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| joshcryer | kanzure, what makes you think I just pick technologies at random? | 00:17 |
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| QuantumG | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crookes_radiometer they don't work in hard vacuum | 00:31 |
| QuantumG | Gregory S. Chirikjian must not be aware of that. http://www.niac.usra.edu/files/studies/final_report/880Chirikjian.pdf | 00:32 |
| joshcryer | this is hilarious | 00:32 |
| QuantumG | In the case of a radiometer, energy production and storage take place in the same unit, and electricity is siphoned off using a generator in a continuous fashion. | 00:34 |
| QuantumG | it sounds so sexy .. shame 10 seconds of reading wikipedia invalidates it. | 00:34 |
| joshcryer | I knew though that the effect was not due to light but pressure differential. | 00:34 |
| joshcryer | But it's embarrassing how you overlook something like that. | 00:34 |
| joshcryer | Glad you dug more QuantumG. | 00:35 |
| joshcryer | If I wrote the paper I'd use sterling engines and solar fields initially, then something like liquid sulpher later on. | 00:37 |
| joshcryer | All concentrated solar though. | 00:37 |
| joshcryer | s/and solar/for solar | 00:38 |
| QuantumG | of course, there's no reason why you couldn't build a nice glass tube on the Moon and fill it with a suitable gas extracted from lunar regolith. | 00:38 |
| QuantumG | yeah, then you only have to make mirrors | 00:38 |
| joshcryer | This is very true, but then your energy calculation goes up big time since refining glass silicon is very energy intensive. | 00:38 |
| joshcryer | A guy found a really really easy process to make mirrors using lunar regolith. | 00:39 |
| QuantumG | so how to do you make mirrors (at all or) from lunar regolith? | 00:39 |
| QuantumG | name? url? :) | 00:39 |
| joshcryer | http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2008/09jul_moonscope/ | 00:39 |
| joshcryer | One caveat. | 00:39 |
| joshcryer | You get refined aluminum from Earth for their process. | 00:39 |
| joshcryer | So... | 00:39 |
| joshcryer | Use that process, but refine the aluminum there. | 00:40 |
| QuantumG | indeed | 00:40 |
| joshcryer | (the real info is at the bottom of the page after more info) | 00:40 |
| QuantumG | being that all the parts are aluminium | 00:40 |
| joshcryer | Ahh, right, there's also an epoxy that needs to be made. | 00:41 |
| QuantumG | http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2008AAS...212.2507C | 00:43 |
| QuantumG | polished aluminium not good enough? | 00:43 |
| joshcryer | Ahhhh | 00:43 |
| joshcryer | I remember why I don't have this paper now. | 00:44 |
| joshcryer | Mark Friedenbach knows the guy who was involved in that and was supposed to help me. | 00:44 |
| joshcryer | But he got married and disappeared from the internet. | 00:44 |
| QuantumG | k, gotta run | 00:45 |
| joshcryer | hahahaha | 00:45 |
| joshcryer | Later. | 00:45 |
| joshcryer | (SpaceX Dragon Oct. 23.) | 00:45 |
| joshcryer | (the epoxy is used to bond the regolith) | 00:49 |
| joshcryer | But then there's that other guy who talked about baking regolith into nice hardened stuff, but I forgot that source and don't feel like finding it. | 00:50 |
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| Utopiah | http://www.mindviewslabs.com founded to automate the design, analysis, and manufacture of new products and systems. | 03:05 |
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| kanzure | "The FBI has received your Freedom of Information Act/Privacy (FOI/PA) request and it will be forwarded to the Work Process Unit for review. Your request will be processed under the provisions of FOI/PA and a response will be mailed to you at a later date." | 08:14 |
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| mheld | anybedy here ever write a patent disclosure? | 08:27 |
| splicer | kanzure: what's that about? | 08:28 |
| splicer | ah... you requested records | 08:34 |
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| kanzure | modern science map | 09:05 |
| kanzure | http://crispian-jago.blogspot.com/2010/08/modern-science-map.html | 09:05 |
| kanzure | http://www.crispian.net/ScienceMapv0.37.png | 09:05 |
| kanzure | warning: huge image | 09:05 |
| kanzure | hm some of the more modern names aren't completely accurate | 09:06 |
| kanzure | i mean, he's missing a lot and only knows about i.e. michio kaku because kaku plasters his name everywhere | 09:07 |
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| kanzure | http://blog.opensocial.org/2010/08/eureka-lockheed-martin-contributes.html | 09:48 |
| kanzure | "Lockheed Martin Corporation recently announced the release of its first open source software initiative around social media called Eureka Streams. Eureka Streams is a social media platform that integrates activity streams and OpenSocial apps. Lockheed Martin has spent the past several years growing a strategy of Social Software within the Enterprise to bring widely distributed employees together." | 09:48 |
| kanzure | :( | 09:48 |
| kanzure | can't they release something, uh, not related to social media? | 09:48 |
| kanzure | http://eurekastreams.org/ | 09:49 |
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| kanzure | where did diybio-leuven go? | 10:30 |
| kanzure | hm that was probably len and meredith | 10:31 |
| bkero | http://www.27bslash6.com/AGL.html nice | 10:36 |
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| drazak | kanzure: do you have any organic chemistry lab manuals? | 11:04 |
| drazak | kanzure: I don't think my bopoks from you are complete | 11:04 |
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| kanzure | a step-by-step introduction to creative commons http://www.aliprandi.org/cc-user-guide/ (i.e. for content creators) | 11:14 |
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| kanzure | hi dustbin | 12:24 |
| dustbin | hey brian | 12:24 |
| bkero | Oh hey, my friend wrote that. :) | 12:29 |
| kanzure | bkero: which one? | 12:30 |
| kanzure | drazak: probably but even if i did there's no real way for me to get it to you in any reasonable amount of time | 12:30 |
| bkero | kanzure: the cc for content creators guide | 12:30 |
| kanzure | i wish i had a cogent linkup | 12:31 |
| drazak | kanzure: I can wait | 12:31 |
| drazak | kanzure: you I'll pay shipping to and from you for the drive with all the books (how big is it?) | 12:31 |
| kanzure | a terabyte drive should be enough, preferably usb/external | 12:31 |
| kanzure | it should cost something like $80 with shipping | 12:32 |
| bkero | kanzure: cogent is balls | 12:33 |
| drazak | I meant for you to ship me the drive, I'd copy stuff off, and then ship it back to you | 12:33 |
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| bkero | Aren't you both on i2 lines? | 12:35 |
| drazak | i2? | 12:35 |
| drazak | I have several connections availible to me | 12:35 |
| drazak | I have a dedicated 100/100 on my server | 12:35 |
| drazak | locally I have a dedicated 10/10 and a 15/3 | 12:35 |
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| kanzure | i want one | 12:42 |
| kanzure | http://www.missilebases.com/properties | 12:42 |
| bkero | Most universities are connected through an internet link called i2. | 12:42 |
| klafka | most i2 only exists on the academic side of college campuses | 12:48 |
| bkero | Never seen one that didn't NOT route any traffic capable through i2. | 12:49 |
| kanzure | double negative | 12:51 |
| klafka | they put a lot of restirctions on i2 when the i2hub was big | 12:52 |
| klafka | maybe they've since eased up on them | 12:52 |
| klafka | i2hub used a vast amount of numerous colleges bandwidth | 12:52 |
| klafka | for like 1? 2? years | 12:53 |
| bkero | For universities, i2 is free | 12:54 |
| bkero | Compared to paying for commodity bandwidth | 12:54 |
| kanzure | http://2010.gogbot.nl/ "The GOGBOT Festival in the Netherlands features from September 9-12, with a focus on Nanotech, Biotech and Transhumanism." | 13:00 |
| kanzure | http://www.nanoforum.org/ "Bionics and Nanotech International Forum takes place on September 30 in Barranquilla, Colombia. Featured talks cover transhumanism and human enhancement." | 13:01 |
| kanzure | http://www.transhumanism-spirituality.org/ '"Transhumanism and Spirituality" is the theme for this year's Mormon Transhumanist Association conference at the University of Utah on October 1st." | 13:01 |
| kanzure | http://lifeextensionconference.com/ | 13:01 |
| kanzure | http://poptech.org/ october 20-23 | 13:01 |
| kanzure | http://transvision2010.wordpress.com/ october 22-24 in milan, italy | 13:02 |
| kanzure | http://hplussummit.com/ hplus summit LA 2010 november 5-7 | 13:02 |
| klafka | LOL | 13:03 |
| klafka | mormon transhumanist association | 13:03 |
| klafka | bizarre | 13:03 |
| kanzure | it's real :) | 13:03 |
| kanzure | .. and actually more active than humanityplus.org | 13:04 |
| klafka | damn | 13:04 |
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| kanzure | hi ferrouswheel | 13:06 |
| ferrouswheel | g'day kanzure | 13:06 |
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| kanzure | http://sl4.org/sl4-archive.tgz | 14:19 |
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| kanzure | http://acceleratingfuture.com/_peerprivatewiki/ | 14:23 |
| kanzure | http://acceleratingfuture.com/aw/awstats.af.html | 14:25 |
| kanzure | http://acceleratingfuture.com/vassar/Flexible%20Automated%20Manufacturing.doc | 14:27 |
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| katsmeow-afk | kanzure, you have documents on how the increase in manufacturing will lead to a decrease in cost, fewer humans making (or knowing how to make) an item, a decrease in financial capitalisation of manufacturing, and monopolies of nearly everything by the largest companies? | 14:49 |
| katsmeow-afk | to me, capitalism is more resembling a pyramid scheme, built of sand, and coming apart | 14:50 |
| katsmeow-afk | lets say someone automates all tantalum capacitor manufacture, buys all the few mining areas, has near zero manufacturing cost, no labor involved, and can set his own price | 14:52 |
| katsmeow-afk | then all oem take that approach for 20 yrs | 14:52 |
| kanzure | http://acceleratingfuture.com/michael/anime/ | 14:52 |
| QuantumG | I've had this discussion on this channel. The next thing they have to do is move into another market because they won't be able to keep up with inflation. | 14:53 |
| katsmeow-afk | for most of a generation, a few companies can suck all the cash out of the economy, then what? | 14:53 |
| kanzure | http://acceleratingfuture.com/michael/anime/tenchimuyo/ | 14:53 |
| kanzure | http://acceleratingfuture.com/michael/anime/4chan/ | 14:54 |
| QuantumG | so eventually you end up with companies competing for a market with no money, but that's ok, the prices have gone down anyway.. at some point the majority of customers are getting their money from government stipends. | 14:54 |
| * katsmeow-afk nods | 14:55 | |
| kanzure | http://acceleratingfuture.com/michael/mp3/ | 14:56 |
| kanzure | http://acceleratingfuture.com/michael/img/ | 14:56 |
| kanzure | http://acceleratingfuture.com/michael/img/me/ | 14:56 |
| kanzure | 2002 log from #sl4 http://acceleratingfuture.com/michael/logs/%23sl4.01.log | 14:57 |
| katsmeow-afk | Quantum, if you had a choice of $free: *either* 2560 14mips computers, OR 256 100mips computers, which would you take? | 14:58 |
| kanzure | methuselah foundation presskit http://acceleratingfuture.com/michael/storage/MethuselahFoundationPressKitV0.5.rar | 14:58 |
| katsmeow-afk | kanzure, that's tou in black with black dog? | 14:58 |
| kanzure | http://acceleratingfuture.com/michael/storage/output.txt | 14:59 |
| katsmeow-afk | i wonder why i thought you lived in Tx | 15:00 |
| katsmeow-afk | ups here, bbl | 15:00 |
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| QuantumG | probably the 256.. but most likely neither | 15:04 |
| kanzure | http://acceleratingfuture.com/sl4/ | 15:05 |
| kanzure | katsmeow-afk: i do live in texas | 15:05 |
| * QuantumG watches kanzure shoot guns into the air "Texas!" | 15:06 | |
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| katsmeow-afk | http://www.acceleratingfuture.com/michael/works/newintelligence.htm missed a 3rd option: the GAI may just pack it's bags and leave, choosing to settle on a safer place like the moon or Mars, or distributed among the asteroid belt(s) somewhere | 15:27 |
| QuantumG | or in Never Never Land | 15:29 |
| katsmeow-afk | ? | 15:29 |
| QuantumG | speculating over fictional beings, so productive | 15:29 |
| katsmeow-afk | i didn't write the page, and i was done speculatingyears ago, i was just relating it to you now | 15:30 |
| QuantumG | yep, but you're here, and he's not, so I address my "whatever" to you | 15:31 |
| katsmeow-afk | k, thanks | 15:31 |
| katsmeow-afk | however, the choice of cpu question wasn't so fanciful, as i have reels of chips and boxes of ram and sq feet of pcb with boxes of drill bits, i could make either | 15:33 |
| katsmeow-afk | foolhardy me asked for opinion | 15:33 |
| QuantumG | ahh.. see I probably wouldn't take it, even if it was free, cause then I've gotta store it. | 15:34 |
| katsmeow-afk | what if it was small, in one box, power wasn't an issue, and they ran 5x faster than my original question? | 15:35 |
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| kanzure | biohacking in milwaukee http://barcampmilwaukee.com/tags/biohacking | 16:31 |
| kanzure | oh, it's just richard thiemes | 16:31 |
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| joshcryer | Bryan Caplin has an idea how desktop manufacturing would work in a competitive market environment. | 16:38 |
| joshcryer | Wait, I'm thinking of someone else. | 16:39 |
| joshcryer | KEVIN CARSON | 16:39 |
| joshcryer | I dunno why I confuse those two, I've done that on several occassions. | 16:39 |
| kanzure | yeah, kevin's stuff is usually fun to read | 16:40 |
| joshcryer | http://c4ss.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/C4SS-Desktop-Manufacturing.pdf | 16:41 |
| kanzure | he wrote a book.. whichever book it was, chapter 7 is a good read :P | 16:42 |
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| joshcryer | Probably linked on his site, I never had the patience to read what I already knew politicall: http://mutualist.blogspot.com/ | 16:43 |
| kanzure | ok maybe not chapter 7 | 16:43 |
| kanzure | http://homebrewindustrialrevolution.wordpress.com/2010/01/11/contents/ | 16:43 |
| joshcryer | I don't recall being particularly fond of his approach though. | 16:44 |
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| katsmeow | <cough> http://www.acceleratingfuture.com/wiki/Transhumanist_IRC_Chatroom says to join #transhumanism | 19:15 |
| katsmeow | i did | 19:15 |
| katsmeow | there's no one there | 19:15 |
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| kanzure | katsmeow: yeah, basically this is the new #transhumanism | 19:22 |
| kanzure | sorry :) | 19:22 |
| kanzure | also i have no control over the acceleratingfuture.com site content | 19:23 |
| kanzure | (you seemed to think it was my site earlier) | 19:23 |
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| katsmeow | who belongs to Novamente? | 19:24 |
| kanzure | ben goertzel | 19:25 |
| katsmeow | i dunno his irc nick | 19:25 |
| kanzure | bgoertzel | 19:25 |
| katsmeow | Novamente hasn't been updated since 2008, i guess it's dead | 19:39 |
| kanzure | most of their work is now focusing on opencog | 19:41 |
| kanzure | ferrouswheel: ping | 19:41 |
| kanzure | you probably know about this stuff more than i do | 19:41 |
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| * katsmeow is mourning the death of a programmer she worked with periodically over the last 15 yrs | 19:48 | |
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| ferrouswheel | katsmeow-afk, sorry to hear that. | 19:59 |
| ferrouswheel | I work on OpenCog with Ben Goertzel | 19:59 |
| ferrouswheel | And Novamente is basically a firm that works on AI stuff, most of their core code is opensourced as OpenCog these days (although not all of it) | 20:00 |
| klafka | the name ben goertzel sounds really familiar | 20:05 |
| uniqanomaly_ | no kidding | 20:06 |
| QuantumG | he's Mr AGI | 20:06 |
| klafka | aah | 20:07 |
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| uniqanomaly_ | klafka: you're guilty of transhumanist heresy, do you have a defence? | 20:10 |
| klafka | i'm not a transhumanist! | 20:10 |
| klafka | unless it gets me something | 20:10 |
| uniqanomaly_ | another heresy | 20:10 |
| klafka | btw so apparently piracetam has just been reclassified by the fda as a drug | 20:10 |
| klafka | and places can no longer sell it | 20:10 |
| klafka | that kinda sucks | 20:10 |
| uniqanomaly_ | wtf? | 20:11 |
| uniqanomaly_ | it was suppliment | 20:11 |
| klafka | yep | 20:11 |
| uniqanomaly_ | they're guilty of like crime against future humanity crimes | 20:11 |
| uniqanomaly_ | and of course transhuman heresy of 0 class | 20:12 |
| QuantumG | crimes against transhumanity | 20:12 |
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| klafka | zeroth level crimes | 20:12 |
| uniqanomaly_ | guilty, guilty and guilty | 20:12 |
| uniqanomaly_ | http://williamllewellyn.com/?p=310 | 20:18 |
| uniqanomaly_ | sadness | 20:18 |
| uniqanomaly_ | US as land of freedom | 20:18 |
| uniqanomaly_ | it reminds me about FDA & genetic testing some time ago | 20:21 |
| uniqanomaly_ | (your an idiot sir, and) you cannot do genetic tests without contact with your physician | 20:22 |
| uniqanomaly_ | (your an idiot sir, and) you cannot use stuff that makes your brain work better | 20:24 |
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| ferrouswheel | No more piracetam? Damn | 20:39 |
| Noahj | Why is all the piracetam gone? | 20:39 |
| ferrouswheel | It's prescription only in New Zealand, but I always managed to get it through customs because they have no clue what it is. | 20:39 |
| katsmeow-afk | olmifon ? | 20:40 |
| katsmeow-afk | oh, adrafinal, nm | 20:40 |
| uniqanomaly_ | Noahj: 'cause of fascism | 20:40 |
| katsmeow-afk | maybe next thing they'll do is look into that salmonella problem with chickens and eggs | 20:44 |
| katsmeow-afk | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racetam | 20:58 |
| katsmeow-afk | Oxiracetam - Water-soluble racetam (2 to 4 times more potent than Piracetam[citation needed]) | 20:58 |
| katsmeow-afk | Aniracetam - Fat-soluble racetam (4 to 8 times more potent than Piracetam[citation needed]) | 20:58 |
| katsmeow-afk | Pramiracetam - Fat-soluble racetam (8 to 30 times more potent than Piracetam[citation needed]) | 20:58 |
| katsmeow-afk | etc | 20:58 |
| epitron | you guys should hack your own racetams | 21:02 |
| QuantumG | nice | 21:03 |
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| Noahj | You don't want to end up with the racetam which gives your hemispheres more trouble talking to one another though, right? | 21:44 |
| Noahj | I guess DIYbio tends to bend towards that risky sort of business | 21:45 |
| Noahj | These sentences are incohescent enough to warrant sleep | 21:45 |
| Noahj | Bye, hplusroadmap | 21:45 |
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| QuantumG | @unrocket says "Just re-did my printed STL motor model to have GPI prototype quote using DMLS, a better process." | 22:51 |
| QuantumG | 3d printed rocket motor.. stainless steel.. his last attempt via Shapeways was too porous | 22:52 |
| katsmeow-afk | i cannot help but think any metal printing he does will result in a sintered metal , which by definition is porus,, so what if he printed the motor bank onto a slab of non-pourus, or printed each engine in a well bored into a non-porus slab? | 22:58 |
| katsmeow-afk | btw, did that Dutch rocket attempt fly? | 22:59 |
| QuantumG | they haven't yet. | 22:59 |
| QuantumG | the flight team left for Bornholm in their submarine Tuesday 1000 UTC. They'll be there Wednesday ~1600 UTC, hoping for launch on Thursday. | 22:59 |
| katsmeow-afk | k | 23:00 |
| QuantumG | so yeah, waiting for that video :) | 23:01 |
| kanzure | http://thebrain.com/ i'm not impressed | 23:01 |
| kanzure | it's yet-another mind mapper thingy | 23:01 |
| QuantumG | yeah | 23:01 |
| katsmeow-afk | has anyone made (printed or otherwise) an actual functioning bank of micro rocket engines to compare to a single larger engine? | 23:04 |
| QuantumG | no. The most clustering that has been successfully done is Falcon 9, with 9 actual engines (some claim Soyuz has more clustering, because they count chambers, not nozzles) | 23:09 |
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| QuantumG | and we're still waiting for Armadillo to fly a cluster of anything | 23:09 |
| QuantumG | even though that's their stated goal. | 23:09 |
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| * katsmeow-afk nods | 23:10 | |
| katsmeow-afk | oh, the Saturn 5 had more than 9 , iirc, you you count main plus vectoring engines | 23:11 |
| QuantumG | well, if you're going to count vectoring engines, Falcon 9 has them too | 23:11 |
| QuantumG | no idea how many | 23:11 |
| katsmeow-afk | oh, ok | 23:11 |
| katsmeow-afk | Sander Pool wrote: | 23:12 |
| katsmeow-afk | > Just so we're all talking about the same thing, the early Soviet missiles | 23:12 |
| katsmeow-afk | > had what, 24 engines? I would consider this a multi-engine missile. | 23:12 |
| QuantumG | officially, you're supposed to count chambers | 23:13 |
| QuantumG | even if those chambers all feed to the same nozzle | 23:13 |
| kanzure | why does caplocks exist? | 23:36 |
| kanzure | http://i570.photobucket.com/albums/ss146/MetroidBob/are-you-ready-to-unleash-the-fuc-1.jpg | 23:36 |
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| epitron | kanzure: http://funtarded.com/pics/show/1218 | 23:56 |
| QuantumG | http://www.sandbricktech.com/ | 23:58 |
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