2010-10-12.log

--- Log opened Tue Oct 12 00:00:18 2010
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fennrawr00:10
fennhttp://www.carboncopies.org/asim-experts-series-brain-machine-interfacing-current-work-and-future-directions-max-hodak00:10
joshcryerchat here QuantumG00:11
fennmaybe i just didnt realize i knew him00:11
joshcryer<QuantumG> indeed.  You're in LEO, you say "I want to go to LLO" and it says ok, the minimum transfer is in 3 days, and will take 3.2km/s of delta-v and you can press a button that says "sooner" and it recalculates a suborbital transfer for you, etc.00:11
joshcryerI like it00:11
joshcryerthere are pages with various delta-v using various technologies too00:12
joshcryerso you could say "if you're using h2lox do such and such" or "al-lox" such and such00:12
joshcryerthat sort of thing is all jumpboy thinks about00:13
QuantumGorbiter has tools that help you plan tli burns and such00:13
QuantumGthey feel like you're using a protractor and a compass00:14
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joshcryeryeah it was way complicated last time I used it00:15
joshcryertried to plug sea dragon in to it and it was way out of my league00:16
QuantumGthat sounds like a challenge00:19
fennheh, the answer to "does the new emotiv have a different key" was "it's okay i gave one to qdot, he'll crack it"00:20
fenn"Incidentally all, there ARE better headsets on the verge of entering00:21
fennthe consumer market. (I've seen them demo-ed in our lab,'00:21
QuantumGhttp://orbiter-forum.com/showthread.php?t=634800:22
joshcryersaw that thread, he gave up from what I recall00:24
QuantumGprobably cause it looked like crud00:25
QuantumGI'll add it to the list of things to do later later later00:26
QuantumGthink I'll go watch Stargate00:26
joshcryerwhich one?00:28
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kanzuresomeone else writing about diybio and nature.com http://journal.ocular-witness.com/?p=436210:34
kanzure"Biohack the Planet! A New Generation of Hackers Sweep Across the Country" http://blogs.kentlaw.edu/islat/2010/10/biohack-the-planet-a-new-generation-of-hackers-sweep-across-the-country.html10:34
dbolsernice10:36
dbolserkanzure: link to the nature pdf?10:38
dbolser'this months nature' - bugs me10:39
kanzuredbolser: one sec10:39
dbolsergot it10:39
kanzureHeidi Ledford. Garage biotech: Life hackers. Amateur hobbyists are creating home-brew molecular-biology labs, but can they ferment a revolution? Nature  467, 650-652 (2010) | doi:10.1038/467650a10:39
kanzurehttp://www.nature.com/news/2010/101006/full/467650a.html10:39
dbolserhttp://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v467/n7316/pdf/467634a.pdf10:39
kanzureEditorial. Garage biology: Amateur scientists who experiment at home should be welcomed by the professionals. Nature. Volume 467: p.634 (07 October 2010) doi:10.1038/467634a10:39
kanzurehttp://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v467/n7316/full/467634a.html10:39
dbolserah...10:40
kanzuredbolser: also see http://bit.ly/diybionews10:40
dbolserkanzure: is there a #diybio ?10:42
dbolserI mean, a preferred one?10:42
dbolserkanzure: nice link10:43
kanzurethere's a #diybio but everyone in there just comes here.10:43
dbolserhow long have you been on oww... wait... I remember you from the lists way back10:44
kanzuredbolser: i'm the maintainer of bit.ly/diybionews .. i don't know why.10:44
dbolserwondering for twitter, sorry, forgot the irc semantics10:44
kanzuredbolser: well, #diybio is basically dead, so i just tell people to use #hplusroadmap10:44
dbolsertwitter hashtag thing10:44
kanzureon twitter the hashtag is #diybio yes10:44
dbolsertweet10:45
dbolsersweet10:45
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dbolseraparently nature want to do an editorial on the biowiki conference I'm helping to organize, which is a ++10:46
dbolserbut Nature are a pain mostly10:46
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kanzureis it just me or is the quality of http://humanityplus.org/ degrading fast12:06
kanzurewhy is there a blog post being manually updated with dates/times/locations12:07
archelsWhy not?12:08
kanzureuh because it's retarded?12:08
kanzureisn't this what a .ical or .rss is for12:09
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archelsSo now you want me to download an RSS reader for something that I could have just read in the HTML.12:13
kanzurei'm sorry but you're a moron12:23
kanzurethere are more rss-to-html sites out there than i can care to count12:23
kanzuretwitter is a very popular, large rss community12:24
kanzuregranted, with a post length limit but it's just an example12:24
archelshaha12:26
archelsActually Opera supports RSS just fine.12:26
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archelsBut I tend to prefer the simplest solution to a problem.12:26
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kanzureopen source hardware company focusing on scientific equipment12:40
kanzurehttp://www.iorodeo.com/12:40
kanzurehttp://projects.peterpolidoro.net/caltech/caltech.htm12:40
kanzurehttp://code.astraw.com/projects/motmot/camtrig/OVERVIEW.html12:40
kanzurehttp://www.dickinson.caltech.edu/PanelsPage12:40
kanzure"Currently there are three of us. I was a biochemistry postdoc for a loong time, before working in science and technology education at a school in LA. Will and Peter have been working at Caltech where they have many years of experience in developing custom made scientific apparatus (Robofly, Flyatar and others)."12:41
kanzure"Right now the company gets by with consulting work - we work with labs at Caltech and Howard Hughes Janelia Farms institute, developing software and hardware for neuroscience research. But we are about to start selling and supporting some devices on our website."12:41
kanzure"Two we are working on supporting are a Motmot trigger device, and panels controller."12:41
kanzurehmm.12:41
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kanzurehi bgoertzel 15:29
jrayhawkhello!15:29
kanzurejrayhawk: ping15:29
bgoertzelhi guys15:29
bgoertzelwow, haven't used IRC in ages ...15:29
bgoertzelthere is an opencog IRC channel but I don';t use it, prolly should...15:30
kanzure33 people in #opencog15:30
QuantumGshit, Ben's here, everyone stop calling him a hippie :P15:30
kanzurejrayhawk: so, bgoertzel is interested in hosting, and i thought of you15:31
bgoertzelhey Joe... I asked Bryan to recommend a new webhost since I'm fed up with aitcom.net which I've used since 1994 ...15:31
bgoertzel4 URLS, mostly just text web pages, not huge bandwidth15:31
jrayhawkSo, at this point, it's probably easiest for me to give you a vserver if you want it, since the closest thing to a 'normal' web hosting service is whatever stuff Bryan provides and an Ikiwiki hosting service that I don't know if you'll be able to tolerate.15:31
superkuhHost it yourself.15:31
bgoertzelsome email accounds, fowarders, etc.15:31
bgoertzelHost it yourself. ==> I prefer to minimize hassle15:32
kanzurei think a vserver is fine for ben15:32
jrayhawkSounds like he doesn't want to have to manage much.15:32
bgoertzelI have previously run Linux networks in my house, ages ago...15:32
bgoertzelbut now I'm too busy ...15:32
jrayhawkI assume you're okay operating over SSH, then.15:32
bgoertzelokay but rusty...15:32
kanzurejrayhawk: you mean i should just host him through the gnusha vserver?15:33
jrayhawkNot if he wants stability. We do some wacky stuff there.15:33
* kanzure nods15:33
bgoertzelyeah i was just looking for a stable host for my and my kids personal websites15:33
bgoertzeli was just thinking to switch to a more reliable commercial service, actually15:34
bgoertzelbut then bryan suggested that you host some sites15:34
bgoertzeli got pissed because aitcom just went down for 4 days, though they finally came up ;p15:34
jrayhawkThat works, too. I'm fine with hosting you, but unfortunately you don't get pleasant web interfaces to things; usually it's either doing them yourself or asking me to.15:34
kanzureto be fair, joe tends to do stuff that i ask him to15:35
jrayhawkMail, actually, would have to be done exclusively through me.15:35
bgoertzelyeah I see...15:35
kanzurewhat do you use the web interfaces for, bgoertzel?15:35
bgoertzelhmm...15:35
bgoertzelnow? mostly for managing email accounts i guess15:36
bgoertzeli plan to switch my site over to wordpress sometime soon, but now it's simple html ...15:36
jrayhawkIt's fairly easy to get google to deal with email accounts and such if you want that level of control.15:36
kanzure(gmail)15:37
jrayhawkWordpress is a pretty big maintenance headache.15:37
bgoertzelwell, that is perhaps a reason to use a commercial wordpress hoster ;)15:37
jrayhawkAh, yes.15:37
QuantumGI've never tried wordpress.  blogspot is painless15:37
bgoertzelthey take on that headache as their business model!15:37
kanzurewordpress should install fine15:38
jrayhawkDrupal might be a better plan if you think there might be risk of you needing to take on hosting it yourself.15:38
kanzurethe gmail issue is something you should think about regardless of what you do, though15:38
bgoertzelwell,  now ben@goertzel.org is set up as a forwarder to gmail15:38
bgoertzelBut recently there have been 4 hour delays in forwarding, which is odd!15:39
jrayhawkDrupal is only slightly better than Wordpress in terms of headache, though.15:39
* Utopiah is not a Google fan but admits Gmail on ones own domain is practical and easy to set up15:39
bgoertzelWell, I neither want to deal with installing and maintaining Wordpress on a server, nor do I want to cause anyone headaches...15:39
bgoertzelBut I like using Wordpress and do not like using Drupal15:39
jrayhawkRight-o.15:40
bgoertzelIt's sounding to me like this solution may not be the minimum-hassle approach for me and others ;)15:40
bgoertzelProbably I should go with my plan of finding a less shitty commercial hoster that supports wordpress...15:41
jrayhawkYeah, that sounds like a plan. Though making your kids learn how to use something other than dum-dum interfaces to the web might also be healthy.15:41
bgoertzeloops, got a phone call, got to disappear for a moment...15:41
bgoertzelhah, one of my kids is 20 years old and in his last year of college as a math  major; he can do Unix stuff better than me ;)15:42
kanzurezarathustra?15:42
kanzurebgoertzel: if you go with blogspot or some dedicad wordpress host, you won't have to manually upgrade it every time it gets hacked15:47
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kanzureif you were to throw wordpress up on your aitcom host you'd have to manually update it15:47
kanzure(same with mediatemple)15:48
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jrayhawkmediatemple is painfully expensive for just about everything15:51
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kanzurehi rwallace 15:58
rwallacehi!15:59
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joshcryerChile miners going to be rescued tonight: http://www.ustream.tv/cbsnews18:46
kanzurewait, hasn't that been a few months in the making18:49
joshcryer68 days18:50
joshcryer:O18:50
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kanzurehuh simcity was released as open source? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micropolis_%28video_game%2919:35
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kanzurehi kizzo 19:37
joshcryerThe carriage is underground and they have a live feed.19:37
kizzoHello.19:42
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wrldpcmblahoy from sunny cherry point north carolina20:29
QuantumGlast chance to call 1 (866) 687-7223, let it ring until answered, and ask a cool question about the Moon20:31
kanzurehi wrldpcmbl 20:46
kanzureQuantumG: is that your number?20:47
QuantumGThe Space Show20:48
QuantumGcall it!20:48
QuantumGnow20:48
QuantumGfast20:48
kanzureif i call i'm going to proclaim my ownership of the land.20:48
QuantumGgo on20:49
QuantumGask about property ownership20:49
QuantumGhttp://www.spacesettlement.org/law/  is interesting20:50
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kanzurehttp://lavaamp.wordpress.com/2010/10/12/did-anyone-else-see-lavaamp-mentioned-in-nature-last-week/21:01
kanzureNeues #Chaosradio "Biohacking": Hacks und Exploits in21:01
kanzureMolekülen und Gensträngen http://chaosradio.ccc.de/cre143.html21:01
kanzurewith mp321:01
kanzure"Weltweit entsteht gerade eine neue "Do it yourself"-Biologie-Community, die sich mit den Techniken und Erkenntnissen synthetischer Biologie und anderer Disziplinen auseinandersetzt und versucht, Methoden, Geräte und Dienstleistungen aus dem professionen Umfeld für private Forschung zur Anwendungen zu bringen. Dabei steht der explorative Ansatz im Vordergrund, auch wenn die Motivation und Zielsetzungen von Gruppe zu Gruppe variieren."21:02
kanzure"Hallo Welt" en Die Standards-Parts-Datenbanken21:04
kanzurehttp://chaosradio.ccc.de/archive/chaosradio_express_143.mp3.torrent21:04
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kanzureswCommandTabButtonTextDisplay21:23
kanzureoh right this is why i don't like windows21:23
kanzurehm google says: http://www.finitebusiness.net/cadlabbeta/CADLabDocs/main.html21:23
kanzure"CADLab gives direct access to SolidWorks functionality, Modeling data and Simulation data via MATLAB classes. The MATLAB classes in CADLab closely map to the SolidWorks API interface. Thus CADLab enables you to write m based scripts just like you would write Visual Basic based macros for SolidWorks."21:23
joshcryerI like how that single function inhabits its own file.21:24
kanzurei don't :(21:24
joshcryer(note: when I like something I usually like it for absurd reasons, like stupid things)21:25
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QuantumGjoshcryer: that explains why you like me22:33
joshcryerHeh22:46
joshcryerYer smarter than me, don't be retarded. ;P22:46
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