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| M-xDaeken | kanzure: http://github.com/daeken/Emokit *grin* there's now a pygame-based renderer for the activity... all the high bytes of the sensors are known, although only one is known to be named properly. | 04:34 |
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| thesnark | Morning all. | 05:23 |
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| kanzure | http://home.tu-clausthal.de/~vttsc/OpenrTMS/electronics.html | 07:27 |
| kanzure | http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=transcranial-magnetic-stimulation-rtms | 07:28 |
| kanzure | http://iplant.eu/ "for the promotion of the ethical development of deep brain implants; More generally, it explores the prospect of personalized neuromodulation: what happens when people acquire increasingly better and more precise technological control over the chemistry of their own brains? " | 07:29 |
| M-xDaeken | oh nice | 07:30 |
| M-xDaeken | hrm... correlating the low byte with the high byte is tough, to say the least :P | 07:31 |
| kanzure | "ported from the Java reference code by Bram Cohen," | 07:32 |
| kanzure | all hail bram | 07:32 |
| kanzure | M-xDaeken: it would be funny if you'd greetz #hplusroadmap in Emokit.git | 07:45 |
| M-xDaeken | kanzure: haha, already done so in my readme :P | 07:45 |
| kanzure | read.py? | 07:46 |
| M-xDaeken | no, README.md | 07:46 |
| M-xDaeken | which i haven't pushed, apparently :P | 07:46 |
| kanzure | it looks like you forgot to commit and/or push | 07:46 |
| M-xDaeken | i'll do so in a minute -- trying to correlate the last couple sensors | 07:46 |
| M-xDaeken | don't know the low bytes of any of them, but i'm nearly done with the high bytes | 07:47 |
| * nsh hails bram | 07:49 | |
| M-xDaeken | who here has an EPOC and feels like testing something? there's linux support in the emokit repo now, but it's totally untested... don't see any problems, but who knows | 07:50 |
| kanzure | masked: you around? | 07:50 |
| kanzure | thesnark has one but he left a few hours ago | 07:50 |
| masked | not exactly | 07:50 |
| masked | preoccupied | 07:50 |
| kanzure | http://etacts.com/ new layout.. they seem to cater to the pr firm market | 08:05 |
| Utopiah | everybody who crunch data for stats seem to cater to the pr/adverizing market :/ | 08:08 |
| Utopiah | following what Hal R. Varian said | 08:09 |
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| Utopiah | http://blogs.msdn.com/blogfiles/steverowe/WindowsLiveWriter/ProgrammingLanguageHierarchy_1489F/programmer_hierarchy[7].gif | 08:19 |
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| M-xDaeken | kanzure: think posting this stuff on the emotiv forum will get me banned? ;) | 08:54 |
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| kanzure | M-xDaeken: you should do it anonymously (even though your git repo isn't anonymous) | 08:59 |
| kanzure | that way, you still have your emotiv forum username | 08:59 |
| kanzure | (which is more or less useless anyway) | 09:00 |
| M-xDaeken | eh, i'm not terribly concerned about that -- i've never even posted there | 09:00 |
| M-xDaeken | although i'm considering posting to see if anyone has recommendations for wireless headphones that work well with the emotiv :P | 09:00 |
| M-xDaeken | btw, i'm writing up an acquisition server for openvibe now... gonna release everything once that's done. there's obviously a lot to do, but i'm sure that someone more knowledgable than myself could kick this thing's ass. | 09:00 |
| M-xDaeken | all that really needs to be done is matching up the sensor positions. | 09:01 |
| M-xDaeken | can't believe how mindnumbingly easy this was | 09:02 |
| mheld | that bad, eh? | 09:02 |
| M-xDaeken | downright amazed no one did this before me. | 09:02 |
| mheld | what'd you have to do? | 09:02 |
| M-xDaeken | mheld: took me about 5 hours with device in hand to get the communication decrypted :P | 09:02 |
| kanzure | i tried :) but not having windows/IDA i kinda failed | 09:03 |
| M-xDaeken | at the end of the day, what the entire thing boiled down to (ignoring all the red herrings and attempts to hack it before i got the hardware): peid's krypto analyzer to find the rijndael s-box, look at the function that references that and break on the first instruction... key is in the first argument. | 09:04 |
| M-xDaeken | crypto is just AES in ECB, 16-byte block size. | 09:04 |
| mheld | ah | 09:04 |
| mheld | yeah, crypto is not my thing :-P | 09:05 |
| kanzure | M-xDaeken: so it's pretty clear they weren't trying that hard | 09:05 |
| mheld | I took a semester of it, that was it for me | 09:05 |
| M-xDaeken | so from here, all the data is plaintext... i know the counter, the marker, and the gyro data... from here, it's just a matter of figuring out which sensor is where, in the packets. | 09:05 |
| M-xDaeken | there's a renderer for the raw data in the repo | 09:06 |
| kanzure | wait, how do you know it's the gyro data? | 09:06 |
| kanzure | random testing and seeing if those bytes change in the stream? | 09:06 |
| M-xDaeken | because if you use the renderer, you can move a little square around the screen by looking around :) | 09:06 |
| kanzure | what does that have to do with it? that doesn't tell you the data format.. | 09:07 |
| kanzure | or is it ust plaintext and labelled? | 09:07 |
| M-xDaeken | oh, that part was easy -- i just sat it on a flat surface and plotted the stream, two bytes at a time. pretty quickly found the two bytes that corresponded to the gyro. | 09:08 |
| M-xDaeken | then i took that, found the baseline, and added code to the renderer to let you move a square around. | 09:08 |
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| M-xDaeken | although there's no way to change the baseline right now, so it's easy to lose the square off the screen | 09:09 |
| M-xDaeken | regardless, the gyro is definitely known | 09:09 |
| kanzure | they were even proud of the barrel rolls in the starfox64 previews: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgEZJt911Qw#t=2m28sec | 09:14 |
| M-xDaeken | hah | 09:15 |
| M-xDaeken | holy shit... that was 13 years ago... | 09:15 |
| kanzure | "oh no! you didn't tell him about the.. rumble pack.. did you?" | 09:16 |
| M-xDaeken | man, the acquisition server code for openvibe is nasty. | 09:17 |
| M-xDaeken | i'm gonna have to document this protocol, so i can spare others the pain :P | 09:18 |
| M-xDaeken | well, i'm going to really go to bed now :P night all. | 09:34 |
| kanzure | good night | 09:41 |
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| dustbin | kanzure: got anything for me? | 12:18 |
| dustbin | oh well video game time | 12:24 |
| kanzure | no not really | 12:32 |
| kanzure | hi Pirolocito | 12:33 |
| kanzure | are you ricardo perry | 12:33 |
| Pirolocito | kanzure, yes | 12:33 |
| Pirolocito | why? | 12:33 |
| Pirolocito | hello | 12:33 |
| dustbin | whenever you do have something I'd really like to work on it, I could use a programming project that is actually interesting and not another website for work :/ | 12:33 |
| kanzure | dustbin: i'm so lame i can't even figure out a name | 12:34 |
| dustbin | heh | 12:34 |
| kanzure | okay i should do that today | 12:35 |
| kanzure | bite the bullet and such :) | 12:35 |
| Pirolocito | kanzure, Why do you ask if I'm Ricardo? | 12:36 |
| Utopiah | [joke warning] DARPA project rule, now you get to have a tracking device in your place | 12:38 |
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| Pirolocito | kanzure, ???? | 12:50 |
| kanzure | Pirolocito: just wondering if i knew you | 12:53 |
| kanzure | and apparently i do not | 12:53 |
| Pirolocito | kanzure, no, I'm Portuguese! | 12:53 |
| kanzure | hi :) | 12:54 |
| kanzure | so what brings you here? | 12:54 |
| Pirolocito | open manufacturing | 13:35 |
| Pirolocito | :) | 13:35 |
| Pirolocito | I'm a mechanical engineer and a big fan of open source software, so do the math | 13:35 |
| Pirolocito | :) | 13:35 |
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| kanzure | a video about local-motors.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azCRuwtE_n0 | 14:07 |
| kanzure | http://local-motors.com/ and they actually provide IGES models of their vehicles? | 14:07 |
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| kanzure | i meant to link to http://www.local-motors.com/modIt.php where they link to the IGES files | 14:10 |
| kanzure | huuuge data file ftp://ftp.fbo.gov/FBOFeed20100716 | 14:18 |
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| jrayhawk | Iiinteresting. That's something like what I've wanted to do for years. | 14:45 |
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| genehacker | http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39101258/ns/technology_and_science-science/ | 16:16 |
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| kanzure | bioethics.gov stream goes on tomorrow | 16:57 |
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| kanzure | gah even teenycad is taken http://sourceforge.net/projects/teenycad/ | 18:17 |
| kanzure | heh i should use tynycad | 18:20 |
| epitron | how about something more like "light" or "efficient" | 18:22 |
| epitron | ephemeral | 18:22 |
| epitron | tiny kinda implies that, but it can also mean limited | 18:22 |
| superkuh | scantilycad! | 18:22 |
| epitron | hahah | 18:22 |
| epitron | yes! | 18:22 |
| epitron | scantilycad is awesome | 18:22 |
| epitron | thriftycad | 18:23 |
| epitron | gossamer | 18:24 |
| epitron | boltmaster9000 | 18:26 |
| epitron | :D | 18:26 |
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| kanzure | huh there's a pygmy python | 18:50 |
| kanzure | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antaresia_perthensis | 18:50 |
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| jrayhawk | what does skdb even stand for | 18:52 |
| jrayhawk | ah, societal engineering knowledge database | 18:54 |
| jrayhawk | sekad | 18:54 |
| kanzure | jrayhawk: maybe you can see why i'm so hesitant to pick anything here | 18:58 |
| kanzure | i don't exactly have a good track record | 18:58 |
| kanzure | (we should have gone with a4h or apt-get for hardware because that's how it's explained most of the time anyway) | 18:59 |
| kanzure | major cad libraries are called brlcad, opencascade, acis, parasolid so it's not like the competition is fierce :P | 19:02 |
| kanzure | hah "used by hundreds of software developers!" http://doc.spatial.com/index.php/ACIS | 19:04 |
| kanzure | that's not many.. | 19:04 |
| kanzure | ok and "romulus" and "euclid" but those are super old school http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romulus_%28b-rep_solid_modeler%29 | 19:05 |
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| kanzure | hmm why does this guy get to violate namespace purity http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FreeCAD_%28Aik-Siong_Koh%29 | 19:09 |
| jrayhawk | you can do pretty much anything if you're a big enough sociopath | 19:20 |
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| kanzure | jrayhawk: if you buy the suits i'll team up with you to go fight namespace crime | 19:22 |
| kanzure | fighting namespace pollution | 19:22 |
| jrayhawk | so we'd be like the planeteers, only somehow even lamer | 19:23 |
| jrayhawk | instead of Eco-Villains we'd have Epi-Villains | 19:25 |
| jrayhawk | Instead of Looten Plunder we'd have Postem Odernist | 19:26 |
| kanzure | the master list: http://pastebin.ca/1939262 | 19:32 |
| kanzure | i'd go for something like libsolids except, that's taken too | 19:36 |
| dustbin | you are way overthinking this | 19:37 |
| kanzure | also naming a python library lib* is generally frowned upon since libanything is so you can do -lanything | 19:37 |
| dustbin | also that list is awesome | 19:37 |
| jrayhawk | libdoodad | 19:38 |
| kanzure | liblabido | 19:39 |
| kanzure | hah if i wanted freecad i could call it libertycad | 19:39 |
| kanzure | or librecad | 19:39 |
| jrayhawk | libdoohickies | 19:39 |
| kanzure | dustbin: yeah but skdb as a name really isn't that great | 19:41 |
| dustbin | so what's the main thing this cad has as it's root design philosophy steps I guess | 19:43 |
| dustbin | and small | 19:43 |
| kanzure | basically i wanted a cad kernel that wouldn't completely suck, was pythonic, not bloated/obtuse as everything else | 19:44 |
| kanzure | simple, i don't really care about speed (well, i do, but i haven't benchmarked anything yet) | 19:45 |
| kanzure | if i really cared about speed i'd just do a C++ library | 19:45 |
| jrayhawk | libthingee and libthiny are also available | 19:45 |
| jrayhawk | libthingy | 19:45 |
| kanzure | so is thingycad | 19:45 |
| kanzure | hrm | 19:45 |
| jrayhawk | doodadcad has an annoying ring to it | 19:45 |
| kanzure | also it reminds me of dugong which was an awful pokemon | 19:46 |
| jrayhawk | well obviously you should name it after a *good* pokemon, then | 19:46 |
| kanzure | charzillacad (take that, mozilla foundation!) | 19:47 |
| dustbin | there was some water/electric hybrid I kicked a lot of ass with in silver | 19:47 |
| jrayhawk | cadmander | 19:47 |
| kanzure | maril? | 19:47 |
| kanzure | wait, no | 19:47 |
| kanzure | lanturn | 19:48 |
| epitron | scantilycad / LOLcad are my votes :) | 19:48 |
| dustbin | heh ya it was lanturn | 19:48 |
| kanzure | in a past life i was writing a pokemon clone called "fakemon" that would automatically generate "fakemon" by combining the in-game awful pixel art in various ways | 19:48 |
| dustbin | lol | 19:49 |
| dustbin | I do like lolcad btw | 19:49 |
| kanzure | yes but DARPA might not | 19:49 |
| kanzure | heh' | 19:49 |
| dustbin | it has a certain irreverence I like, but ya DARPA... | 19:49 |
| kanzure | yeah i might as well. anyone who needs a better name can just find it themselves | 19:51 |
| jrayhawk | "Fans of the series have attempted to rationalize MissingNo. as canon, which has sparked discussion in sociological studies about the impact of video games upon society." | 19:51 |
| jrayhawk | MissingCAD | 19:51 |
| kanzure | there were like four forms of missingno | 19:52 |
| kanzure | glitch city was way better, anyway | 19:52 |
| kanzure | i was a "master hacker" <3 | 19:52 |
| kanzure | http://www.google.com/images?q=pokemon+"glitch+city" | 19:53 |
| panax | lulzcad | 19:55 |
| dustbin | no /b/ | 19:55 |
| kanzure | is this going to inadvertently attract stupid 4chan users | 19:55 |
| kanzure | see, this is why i am bad at names | 19:55 |
| panax | scantilycad is best | 19:56 |
| kanzure | now on to more important issues.. like food | 20:01 |
| jrayhawk | there is no issue more important than pokemon | 20:02 |
| kanzure | i used to manipulate the ROM files and reconstruct entire stories/games using the same palettes :( | 20:02 |
| kanzure | http://www.pokecommunity.com/forumdisplay.php?f=37 | 20:03 |
| kanzure | see here: http://www.pokecommunity.com/showthread.php?t=151068 | 20:04 |
| jrayhawk | why are you bothering with this skdb stuff when you could be doing something useful like making a packaging manager for pokemon romhacks | 20:05 |
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| kanzure | fenn: does this sound like an accurate description of my life to you yet? http://xkcd.com/792/ | 22:08 |
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