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| JayDugger | kanzure, BAA: What would you like me to do with the link dump you sent? | 02:39 |
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| kanzure | http://www.hplusmagazine.com/editors-blog/german-transhumanism-haunted-history | 05:56 |
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| kanzure | http://tonybuser.com/cloudscad | 08:58 |
| Utopiah | Neil is a bit idealistic... | 08:59 |
| kanzure | JayDugger: nothing. you just seemed like you wanted links related to it | 09:00 |
| kanzure | technically most smart phones will do opengl these days.. | 09:02 |
| Utopiah | even in developping countries? | 09:31 |
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| kanzure | Utopiah: if they are so-called "smartphones" i think so, yes | 09:52 |
| kanzure | also mesa-gl can run on crap hardware | 09:53 |
| kanzure | especially openscad models which can't be that complex anyway because of the limits of opencsg | 09:53 |
| kanzure | (opencsg rendering limits, i mean) | 09:53 |
| kanzure | but for the record i haven't actually tested this :D | 09:53 |
| Utopiah | Im sure it's technically possible and has great potential, Im just saying his comment is idealistic based on the current availability and usage in such places | 09:54 |
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| Utopiah | Im not even sure you have data contracts there... | 09:55 |
| kanzure | hi dyngnosis | 09:59 |
| dyngnosis | hello there | 09:59 |
| dyngnosis | I just thought I'd pop in and say hello. Im a reverse engineer/software security guy who has recently become interested in biohacking/neuroscience | 10:01 |
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| kanzure | dyngnosis: cool :) | 10:03 |
| kanzure | neurosecurity is going to be big :P | 10:03 |
| dyngnosis | a potential major road block even :)... good SKDB talk in the topic btw | 10:05 |
| kanzure | thank you! i've been playing around with nurbs stuff today | 10:06 |
| kanzure | actually, may i ask, what sort of software reverse engineering do you do | 10:06 |
| kanzure | windows? linux? | 10:07 |
| dyngnosis | I do both. For work I do a lot of binary diffing to find behavioural differences in patched/unpatched systems when a network service is involved. | 10:08 |
| kanzure | ah | 10:08 |
| kanzure | i've been interested in hacking out functionality from the solidworks dll files for a while, mostly for the heck of it | 10:08 |
| dyngnosis | But I've been using gdb with binnavi for a while now so Im comfortable doing elf binaries and macho as well | 10:08 |
| kanzure | and extracting an AES key out of the emotiv epoc software for unencrypting the bluetooth eeg data | 10:09 |
| dyngnosis | I'd take a look at pydbg if I were you | 10:09 |
| kanzure | hm | 10:09 |
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| dyngnosis | a great book called Gray Hat Python will walk you through writing a custom debugger in windows in about 30 lines of code... basically you want to attach to the process, hook the APIs that have your info, read the memory addresses and detach | 10:10 |
| dyngnosis | I'd be happy to help it infact. | 10:11 |
| kanzure | you (and QuantumG) might find this humerous | 10:12 |
| kanzure | humorous | 10:12 |
| kanzure | i was doing some python/ctypes stuff to investigate some symbols in a set of dll files | 10:12 |
| kanzure | but since it's all dll, and i'm linux only, i had to run python under wine | 10:12 |
| dyngnosis | we're talking about decrypting the bluetooth eeg stream data with an AES key right? You're not cracking the s/w? | 10:12 |
| kanzure | figuring out all of the required parameters is rather difficult without api docs >_< | 10:12 |
| dyngnosis | kanzure, baha.. now that is funny :) | 10:13 |
| kanzure | dyngnosis: well presumably the emotiv epoc exe has the key inside of it, otherwise how is it decrypting the data? | 10:13 |
| dyngnosis | kanzure, I can throw it in IDA pro and dissassemble it for you if you like | 10:13 |
| kanzure | okay, cool | 10:13 |
| kanzure | i might send you the files in a bit. one of my servers is down though so some files might not be available for "a while" | 10:13 |
| dyngnosis | Ok, how much is this hw btw? I've been considering an eeg for a while but I didnt want to buy something I'd regret later (I need to do a lot more research I think.. for example, can an @home eeg read P300?) | 10:15 |
| kanzure | $300 | 10:17 |
| kanzure | a friend shipped his to me so that i could play around with it. i was under the impression that it was much more costly | 10:18 |
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| kanzure | but when the shipping center/store asked me how much to insure it for, i looked it up and was disappointed on the cost | 10:18 |
| kanzure | i mean, disappointed in a good way | 10:18 |
| dyngnosis | hah seriously... 14 chan eeg? | 10:19 |
| dyngnosis | how is the sensitiviy? | 10:19 |
| kanzure | awful | 10:19 |
| dyngnosis | thats what i was worried about | 10:19 |
| kanzure | i don't have any measurements for you (i should have bought a logic analyzer or oscillator) | 10:19 |
| dyngnosis | if Im going to be doing research I don't want to worry about the data being wrong because of bad contact | 10:19 |
| kanzure | but i tried it out on someone else's windows computer and did some of the training.. was not amused with it at all. | 10:20 |
| dyngnosis | I think I may go the OpenEEG/cap+goop method | 10:20 |
| kanzure | oh, the contacts are ok | 10:20 |
| kanzure | i can't seem to find anything called 'behavi' | 10:21 |
| dyngnosis | behavi? | 10:22 |
| kanzure | oh, binnavi | 10:22 |
| kanzure | huge difference. sorry | 10:22 |
| dyngnosis | www.zynamics.com/binnavi.html | 10:22 |
| kanzure | easy to find once i have the right name :x | 10:23 |
| dyngnosis | hehe | 10:23 |
| kanzure | what's with the whitebeard on http://pedram.redhive.com/PyDbg/docs/ | 10:23 |
| dyngnosis | hehe that is PaiMei | 10:24 |
| dyngnosis | pydbg is a part of PaiMei | 10:24 |
| dyngnosis | PaiMei is a reverse engineering framework. pydbg is a component of it. PIDA is another part (it deals with the exporting the IDA Pro dissassebly into a mysql database that PaiMei works with) | 10:25 |
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| kanzure | http://www.rhino3d.com/nurbs.htm a reasonable overview (a "lost-and-then-found-again" link) | 11:25 |
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| kanzure | "Of course, a lot of interesting-shaped objects couldn't be drawn with just these simple tools, because they had curved parts that weren't just circles or ellipses. Often, a curve was needed that went smoothly through a number of predetermined points." | 11:33 |
| kanzure | "This problem was particularly acute in shipbuilding: although a skilled artist or draftsman could reliably hand-draw such curves on a drafting table, shipbuilders often needed to make life-size (or nearly life-size) drawings, where the sheer size of the required curves made hand drawing impossible." | 11:33 |
| kanzure | "Because of their great size, such drawings were often done in the loft area of a large building, by a specialist known as a loftsman. To aid in the task, the loftsman would employ long, thin, flexible strips of wood, plastic, or metal, called splines. The splines were held in place with lead weights, called ducks because of their resemblance to the feathered creature of the same name (see Figure 1)." | 11:34 |
| kanzure | ^that was from http://www.mactech.com/articles/develop/issue_25/schneider.html | 11:34 |
| kanzure | loftsmen. heh | 11:34 |
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| niftyzero | does anybody know what's the name of the cell machinery that compares 3 strands of DNA and does a majority vote? | 11:59 |
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| fenn | niftyzero: such a thing doesn't exist | 14:26 |
| fenn | "redundant array of inexpensive DNA" | 14:27 |
| niftyzero | ah, maybe I misremembered | 14:27 |
| Utopiah | http://www.ebooksx.com/Handbook-of-Algorithms-for-Physical-Design-Automation_180476.html | 14:27 |
| fenn | deinococcus radiodurans does some interesting stuff with multiple genomes | 14:27 |
| fenn | also if you are thinking about synthesis error correction, church(?) wrote some papers about using slow annealing.. well i cant remember any keywords, sorry | 14:29 |
| fenn | check the logs :P | 14:29 |
| niftyzero | is this room logged? | 14:29 |
| Utopiah | yes | 14:30 |
| niftyzero | hm... it should say so in the topic | 14:32 |
| niftyzero | but anyway, where are the logs? | 14:32 |
| niftyzero | fenn, thank you for the radiodurans pointer | 14:34 |
| Utopiah | http://gnusha.org/logs/ | 14:35 |
| niftyzero | thanks :) | 14:36 |
| * Utopiah refrained from saying that the URL to the log was in the log too | 14:37 | |
| niftyzero | that would have caused the logs to grow without bound | 14:38 |
| niftyzero | not | 14:38 |
| kanzure | wtf is lion kimbro doing showing up in my wxPython search results? | 14:39 |
| kanzure | http://wiki.wxpython.org/wxOGL | 14:39 |
| * niftyzero is wget --mirror | 14:39 | |
| kanzure | "You have 5 friends in common with lion kimbro: danila medvedev, jay standish, michel bauwens, patri friedman, suresh fernando" | 14:40 |
| kanzure | does anyone know how to do an opengl canvas in wxpython without relying on the wx.EVT_PAINT event binder? | 14:42 |
| kanzure | the code here seems to render with black lines that move all over the object when i'm resizing the window or rotating the objects: http://showmedo.com/videotutorials/video?name=1510030&fromSeriesID=151 | 14:50 |
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| kanzure | aha, double buffering fixed my flickering problems nicely | 15:00 |
| kanzure | "By default double buffering is not enabled, which will most likely cause flicker. To enable double buffering pass attribList=[wx.glcanvas.WX_GL_DOUBLEBUFFER] to the GLCanvas constructor." | 15:00 |
| kanzure | ^from http://www.siafoo.net/article/58 | 15:00 |
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| kanzure | wish i would have done this sooner.. i'm doing a tiny wxpython/pyopengl visualizer for typing in nurbs objects in an interpreter and seeing their immediate visualization so that i can make sure i'm getting the right general shapes for things | 15:35 |
| kanzure | i really have no idea how to mentally intuit the number of control points, their positions, their weights, and the number of knots and their ordering or repetitions, to get a desired shape | 15:36 |
| kanzure | shepazu: i've been playing around with bezier curves in inkscape and it seems to store beziers as svg:path elements? | 15:50 |
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| kanzure | huh this is a little unexpected | 18:26 |
| kanzure | http://octave.sourceforge.net/nurbs/function/nrbcylind.html | 18:26 |
| kanzure | maybe i'll use octave modules or port over the meat-and-potato | 18:26 |
| kanzure | http://octave.sourceforge.net/nurbs/overview.html#OperationsforconstructingNURBScurvesandsurfaces | 18:27 |
| kanzure | NRBCYLIND: Construct a cylinder or cylindrical patch. | 18:27 |
| kanzure | NRBEXTRUDE: Construct a NURBS surface by extruding a NURBS curve. | 18:27 |
| kanzure | NRBREVOLVE: Construct a NURBS surface by revolving a NURBS curve. | 18:27 |
| kanzure | "Note NURBS surfaces cannot be extruded." wah | 18:28 |
| kanzure | this is also some good stuff: | 18:40 |
| kanzure | http://k3d.hg.sourceforge.net/hgweb/k3d/k3d/file/a914667d17df/modules/nurbs | 18:40 |
| kanzure | http://k3d.hg.sourceforge.net/hgweb/k3d/k3d/file/a914667d17df/modules/nurbs_sources | 18:41 |
| kanzure | like: http://k3d.hg.sourceforge.net/hgweb/k3d/k3d/file/a914667d17df/modules/nurbs_sources/cylinder.cpp | 18:41 |
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| epitron | you were making nurbs surfaces by hand?! :) | 19:29 |
| epitron | and trying to visualize them? | 19:29 |
| kanzure | yes | 19:33 |
| kanzure | i've been writing a STEP exporter in python | 19:34 |
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| kanzure | and nobody is going to use it if they can't see what they are making | 19:34 |
| kanzure | so i need a quick way to visualize the STEP objects | 19:34 |
| kanzure | i've tried a few dead ends already so now i'm just trying to figure out a visualizer that doesn't suck (opennurbs has an awful visualizer) | 19:35 |
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| QuantumG | do you at least have a line-based visualizer? | 19:37 |
| QuantumG | wireframe | 19:38 |
| kanzure | no that comes with the visualizer i'm working on at the moment | 19:39 |
| kanzure | in opengl it's pretty easy to switch between wireframe and "solid"/texture/thingy | 19:39 |
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| kanzure | huh otyp on kickstarter passed their goal? | 21:03 |
| kanzure | http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/peyer/hello-world-modern-biotechnology-for-high-schools | 21:03 |
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| kanzure | hi genehacker | 21:26 |
| genehacker | hello | 21:26 |
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| kanzure | "Right now I'm investigating using OpenSCAD or stl2pov to generate multiple thumbnail images at different angles and using javascript to do a fake object spin, which is pretty fast." | 22:10 |
| kanzure | i don't think that's a good idea.. | 22:10 |
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| drazak | kanzure: do you have calc2 notes in a readable format? | 23:04 |
| kanzure | no, not readable | 23:05 |
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| kanzure | when i was in high school sometimes my calculus class sounded like a massive wall of text | 23:11 |
| kanzure | http://web.archive.org/web/20080517013714/heybryan.org/school/Calculus/2007-11-13.html | 23:11 |
| kanzure | http://web.archive.org/web/20080517014446/heybryan.org/school/Calculus/2008-01-30.html | 23:13 |
| drazak | holyshit | 23:13 |
| drazak | perhaps I should take some better more readable notes, no? | 23:14 |
| kanzure | here's all of my notes from my second year calculus class: | 23:15 |
| kanzure | http://web.archive.org/web/20080515043608/http://heybryan.org/school/Calculus/Calculus_BC_review.html | 23:15 |
| kanzure | i kept saying i would learn to type latex in real time but i never did.. you should try it. | 23:15 |
| drazak | nah, I'll just make mathematica notebooks and export to latex | 23:15 |
| kanzure | btw those were just two extreme examples :) the rest is somewhat legible | 23:18 |
| kanzure | http://web.archive.org/web/*sr_1nr_10/http://heybryan.org/school/Calculus/* | 23:18 |
| drazak | if I stay concentrated and do screw off and do other thigns I can probably take good notes | 23:20 |
| kanzure | note taking in mathematics classes is mostly useless- at least for generic courses like basic calculus.. | 23:21 |
| kanzure | frankly, most of the teachers just follow a theorem-and-now-some-examples pattern that is splattered all over the web | 23:21 |
| clemux | I typed latex in real time, during my last 6 months of high school | 23:55 |
| clemux | on an EeePC | 23:55 |
| clemux | this is not nice for fingers/hands. | 23:56 |
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| kanzure | clemux: i can't imagine anything anyone in here does with their hands is healthy | 23:57 |
| clemux | ahah :) | 23:57 |
| clemux | didn't type math though | 23:58 |
| kanzure | typing especially.. | 23:58 |
| clemux | only physics/chemistry, and all text-only subjects | 23:58 |
| kanzure | yeah, i did that too.. if my server is up i'd show you some stuff. | 23:58 |
| kanzure | like my biology classes: http://web.archive.org/web/20071128063401/http://heybryan.org/school/Biology/notes/output.html | 23:59 |
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