, evangelion is a satire of it | 12:57 |
SeH_ | or the philosophy may be so bulletproof that it includes the satire of itself in itself | 12:57 |
SeH_ | ;) | 12:57 |
ENKI-][ | i somewhat doubt it is bulletproof | 12:57 |
SeH_ | bulletproof or complete may be a better word | 12:58 |
ENKI-][ | bulletproof philosophies tend to spread. aum is small even in japan | 12:58 |
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ENKI-][ | i've read the article from newtype that introduced the idea that evangelion and aum were related | 12:58 |
ENKI-][ | but if you're gonna join a cult, even in japan, at least have the decency to join raelianism or something | 12:59 |
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SeH_ | or both | 13:01 |
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kanzure | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhetorical_question_mark#Percontation_point | 16:08 |
kanzure | a rhetorical question mark. hah. | 16:08 |
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fenn | ORLY? | 16:18 |
* fenn punches self in face | 16:18 | |
Juul | isn't that kinda silly? | 16:22 |
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kanzure | fenn: dave and i are preparing the final questions to send over. | 16:24 |
kanzure | anything other than the licensing question about META-II output | 16:24 |
kanzure | i wouldn't be surprised if META-2 performers are just using sysml and that's why it's written in the doc :) | 16:25 |
kanzure | but if they /are/ just using sysml then i should totally write up an offer for that (since META-2 has more money available) | 16:26 |
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Noahj | Hey hplusroadmap | 17:46 |
Noahj | I just got back from fab6, which was pretty cool | 17:46 |
Noahj | There were some DIYbio presentations there | 17:46 |
Noahj | Someone implemented greek logic | 17:46 |
Noahj | Whatever that's called | 17:46 |
Noahj | Which I thought was a bit weird | 17:47 |
kanzure | are there videos? | 17:47 |
Noahj | Yes, but unfortunately they're not centralized yet | 17:47 |
Noahj | http://fablab.23video.com/channel/762537/fab6 | 17:47 |
Noahj | Has most of them, I think | 17:47 |
Noahj | I don't think the good stuff, lectures, etc. is up yet | 17:48 |
Noahj | Since the conference just ended | 17:48 |
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wrldpc2 | greetingseses | 18:25 |
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kanzure | hi wrldpc2_ | 18:36 |
kanzure | how are you? | 18:36 |
wrldpc2_ | well, sir. how are you? | 18:37 |
wrldpc2_ | I see Kurzweil beefing with Chopra. It is good. | 18:37 |
kanzure | i'm doing good. might be up in your area for http://openhardwaresummit.org/ | 18:38 |
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kanzure | http://shareable.net/blog/a-factory-in-every-home | 18:39 |
kanzure | "Want to contribute to the community? Then form or join a team in the competition to build a better RepRap. The Kartik M. Gada Humanitarian Innovation Prize is offering $80,000 for a better RepRap." | 18:40 |
kanzure | hm looks like i have some PR damage control to do | 18:40 |
kanzure | *technically* that money doesn't exist | 18:40 |
kanzure | :x | 18:40 |
epitron | Kartik M. Gada is getting some flames! | 18:42 |
kanzure | he is? | 18:42 |
epitron | well, his name is on the prize | 18:43 |
kanzure | yes but i'm supposedly managing the prize | 18:44 |
epitron | if the money doesn't appear he would be the go-to guy, right? | 18:44 |
kanzure | so that's why i have PR damage control to do | 18:44 |
kanzure | no technically that would be /me/ | 18:44 |
kanzure | >_> | 18:44 |
epitron | right but it's not called the KANZURE INNOVATION PRIZE :) | 18:44 |
kanzure | HIP sounds better than KIP anyway | 18:44 |
epitron | flames are not about proper chains of authority | 18:44 |
kanzure | ah good | 18:44 |
epitron | so you think this guy is going to come through and fund it? | 18:45 |
kanzure | i think it's under my power to change the name of the prize | 18:45 |
kanzure | his plan for funding it is to get other people to donate the prize money | 18:45 |
epitron | haha | 18:45 |
epitron | and put his name on it | 18:45 |
kanzure | yes | 18:45 |
epitron | weirdo | 18:45 |
kanzure | btw the other prize money exists though (the $18k prize) | 18:45 |
epitron | that's a pretty good chunk | 18:46 |
* kanzure nods | 18:46 | |
epitron | you could probably just pay some engineer $18k to design a better reprap :) | 18:46 |
kanzure | presumably humanitarians hate engineers? | 18:46 |
kanzure | or something | 18:46 |
epitron | ahh | 18:47 |
kanzure | but he's a real estate flipper or something so i don't know how humanitarian that makes him | 18:47 |
epitron | that seems to fit the profile | 18:47 |
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epitron | he sounds kinda sketchy if you ask me | 18:48 |
kanzure | says the anonymous irc gangster to the other | 18:48 |
epitron | ^_^ | 18:48 |
fenn | kanzure look what $100k did for the lavaamp project after all | 19:02 |
fenn | gada actually gave a whole talk at foresight conference about why prizes are a better way to fund innovation | 19:03 |
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fenn | note to self: sd cards are slow unless specifically marked "fast" | 19:04 |
kanzure | $100k completely ruined it and destroyed joe's life | 19:15 |
kanzure | yeah, i agree with gada about prizes.. when you have funding for the prize already :) | 19:16 |
kanzure | to his credit, he hasn't begged the reprap community for funding. so that's a plus. | 19:19 |
kanzure | fenn do you have a local copy of opennurbs? | 19:33 |
* fenn bangs his head against the beagleboard over and over | 19:39 | |
kanzure | there's something i'd like you to confirm for me.. | 19:40 |
fenn | plz provide concise instructions | 19:40 |
kanzure | try running opennurbs/example_gl/example_gl with the output of opennurbs/example_brep/example_brep (it's a file, so the parameter to example_gl will be the path to the file that example_brep generates) | 19:40 |
kanzure | and tell me what you think about the visualization | 19:40 |
fenn | 'a download link has been emailed'? wtf | 19:42 |
kanzure | http://files.na.mcneel.com/opennurbs/5.0/2010-04-09/opennurbs_20100409.zip | 19:42 |
kanzure | if that doesn't work try http://files.na.mcneel.com/opennurbs/5.0/2010-04-09/opennurbs_20100409.zip?AWSAccessKeyId=050NWYGC9TWYXMD9YG02&Expires=1281644208&Signature=JKLalzRNpmxXoV7Q4f4LN0qT4t4%3d | 19:43 |
wrldpc2_ | ftr: I'm in Pensacola, FL now for the time being. | 19:43 |
kanzure | is that fort wsomething or gainesville? | 19:44 |
kanzure | jey kottalam is on twister? | 19:54 |
kanzure | er, sifter. i don't know how to refer to it. | 19:55 |
kanzure | "Finally, the PTO doesn't cost taxpayers a dime. It's already fully funded by applicant fees, and in fact Congress often skims off excess fees. In total Congress has taken over $900 million that way. A bill was recently passed to give something like $120 million of that back to the PTO for the purpose of improving its IT systems and hiring more examiners." | 20:02 |
kanzure | fenn: did it work? | 20:02 |
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niftyzero | any opinions about: http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2010/08/ray_kurzweil_does_not_understa.php ? | 20:04 |
niftyzero | ignoring the ad-hominem attacks... | 20:05 |
wrldpc2_ | transhumanitarian engineers | 20:05 |
kanzure | niftyzero: http://www.kurzweilai.net/ray-kurzweil-responds-to-ray-kurzweil-does-not-understand-the-brain | 20:05 |
niftyzero | ooh, missed that | 20:05 |
wrldpc2_ | Chopra vs. Kurzweil, Round 2 FIGHT!! | 20:05 |
wrldpc2_ | I don't know about you guys but I'm taking a lot of pleasure in seeing them go at it. | 20:06 |
niftyzero | I was about to write a blog post refuting the article, but I guess that's not needed anymore | 20:07 |
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kanzure | // use (slow and buggy) glu trimmed NURBS rendering | 20:18 |
kanzure | well that's not encouraging | 20:18 |
fenn | kanzure: help compiling example_gl? am i missing something obviously simple? | 20:19 |
kanzure | what's going wrong? | 20:19 |
fenn | 1) didnt get compiled by 'make', 2) "make examples" doesn't work 3) gcc example_gl.cpp -lglut blah blah blah fucking blah | 20:20 |
fenn | still can't find all the header files | 20:20 |
fenn | and other errors which i dont really get | 20:20 |
kanzure | did you try "make example_gl" | 20:21 |
fenn | example_gl.cpp:220: error: expected ')' before '*' token | 20:21 |
fenn | make: Nothing to be done for `example_gl'. | 20:21 |
kanzure | ohh right | 20:21 |
kanzure | hm let me think, how did i fix this | 20:22 |
kanzure | comment out line 218 | 20:22 |
kanzure | uncomment line 221 | 20:22 |
kanzure | //typedef void (CALLBACK* RHINO_GL_NURBS_ERROR)(...); | 20:22 |
kanzure | typedef void (CALLBACK* RHINO_GL_NURBS_ERROR)(); | 20:22 |
kanzure | and make sure you add #define CALLBACK around that area | 20:23 |
kanzure | before #endif i guess | 20:23 |
fenn | #define CALLBACK what? | 20:24 |
kanzure | just that. | 20:24 |
fenn | example_gl.cpp:459: error: invalid conversion from 'void (*)(...)' to 'void (*)()' | 20:28 |
kanzure | #note: used to have -lglaux on LINK_GL .. changed 2010-08-11-0359 bryan | 20:28 |
kanzure | okay, so apparently i had to fix shit | 20:28 |
fenn | oh i'm using glut | 20:29 |
kanzure | yeah you should use glut | 20:29 |
kanzure | "used to have" means "it once had" | 20:29 |
kanzure | tehe line 459 is related to the RHINO_GL_NURBS_ERROR bullshit | 20:29 |
kanzure | what does your line 459 look like? | 20:29 |
kanzure | well, i guess 458 | 20:30 |
kanzure | i should just do a diff of all this crap | 20:30 |
fenn | // hack to get around C vs C++ type checking trauma | 20:31 |
fenn | RHINO_GL_NURBS_ERROR fn; | 20:31 |
fenn | fn = (RHINO_GL_NURBS_ERROR)myNurbsErrorCallback; | 20:31 |
fenn | gluNurbsCallback( nobj, GLU_ERROR, fn ); | 20:31 |
kanzure | oh btw it's "make gl" | 20:31 |
kanzure | fenn: ok. that looks right. how about around line 220 just to confirm that stuff? | 20:32 |
fenn | #define CALLBACK | 20:36 |
fenn | typedef void (CALLBACK* RHINO_GL_NURBS_ERROR)(...); | 20:36 |
kanzure | no, comment out that typedef line there | 20:36 |
kanzure | this one should be uncommented: typedef void (CALLBACK* RHINO_GL_NURBS_ERROR)(); | 20:36 |
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fenn | ok that worked, now i'm getting a bunch of linker errors | 20:38 |
kanzure | pastie? | 20:38 |
fenn | why is it the 2&>1 thingy never works | 20:39 |
kanzure | 2>&1 | 20:39 |
fenn | i copied libopenNURBS.a to /usr/local/lib and then ran ldconfig | 20:42 |
fenn | gcc example_gl.cpp -lglut -lopenNURBS yields http://pastebin.ca/1921818 | 20:42 |
kanzure | here is my makefile: http://pastebin.ca/1921820 | 20:43 |
kanzure | feel free to diff it against what you have | 20:43 |
kanzure | here is my example_gl.cpp http://pastebin.ca//1921822 | 20:45 |
fenn | rawr | 20:48 |
kanzure | did this do it? | 20:48 |
fenn | 'make gl' was the magic incantation | 20:48 |
kanzure | what about example_brep? | 20:49 |
fenn | okay i see a gray thing with blue jaggy lines and blue square dots scattered around it | 20:51 |
kanzure | is this my_brep.3dm? | 20:51 |
fenn | looks sort of transparent or inside out | 20:51 |
fenn | yeah | 20:51 |
kanzure | use arrow keys to rotate | 20:51 |
kanzure | it's a cube :( | 20:52 |
fenn | yep that's good and fucked | 20:52 |
kanzure | this is what i was hoping to use as a visualizer to step.py but after seeing this, i'm uh not sure | 20:52 |
kanzure | now, if you run example_write/example_write you can point example_gl at example_write/my_mesh_with_material.3dm | 20:53 |
fenn | looks like it's applying the wrong transformation to the patches | 20:54 |
kanzure | has lots of visualization problems too but it's somewhat better? | 20:54 |
kanzure | i'm just confused/sad :( | 20:54 |
kanzure | if you want to see where it does rendering for breps see opennurbs/opennurbs_gl.cpp in particular search for ON_GL then search for ON_Brep (it's one of the 20 something overloads of ON_GL) | 20:55 |
fenn | my_mesh_with_material looks ok | 20:55 |
kanzure | yeah it looks way better but there are definite problems | 20:55 |
kanzure | (try rotating) | 20:56 |
fenn | it's just hitting hte clipping planes | 20:56 |
kanzure | also what's with the weird refresh bullshit whenever you change the view? | 20:56 |
kanzure | meshes seem to render fine: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/screenshots/2010-08-19-python-opengl-opennurbs.png | 20:56 |
fenn | hm, nevermind about clipping planes | 20:57 |
kanzure | i wanted to make sure opennurbs could actually visualize breps before i spent some time fixing up example_gl.py for inclusion with step.py | 20:57 |
kanzure | i'm glad i did | 20:57 |
fenn | if opengl can render nurbs by default then what's the point of opennurbs? | 20:58 |
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kanzure | there are some pyopengl demos here: http://pypi.python.org/packages/source/P/PyOpenGL-Demo/PyOpenGL-Demo-3.0.1b1.zip | 21:00 |
kanzure | there's actually a few nurbs demos that look reasonable in there. | 21:00 |
kanzure | that's a good question. uh. um. | 21:00 |
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kanzure | i guess i was hoping opennurbs would be easier than writing my own set of classes for nurbs and visualization | 21:04 |
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kanzure | "Since Version 2.0 Coin uses a different licence model. It's not longer LGPL. They use GPL for open source and a commercial licence for closed source. That means if you want to sell your work based on FreeCAD (extension modules) you need to purchase a Coin licence! " | 22:17 |
kanzure | ok nevermind the second sentence just sucks | 22:18 |
kanzure | hah.. so, because AIS sucks so much in opencascade | 22:25 |
kanzure | jürgen decided to just use coin3d for visualizing everything in freecad | 22:26 |
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kanzure | "The term spline goes back to the long flexible strips of metal used by draftspersons to lay out the surfaces of airplanes, cars, and ships. "Ducks", weights attached to the splines, were used to pull the spline in various directions." | 23:25 |
kanzure | okay. new action plan is to write my own tessellation algorithm (i should have done this a few days ago) | 23:46 |
kanzure | probably one like opencascade's BRep::Mesher | 23:46 |
kanzure | or Poly::PolygonTriangulation | 23:46 |
kanzure | what? http://projects.opencascade.org/projects/graphperf/homer_3d_occ.jpg | 23:47 |
kanzure | looks like pythonCAD implemented a very simple nurbs class: http://www.koders.com/python/fidA8B25C6E8DCB7531378B3AF5F7886E832D328303.aspx?s=cdef%3Atree+mdef%3Ainsert | 23:50 |
kanzure | (in nurbs.py) | 23:51 |
ybit_ | kanzure: how's the election coming along? | 23:52 |
kanzure | actually i can't decide between that and PyOpenGL-Demo-3.0.1b1/PyOpenGL-Demo/proesch/nurbs/nurbs.py which uses gluNurbsCurve (which simplifies things a lot) | 23:53 |
kanzure | ybit_: i am in 6th place | 23:55 |
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