2010-09-11.log

--- Log opened Sat Sep 11 00:00:17 2010
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joshcryer<QuantumG> great, so now do we need a program that can produce cars?01:11
joshcryerIndeed.01:11
joshcryerL-Systems are useful for creating organics, but down to Earth cars and chairs are going to require a whole new field really.01:15
joshcryerOh and I can show you some really beautiful l-systems that make amazing trees and whatnot.01:17
joshcryerIt'd be unreadable.01:17
joshcryerI tried making some sort of dumbed down grammar. Vases are subsets of bowls, bowls are subsets of plates, plates are subsets of circles, etc.01:21
joshcryerSuch a grammar, like an l-system, is not "graphical." You don't sit down and make an l-system 'leaf.' You find the mathematical basis for that leaf.01:27
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QuantumGyeah03:38
Utopiahhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/09/10/hyperbolic_map_to_save_the_net/03:47
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kanzurefenn: how about saturday afternoon for the call?07:51
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kanzurealibre.com is advertizing some stuff on thingiverse11:12
kanzurehttp://www.alibre.com/products/hobby/11:12
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kanzurethe world of manufacturing lobbying is a weird one12:43
kanzurehttp://manufacturethis.org/12:43
kanzurehttp://www.majorityleader.gov/make_it_in_america.cfm12:43
kanzurehttp://www.americanmanufacturing.org/12:43
kanzurehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effects_of_the_2008-2010_automotive_industry_crisis_on_the_United_States12:45
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* phryk noticed, there is a nice hackerspace in mannheim, too :)16:14
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* fenn installs skype17:07
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fennoh great another fucking global username namespace17:16
kanzureyeah :(17:20
genehacker???17:23
kanzureskype17:24
genehackerwhat's so bad about it17:25
fennevery time you expect 6 billion people to choose unique usernames you have a problem17:25
fenns/have/make/17:25
kanzurebryan113817:25
genehackerso?17:26
fennwas that hibryan.com or heybryan.org?17:26
kanzurepygmy17:29
kanzuregnurbs17:30
kanzurehttp://doodle.com/pspwheq7xits4kb717:30
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fenn"man amplifiers" http://cyberneticzoo.com/?cat=80017:41
Juulanyone notice this --> http://twitter.com/ioerror/status/2423633766817:41
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kanzure"Director of Special Projects"18:05
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genehackerread the pdf there 18:08
genehackerthose walking truck things they made are crazy18:08
genehackerthe legs were controlled MANUALLY18:08
genehackerhttp://cyberneticzoo.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/Mosher-Handyman-to-Hardiman-1967.pdf18:10
genehackeroops link above18:10
genehackerwhoa18:11
genehackeris that the key to "insurance"?18:11
kanzurethey want to make me "Director of Special Projects, Humanity+"18:27
kanzureany better title ideas?18:27
kanzurei was thinking "senior managing director of global operations"18:27
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genehackerso what's that key for?18:42
Juulgenehacker, don't know18:44
Juulno-one seems to know18:44
genehackerhow many bits is it?18:48
Juul4018:54
Juulsorry18:54
Juul16018:54
Juullooks like a sha-118:54
Juulit doesn't decrypt the insurance file with any of the standard ciphers18:55
Juultried blowfish, aes128, 192, 25618:55
Juuland 256 in all modes18:55
Juulalso tried triple-des18:55
Juulmight be something completely different18:55
kanzure18:38:39 omg/jrayhawk: "senior research fellow" or "director of research" are probably titles most useful to your future career in dicking about with other people's mo18:58
kanzureney18:58
genehackerwhoa19:02
genehackerso it's not for insurance19:02
Juulapparently not19:04
Juulif it is, i'm not sure what to do with it19:04
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kanzurehi tmccabe37 20:11
tmccabe37Hey kanzure20:11
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fennthe appelbaum thing is probably a checksum for later verification that some file indeed existed at that time, but is twitter really a digital notary?20:26
eriduuh, YES, duh20:29
eriduTwitter will exist until the end of time20:29
eridunow that that tweet is public there are a bajillion copies of it20:29
eriduits in the CLOUD20:29
* kanzure just got off an hour-long phone call with sebastien baillard20:34
kanzurehe's more reasonable over the phone20:34
JayDuggerGood evening, everyone.20:41
fennare you ready for more phone calls?20:42
JayDuggerEridu. I don't think that every jurisdiction, or possibly ANY jurisdiction, would accept your argument.20:42
JayDuggerThat said, I do think a digital notary service makes a great deal of sense. For all I know, someone already does this. If not, feel free to make money fro the idea.20:43
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kanzurefenn: uh, let me see if dave is around20:53
eriduJayDugger: I was being sarcastic20:53
JayDuggerOh. 20:54
JayDuggerWell, I still think it's a good idea. That probably indicates it exists and someone implemented it, or it doesn't exist and has obvious flaws.20:55
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kanzurehi gnusha 21:02
kanzurewait what21:02
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fennlurker roll call21:20
kanzure21:03:16 omg/jrayhawk: WHO'RE YEW?! *spits* THEY DONE TOLD ME I'D HAVE A PCR THERMAL CYCLER *throws cat*                                                               21:20
JayDuggerHm?21:20
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M-xDaekenkanzure: well, i just managed to decrypt data coming from the emotiv.  AES in ECB mode: key = '\x31\x00\x35\x54\x38\x10\x37\x42\x31\x00\x35\x48\x38\x00\x37\x50'21:54
jrayhawkwhenever kanzure mentions his cat i like to think of kanzure as a crazy old cat lady21:54
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fennyeah i think my poor netbook can't handle more than 2 phone calls at once22:03
fennkinda lame as this worked fine on a 1995 computer22:03
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kanzurefenn: i don't know if we got anything of value out of that22:10
kanzurehttp://www.sysml.org/specs.htm22:10
kanzurehttp://www.sysml.org/docs/specs/OMGSysML-v1.2-10-06-02.pdf22:10
kanzurehttp://www.sysmlforum.com/tools.htm22:10
kanzurehttp://www.sysmlforum.com/FAQ.htm22:10
kanzurehttp://archive.eiffel.com/doc/manuals/technology/bmarticles/uml/page.html22:10
kanzuremodel of a telescope: http://mbse.sysmod.de/documents/APE-TWS.zip22:11
kanzure"telescope" i should say22:11
glytchM-xDaeken: does that key let you get the raw data from headsets other than the more expensive developer and researcher kits?22:11
kanzurealso: http://mbse.sysmod.de/documents/faq.html22:11
kanzurehttp://mbse.sysmod.de/documents/Cookbook.pdf22:11
kanzurehttp://mbse.sysmod.de/documents/CookBookXML.zip22:11
M-xDaekenglytch: indeed it does :)  the only difference between the consumer headset and others, as far as i can tell, is the product id on the dongle.22:12
M-xDaeken1 == consumer, 2 == developer.22:12
M-xDaekeni may be mistaken on that, however, and the developer headset uses a different key as well... but i know that the hid input reports from the consumer epoc are just gyroscope and eeg data22:13
kanzurehave you been able to figure out their data format? once decrypted22:14
M-xDaekenworking on that part now -- i just got the data decrypting a couple minutes ago.22:14
M-xDaekenif you're curious, i can take a capture and post it22:14
glytchi've been thinking about getting one of those for awhile now, but i didn't like how they're encrypting things and artificially crippling the device like that22:15
kanzureM-xDaeken: a capture would be hawt22:15
M-xDaekenglytch: well, i intend to release everything, information and source to my tools and an openvibe module, public domain shortly.22:15
M-xDaekenkanzure: http://pastie.org/1153209.txt?key=1z0jhuaizalqkijt1886pq22:16
M-xDaekenthat's a log i just took of it sitting on my leg22:17
M-xDaekenwtf... it didn't all post.22:18
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M-xDaekenhttp://pastie.org/private/1z0jhuaizalqkijt1886pq <-- weird... it posted, but it's getting cut off in the raw version.22:19
glytchthat's ok22:22
M-xDaekenbut if you copy it from that link, it'll all come through.22:22
M-xDaekenhttp://pastie.org/private/jzfxkr3uxribaodrbeox8a <-- log of actual brain activity... note: one sensor (not sure what the name is) has a really poor signal right now 'cause it's fairly dry, so you may get jacked up data there.22:23
M-xDaekenbut... it should be possible to graph some of that data and actually get something sane.22:23
JayDuggerGood work, M-xDaeken.22:27
glytchyes, we thank you :)22:28
glytchmight convince me to pick one of those up22:28
M-xDaekendanke :)22:28
JayDuggerBitte.22:28
M-xDaekentime to write a script to convert a byte or bytes into a wave file... if everything is kosher, i should see a semi-sane waveform.22:30
M-xDaekenwoah.  that looks... very wavelike.22:41
glytchgo you :)22:44
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M-xDaekenoh hey... i think the data, once decrypted, is exactly what the research sdk gives you...22:52
glytchawesome 22:52
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glytchi wanna get it graphed in processing or something and see how good i can get at controlling the levels22:53
glytchthen maybe make it control a tiny helicopter with a camera streaming video back to me22:54
M-xDaekenlame... no dice.23:01
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JayDuggerWhat failed, M-xDaeken?23:20
M-xDaekeni was thinking that the data buffer coming out of the eeg sdk was directly from the HID stuff, but i was mistaken23:22
kanzureit's going to require some parsing23:23
kanzureworst case scenario you're going to have to hook it up to a logic analyzer or oscillator23:23
kanzureer, oscilloscope23:23
JayDuggeroscilloscope?23:23
M-xDaekeneh, worst case is that i feed data into a virtual emotiv and read the data out of the developer sdk23:24
M-xDaekenwould tell me exactly what's going on23:24
M-xDaekenwell, time for me to get some sleep.  night al.23:42
kanzurenight23:42
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