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| CryptoQuick | joshcryer: still there, bud? :V | 01:16 |
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| M-xDaeken | kanzure: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1686094 <-- emokit announced/released \o/ | 03:15 |
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| kanzure | Daeken: looks deleted | 06:06 |
| kanzure | oh well i'll settle for http://daeken.com/emokit-hacking-the-emotiv-epoc-brain-computer-0 | 06:06 |
| Utopiah | moved to github | 06:08 |
| kanzure | Daeken: the link on daeken.com is broken | 06:09 |
| Daeken | kanzure: posterous is failing it. hard. | 06:09 |
| Daeken | http://github.com/daeken/Emokit/blob/master/Announcement.md | 06:09 |
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| kanzure | whois jason radolec | 06:21 |
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| Daeken | kanzure: he's one of my business partners -- why do you ask? | 06:23 |
| Daeken | curious as to where that name came from :P | 06:24 |
| kanzure | i pull names out of my ass like it's nothing | 06:24 |
| Daeken | haha | 06:25 |
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| kanzure | http://noteleaf.com/ an app for "remembering people you meet" ? | 07:18 |
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| kanzure | "hi bryan this is natasha vita-more.. i just got back from holland so, if you wa--" wait, holland? | 08:58 |
| kanzure | raymond mccauley got into "nature medicine" news for his diygenomics.org stuff | 09:00 |
| kanzure | http://www.nature.com/nm/journal/v16/n9/full/nm0910-953.html | 09:00 |
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| kanzure | these guys are proposing a "panel of citizen scientists to review possibly environmentally disasterous science" or something http://research.dynamicpatterns.com/2010/09/12/citizen-science-panels-proposed-for-the-united-states/ | 09:09 |
| kanzure | (seems like a publicity stunt to me) | 09:09 |
| kanzure | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SetiQuest "setiQuest is a project of the SETI Institute aimed to improve the search for extra terrestrial intelligence by opening the source code of the software used on the Allen Telescope Array (ATA) to the public for improvement and expansion." | 09:10 |
| kanzure | http://setiquest.org/ | 09:10 |
| kanzure | bah it looks like they are just testing the waters "We are still working on the schedule and modalities of open sourcing this software. The tentative date for starting publication is the second to third quarter of 2010." | 09:11 |
| kanzure | open source isn't something you just poop out into the community | 09:11 |
| kanzure | oh.. | 09:11 |
| kanzure | git clone git://github.com/setiQuest/setiCode.git | 09:11 |
| kanzure | "# A new curses based information display called sonATADisplay" heh | 09:13 |
| kanzure | rebuilding a jeep in under 4min http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgwF8mdQwlw | 09:15 |
| kanzure | doesn't have breaks O_o | 09:15 |
| kanzure | some commentary http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1681967 | 09:15 |
| kanzure | is using 10 men cheating? | 09:17 |
| Daeken | man, reading that last line out of context was a bad thing. | 09:18 |
| Redeemer | Agreed. Also good chuckles at the jeep rebuild | 09:19 |
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| kanzure | "human enhancement" my ass.. http://www.myfoxny.com/dpp/news/offbeat/woman-has-worlds-largest-breast-implants-removed-newscore20100909 | 10:01 |
| kanzure | but as it turns out, i know the pathologist who got her tissue samples | 10:01 |
| kanzure | he's trying to arrange permission from sheyla to post the microscopy to flikr | 10:01 |
| uniqanomaly_ | she should be amongst first who get intelligence amplification brain implants, so I guess it is somehow related to "human enhancement" | 10:06 |
| kanzure | natasha interviewing giulio prisco on.. something or other | 10:08 |
| kanzure | http://hplusmagazine.com/editors-blog/mind-and-man-getting-mental-giulio-prisco | 10:08 |
| kanzure | http://bioart.jp/ a tumblr blog on diybio and synthetic biology | 10:09 |
| kanzure | another one: http://diybiology.blogspot.com/ | 10:10 |
| kanzure | and another: http://biohacker.kibu.hu/ | 10:10 |
| kanzure | and another.. http://biopunk.hu/ probably splicer or something | 10:10 |
| kanzure | woah biocurious jumped up to $27k pledged | 10:11 |
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| kanzure | http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1040581998/biocurious-a-hackerspace-for-biotech-the-community | 10:11 |
| kanzure | i guess the newsblitz from the kickstarter newsletter helped | 10:12 |
| Daeken | http://hackaday.com/2010/09/13/python-library-for-emotiv-eeg/ :D | 10:12 |
| kanzure | haha | 10:12 |
| kanzure | hackaday: taking what HN won't | 10:12 |
| kanzure | hmm i was hoping there'd be more comments on that article | 10:14 |
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| kanzure | hi archels | 10:36 |
| kanzure | welcome to your friendly neighborhood bio-hacking chromosome-distilling pro-human-enhancement cat-herding channel | 10:37 |
| kanzure | Daeken: yo, hplusmagazine.com would like an interview today | 10:38 |
| kanzure | you game? | 10:38 |
| Daeken | hell, sure | 10:38 |
| Daeken | when? | 10:38 |
| kanzure | uh, i have to do a few phone call at the moment but presumably within the next 6 hours | 10:38 |
| Daeken | cool | 10:38 |
| Daeken | let me know | 10:38 |
| kanzure | see pm | 10:39 |
| archels | hello kanzure | 10:51 |
| archels | I had no idea there was a transhumanism channel on freenode! | 10:51 |
| Daeken | archels: neither did i, until just a couple weeks ago | 10:52 |
| phryk | archels: I hereby officially welcome you in our midst. | 10:52 |
| archels | thanks! | 10:52 |
| phryk | Not that I am by any sense some official instance, but hey, won't get any better than this ;P | 10:53 |
| archels | good enough for me. | 10:53 |
| archels | btw, the last URL in the topic is dead. | 10:53 |
| phryk | what? heybryan.org is down? | 10:53 |
| archels | apparently | 10:54 |
| phryk | orly | 10:54 |
| phryk | kanzure: Your page died? | 10:54 |
| archels | It's not just you! http://heybryan.org looks down from here. | 10:54 |
| phryk | Heh | 10:54 |
| phryk | isitdownforeveryoneorjustme.com or something like that, right?^^ | 10:54 |
| archels | That very site. | 10:54 |
| phryk | ^_^ | 10:55 |
| phryk | I only notice it's dark in my room when I try to eat... | 10:55 |
| phryk | apparently it's down long enough for google to forget it... | 10:56 |
| katsmeow-afk | http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/ | 10:56 |
| katsmeow-afk | It's not just you! http://heybryan.org looks down from here. | 10:57 |
| phryk | It's not just you! http://rap.ing looks down from here. | 10:57 |
| phryk | Very unlikely. | 10:57 |
| archels | Speaking of URLs, does anyone want to buy engineeringtranshumanism.com? :) | 10:59 |
| Daeken | ooo... | 10:59 |
| Daeken | if i had money, i'd do so. | 11:00 |
| phryk | ask splicer, apparently he has shitloads of domains ^^; | 11:00 |
| phryk | I'm currently fine with phryk.net and some opennic domains | 11:01 |
| archels | One of my brilliant ideas that never fleshed out. 't was going to be like singularityhub, except I never got around to developing it. Then singularityhub came to be. | 11:01 |
| phryk | heh | 11:01 |
| archels | splicer: ^ | 11:03 |
| kanzure | archels: singularityhub sucks, so you're still ok | 11:10 |
| kanzure | hplusmagazine.com can totally be outclassed in every single way *easily* | 11:10 |
| kanzure | but the real question is: do you really want to be doing news? or do you want to come build shit with us | 11:10 |
| archels | H+mag isn't everything, but it has authority. | 11:11 |
| kanzure | actually, until a month ago, hplusmagazine.com was an independent publication | 11:12 |
| archels | Myself, I prefer actually building shit (e.g. www.conncad.com), but fortunately in 2010 we have this phenomenon called "blogging." :) | 11:12 |
| Daeken | kanzure: wait, it's part of Humanity+ now? | 11:13 |
| Daeken | i missed this. | 11:13 |
| archels | kanzure: Yes, and I meant that its purchase gives it even more authority. | 11:13 |
| kanzure | it was "sold" to humanity+ | 11:13 |
| Daeken | interesting. | 11:13 |
| kanzure | they were so screwed | 11:13 |
| Daeken | lol | 11:13 |
| kanzure | archels: on a related note i've been working on an open source CAD kernel written in python | 11:13 |
| Daeken | how's that coming? | 11:14 |
| kanzure | i see that conncad is more about creating neural nets | 11:14 |
| archels | kanzure: Can I see? | 11:14 |
| kanzure | Daeken: for the longest time i was trying to pick a name (it was down to lolcad and tinycad, and tinycad was taken) | 11:14 |
| kanzure | i'm going with patchcad, though | 11:14 |
| Daeken | ah, cool | 11:14 |
| archels | heh, interesting convergence on the names. | 11:14 |
| Daeken | kanzure: if you ever kill it, you're going to rename it to cadaver, right? | 11:14 |
| kanzure | Daeken: no, incommunicad | 11:15 |
| Daeken | haha | 11:15 |
| kanzure | archels: yeah i was having a hayday with naming http://pastebin.ca/1939262 | 11:15 |
| archels | Is your name Bryan? | 11:16 |
| kanzure | yes | 11:16 |
| archels | Any screenshots? | 11:17 |
| archels | '0cad' lol l33t. | 11:17 |
| kanzure | my connection is lagging right now | 11:17 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/screenshots/2010-08-19-python-opengl-opennurbs.png | 11:17 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/screenshots/2010-08-24-1610-runten-pynurbs.png | 11:17 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/screenshots/2010-08-30-0234.png (no, i was just watching star trek at the time apparently, it doesn't have anything to do with the nurbs object) | 11:18 |
| Daeken | lol, love the hostname ;) | 11:18 |
| archels | This looks more like a 3D engine than a CAD kernel. | 11:18 |
| kanzure | the core functionality is that it exports CAD to ISO 10303-21 (STEP) format files | 11:19 |
| kanzure | nobody is going to use this if they can't see what they are doing | 11:19 |
| kanzure | so i've been adding a small opengl portview to show the nurbs objects | 11:19 |
| kanzure | but it's all scripting-based | 11:19 |
| kanzure | you can use sympy to do parametric geometry, constraints, etc., and just re-run "make-me-a-model-of-a-oneill-habitat.py" or something | 11:20 |
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| kanzure | some core functionality is presently missing (like combining/sewing/fusing/cutting multiple nurbs objects at once) | 11:21 |
| archels | alright, well, I'm coming along decently with my own CAD engine, 12k lines now. I considered (and used) 3D in an earlier stage, but tore it out... | 11:21 |
| kanzure | but stuff like extruding a nurbs object works | 11:21 |
| kanzure | archels: yeah? | 11:21 |
| archels | at times I'm sad that I did | 11:21 |
| kanzure | have you played around with brlcad, opencascade, pythonCAD, pythonOCC, graphiteone, heekscad, freecad, ..? | 11:21 |
| archels | negative, although I've evaluated a number of Java libraries. | 11:22 |
| kanzure | what is the representation data structure in your kernel? | 11:22 |
| archels | The GUI part has a simple class hierarchy. The neural nets are laid out in a graph. | 11:23 |
| kanzure | oh this isn't the same thing as a solid geometry kernel :P | 11:23 |
| archels | not quite! :) | 11:23 |
| kanzure | so basically it's a graph manipulation library | 11:23 |
| archels | You could call it that. | 11:24 |
| kanzure | i was previously "working" on this project with my advisor: http://graphsynth.com/ | 11:24 |
| kanzure | so it was a graph manipulation front-end plus some functions to use generative grammars.. | 11:24 |
| kanzure | we did some neural net modelling and dynamic-reconstruction-of-neural-networks-to-be-more-efficient | 11:24 |
| phryk | kanzure: Love your naming scheme^^ | 11:25 |
| kanzure | which one? | 11:25 |
| * phryk is currently working on shitocide | 11:25 | |
| phryk | the one where you rename your dead cad project incommunicad ^^ | 11:25 |
| kanzure | ah, yeah that's totally jrayhawk's doing | 11:25 |
| kanzure | so anyway, i promised dustbin that i'd have the python/CAD kernel up in a repository by yesterday | 11:26 |
| kanzure | i should go do that :P | 11:26 |
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| phryk | heh | 11:28 |
| kanzure | git clone git://diyhpl.us/lolcad.git | 11:39 |
| kanzure | also it's a wiki http://diyhpl.us/lolcad/ | 11:40 |
| kanzure | (in the git repo) | 11:40 |
| kanzure | i think i'll be doing some cleanup on the codebase, adding in more unit tests | 11:40 |
| kanzure | .. before starting patchcad.git | 11:41 |
| kanzure | oh crud i forgot to commit the code | 11:41 |
| kanzure | there you go | 11:42 |
| drazak | we should get a cia bot in here to show commits | 12:02 |
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| kanzure | drazak: we have one | 12:12 |
| kanzure | CIA-36: *pet* | 12:13 |
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| drazak | oh | 12:14 |
| drazak | I didn't see a commit message | 12:14 |
| drazak | or do you still have to push? | 12:14 |
| kanzure | i haven't added a hook | 12:14 |
| drazak | ah | 12:15 |
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| kanzure | "Being that the DMCA protects against decrypting copyrighted data, would that imply that your raw EEG data is copyrighted?" | 12:27 |
| kanzure | that was from http://hackaday.com/2010/09/13/python-library-for-emotiv-eeg/ | 12:27 |
| jrayhawk | It wouldn't surprise me in the least if they tried to claim that in a takedown notice. | 12:29 |
| jrayhawk | It's good that he's getting this spread far and wide before they have a chance to. | 12:30 |
| Daeken | jrayhawk: they can feel free to try :P | 12:30 |
| kanzure | jrayhawk: i'm publishing an interview i just did with Daeken to hplusmagazine.com | 12:31 |
| kanzure | it includes a small tutorial on how to use emokit :P | 12:31 |
| kanzure | finally hplusmagazine will be doing something useful | 12:31 |
| uniqanomaly_ | I guess they could pull out some reverse engineering laws | 12:32 |
| kanzure | they are in the philippines | 12:33 |
| Daeken | uniqanomaly_: oh, there's plenty of stuff they could try, but i don't think any of it would hold up in court | 12:33 |
| jrayhawk | Well, you obviously got that key from somewhere. | 12:34 |
| Daeken | jrayhawk: reverse-engineering for the purpose of interoperability is a well-established and battle tested practice in the US | 12:34 |
| kanzure | you know, it probably would have been better to just post a python script | 12:35 |
| kanzure | that would extract the key from the .exe file | 12:35 |
| uniqanomaly_ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AACS_encryption_key_controversy | 12:35 |
| kanzure | even if you just give people the byte offset | 12:35 |
| uniqanomaly_ | The controversy was further escalated in early May 2007, when aggregate news site Digg received a DMCA cease and desist notice and then removed numerous articles on the matter and banned users reposting the information | 12:35 |
| Daeken | haha, i actually don't know where the key comes from in the binary. it's not there in plaintext, afaik (i may be wrong on that, though). i just pulled it out of memory :P | 12:35 |
| Daeken | uniqanomaly_: that's quite a bit different, though -- AACS is a copy protection system, which the DMCA is relevant for | 12:36 |
| Daeken | see Lexmark v Static Control Components for a more relevant case | 12:36 |
| kanzure | i can see the news backlash: "anarchist transhumanists have.." (once it's posted to hplusmagazine.com) | 12:37 |
| kanzure | or "a group of hackers known as trans-humanists.." | 12:37 |
| Daeken | hahah | 12:37 |
| kanzure | which is funny because you're probably not self-identifying as transhumanist | 12:37 |
| Daeken | oh, i very much am :P | 12:38 |
| jrayhawk | FHI or SI people can probably be convinced to write articles on epistemology and rationality for hplusmagazine pretty easily. | 12:43 |
| uniqanomaly_ | Daeken, youre right, encrypted data doesn't really fit into copyrighted work category | 12:43 |
| kanzure | honestly i don't want the lesswrong.com ilk coming into Humanity+ | 12:44 |
| kanzure | they will just complain about existential risks and how they wouldn't know a worm gear from a bevel gear | 12:44 |
| jrayhawk | Most of the lousy stuff on lw/ob seems to be written by non-SI/FHI people, so far as I can tell. | 12:48 |
| kanzure | hmm | 12:54 |
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| archels | kanzure: heh, heh | 13:06 |
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| kanzure | hplusmagazine.com sez "wow that sounds like something we need to post immediately" | 13:20 |
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| Alystair | kanzure: have any digest-making app hidden up your sleeve for this room? | 13:30 |
| kanzure | unpaid slaves | 13:31 |
| kanzure | (no) | 13:31 |
| Alystair | hmm wonder how much it would cost on mechanical turk to do that | 13:31 |
| Alystair | summizing service | 13:31 |
| kanzure | 1 cent every 10 lines or $1 for 1k lines? | 13:32 |
| kanzure | although it would have to have continuity | 13:32 |
| Daeken | kanzure: any word on the article? i'm anxious to see this before i crash out :P | 13:33 |
| kanzure | r.u. just sent me an email asking how to spell your name (one d) | 13:33 |
| Daeken | ahh | 13:33 |
| Alystair | Daeken: you're getting famous? :) | 13:34 |
| Daeken | Alystair: haha, something like that | 13:34 |
| kanzure | ah i mispelled it once | 13:34 |
| kanzure | apparently this is roman lygin's latest gig: http://www.cadexchanger.com/ | 13:36 |
| kanzure | (we know him from the opencascade world) | 13:36 |
| Alystair | how'd you get your hands on one of the headsets? | 13:46 |
| Daeken | Alystair: got donations | 13:46 |
| Alystair | I meant it's sold out on their site | 13:46 |
| Daeken | oh | 13:46 |
| Daeken | picked it up on ebay :) | 13:46 |
| kanzure | the one i was playing with was given to me as a temporary gift | 13:47 |
| kanzure | Alystair: they are taking preorders at the moment, however | 13:48 |
| kanzure | haha | 13:49 |
| kanzure | "Enterprise Plus Edition" $7500 http://emotiv.com/apps/sdk/207/ | 13:49 |
| Daeken | kanzure: i put in an order for one, and it got refunded and canceled. | 13:49 |
| Alystair | well that's a good sign then | 13:50 |
| Alystair | if they are refunding | 13:50 |
| Alystair | it means they are being honest about it and are working to get more stock, hopefully | 13:50 |
| phryk | kanzure: where the hell do you take your motivation from? | 13:54 |
| kanzure | oh it's easy when you sacrifice your physical health and well-being | 13:55 |
| phryk | My body is all fucked up, anyways. go on... | 13:55 |
| kanzure | but to be honest i don't really know | 13:56 |
| phryk | darn | 13:56 |
| kanzure | part of it is adderall | 13:56 |
| phryk | mhh | 13:56 |
| Alystair | phryk: amphetamiens! | 13:56 |
| Alystair | yeaaaaaaaaaaah | 13:56 |
| phryk | when i was a kid i got that stuff too | 13:56 |
| Alystair | my house has never been so spotless | 13:56 |
| phryk | mhh german name for it was different, though... | 13:56 |
| phryk | Alystair: I only take dex on raves... | 13:56 |
| phryk | don't you get like an amphetamine acne if you take dex too often? | 13:57 |
| Alystair | ?_? | 13:57 |
| phryk | ? | 13:57 |
| Alystair | I take perscribed ritalin | 13:57 |
| Alystair | never heard of that before | 13:57 |
| phryk | dex = dexadrine = dextroamphetamin = amphetamine | 13:57 |
| Alystair | same dif. | 13:57 |
| phryk | dex is what you get as pep, speed or yaba (not meth) | 13:58 |
| phryk | yes, ritalin was the name of the stuff i got, when i was a kid^^ | 13:58 |
| phryk | i once overdosed... I think it was the worst day in the lives of the teachers i had at that time :D | 13:58 |
| kanzure | one of my former psychiatrists prescribed me 60mg of adderall/day | 13:59 |
| kanzure | it was quite crazy | 14:00 |
| phryk | I don't know how much i got... | 14:00 |
| phryk | long ago... | 14:00 |
| kanzure | > Please let me know if you're good with the title. I should have this ready | 14:01 |
| phryk | I passed the math exam just because i learned on dex the day before and took a bomb-thingy just before the exam | 14:01 |
| kanzure | > to post shortly. Also, if you have a suggestion for visuals, please send | 14:01 |
| kanzure | > along and I'll have those added by the design guys (Thomas McCabe etc.) | 14:01 |
| kanzure | > asap. | 14:01 |
| kanzure | wtf since when is thomas one of the design guys | 14:01 |
| Alystair | layoffs? | 14:01 |
| kanzure | what? | 14:02 |
| Alystair | there was someone else before? | 14:02 |
| kanzure | uh, no, i mean.. uh | 14:02 |
| kanzure | i've known thomas for a few years | 14:02 |
| kanzure | and it just surprises me that he's doing that | 14:03 |
| kanzure | i guess he did mention something about volunteering for the magazine | 14:03 |
| kanzure | tmccabe37: hi! | 14:03 |
| kanzure | heh | 14:03 |
| Alystair | speak of the devil | 14:03 |
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| kanzure | "Giulio is a physicist, computer scientist, and former senior manager of the European space administration" | 14:17 |
| kanzure | hmm since when? ESA? that's a kinda important detail i didn't know | 14:18 |
| kanzure | http://www.boingboing.net/2010/09/13/freeopen-library-to.html | 14:26 |
| kanzure | http://hplusmagazine.com/editors-blog/emotiv-epoc-eeg-headset-hacked | 14:34 |
| kanzure | there we go | 14:34 |
| Daeken | awesome! | 14:35 |
| glytch | http://hackaday.com/2010/09/13/python-library-for-emotiv-eeg/ | 14:35 |
| kanzure | glytch: the hplusmagazine.com link there is a full interview | 14:35 |
| kanzure | hehe | 14:35 |
| glytch | i'm watching an ebay auction for an epoc now :) | 14:36 |
| tmccabe37 | kanzure: Hey | 14:37 |
| Daeken | glytch: awesome | 14:37 |
| kanzure | hi tmccabe37 | 14:37 |
| kanzure | thanks for getting the article up | 14:37 |
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| Alystair | I swear we better have a ghost-in-the-shell inter-brain HUD by the time I'm 40 or else I'm pissed | 14:38 |
| Alystair | baby steps :( | 14:38 |
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| tmccabe37 | I've been one of the design guys since July | 14:39 |
| tmccabe37 | (when it was re-launched) | 14:39 |
| glytch | Alystair: that just made me imagine a third optic nerve that we send video signals to directly | 14:39 |
| tmccabe37 | kanzure: Thanks | 14:42 |
| tmccabe37 | In general, I try to do everything as needed :) | 14:42 |
| dustbin | kanzure: I took a look at the code | 14:55 |
| kanzure | it's kinda sadder than i thought it would be | 14:55 |
| kanzure | i'm sorry to disappoint everyone | 14:56 |
| kanzure | i'll be doing some cleanup | 14:56 |
| dustbin | heh | 14:56 |
| dustbin | well I have free time so I can do some cleanup work if you give me parameters | 14:57 |
| kanzure | also i didn't commit the opengl stuff because i haven't decided how to incorporate it :x | 14:57 |
| kanzure | i have a nurbs.py file and a visu.py file somewhere | 14:57 |
| kanzure | the nurbs.py file is pretty obvious and much more cleanly written | 14:57 |
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| kanzure | um, so yeah | 14:58 |
| kanzure | export_step is where everything is at | 14:58 |
| kanzure | and i need to do unit tests on it | 14:58 |
| kanzure | or somehow turn it into a more OOP-friendly method | 14:58 |
| kanzure | if you look at test_sphere you'll see that my test is just using the classes and methods to create a STEP file | 14:59 |
| kanzure | and then literally print those out | 14:59 |
| kanzure | into the proper syntax | 14:59 |
| kanzure | but export_step is super messy | 14:59 |
| kanzure | to be honest the most productive use of your time would be to read the code and yell at me ferociously every few minutes to insult me for awful things | 15:03 |
| QuantumG | wow, I never knew I was being productive | 15:04 |
| QuantumG | jerk | 15:04 |
| kanzure | you're forgetting the "look at the code" ingredient | 15:07 |
| kanzure | example: | 15:07 |
| kanzure | < QuantumG> print x | 15:07 |
| kanzure | < QuantumG> kanzure: YOU ARE A MORON WHY DO YOU EVEN EXIST | 15:08 |
| QuantumG | picky | 15:09 |
| dustbin | my understanding of best practices in python is somewhat lacking, but I do get the feeling this is too monolithic | 15:09 |
| * QuantumG needs breakfast | 15:10 | |
| kanzure | dustbin: yes | 15:10 |
| kanzure | let me commit the nurbs stuff before i shame myself | 15:11 |
| kanzure | ok pull | 15:12 |
| kanzure | open science summit 2010 videos are up | 15:13 |
| kanzure | http://fora.tv/partner/Open_Science_Summit | 15:13 |
| Alystair | just went up? :) | 15:14 |
| kanzure | oh crappp | 15:15 |
| kanzure | bioethics.gov has been streaming all day | 15:15 |
| kanzure | this is the one where jason bobe is presenting | 15:16 |
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| kanzure | "biohacker Meredith Patterson clad in a full length black leather coat recited a rousing rendition of the Biopunk Manifesto" | 15:44 |
| kanzure | trinity much? | 15:44 |
| kanzure | source: http://reason.org/news/show/citizen-science-microfinanced-resea | 15:45 |
| kanzure | emokit stuff on HN http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1687432 | 15:51 |
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| fenn | "honestly i don't want the lesswrong.com ilk coming into Humanity+" too late, they have a board member now | 16:08 |
| kanzure | they got vassar? | 16:09 |
| fenn | doesn't mccabe post at lesswrong occasionally? | 16:11 |
| fenn | http://lesswrong.com/user/tommccabe | 16:11 |
| kanzure | yeah he's pretty deep in that community, i see your point | 16:12 |
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| kanzure | superkuh: http://slackology.net/wxnotes.html | 16:58 |
| kanzure | they monitor background radiation in the atmosphere with some geiger counters hooked up to a tweetawatt | 16:58 |
| superkuh | Neat. Thanks for the tip. | 16:59 |
| kanzure | point of contact for that is 'ambers' on freenode | 16:59 |
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| kanzure | hi redeemer | 17:58 |
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| MDRedeemer | Allo thar | 18:29 |
| MDRedeemer | My internets is saying I cannot have consistent connection | 18:29 |
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| kanzure | hi Helleshin | 18:52 |
| Helleshin | hi | 18:52 |
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| kanzure | bgoertzel sez: "we're gonna be using NeuroSky in our OpenCog project in HongKong" | 19:05 |
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| QuantumG | is NeuroSky some barely started abortion of a project too? | 19:23 |
| kanzure | http://neurosky.com/ | 19:25 |
| QuantumG | heh, so having gotten OpenCog to do nothing with standard user interfaces, they're adding support for exotic ones? | 19:27 |
| kanzure | nah he claims it's just for making it sexy | 19:27 |
| QuantumG | ya know what makes software sexy? actually doing something worth the effort of running it. | 19:27 |
| kanzure | yeah but it READS YOUR MIND! | 19:28 |
| kanzure | hell if i kno | 19:28 |
| kanzure | *know | 19:28 |
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| fenn | stalk: matt carney | 21:09 |
| kanzure | not found O_o | 21:13 |
| fenn | you probably wouldnt have been interested anyway | 21:16 |
| fenn | mechanical engineer, used to work at makani power, now ideo, into robotics and face tracking | 21:18 |
| kanzure | oh sounds awful (?) | 21:20 |
| kanzure | i guess you claim i wouldn't be interested because of the face tracking part | 21:21 |
| fenn | oh wtf he's at meka too? | 21:21 |
| kanzure | fenn any ideas on cleaning up lolcad (architecturally) | 21:22 |
| kanzure | i'm not using sdai for step (i wrote my own pile of crap since it's better than just trusting generated code) | 21:23 |
| kanzure | but the export_step method is a big pile of spagetti | 21:23 |
| fenn | oh fuck that's who the dudes with safari hats were | 21:24 |
| kanzure | are you trying to figure out what happened at burning man | 21:25 |
| fenn | yes | 21:26 |
| fenn | http://www.xlounge.com/neverwas/neverwas_proposal_clip_image004.jpg | 21:26 |
| fenn | was just talking to one of those guys (maybe) in my room | 21:26 |
| kanzure | are they standing in front of a time machine? | 21:27 |
| fenn | no, time machine camp is on the other side of town | 21:27 |
| fenn | er, time traveler camp | 21:27 |
| fenn | next to todd's camp | 21:28 |
| dustbin | I really need to get out to a burn of some sort | 21:30 |
| fenn | funny i didnt even notice google instant until i saw the 'instant is on' notice | 21:30 |
| dustbin | probably burning flipside next year at least | 21:30 |
| fenn | meh | 21:30 |
| fenn | good way to be underwhelmed | 21:31 |
| dustbin | flipside isn't so good eh? | 21:31 |
| fenn | well, velveeta isn't cheese but it's okay on fried bread with tomato soup | 21:32 |
| dustbin | haha | 21:32 |
| dustbin | I do have the advantage of it being very local | 21:33 |
| fenn | flipside: http://www.kimritter.com/weblog/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/flipside-023.jpg | 21:34 |
| fenn | burning man: http://fennetic.net/irc/burningman_2010.jpg | 21:35 |
| fenn | kanzure can you have your secretary do some video editing for me | 21:36 |
| kanzure | wazzup | 21:36 |
| fenn | nevermind | 21:37 |
| fenn | just bitching about 1:1 playback | 21:37 |
| dustbin | you know I had an idea about that | 21:38 |
| dustbin | we can perceive a bit faster than 1:1 | 21:38 |
| fenn | i usually watch lectures at 1.7 | 21:38 |
| fenn | no pitch shifting, makes it garbled | 21:38 |
| dustbin | maybe it would be worth it to have variable speed based on the amount of audio video change in a series of frames | 21:38 |
| fenn | nah has to be smarter than that, or you get lots of footage of me riding my bike around | 21:39 |
| dustbin | ok sure | 21:39 |
| dustbin | I guess relevent complexity is hard to pin down | 21:40 |
| fenn | i was planning on monitoring EEG for signs of "arousal" (thanks, psychologists, sheesh) | 21:40 |
| fenn | GSR, pupil dilation, changes in breathing would be good indicators also | 21:41 |
| kanzure | eyebrow state | 21:41 |
| fenn | fascinating | 21:41 |
| fenn | this scan converter works pretty good | 21:55 |
| fenn | hah eri + joseph + guido just showed up | 21:55 |
| kanzure | where are you? | 21:55 |
| QuantumG | leather party no doubt | 21:56 |
| kanzure | guido's into that, but i dunno about eri | 21:56 |
| QuantumG | btw, I wonder why no-one at Microsoft told the Silverlight team how major/minor versioning works | 21:59 |
| QuantumG | Silverlight = 2.0.5.0, not backwards compatible with 2.0.0.0, and 3.0.0.0 isn't backwards compatible with Silverlight, but is backwards compatible with 2.0.0.0. Way to fail. | 22:00 |
| ybit | QuantumG: windows...? | 22:04 |
| QuantumG | .net but yes | 22:04 |
| QuantumG | if you love Miguel you can have it on linux too | 22:05 |
| ybit | hrm.. | 22:06 |
| ybit | dunno what miguel is | 22:06 |
| QuantumG | he's the traitor of the Linux community | 22:06 |
| ybit | i successfully played around with nanorex on me winxp virtual machine earlier | 22:06 |
| kanzure | the gnome person | 22:06 |
| kanzure | that should have had a question mark at the end: is he the gnome person? | 22:07 |
| ybit | yeah, that doesn't clear up anything | 22:07 |
| kanzure | ybit: there was a big fiasco about gnome becoming dependent on mono/.NET.. | 22:07 |
| ybit | eek | 22:07 |
| kanzure | yeah.. | 22:07 |
| QuantumG | Miguel's love of all things Microsoft goes far beyond .net too | 22:07 |
| ybit | i thought about c# once because there are so many jobs for it, but i didn't want to be sucked into what seems to be a trap | 22:08 |
| ybit | c# isn't a terrible language, by itself | 22:09 |
| QuantumG | it's an ok java alternative | 22:11 |
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| kanzure | ybit: did you read the backlog? | 22:24 |
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| joshcryer | CryptoQuick, QuantumG got me thinking again about a parallel rewriting system that could be suitable for everyday objects, such as chairs, beds, etc. | 23:47 |
| joshcryer | CryptoQuick, and given the absurd popularity of Minecraft I thought of a game idea that could incorporate such systems while also making a few pennies maybe. | 23:47 |
| CryptoQuick | it's insane how popular that game is | 23:48 |
| CryptoQuick | which is great, because Nanoblok is very similar, or will be, in a sense | 23:48 |
| joshcryer | Yeah it's obscene really. | 23:48 |
| joshcryer | Guys a millionare already. | 23:48 |
| joshcryer | What could the open hardware movement do with a million bucks. | 23:48 |
| joshcryer | I dunno. | 23:48 |
| joshcryer | End poverty or something? World domination at the least... ;) | 23:49 |
| CryptoQuick | I was thinking, once I got Nanoblok's engine going, it would be totally sweet if someone could design an auxon system in it. | 23:49 |
| joshcryer | So the idea is to take Notcis and add Minecraft. | 23:49 |
| joshcryer | And optimistically a formal grammer to make 'things.' | 23:49 |
| QuantumG | heh, you saw that term on Selenian Boondocks | 23:50 |
| CryptoQuick | haha, josh, your idea is my iea | 23:50 |
| QuantumG | stop stalking me :) | 23:50 |
| joshcryer | So you could plop down on a fully populated civilization. | 23:50 |
| CryptoQuick | QuantumG: I saw that term because I said the term :P | 23:50 |
| QuantumG | Alex T? | 23:50 |
| CryptoQuick | whois me :P | 23:50 |
| joshcryer | Haha | 23:50 |
| QuantumG | well that's ok then | 23:51 |
| CryptoQuick | so... stop stalking ME | 23:51 |
| CryptoQuick | sir | 23:51 |
| CryptoQuick | :P | 23:51 |
| QuantumG | see my last post on that thread? http://selenianboondocks.com/2010/09/transitions/ | 23:51 |
| joshcryer | And technically. | 23:51 |
| joshcryer | He got the term from ME | 23:51 |
| joshcryer | From a paper I provided to this channel. :P | 23:51 |
| CryptoQuick | oh sweet, they're looking at Louisville, CO | 23:51 |
| QuantumG | scary.. I replied to him pretending I knew what he was talking about because of that paper | 23:52 |
| CryptoQuick | I should totally work for him | 23:52 |
| QuantumG | fucking echo chamber | 23:52 |
| CryptoQuick | as an intern or something | 23:52 |
| CryptoQuick | haha | 23:52 |
| CryptoQuick | but yeah, Josh, how is your idea all that different from my idea? | 23:52 |
| joshcryer | QuantumG our minds are all connected. | 23:53 |
| joshcryer | Fuck H+ we already have it. | 23:53 |
| joshcryer | CryptoQuick, eh, I'm thinking more of a mathematical approach. | 23:54 |
| joshcryer | And screw voxels. | 23:54 |
| CryptoQuick | minecraft is basically voxels, isn't it? | 23:55 |
| joshcryer | Yeah! | 23:55 |
| joshcryer | Ridiculous, haha. | 23:55 |
| joshcryer | And before someone pops up and bashes me for thinking in terms of polygons, no, I appreciate CSG and NURBS, etc. | 23:55 |
| joshcryer | And indeed, fundamentally l-systems are mathematical like NURBS, they're not polygons. | 23:56 |
| joshcryer | aw crap I replied to your comment on FB, my bad, no offense intended | 23:57 |
| CryptoQuick | so, you're going to have volumes, and attach things such as substance and momentum and other physical properties, to those volumes? | 23:58 |
| joshcryer | So yeah, imagine, you're in a space ship, and instead of having some random terrain generated, you get a whole PLANET to play with. | 23:58 |
| joshcryer | In a Noctis-inspired galaxy. | 23:58 |
| QuantumG | CryptoQuick: you're beautiful.. you're beautiful.. you're beautiful, it's true. I saw your face, on a crowded webspace..... [/stalker] | 23:58 |
| CryptoQuick | QuantumG: paint a pretty picture of me | 23:58 |
| QuantumG | joshcryer: http://www-evasion.imag.fr/Membres/Eric.Bruneton/ | 23:59 |
| joshcryer | QuantumG, <3, I saw this linked by you in #space I believe. | 23:59 |
| CryptoQuick | oh, yeah, I saw this too | 23:59 |
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