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QuantumG | anyone wanna talk about genetic engineering of macroscopic organisms? | 01:37 |
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CryptoQuick | sure, I have a few friends who are into that, I mean, they think about it from time to time in their field of study | 01:38 |
CryptoQuick | I also can hold my own in a conversation of biology, I'd like to think ;) | 01:38 |
CryptoQuick | what sort of organisms are we talking about here? humans? :) | 01:38 |
QuantumG | I'm thinking trees | 01:38 |
CryptoQuick | oh | 01:38 |
CryptoQuick | well, a tree is fine too | 01:39 |
QuantumG | I'd like a tree that (somehow) stores the oxygen it "exhales" | 01:39 |
QuantumG | and by that I mean, it has a cavity that it maintains full of oxygen | 01:39 |
CryptoQuick | well, there were the hydrogen 'trees' in that one animated movie, Titan A.E. | 01:40 |
QuantumG | heh, nice | 01:40 |
CryptoQuick | something similar, basically a big ballooon membrane surrounded by foliage | 01:40 |
CryptoQuick | that might work | 01:40 |
QuantumG | I'm thinking of trees that float in the atmosphere of venus.. inhaling CO2 and filling an internal volume with O2.. obviously designing it so that it maintains an appropriate altitude would be good too | 01:41 |
CryptoQuick | oh, totally | 01:42 |
CryptoQuick | like in Cowboy Bebop :) | 01:42 |
CryptoQuick | (just make sure it can't make spores that blind people ... :T) | 01:42 |
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QuantumG | probably not a great idea no | 01:43 |
CryptoQuick | I think something more practical like airship algae bioreactors might be in order | 01:44 |
QuantumG | be nice to seed Venus and then think about going there when there's a thick canopy of trees floating at the appropriate altitude with internal volumes of breathable air.. | 01:44 |
QuantumG | well, if you think making self replicating airships would be easier :P | 01:45 |
CryptoQuick | the other thing is, where's the sweet spot in altitude between -optimal- solar insolation and whether we're still in the atmosphere | 01:45 |
CryptoQuick | considering that shit is thick | 01:45 |
CryptoQuick | it probably would be, but that's my bias towards auxon megaprojects :P | 01:45 |
QuantumG | bioengineering is a lot more sexy these days | 01:46 |
phryk | QuantumG: Think... 'Real-life Furries' | 01:47 |
QuantumG | surely that's easy | 01:47 |
phryk | What I mean is... | 01:48 |
phryk | People will very propably do that. | 01:48 |
QuantumG | I mean, there's known compounds that accelerate hair growth.. I'd be surprised if there aint furries who bath in it. | 01:48 |
QuantumG | Jesus loves everyone, except furries. | 01:48 |
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CryptoQuick | QuantumG, sorry about that, my internet gave out | 01:54 |
CryptoQuick | Comcast does that sometimes during the middle of the night | 01:54 |
CryptoQuick | I'm on my wwan card now :T | 01:54 |
CryptoQuick | brb | 01:59 |
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QuantumG | just watched these idiots on Monster Garage make a "mudding" car with no bonnet .. and they wonder why the engine stopped working after the first race. | 02:04 |
CryptoQuick | :T | 02:11 |
CryptoQuick | augh! it's 3am | 02:21 |
CryptoQuick | I should get some rest. peace :) | 02:21 |
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kanzure | another techshop article: http://www.mbtmag.com/Content.aspx?id=1051 | 05:39 |
kanzure | stuxnet speculation has gotten hilarious latel (international cyberwarfare?) http://www.garysky.net/stuxnet-fact-vs-theory.html | 05:42 |
kanzure | it's also funny how people are saying it would require a corporation to write the software | 05:43 |
kanzure | honestly from what i've seen, i could have written stuxnet | 05:43 |
kanzure | "In a demonstration at the Virus Bulletin Conference in Vancouver late last week, Symantec researcher Liam O'Murchu showed the potential real world effects of Stuxnet. He used an S7-300 PLC device connected to an air pump toprogram the pump to run for three seconds." | 05:45 |
kanzure | "He then showed how a Stuxnet-infected PLC could change the operation so the pump ran for 140 seconds instead, which burst an attached balloon in a dramatic climax, according to Threat Post." | 05:45 |
uniqanomaly | have they pull out zero hour yet? | 05:47 |
uniqanomaly | if there's hard coded one ofc. | 05:47 |
uniqanomaly | pulled * i guess .. | 05:48 |
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epitron | kanzure: it would take a bit more than your average kid in his basement to get their hands on the PLC devices :) | 06:55 |
epitron | but, cybercrime networks are so massive and sprawling | 06:56 |
epitron | it's not like it would be hard for anybody to contract one of these virus makers | 06:56 |
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kanzure | epitron: PLCs are not hard to come by... | 07:05 |
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archels | Can anyone get beyong this paywall? http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg19826611.400-does-the-brain-feature-builtin-noise.html | 07:20 |
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epitron | kanzure: the kid's mom would ask questions though | 08:02 |
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epitron | dang, my journal access just expired. | 08:05 |
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kanzure | hi dustbin | 09:24 |
dustbin | yo | 09:24 |
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Juul | kanzure, what's a good brief into (perhaps video) to transhumanism for people unfamilar with the term? | 11:15 |
kanzure | space collective probably | 11:26 |
Juul | hm | 11:49 |
kanzure | what is alibre's file format? | 11:53 |
kanzure | Heidi Ledford. Garage biotech: Life hackers. Amateur hobbyists are creating home-brew molecular-biology labs, but can they ferment a revolution? Nature 467, 650-652 (2010) | doi:10.1038/467650a | 12:02 |
kanzure | http://www.nature.com/news/2010/101006/full/467650a.html | 12:02 |
kanzure | Editorial. Garage biology: Amateur scientists who experiment at home should be welcomed by the professionals. Nature. Volume 467: p.634 (07 October 2010) doi:10.1038/467634a | 12:02 |
kanzure | http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v467/n7316/full/467634a.html | 12:02 |
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kanzure | fenn: there's a quantified self meetup at autodesk tonight | 12:44 |
kanzure | fenn: take the hint and schmooze your way into autodesk | 12:44 |
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kanzure | JayDugger: i've revised my mechanical turk idea | 13:40 |
kanzure | JayDugger: if you're paying $50 for a 20% response rate, why not just bribe the users to respond to your messages by paying them per response? | 13:41 |
kanzure | :P | 13:41 |
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fenn | gah this guy just keeps showing up everywhere http://octopart.com/blog/ | 14:21 |
fenn | kanzure: i'm not very good at schmoozing | 14:21 |
kanzure | bre pettis or the octopart guy? | 14:22 |
kanzure | andres from octopart was the one who convinced me to put octopart.py into skdb | 14:22 |
fenn | i'm just wondering why digikey never shows up in any of the results | 14:23 |
kanzure | on octopart.com? probably because digikey is a competitor to octopart | 14:23 |
kanzure | i thought digikey is primarily a cccccatalog +++ drop shhiiiippppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppping service | 14:24 |
kanzure | god dammn it | 14:24 |
kanzure | yeah they are a distributor http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digikey | 14:25 |
kanzure | wow wtf "in 2007 EE Times conducted a survey in which engineers rated Digi-Key "#1 for Overall Performance for the 16th Consecutive Year." | 14:26 |
kanzure | sorry but last i checked digikey.com sucks, a lot | 14:26 |
fenn | digikey has a huge warehouse with actual physical parts, they're not in the same business as octopart | 14:27 |
kanzure | i guess octopart's business model is ad revenue? | 14:28 |
fenn | their catalog is kind of annoying but they have most everything that isn't totally bizarre | 14:28 |
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kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/attempt_geometry_api.txt | 14:35 |
kanzure | #python told me to stick with the sympy method (x=Symbol("x")) | 14:35 |
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kanzure | they also really hated my "oh we'll just add edges a, b, c, d to locals() when the user calls expand_locals" (not to mention there doesn't seem to be a way to do this anyway) | 14:36 |
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kanzure | "the sims: garage biohacking" http://www.synthesis.cc/2010/10/the-sims-garage-biohacking.html | 15:31 |
kanzure | i'm not sure if this is timothy marzullo / backyard brains or not: http://donsdeals.blogspot.com/2010/10/cockroach-controlled-mobile-robot.html | 15:33 |
kanzure | "Cockroach Controlled Mobile Robot won Honorable Mention at Vida 9.0 Art & Artificial Life International Competition (Madrid, Spain) in 2006 and won the XXV Oscar Signorini Prize (Milan, Italy) in 2008. For more information on the Oscar Signorini Prize , see http://conceptlab.com/roachbot/v3-signorini/ " | 15:33 |
kanzure | ORF Radio - Gelinda Lang - Cockroach Controlled Mobile Robot 2.6M MP3 File (interview broadcast on ORF from Ars Electronica 2005) http://conceptlab.com/roachbot/press/ars2005-orf-lang-interviews-hertz.mp3 | 15:34 |
kanzure | it seems to be this person: http://conceptlab.com/roachbot/ | 15:34 |
kanzure | video: http://www.conceptlab.com/roachbot/v3-vida09/hertz-roachbot-vida9sub45.mov (56 MB) | 15:35 |
kanzure | or vimeo: http://vimeo.com/2398096 | 15:35 |
kanzure | holy crap i just got the name "vimeo" | 15:36 |
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kanzure | lame, not as cool as backyard brains | 15:36 |
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kanzure | jacob is at it again.. http://opensciencefund.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/opentracker.png | 15:46 |
kanzure | er. | 15:46 |
kanzure | http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/86514518/open-science-tracker | 15:46 |
kanzure | why doesn't he just use biotorrents | 15:46 |
kanzure | http://ostr.cc/ | 15:47 |
kanzure | i kind of doubt his ability to run a completely secure torrent tracker | 15:48 |
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CryptoQuick | joshcryer: whoo | 15:57 |
CryptoQuick | just finished some bioinformatics work for a friend using mothur :) | 15:57 |
kanzure | http://filesharefreak.com/2008/07/25/the-biggest-list-of-private-bittorrent-trackers-on-the-net/ | 15:59 |
CryptoQuick | v. nice, k-ray | 16:00 |
fenn | what does "vimeo" mean? | 16:08 |
fenn | The name Vimeo was created by co-founder Jakob Lodwick and is a play on the word video, inserting the word "me" as a reference to the site's exclusive dedication to user-made video, and is also an anagram of "movie." | 16:09 |
* fenn shrugs | 16:09 | |
fenn | ok what else was i supposed to do today | 16:11 |
kanzure | wtf x9000 | 16:13 |
kanzure | look, you don't run a secure tracker by giving me ssh root | 16:13 |
kanzure | fenn: i thought it might be video->vimeo | 16:14 |
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kanzure | drat, i need to find someone in los angeles to talk about diybio for humanity+ @ caltech | 16:46 |
kanzure | maybe i can have joseph complain about whatever? | 16:46 |
kanzure | fenn: well, the quantified self meeting maybe :) | 16:49 |
kanzure | fenn: also, 10pm CST tomorrow morning DARPA begins livestream.net coverage of vehicleforge info | 16:50 |
kanzure | 10am | 16:50 |
joshcryer | CryptoQuick, win. :D | 16:50 |
QuantumG | http://hplusmagazine.com/editors-blog/biotech-revolution-must-start-education | 16:56 |
fenn | 8 am west coast? bleh | 16:57 |
kanzure | fenn: it's running all day so uh, whenever you wake up :) | 16:58 |
kanzure | they probably won't get to VF for a few hours | 16:58 |
kanzure | QuantumG: http://bit.ly/diybionews | 16:58 |
kanzure | you're 11 behind | 16:58 |
kanzure | does anyone want to throw down $100 for a good domain name (that isn't registered yet)? | 17:27 |
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masked | how good is good kanzure ? | 17:38 |
kanzure | masked: pm | 17:39 |
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fenn | supposedly you can download your facebook info via .zip file | 17:41 |
fenn | as of today | 17:41 |
QuantumG | and anyone else's too probably | 17:52 |
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kanzure | if anyone has "Download your information" i could check to see if it's possible to download someone else's information :P | 17:58 |
kanzure | i'd need the full link or javascript trace, however. | 17:58 |
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JayDugger | Good evening, everyone. | 18:14 |
JayDugger | Kanzure, do you have a link for the VF video stream? | 18:15 |
kanzure | JayDugger: http://www.livestream.com/private/darpaproposersday | 18:21 |
kanzure | "If you have questions for the speaker, please highlight your comments in red and mark your question with the qualifier [Q]. As time permits, questions will be answered in real time during the broadcast and during dedicated Q&A sessions. Questions and answers will be posted to the DARPA TTO Adaptive Vehicle Make site along with answers to questions not addressed during the event." | 18:21 |
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superkuh | http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v467/n7316/full/467634a.html | 19:18 |
superkuh | "Amateur scientists who experiment at home should be welcomed by the professionals." | 19:18 |
superkuh | "...it would be a shame if the only interested knock on the hobbyists' doors came from those in law enforcement." | 19:19 |
kanzure | superkuh: there was also http://www.nature.com/news/2010/101006/full/467650a.html | 19:26 |
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kanzure | "diybio: the armpit of science" http://groups.google.com/group/diybio/msg/71da169ab3ef8f7c | 20:07 |
kanzure | so, that article mentions incubating e. coli in your armpit | 20:10 |
kanzure | oh i guess i just mentioned that. | 20:10 |
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kanzure | this guy is asking around for how to get some drosophila melanogaster | 21:28 |
kanzure | nathan suggests "put out some old fruit??" | 21:28 |
kanzure | so he replies: "I suppose I will try to contact the researchers at the local universities who are working on the fruit fly to see whether they are willing to give me some. If I am refused, I will put some bottles containing smelling bananas in front of their lab doors to catch some." | 21:28 |
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kanzure | headless solidworks http://www.solidworks.com/sw/partners/oem_program.htm | 22:04 |
kanzure | alibre is using a parametric STEP format, and apparently the ACIS kernel: http://www.eng-tips.com/viewthread.cfm?qid=68220&page=2 | 22:04 |
kanzure | (sean dotson makes an appearance on that page too..) | 22:05 |
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