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| JayDugger | Good morning, everyone. | 07:49 |
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| kanzure | hm zach made keyboard pants? http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:589 | 11:30 |
| kanzure | i was trying to find the 3D printed keyboard project | 11:31 |
| kanzure | didn't someone print out a set of keys for his keyboard? | 11:31 |
| kanzure | hrm what is DARPA SN-10-67? | 11:46 |
| kanzure | https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity&mode=form&id=684398643dcaf562dcd150f7e485144d&tab=core&_cview=0 | 11:46 |
| kanzure | https://www.schafertmd.com/conference/adaptivemake/registration.php | 11:47 |
| jrayhawk | "Unfortunately it was impossible to solder traces on, and it was equally hard to use conductive thread to join the traces. After a bit of fussing, I abandoned the idea of having a fully functional keyboard and just went for style points. Interestingly enough, the left side of the keyboard still works (its attached to the USB cord still)" | 12:08 |
| jrayhawk | i wonder why he didn't just use two keyboards? | 12:08 |
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| kanzure | "bs3_surface_degree_u Gets the spline degree in the u direction. " aroo? | 13:33 |
| kanzure | huh? is this dassault? http://doc.spatial.com/index.php/Main_Page | 13:34 |
| kanzure | "RADF R3, a web-enabled development platform, accelerates the development of desktop and cloud-based engineering software applications. CGM, a 3D geometric modeler, provides native interoperability with Dassault Systèmes V5 products." | 13:35 |
| kanzure | http://www.spatial.com/products/radf-3d-development | 13:35 |
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| fenn | hmm don't i have talk materials about qs stuff online somewhere | 14:16 |
| fenn | jrayhawk: that's what i'm doing, cutting two keyboards in half and throwing half of each one away | 14:22 |
| fenn | they're like $4 each | 14:22 |
| fenn | silicone keyboards suck anyway | 14:22 |
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| jrayhawk | USB or bluetooth? | 14:41 |
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| kanzure | http://www.boingboing.net/2010/08/25/itty-bitty-hydroponi.html | 14:57 |
| kanzure | "The Micro Grow Project's LabBox Grower is a small automated hyrdoponic growing system that uses a microcontroller to automates watering cycles, light schedules, and temperatures. It can be controlled and monitored via the Web or mobile phone, and can tweet about its condition. " | 14:57 |
| kanzure | http://pocketgrow.com/microgrow/ | 14:59 |
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| kanzure | these nurbs are making me angry http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRaLpHoZA8E | 16:04 |
| QuantumG | as long as they're not making you thirsty | 16:05 |
| kanzure | these data structures make **no** sense | 16:06 |
| QuantumG | which ones in particular? | 16:06 |
| kanzure | who the hell makes a 3D coordinate out of a single fucking integer | 16:06 |
| QuantumG | how do you even do that? | 16:06 |
| QuantumG | 'cept, maybe, by indexing | 16:06 |
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| kanzure | QuantumG: that's what i thought | 16:06 |
| kanzure | except that the first index is a value between 1 and 4 | 16:07 |
| kanzure | and then there are two more depths in the array | 16:07 |
| QuantumG | uh huh.. why don't you just go study the math and write code that isn't wacky? | 16:07 |
| kanzure | def __init__(self, p00 = [-.5,-.5], p01 = [.5, -.5], p10 = [-.5, .5], p11 = [.5, .5]): | 16:07 |
| kanzure | coefs = Numeric.zeros((4,2,2), Numeric.Float) | 16:08 |
| kanzure | coefs[3,:,:] = Numeric.ones((2,2), Numeric.Float) | 16:08 |
| kanzure | and eventually: Srf.__init__(self, coefs, [0.,0.,1.,1.], [0., 0., 1., 1.]) (for a different __init__) | 16:08 |
| kanzure | but then: (dim, nu, nv) = cntrl.shape | 16:08 |
| kanzure | if dim < 2 or dim > 4: raise NURBSError, 'Illegal control point format' | 16:08 |
| kanzure | elif dim < 4: self.cntrl = Numeric.zeros((4, nu, nv), Numeric.Float); self.cntrl[0:dim,:,:] = cntrl; self.cntrl[-1,:,:] = Numeric.ones((nu,nv), Numeric.Float) | 16:09 |
| kanzure | so uh, any idea what that ctrl[0] to ctrl[4] is about? | 16:09 |
| QuantumG | control points no doubt | 16:09 |
| kanzure | the comments say: "dim is the dimension valid options are: 2 .... (x,y) 2D cartesian coordinates; 3 .... (x,y,z) 3D cartesian coordinates; 4 .... (wx,wy,wz,w) 4D homogeneous coordinates" | 16:09 |
| kanzure | was this guy using cntrl[0][A] as a way to reference the "x" value of coord A? | 16:11 |
| kanzure | code is here: http://runten.tripod.com/NURBS/Nurbs-0.1.zip | 16:12 |
| kanzure | in Nurbs-0.1/Nurbs/Srf.py | 16:12 |
| QuantumG | I'll never understand why you're obsessed with using other people's code when you could more quickly code something that isn't stupid. :) | 16:13 |
| kanzure | (in case anyone is wondering yes that's a tripod.com site and this is a terrible mistake on my part) | 16:13 |
| kanzure | partly because there's a huge difference between (1) math documents that try to "explain" it | 16:13 |
| kanzure | and (2) stuff that actually works | 16:13 |
| kanzure | for instance, none of the docs actually explain how to calculate the degree of a nurbs object | 16:13 |
| kanzure | but for some reason that's present in this file | 16:13 |
| kanzure | and it seems to contradict half of the crap i've read | 16:14 |
| kanzure | but it works.. | 16:14 |
| kanzure | in truth i'm actually reimplementing it on my own- i could just import these classes and get on with it, but i don't like this guy's code at all | 16:14 |
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| QuantumG | yeah, until you've coded it you don't understand it | 16:16 |
| kanzure | p11 = [.5, .5]; coefs[0:len(p11),1,1] = p11 | 16:19 |
| kanzure | there's a diagram with p11 clearly labeled in a corner of an ascii square | 16:20 |
| kanzure | so coefs[0:len(p11)] is suggesting to me that he's using coefs as a list where 0=x, 1=y, 2=z, 3=w (w is an optional weight in nurbsland) | 16:21 |
| kanzure | but why would anyone _do_ that | 16:21 |
| QuantumG | maybe he copied it from some other code | 16:21 |
| kanzure | heh | 16:21 |
| kanzure | wait, no i think i have this wrong again? | 16:24 |
| kanzure | "p11 - 3D coordinate of the corner point" | 16:29 |
| kanzure | p11 = [.5, .5] | 16:29 |
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| kanzure | http://www.wired.com/beyond_the_beyond/2010/07/whats-the-definition-of-open-source-hardware/ | 21:59 |
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| kanzure | hi [X-Pro]Endos | 22:20 |
| [X-Pro]Endos | hey kanzure | 22:21 |
| [X-Pro]Endos | just curious but, do you have an overseeing PI for your project? | 22:22 |
| [X-Pro]Endos | or is this completely independent? | 22:22 |
| kanzure | independent.. but for a while i was working in a lab on a very similar project | 22:24 |
| [X-Pro]Endos | the biofuel project i was working on had to have a PI because the school wouldn't let us touch chemicals without some sort of supervising professor | 22:25 |
| [X-Pro]Endos | and ultimately didn't work out because some government grant was supporting a company in north carolina to go take all of the used vegetable oil from a ton of restaraunts and ship it to their processing facility... but yeah lol, it's not at all analogous to your project | 22:27 |
| [X-Pro]Endos | i think it's an extremely fascinating project | 22:27 |
| kanzure | i was doing a vegetable oil collection project on campus once.. it was biofuel related | 22:27 |
| [X-Pro]Endos | do you plan to pursue a PhD? or are you going to just try to work on it full time | 22:28 |
| kanzure | i'm not in school at the moment | 22:28 |
| [X-Pro]Endos | ahh, i didn't know | 22:28 |
| [X-Pro]Endos | working on this full time now? | 22:29 |
| kanzure | pretty much. "work" :) | 22:29 |
| [X-Pro]Endos | seems like a worthwhile venture | 22:30 |
| [X-Pro]Endos | do you plan on capitalizing on this at some point? | 22:31 |
| kanzure | world domination | 22:31 |
| [X-Pro]Endos | probably not yet ;) lol | 22:31 |
| [X-Pro]Endos | lol | 22:31 |
| kanzure | well, skdb is supposed to be all open source | 22:33 |
| [X-Pro]Endos | medialab is just a bunch of artists who were engineering majors because they were too afraid of being broke | 22:49 |
| [X-Pro]Endos | they're not real engineers, and their technical capacities are sub-par | 22:49 |
| genehacker | you know the medialab folk? | 22:51 |
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| [X-Pro]Endos | yeah | 23:04 |
| [X-Pro]Endos | a few of them | 23:04 |
| [X-Pro]Endos | my gf is going there this upcoming year lol, so i'll get to know a lot more of them | 23:04 |
| genehacker | so do you have access to the MIT fablab? | 23:07 |
| [X-Pro]Endos | via proxy of my gf yes | 23:08 |
| [X-Pro]Endos | i'll get to see their new glass hamster cage next month when i visit her | 23:08 |
| genehacker | glass hamster cage? | 23:08 |
| [X-Pro]Endos | their new building has so much glass you can see through the building to the building next to it at certain parts | 23:09 |
| genehacker | as in a "fish tank" | 23:09 |
| [X-Pro]Endos | yeah | 23:09 |
| genehacker | so what's your major? | 23:09 |
| [X-Pro]Endos | i'm a grad student studying chemistry | 23:09 |
| genehacker | I see | 23:10 |
| kanzure | (in other words he's completely crazy) | 23:10 |
| genehacker | so he does fluorine chemistry? | 23:10 |
| [X-Pro]Endos | lol | 23:10 |
| [X-Pro]Endos | i'm studying theoretical chemistry | 23:11 |
| genehacker | do you do any computational chemistry ? | 23:14 |
| [X-Pro]Endos | yes | 23:14 |
| [X-Pro]Endos | a lot | 23:14 |
| [X-Pro]Endos | metadynamics and coarse graining | 23:14 |
| kanzure | charmm! chemkin! dalton! gamess! | 23:16 |
| kanzure | ok i'm running out of crappy names | 23:16 |
| genehacker | I'm a mechanical engineering student so I'm not familar with those? | 23:16 |
| * genehacker is trying to evolve some virtual creatures and hoping to get something that might work in the real world | 23:20 | |
| [X-Pro]Endos | ahhh | 23:20 |
| [X-Pro]Endos | i'm interested in doing something like that at some point | 23:20 |
| genehacker | hmm... this doesn't look good | 23:20 |
| [X-Pro]Endos | more like microbacteria like mitochondria but they have a genetic update procedure | 23:20 |
| [X-Pro]Endos | (I've used gromacs, charmm, and namd mostly) | 23:21 |
| genehacker | are you hoping to make better mitochondria than mother nature? | 23:21 |
| [X-Pro]Endos | not exactly | 23:21 |
| [X-Pro]Endos | the idea is that eventually it will be possible to express new genes to stimulate the process cell differentiation all over again | 23:22 |
| [X-Pro]Endos | effectively making our cells regenerate | 23:22 |
| [X-Pro]Endos | (there's a jelly fish that does this and it lives forever unless it is mechanically killed) | 23:23 |
| [X-Pro]Endos | i don't think this would make humans live forever | 23:23 |
| [X-Pro]Endos | but the idea is to kind of have a reset button for genetic damage | 23:23 |
| genehacker | I think someone came in here and wanted to do something similar to that | 23:23 |
| [X-Pro]Endos | long before i do that though i would like to use it to deliver gene therapy | 23:24 |
| genehacker | you might also implement something like deinococcus radiotolerans radiation repair mechanism | 23:24 |
| kanzure | hah, yes someone did come in here abuot that | 23:25 |
| kanzure | except he thought he could just eat jellyfish and then live forever | 23:25 |
| kanzure | or some shit like that | 23:25 |
| [X-Pro]Endos | seriously? | 23:26 |
| [X-Pro]Endos | lmao | 23:26 |
| [X-Pro]Endos | that's what the european researcher who discovered the animal thinks he can do | 23:26 |
| [X-Pro]Endos | he takes supplements of this antioxidant they found in it | 23:26 |
| [X-Pro]Endos | personally i think he's just dumb | 23:26 |
| kanzure | http://gnusha.org/logs/2010-07-03.log | 23:26 |
| kanzure | http://gnusha.org/logs/2010-07-04.log | 23:26 |
| kanzure | 06:41 < brunsgenus> Well, I was wanting to know what you all thought about taking the DNA of Turritopsis dohrnii and implementing it on a person using viral treatment? | 23:27 |
| [X-Pro]Endos | ahhh i hate windows text formatting! | 23:27 |
| kanzure | oh wait, he suggested viral gene therapy | 23:27 |
| genehacker | wait really? | 23:28 |
| genehacker | the research takes supplements like that | 23:28 |
| [X-Pro]Endos | the researcher | 23:28 |
| [X-Pro]Endos | he personally believes it will make him live longer | 23:28 |
| [X-Pro]Endos | my friend was thinking about working for him as a grad student | 23:28 |
| [X-Pro]Endos | and told me about him | 23:28 |
| [X-Pro]Endos | lol | 23:29 |
| [X-Pro]Endos | the problem with implementing another dna repair mechanism is expression and the fact that you can't get rid of the other human repair mechanisms | 23:29 |
| genehacker | that makes sense | 23:29 |
| [X-Pro]Endos | if you have a double-strand break, the normal mechanism of just inserting random nucleotides will take hold | 23:29 |
| kanzure | i'm not sure it's a dna repair mechanism issue | 23:29 |
| [X-Pro]Endos | plus strand breaks aren't the only issues | 23:30 |
| [X-Pro]Endos | you have methylated nucleotides | 23:30 |
| [X-Pro]Endos | halogenated nucleotides | 23:30 |
| kanzure | it was my understanding it was more about developmental biology | 23:30 |
| kanzure | where the jellyfish revert in their life to some previous developmental form | 23:30 |
| [X-Pro]Endos | yeah | 23:30 |
| [X-Pro]Endos | it is | 23:30 |
| [X-Pro]Endos | but the cells go through the process of differentiation all over again | 23:31 |
| [X-Pro]Endos | which causes them to revert | 23:31 |
| [X-Pro]Endos | (them being the organisms, not the cells) | 23:32 |
| [X-Pro]Endos | but yes the cells do too... lol | 23:32 |
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