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| kanzure | hi timschmidt | 07:23 |
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| kanzure | national instruments interview http://kn.theiet.org/magazine/issues/1014/enterprising-engineer-1014.cfm | 07:36 |
| fenn | woo woo fixed the makerbot | 07:37 |
| fenn | i better quit while i'm ahead | 07:38 |
| kanzure | declare it a success and ask for venture capital | 07:42 |
| CryptoQuick | ??? | 07:46 |
| CryptoQuick | profit | 07:46 |
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| archels | http://www.looxcie.com/ | 08:08 |
| fenn | i need to get better at following my own advice | 08:09 |
| CryptoQuick | fenn: did you break it | 08:12 |
| fenn | naw, just backtracked for a half hour | 08:12 |
| CryptoQuick | you lost an entire half hour of your life!? shoot, you could have just watched dancing with the stars | 08:13 |
| archels | I think that would have meant the demise of countless more neurons. | 08:15 |
| CryptoQuick | archels: most people over 30 years old will probably not understand Looxcie, much less buy it | 08:15 |
| CryptoQuick | but those of the Facebook generation will probably see this as the mark of ascension to a higher plane of social media | 08:15 |
| CryptoQuick | I personally think it's brilliant, and hope they'll make it better and smaller | 08:16 |
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| archels | It's a nifty piece of engineering, but what makes it brilliant without the right augmented reality (possibly H+) software? | 08:25 |
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| fenn | aw shit | 08:46 |
| kanzure | so the cia has been reading fenn's brainz.. and feeding it to looxcie? | 08:47 |
| kanzure | that's their grand plan? | 08:47 |
| fenn | but it's all gay | 08:47 |
| CryptoQuick | all gay, all day | 08:47 |
| archels | CryptoQuick: ^ what makes it brilliant? | 08:49 |
| kanzure | facial recognition + social networking | 08:50 |
| kanzure | better hop on that bandwagon while nobody can get it to work | 08:50 |
| CryptoQuick | archels: well, I mean, it's not like I hadn't had the idea before, and surely the rest of you all had it as well. It's brilliant in that they're actually making it. | 08:51 |
| fenn | it's trivial | 08:52 |
| fenn | all off the shelf technology | 08:52 |
| kanzure | well yeah, except nobody has done it :P | 08:53 |
| fenn | hm it's only half vga and five hours storage? that's awful | 08:53 |
| archels | CryptoQuick: Yeah, but what applications are you envisioning? | 08:53 |
| CryptoQuick | archels: I just want to be able to have a camera that's always getting what I'm looking at, in case something cool happens in an instant. Besides, it's always an interruption to get my phone out to get a photo of something. This would be great. | 08:55 |
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| fenn | also their "blinking red light lets people know you're recording" doesn't violate causality | 08:55 |
| kanzure | open hardware tech roadmap wiki http://ohroadmap.org/ | 08:56 |
| CryptoQuick | oh lame, blinking red light | 08:56 |
| CryptoQuick | gotta take that out, or tape over it | 08:56 |
| kanzure | "almost ready to anything" talk from open hardware summit http://www.slideshare.net/thatMITREguy/osh-summit-talkv15 | 08:56 |
| CryptoQuick | "almost ready to anything" ? did he accidentally his verb? | 08:57 |
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| kanzure | CryptoQuick: heck if i know | 08:59 |
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| fenn | aw man, i shoulda quit while i was ahead | 09:13 |
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| archels | fenn: You told you so. | 09:13 |
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| fenn | must have fried both mosfets somehow | 09:20 |
| archels | Oh, you're doing hardware? What are you building? | 09:20 |
| kanzure | makerbot/cupcakecnc | 09:20 |
| fenn | i am NOT building a makerbot | 09:21 |
| fenn | i'm sick of this shit | 09:22 |
| fenn | it's the most awful design ever | 09:22 |
| fenn | rawr | 09:22 |
| fenn | it's like they tried to make it hard | 09:22 |
| * ybit howls along with fenn's rawring | 09:22 | |
| kanzure | what are you building | 09:22 |
| archels | The new RepRap seemed to have a pretty optimised and well thought-out design maybe half a year ago. | 09:22 |
| fenn | a mini mendel | 09:22 |
| CryptoQuick | what's it called? huxley? | 09:22 |
| CryptoQuick | I liked the Atlas design better | 09:23 |
| CryptoQuick | it was... bigger :D | 09:23 |
| fenn | need more general knowhow with heated chambers for that to matter | 09:24 |
| kanzure | humanityplus.org is asking around for a new layout/theme (wordperss theme.. but i can convert if necessary) | 09:24 |
| archels | fenn: Does it look like this? http://reprap.org/mediawiki/images/5/59/Big_huxley.jpg | 09:26 |
| archels | (generally speaking) | 09:26 |
| fenn | yeah but i dunno why that's labeled huxley | 09:27 |
| fenn | oh it was renamed? what a sucky name | 09:27 |
| archels | Alright, that's the design I'm referring to. Do you have the hardware all set up? | 09:27 |
| fenn | it moves around and stuff, but the electronics havent even been ordered | 09:29 |
| fenn | who's the asshole who decided to rename something and then not fix any of the links | 09:31 |
| CryptoQuick | I appreciated the reprapped PCBs | 09:31 |
| CryptoQuick | http://reprap.org/wiki/File:Finished-pcbs.jpg | 09:31 |
| fenn | every time i look at the reprap stuff i just want to cry | 09:32 |
| kanzure | good thing you never looked at the repos :P | 09:32 |
| fenn | i did | 09:33 |
| fenn | it was a good start.. but that's the thing, it's always just "a good start" | 09:33 |
| kanzure | no follow through? | 09:34 |
| kanzure | timschmidt: ping | 09:34 |
| fenn | why are the pololu's tilted? | 09:35 |
| CryptoQuick | fenn: so that the fan can get better coverage over, I believe those are mosfets | 09:36 |
| fenn | "slight angle to make it easier to get a screwdriver in to adjust their current-setting pots" | 09:36 |
| CryptoQuick | lol | 09:36 |
| CryptoQuick | well, shoot, I always figured it had more function than that | 09:37 |
| CryptoQuick | but hey, being able to tune your pots is a good function also :) | 09:38 |
| fenn | i like peer's version of the pololu electronics.. single sided, everything snaps onto the arduino | 09:40 |
| fenn | not sure why everybody tilts them sideways like that | 09:41 |
| fenn | er, ian england, not peer | 09:43 |
| kanzure | "We also attempted last year to create a web-based, one-click printing architecture from a Ruby on Rails web server to an ethernet-adapted Cupcake CNC (code available at http://github.com/makeone/makeone) with limited success" | 09:49 |
| kanzure | http://github.com/makeone/makeone | 09:50 |
| kanzure | hm. | 09:50 |
| fenn | mitre is making drivers for makerbot? | 09:52 |
| kanzure | should i know mitre.org? | 09:53 |
| kanzure | fenn: btw that was from an email just posted to om | 09:53 |
| fenn | mitre is like cold-war era r&d | 09:53 |
| kanzure | woops it hasn't posted yet | 09:55 |
| kanzure | http://groups.google.com/group/openmanufacturing/browse_thread/thread/4522b1c0852007cb | 09:55 |
| kanzure | heh we should get him to sponsor vehicleforge | 09:57 |
| kanzure | "On July 10, 1985, mitre.org was the first .org domain name registered, and it remains in use by the company today" | 09:57 |
| kanzure | on a related note in early january i was talking with theiman <theiman@mitre.org> | 09:59 |
| kanzure | about opencog | 09:59 |
| kanzure | Thomas J. Heiman tags: ["papers", "agi", "genes", "proteins", "ai", "narrow ai", "mrna", "graphs"] 703-983-2951 | 09:59 |
| kanzure | ferrouswheel: do you know thomas? | 10:00 |
| * fenn goes home | 10:01 | |
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| JayDugger | Good afternoon, everyone. | 10:08 |
| kanzure | hi | 10:12 |
| kristianpaul | hey | 10:13 |
| CryptoQuick | sup | 10:14 |
| JayDugger | Reading back over the logs, did someone want to redevelop the old DejaView CamWear with better hardware? | 10:19 |
| kanzure | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JASON_%28advisory_group%29 | 10:20 |
| JayDugger | Have you read the "Tactical Nuclear Weapons in Southeast Asia?" | 10:22 |
| archels | JayDugger: By better hardware, I hope you don't mean QVGA. ;) | 10:22 |
| JayDugger | No, I mean an encoder that doesn't use MJPEG. | 10:23 |
| JayDugger | If you want to recreate hardware of the early 2000s, how about an open-source Fingerworks keyboard? | 10:28 |
| kanzure | okfn.org (open knowledge foundation) has an etherpad site thingy over here http://okfnpad.org/zcam2010 | 10:35 |
| kanzure | dunno if there's good stuff on there or not | 10:35 |
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| fenn | JayDugger: if you can figure out how to do that with mplayer and fifo's for me that'd be great | 10:41 |
| fenn | or maybe i parsed that wrong | 10:42 |
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| fenn | JayDugger: http://www.flickr.com/photos/fennfoot/4997430078/ plus beagleboard and some software | 10:46 |
| fenn | but it kinda sucks in low light | 10:46 |
| fenn | that's from a "gooseneck webcam" | 10:46 |
| fenn | weird how if you search for 'smallest webcam' you get a bunch of regular webcams back | 10:47 |
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| timschmidt | kanzure:pong | 10:57 |
| kanzure | fenn is complaining about stuff that you could probably help with | 10:58 |
| timschmidt | orly? | 11:10 |
| timschmidt | ah, yes, I can provide a guiding hand through the jungle that is reprap | 11:12 |
| timschmidt | my mendel(s) are reproducing rapidly | 11:12 |
| timschmidt | and I agree wholeheartedly about the repos | 11:14 |
| timschmidt | it's a culture problem | 11:14 |
| timschmidt | The lead folks in the project are not developers | 11:14 |
| timschmidt | and don't care for development | 11:14 |
| timschmidt | and it shows | 11:14 |
| kanzure | timschmidt: so let's fork it | 11:15 |
| timschmidt | fortunately, reprap-dev mailing list is now open to the public | 11:15 |
| timschmidt | So we just need more participation | 11:16 |
| timschmidt | more sane voices | 11:16 |
| kanzure | i was very surprised to see submodules (subcomponents) copied all over the place | 11:16 |
| kanzure | it'd be like emacs including libc6 or something | 11:16 |
| timschmidt | right | 11:16 |
| timschmidt | ridiculous | 11:16 |
| kanzure | but, there are some open questions as to how to actually do 'er right | 11:16 |
| kanzure | would you just put some notes in a documentation file saying "see this other project here for your extruder" | 11:17 |
| kanzure | (and then make the extruder project a dependency or something) | 11:17 |
| timschmidt | No, I think extruders can be included... I'd do that for electronics though | 11:18 |
| timschmidt | and I'd lump electronics and firmware into the same repo | 11:18 |
| kanzure | firmware can change though | 11:19 |
| kanzure | i mean, uh | 11:19 |
| timschmidt | sure, but when hardware changes, firmware often has to change with it | 11:19 |
| kanzure | isn't the idea that you have a stable release of the electronics, and then the firmware can be developed for that version | 11:19 |
| kanzure | and the firmware can be developed for whatever later revisions of the electronics too | 11:19 |
| timschmidt | well that would be nice | 11:19 |
| kanzure | it just makes sense to me.. | 11:20 |
| kanzure | i guess it depends on the cycle | 11:20 |
| kanzure | development cycle i mean | 11:20 |
| kanzure | do we have people still using ancient electronics :P | 11:20 |
| kanzure | or do people regularly build the new stuff | 11:20 |
| timschmidt | right now, much of the core dev team is opposed to the concept of versioned releases | 11:20 |
| timschmidt | insanity | 11:20 |
| kanzure | (also setting up a proper deprecation schedule would be hawt) | 11:20 |
| kanzure | well think about it | 11:20 |
| kanzure | even if they weren't against it, how would they do it | 11:21 |
| kanzure | technically something like this hasn't been done before in the world of open source | 11:21 |
| timschmidt | easy enough | 11:21 |
| timschmidt | yes it has | 11:21 |
| kanzure | in the CAD world, you have PDM systems or whatever defining versions and releases and stuff like that | 11:21 |
| timschmidt | I keep telling the rest of the devs this | 11:21 |
| kanzure | in an open source project? | 11:21 |
| kanzure | may i see | 11:21 |
| timschmidt | "we are not special" | 11:21 |
| kanzure | i've been craving a properly done hardware/electronics project that is properly versioned, has releases, separated repos, deprecation schedules, etc. | 11:22 |
| kanzure | so if you have a link :D | 11:22 |
| timschmidt | We have 95% of the cad work in OpenSCAD (and I'm excited about lolcad BTW), so that's just software, that's easy to diff and merge, and release stable versions of | 11:22 |
| kanzure | lolcad | 11:22 |
| kanzure | so anyway.. can you show me a community around an open source hardware project that meets those criteria | 11:22 |
| kanzure | because i really do think this is new, in terms of open source hardware | 11:22 |
| timschmidt | yeah, I think so | 11:23 |
| kanzure | and these guys aren't professional engineers so they don't have experience in the field with "how it feels when it works right" | 11:23 |
| kanzure | to be blunt, adrian is a scholar and they tend to slap up stuff that "works" and be done with it | 11:23 |
| timschmidt | I'm not sure about deprecation schedules, but proper versioning, sure | 11:23 |
| kanzure | liiinks | 11:23 |
| timschmidt | Agreed | 11:23 |
| * timschmidt is thinking | 11:24 | |
| kanzure | anyway.. uh | 11:24 |
| JayDugger | Fenn: I'll look through the logs and check out your photostream before I ask any (possibly foolish) questions. | 11:24 |
| kanzure | re: lolcad, i was working on a visualization front-end for it | 11:25 |
| timschmidt | excellent | 11:25 |
| kanzure | but then i remembered i suck at opengl/gui interfacing, so i just left that dangling | 11:25 |
| kanzure | it can visualize simple nurb objects, but it's not related to the STEP exporting (which is the primary function) | 11:25 |
| timschmidt | One of the things I don't want to leave behind with OpenSCAD is the quick and easy workflow | 11:25 |
| kanzure | well, the lolcad workflow is: open up a python interpreter, type out spheres and cubes and other wacky shit, and see it in an opengl portview | 11:25 |
| kanzure | then type step_export(my_model, "filename.stp") | 11:26 |
| timschmidt | that's fine | 11:26 |
| kanzure | (or just save the .py script, blah blah blah) | 11:26 |
| timschmidt | right | 11:26 |
| kanzure | i am not sure if i should do my own tessellation algorithm or use something that tessellates STEP models | 11:26 |
| kanzure | or just let the end users figure out how they want to convert it to STL | 11:26 |
| timschmidt | I don't mind that the editor is separate (in fact, it's an advantage)... but having a 3D view of the part that is easy to periodically refresh is critical | 11:27 |
| kanzure | it refreshes immediately on each change | 11:27 |
| kanzure | (since it's an interactive interpreter) | 11:27 |
| kanzure | git://diyhpl.us/lolcad.git | 11:27 |
| kanzure | granted, the interactive demo isn't working yet :P so don't go looking for it | 11:27 |
| timschmidt | I would like it to have at least a simple tesselation algo built in. It doesn't have to be anywhere near perfect (see: OpenSCAD), but something that lets me get a 'good enough' STL without having to fire up Blender would be nice | 11:27 |
| kanzure | one option for that is to include a pythonOCC script, but OCC is a huuuge dependency | 11:28 |
| kanzure | i should just roll my own | 11:28 |
| timschmidt | brb | 11:29 |
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| kanzure | gah don't you kids know how to .. well, not /quit? | 11:29 |
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| timschmidt | I'm excited to be able to include any python module in a script, etc. | 11:30 |
| timschmidt | infinite more power than OpenSCAD | 11:30 |
| kanzure | sympy :) | 11:31 |
| kanzure | also you don't have to do weird tricks just to get a variable or conditional statement | 11:31 |
| kanzure | (wtf) | 11:31 |
| timschmidt | right | 11:31 |
| timschmidt | There's been some discussion about possibly going this route with future OpenSCAD on the mailing list... have you posted about your code there? | 11:32 |
| kanzure | so my todo list is (1) visualizer, (2) testing of the STEP exporter (standards compliance and whatnot), (3) simple tessellator, (4) more advanced surface manipulation routines (like blends, chamfers, stuff) | 11:32 |
| kanzure | huh i'm subscribed to the openscad list but i haven't seen those discussions | 11:32 |
| timschmidt | nothing major, just some talk about whether or not to switch to an existing language (python was mentioned) or stick it out with the current interpreter | 11:40 |
| JayDugger | Ah, log reading reminds me. | 11:55 |
| JayDugger | Two Stuxnet-related papers get delivered on 29 September at a conference in B.C.. One from Microsoft, and the other from the German fellow behind the analysis driving the speculation about Stuxnet-as-weapon. | 11:56 |
| JayDugger | kanzure, do you yet want people to review the Gada prize guidelines? | 11:59 |
| kanzure | JayDugger: yeah it hasn't been finalized yet so if you have comments, they can be incorporated | 12:00 |
| kanzure | "an open book about open hardware" what? http://www.smarttypes.org/ | 12:06 |
| kanzure | and "the book" is just a google doc with a few words written: | 12:07 |
| kanzure | https://docs.google.com/document/edit?id=1crMdQujoureFv56-k5XABM2ANPxwnBkrERNgMchmZ5o&hl=en&pli=1# | 12:07 |
| kanzure | heh: | 12:11 |
| kanzure | http://www.openhardwaresummit.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=50 | 12:11 |
| kanzure | "During the conference discussion of the open hw definition with its many points of contention, I was left wondering if starting by writing the criterea for licenses is going about things backwards." | 12:11 |
| kanzure | "Would it perhaps be better to approach the problem by drafting some prototype licenses of different flavors, trying them out (thought experiment or small projects) and only then writing the open hw definition based on lessons learned?" | 12:11 |
| kanzure | "Essentially, after the point was repeatedly made that open source hardware is about the unexpected applications a community will invent in contrast to the limited visions of top down design, in a way starting with a qualifications standards for licenses has an ironic bit of top down ring to it." | 12:11 |
| JayDugger | A sudden attack of sense, that. | 12:12 |
| kanzure | http://groups.google.com/group/stl2 | 12:24 |
| kanzure | "The STL 2.0 group is an ASTM-driven consortium interested in defining a new Additive-Manufacturing file format. The new format is to replace the current de-facto standard STL file format. This email group is open to anyone interested in shaping this specification." | 12:24 |
| kanzure | haha hod lipson is the top poster | 12:25 |
| kanzure | figures | 12:25 |
| kanzure | woo! just got the greenlight on finalizing the gada prize doc | 12:26 |
| kanzure | JayDugger: so ideally if you have serious concerns about the proposal in the document, now would be a good time to tell me :P | 12:26 |
| JayDugger | Almost done editing. | 12:26 |
| JayDugger | I keep wanting to rewrite it in E-Prime, but that's a personal quirk. I won't. :) | 12:28 |
| JayDugger | If Google Docs wasn't so damned flaky, this would go faster... | 12:28 |
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| kanzure | stl2 survey http://www.mae.cornell.edu/lipson/stl2.htm | 12:32 |
| JayDugger | Have you considered talking with the X-Prize foundation for publicity? | 12:35 |
| JayDugger | Sorry...context-deficient comment. | 12:35 |
| JayDugger | kanzure, have you or anyone at H+ considered asking X-Prize foundation to publicize the Gada Prize? | 12:35 |
| JayDugger | kanzure, do you know if anyone called Foresight Institute and asked about consulting done to establish the current prize criteria? | 12:37 |
| JayDugger | Okay, so other than running diction and style over the text, I'm done. | 12:37 |
| JayDugger | For future reference, almost done means "eleven more minutes." :) | 12:38 |
| kanzure | peter diamandis (founder of the x-prize) is president of singularity university | 12:40 |
| kanzure | there was consulting done by foresight institute for the prize criteria with the reprap core team devz | 12:41 |
| JayDugger | That's fine. So long as it satisfies you. | 12:41 |
| JayDugger | Awesome! Sigma-Aldrich sells "Cyanobacteria BG-11 Freshwater Solution." | 12:42 |
| epitron | oh dear | 12:43 |
| JayDugger | At $80/L, it remains cheaper to buy the end result. | 12:44 |
| kanzure | alessandro delfanti sez: "i just moved to LA to study citizen science with chris kelty at UCLA" | 12:44 |
| kanzure | didn't know chris was looking for pupils :P | 12:44 |
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| JayDugger | Good night, everyone. Time for bed. | 13:01 |
| kanzure | night | 13:02 |
| kanzure | thanks for the comments | 13:02 |
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| Utopiah | kanzure: on the perception of time http://www.eaglemanlab.net/time/our-experimental-questions | 13:45 |
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| kanzure | updated http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/hplusgada.pdf | 13:56 |
| kanzure | Utopiah: thank you :) | 14:03 |
| Utopiah | np | 14:03 |
| kanzure | "For example, a subject might move the mouse to the right, and 150 msec later, the movement registers on screen. Our findings show two striking results: first, participants playing the game quickly come to feel as though there is less delay between their mouse movement | 14:05 |
| kanzure | and the sensory feedback, and second, when we suddenly remove the delay, it feels as though the effect on the screen happened just before they commanded it." | 14:05 |
| kanzure | Motor-sensory recalibration leads to an illusory reversal of action and sensation http://www.eaglemanlab.net/papers/StetsonetalNeuron2006.pdf | 14:05 |
| kanzure | "Many people report that time appears to run in slow motion when they find themselves in an impending car accident -- for example, sliding toward a bad situation." | 14:06 |
| kanzure | what?? | 14:06 |
| kanzure | "Crudely speaking, are neural 'snapshots' clicking faster during a high-adrenaline situation? To bring this into the realm of scientific study, we have measured time perception during free-fall by strapping palm-top computers to their wrists and having them perform psychophysical experiments as they fall." | 14:06 |
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| kanzure | hm megan is todd's "assistant" | 15:05 |
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| kanzure | i really don't know what's going on here | 15:48 |
| kanzure | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hatsune_Miku | 15:48 |
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| kanzure | http://www.zero-g.co.uk/media/images/vocaloid_screenshot.jpg i guess that explains it | 15:57 |
| jrayhawk | When climbing a tree as a child, a branch broke from under me and I was able to assess several potential courses of action in fall that followed in what seemed like slow motion. | 16:09 |
| jrayhawk | It was *very* fast onset, though. Not sure if adrenaline would be able to do that. | 16:09 |
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| kanzure | more biocurious stuff http://www.tmcnet.com/usubmit/-biohackers-aim-open-silicon-valley-lab-group-research-/2010/09/23/5025995.htm | 16:41 |
| kanzure | http://www.contracostatimes.com/education/ci_16158410 | 16:41 |
| kanzure | http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/a-new-social-contract-for-open-science/2010/09/24 | 16:41 |
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| kanzure | research areas of mad scientists 1810-2010 http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/8/2010/09/madsci-decades2.jpg | 17:23 |
| kanzure | http://io9.com/5646481/the-chosen-research-areas-of-mad-scientists-1810+2010 | 17:24 |
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| kanzure | guy kills himself in front of his harvard class and leaves a 2000 page suicide note.. uh, book | 18:21 |
| kanzure | http://www.suicidenote.info/ | 18:21 |
| Utopiah | hardcore marketing | 18:23 |
| uniqanomaly | impressive, in a weird fashion | 18:25 |
| uniqanomaly | waiting for copycat suicides | 18:27 |
| kanzure | well, it is copyleft :P | 18:29 |
| uniqanomaly | The Seditious Genius of the Spiritual Penis of Jesus | 18:31 |
| uniqanomaly | sounds great, I think I'll start from this | 18:32 |
| kanzure | haha he cites james hughes | 18:36 |
| kanzure | i like his analysis of hughes :) | 18:38 |
| kanzure | "For this reason, Hughes suggested that the government subsidize eugenic programs for the lower and middle class" | 18:41 |
| epitron | mitchell heisman looks like an asshole | 18:41 |
| kanzure | everyone at harvard does | 18:43 |
| Utopiah | now that was diplomatic ;) | 18:46 |
| kanzure | http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1704180 "the transient phosphorylation of PGAM1 is a mechanism by which PEP is converted to pyruvate at a meaningful rate" | 18:47 |
| joshcryer | kanzure, I was just reading that guys suicide note, hilarious stuff. | 19:18 |
| joshcryer | Did a word count on it, it's only around 500k words, so the "1900 page" thing is kinda misleading. | 19:19 |
| joshcryer | Yet another anti-technology screed, only this guy, uh, did us all a favor. | 19:21 |
| epitron | also he didn't go to harvard | 19:21 |
| epitron | and killed himself outside the building | 19:21 |
| joshcryer | He didn't? | 19:24 |
| joshcryer | Ahh, he didn't go to Harvard, got ya. Misread. | 19:26 |
| kanzure | the james hughes stuff is on page 1688, 1690, 1693-1698 | 19:29 |
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| kanzure | livelong@stanleyknutson.com | 20:01 |
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| JayDugger | Why the Norman Conquest was the World-Historical Ass-Kicking that Deflected the English-speaking World from the German Path to Nazism | 21:58 |
| JayDugger | The suicide note has good taglines. | 21:58 |
| JayDugger | Vocaloid's interestinglll | 22:01 |
| kanzure | i just don't get them http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JGaQ3g8WU4 | 22:12 |
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| JayDugger | I think it would impress me more if I listened to music with lyrics. | 22:17 |
| JayDugger | Good morning, Phreedom. | 22:17 |
| Phreedom | hi :) | 22:19 |
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