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| Utopiah | how does that website "support" DIYbio? | 00:14 |
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| Utopiah | http://www.theinternetofthings.eu/council-france | 00:18 |
| jrayhawk | Most adults have a set of Bayesian heuristics used to classify the level of safety and personal effectiveness of the people they interact with. Some of these heuristics are innate and some of them are learned. You are scoring *very* negatively with most people who observe your interactions. | 00:20 |
| * Utopiah hopes that last sentence wasn't for him ¬_¬ | 00:21 | |
| jrayhawk | no | 00:21 |
| jrayhawk | There are only a few means by which you can hit the heuristics so negatively; | 00:25 |
| jrayhawk | 1) Perhaps you have no desire to build relationships, though this does not appear to be the case with you. | 00:25 |
| jrayhawk | 2) Perhaps you have no such heuristics yourself, and don't even know they exist. | 00:25 |
| jrayhawk | 3) Perhaps you are unwilling to apply what heuristics you have against yourself. | 00:25 |
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| jrayhawk | Numbers 2 and 3 strongly apply a serious mental problem, either neurological or psychological. They both involve an incapacity to analyze social situations even at the most basic level; even autistics (who tend to have little social instinct and no empathy) are generally able to comprehend explicitly negative reactions and modify behaviors to avoid them. | 00:29 |
| jrayhawk | Your temptation might be to work out what this serious mental problem is on your own, but your incapacity to analyze your own social interactions enough to gain even the most mediocre level of trust in others indicates that you are unlikely to make a useful diagnosis. | 00:35 |
| jrayhawk | I really seriously recommend finding someone in the psychiatric industry to, at the very least, help you bootstrap your own self-analysis. | 00:38 |
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| -!- Topic for #hplusroadmap: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-n39RK4inzg http://designfiles.org/~bryan/hplus-summit-2009/ http://heybryan.org/ | 00:48 | |
| -!- Topic set by kanzure [] [Mon Jan 11 11:14:52 2010] | 00:48 | |
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| dbolser | Jonano: ? | 00:59 |
| Jonano | yes ? | 01:00 |
| Jonano | I'm clearly a leader | 01:00 |
| Jonano | jrayhawk are you there ? do you want to listen to me ? | 01:01 |
| Jonano | or maybe you didnot want to have a conversation at all, it was not your goal | 01:02 |
| Jonano | I don't want to be social | 01:02 |
| Jonano | I'm an introvert and I work on the web to get money. | 01:03 |
| Jonano | It's also a good place to learn on futurism | 01:03 |
| Jonano | good enough for me | 01:03 |
| dbolser | ok | 01:03 |
| dbolser | just reading back | 01:03 |
| dbolser | seems you get on peoples nerves, but I won't hold it against you | 01:03 |
| Jonano | to be alone does not neccessary mean that you have a mental problem | 01:04 |
| * dbolser goes back to $job | 01:04 | |
| dbolser | right | 01:04 |
| Jonano | yes | 01:04 |
| Jonano | I know why too | 01:04 |
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| dbolser | a good friend of mine is bipolar. every so often he rants at me, but later he appologises | 01:04 |
| dbolser | he's a good guy, but most people find it too hard to deal with him long term | 01:05 |
| Jonano | so jrayhawk should apologise | 01:05 |
| Jonano | :) | 01:05 |
| jrayhawk | It's difficult to make any serious endeavour without establishing some trust with others. This extends well beyond introversion vs extroversion. | 01:05 |
| Jonano | extraversion* | 01:05 |
| dbolser | just let it slide, in the end, if you do some good, it will show through | 01:05 |
| Jonano | trust ? we dont even know each other | 01:06 |
| Jonano | and I dont want. | 01:06 |
| Jonano | if you need to use my web site go ahead, if not go away | 01:06 |
| Jonano | I dont want to be friends with people | 01:06 |
| Jonano | because I already know people are bad | 01:06 |
| Jonano | and when I am with them, I get too much stimulated | 01:07 |
| Utopiah | Jonano: maybe focusing on the topic could help | 01:08 |
| Jonano | well.. | 01:08 |
| Jonano | the DIYBio community will grow behond this channel | 01:08 |
| Jonano | it will be a huge industry | 01:08 |
| Jonano | in about 10 years | 01:08 |
| Jonano | I hope to earn alot of money with my web site | 01:08 |
| Jonano | and will do | 01:09 |
| Jonano | because I'm so good | 01:09 |
| Jonano | :) | 01:09 |
| Jonano | I trust money | 01:10 |
| Jonano | this is the most important language I quess | 01:10 |
| Jonano | I dont like to keep negative feelings, I prefer looking toward positive thoughts. | 01:11 |
| Jonano | the DIYBio industry will probably worth 10 millions in about 10 years... | 01:12 |
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| Jonano | I have the largest p2p lending site in france | 01:14 |
| Jonano | and I plan to do the same with DIYBio | 01:14 |
| Jonano | social skills is useful for people like Barrack Obama or Bill Clinton, not for people like Albert Einstein etc.. | 01:15 |
| Jonano | if you are a programmer you can surely live all your life alone | 01:16 |
| Jonano | I am highly ambitious that is why I am not indifferent to people when they judge me so fast | 01:17 |
| Jonano | so far I dont have alot of friends so, you can never measure where I am shooting | 01:18 |
| Jonano | you dont need alot of friends to be a futurist. | 01:19 |
| * Utopiah doesn't understand the point of trying to justify to other why you don't need them | 01:19 | |
| dbolser | lol | 01:20 |
| dbolser | chin up Jonano ! | 01:20 |
| Jonano | DIYBio.Biz is an application to sell stuff | 01:20 |
| Jonano | I will receive help from people who do not know me at all | 01:21 |
| jrayhawk | Do you think people would be more likely to make economic exchanges involving you if they were to classify you as being safe and personally effective? | 01:23 |
| Jonano | I cannot be friend with everybody | 01:23 |
| jrayhawk | To borrow a programming term, you are overloading the term 'friend'. | 01:24 |
| Jonano | I have the ambition to serve everybody on my web site yes | 01:24 |
| Jonano | to the measure that it is related to my web site and my product | 01:24 |
| jrayhawk | Okay, do you think your ambition would be served by appearing more mentally healthy? | 01:24 |
| Jonano | look | 01:25 |
| Jonano | I'm already looking very healthy, dont assume thing | 01:25 |
| Jonano | my web site looks very sane mentally. | 01:25 |
| Jonano | do you know that howard hughes was one of the richest man of his time and was not mentally clean ? | 01:26 |
| Jonano | I think you are making a big error in judging me that way | 01:26 |
| jrayhawk | His lack of intellectual restraint was enabled by his riches, not the other way around. | 01:27 |
| Jonano | so | 01:27 |
| Jonano | what you dont like with DIYBio.Biz ? | 01:27 |
| Jonano | I think you are crazy | 01:28 |
| Jonano | you seem bad | 01:28 |
| Jonano | you dont know me at all how can you treat me not mentally clean | 01:29 |
| Jonano | we have opposite views | 01:29 |
| Jonano | but yes, to look mentally clean or healthy is a good stuff to have while providing a service to people | 01:30 |
| Jonano | do you know my name ? | 01:31 |
| jrayhawk | Yes. | 01:31 |
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| Jonano | did you read on me ? | 01:33 |
| jrayhawk | I did in response to you hitting aforementioned heuristics. | 01:33 |
| Jonano | to be honest with you | 01:33 |
| Jonano | I dont like people telling me I'm not mentally healthy | 01:34 |
| jrayhawk | I wouldn't either. | 01:34 |
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| Jonano | because this is not true | 01:36 |
| Jonano | I prefer truth | 01:37 |
| Jonano | would you say such things in front of me ? | 01:37 |
| Jonano | I don't think you would be able | 01:37 |
| Jonano | also I dont think I will get help from the DIYBio community | 01:39 |
| Jonano | I will need the help from google | 01:39 |
| Jonano | it will start slowly | 01:40 |
| jrayhawk | You could get help if you were to appear safe and trustworthy. | 01:40 |
| Jonano | what do you mean safe ? | 01:40 |
| Jonano | I want to make money with adsense on this site | 01:40 |
| Jonano | this is safe | 01:40 |
| jrayhawk | You are not your site. | 01:40 |
| Jonano | I'm ok | 01:41 |
| Jonano | I'm honest | 01:41 |
| Jonano | my site is operated by me | 01:41 |
| Jonano | you dont understand how my site is working | 01:41 |
| Jonano | I think I will need to clarify stuff yes | 01:42 |
| Jonano | you believe in the text that you have read on cryonics.org ? | 01:44 |
| Jonano | first it was in 2005 | 01:44 |
| Jonano | and the only thing I did was to put links on wikipedia | 01:44 |
| Jonano | that's it | 01:44 |
| Jonano | cryonics.org did a big big diffamation damage to me | 01:44 |
| jrayhawk | I believe those people are accurately expressing their assessments of you, yes. | 01:45 |
| Jonano | they are acting like a cult | 01:45 |
| Jonano | I am honest | 01:45 |
| Jonano | and I am sure of that | 01:45 |
| Jonano | I dont want to steal people | 01:46 |
| Jonano | I want to help them | 01:46 |
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| Jonano | on my site at least | 01:46 |
| Utopiah | Jonano: according to the log about 50% of the traffic in this channel is made by you since you arrived | 01:47 |
| Utopiah | and I would say about 80% of what you talk about is either you or your website | 01:47 |
| Jonano | yes | 01:48 |
| Jonano | the web site is 3 days old | 01:48 |
| Utopiah | Id suggest if you or your website is the main topic, you create a dedicated channel | 01:48 |
| Jonano | right | 01:48 |
| Jonano | good suggestion | 01:48 |
| Jonano | but this guy is insulting me | 01:49 |
| Jonano | my formation in futurism date back in 1997 | 01:49 |
| Utopiah | please | 01:49 |
| Jonano | yes? | 01:49 |
| Jonano | ok I shut up | 01:50 |
| Utopiah | is there a project like "real life AdBlock Plus"? maybe using MyVu glasses, Diminished Reality algos and collaborative filtering | 02:21 |
| Utopiah | eventually instead of just removing content, using it to display personnal contextual information | 02:21 |
| Utopiah | instead of seeing an ad next to the supermarket, you'd see your grocery list | 02:23 |
| dbolser | Utopiah: yes there is | 02:59 |
| dbolser | http://vimeo.com/14566198 | 03:00 |
| dbolser | Code: code.google.com/p/unlogo/ | 03:00 |
| dbolser | http://code.google.com/p/unlogo/ | 03:01 |
| Utopiah | nice, thanks dbolser | 03:02 |
| dbolser | np | 03:08 |
| dbolser | btw, seen innocentive? | 03:08 |
| Utopiah | yep? | 03:09 |
| dbolser | seeker: I'm looking for an idea to generate 10M, $10,000 | 03:09 |
| dbolser | http://www2.innocentive.com/ | 03:09 |
| dbolser | lemmy refer you if you want to join ;-) | 03:09 |
| dbolser | Better Cat Litter, Please! $7,500 USD | 03:09 |
| Utopiah | is there a solver toolkit? | 03:10 |
| Utopiah | I mean there is an AmazonTurk turkers forum in which they share tools and methods so Im curious about an InnoCentive equivalent | 03:10 |
| dbolser | they have some kind of team tools, but challenges can use them or not | 03:11 |
| dbolser | "The Challenge also supports our real-time scoring algorithm called the Prodigy that allows Solvers to score themselves and compare their submissions to those made by other Solvers. " | 03:13 |
| dbolser | <- not team tools, but there is some similar jargon | 03:13 |
| dbolser | https://gw.innocentive.com/ar/challenge/9658599 | 03:13 |
| archels | lol @ better cat litter | 03:14 |
| Utopiah | if you are into such platforms you might like et2.com accelovation ninesigma illumin8 expernova | 03:15 |
| dbolser | To support team collaboration, we have added new functionality called a "Team Project Room". A Team Project Room is a secure online workspace that allows a group of Solvers to securely collaborate and solve an InnoCentive Challenge. | 03:15 |
| dbolser | https://gw.innocentive.com/ar/challenge/9628305 | 03:15 |
| Utopiah | s/et2.com/yet2.com/ | 03:15 |
| dbolser | kaggle | 03:16 |
| Utopiah | makes me wonder if there is an aggregator for challenges | 03:18 |
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| * dbolser resists the urge to create at least a meta site if not an aggregator | 03:20 | |
| dbolser | Utopiah: create a challenge... | 03:20 |
| Utopiah | (somebody even give those platforms a name https://wiki.umn.edu/IDSC6490/Ideagoras ) | 03:32 |
| dbolser | gah! ty | 03:32 |
| dbolser | talking here: http://www.bioinformatics.org/wiki/Bsb10 | 03:32 |
| dbolser | I'll mention that | 03:32 |
| Utopiah | if along the way you find an aggregator with RSS, ranking, notification, etc features let me know | 03:36 |
| dbolser | heh | 03:37 |
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| Jonano | people are under estimate me | 04:00 |
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| fenn | i like this guy's style, he shows how to make everything using only tools he builds in earlier steps http://homepage3.nifty.com/amigos/index-e.html | 04:09 |
| fenn | of course he starts with a milling machine and bandsaw but meh | 04:10 |
| Jonano | he could sell his instrument on my web site | 04:11 |
| Jonano | if he wants | 04:11 |
| Utopiah | cool principle | 04:11 |
| fenn | it is also stunning how clean everything is in all of the pictures | 04:14 |
| Utopiah | maybe he has a wife | 04:15 |
| superkuh | Clear as in depth of field covering all parts. | 04:17 |
| superkuh | I assume. That's what sticks out to me. | 04:17 |
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| Utopiah | could be interesting to see which "path" he used and what other did and what's the most efficient in time or pieces used | 04:18 |
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| QuantumG | he could sell his instrument on my web site if he wants <- twss | 04:45 |
| fenn | twss? | 04:48 |
| fenn | oh. i never understood why people think that's funny | 04:49 |
| QuantumG | you wouldn't.. you're a robot. | 04:50 |
| Utopiah | That's what she said. | 04:51 |
| fenn | snap | 04:53 |
| fenn | "The moodInq system is a breakthrough in tattoo technology, using a skin-safe proprietary E ink encapsulated pigment system that lasts a lifetime but can be configured to display any design (or none!)" | 04:53 |
| QuantumG | nice | 04:55 |
| fenn | if only it were real | 04:55 |
| QuantumG | get right on that | 04:55 |
| JayDugger | Good morning, everyone. | 06:18 |
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| kanzure | solidworks/abco http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6BQWBBOYRA | 07:45 |
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| kanzure | http://www.instructables.com/id/3D-Magnetic-Field-Viewer/ | 08:22 |
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| kanzure | http://www.universetoday.com/76195/nasas-ames-director-announces-100-year-starship/ | 08:43 |
| kanzure | http://www.icarusinterstellar.org/ | 08:43 |
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| kanzure | so uh, anyone know her real address? Miriam Leis <miriam.leis@tno.nl>, Miriam Leis <mjsl2050@gmail.com>, Miriam Leis <m.transhumanist@gmail.com>, Miriam Leis <pro2050@gmail.com>, Miriam Leis <leis.miriam@gmail.com> | 08:55 |
| kanzure | hm i got an "out of office" reply from at least one of them. | 08:56 |
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| JayDugger | Sorry, kanzure. I don't know Ms. Leis. | 09:04 |
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| JayDugger | http://miriamleis.wordpress.com/, correct? | 09:07 |
| kanzure | yep. | 09:07 |
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| JayDugger | Quite the polymath. | 09:07 |
| JayDugger | http://www.linkedin.com/in/miriamleis | 09:09 |
| JayDugger | Have you looked up any of her papers or publications? That might provide her email address, or contact information for someone who might put you in touch with her. | 09:15 |
| kanzure | i am in regular communication with her, i'm just not really sure which email address to use. | 09:21 |
| JayDugger | Ah, okay...why not just ask her? | 09:23 |
| kanzure | i did, that's how i know one of her email addresses bounced with an "out of office" reply | 09:24 |
| JayDugger | Got it. | 09:31 |
| JayDugger | Good night, everyone. | 09:32 |
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| kanzure | Utopiah: http://treesheets.com/ | 09:57 |
| kanzure | http://groups.google.com/group/treesheets | 09:58 |
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| kanzure | "This meeting was on desirable intelligence augmenting technologies. It mainly focused on what is available today and near term desirable technologies." http://www.thefulfillment.org/chatlogs/101610_ExocorticalDreams.htm | 12:21 |
| Utopiah | kanzure: thanks, shared it in ##pim | 12:38 |
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| kanzure | "And of course a firmware program is copyrightable." | 13:38 |
| kanzure | "not always, see the lexmark printer ruling where the judge ruled that since lexmark was using the firmware on the cartridge as a access control device, competitors were allows to copy it bit-for-bit in order to interoperate" | 13:38 |
| kanzure | hrm. | 13:39 |
| kanzure | that was http://lwn.net/Articles/396687/ | 13:39 |
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| archels | interesting precedent | 13:53 |
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| Utopiah | http://www.smarttypes.org | 14:31 |
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| ybit2 | ohai | 15:33 |
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| kanzure | fenn: did you see mac at burning man? | 16:52 |
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| kanzure | diybio-london part 1 http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/9751397 | 17:13 |
| kanzure | diybio-london part 2 http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/9751731 | 17:13 |
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| Jonano | He was spamming IRC about this: | 18:32 |
| Jonano | I'm not spamming. | 18:32 |
| Jonano | I'm searching an organisation, a third party group for my site | 18:33 |
| Jonano | but I quess it's not the good to ask here | 18:37 |
| Jonano | place | 18:37 |
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| kanzure | ybit2: http://www.hilcoind.com/sales/sale.asp?SALE_ID=1831&SALE_REFERENCE_ID=DGMHEQBWVQ913201016814 | 20:01 |
| kanzure | it's in alabama | 20:01 |
| kanzure | if you want anything, just let me know | 20:01 |
| kanzure | here's the "all" view": | 20:01 |
| kanzure | http://www.hilcoind.com/sales/lots.asp?SALE_ID=1831&SALE_REFERENCE_ID=DGMHEQBWVQ913201016814&F_MPP=ALL&F_PAST_SALE=&F_SORT_BY=LOT_NUMBER | 20:02 |
| kanzure | it's in dothan. | 20:02 |
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| kanzure | "MAZAK MODEL NEXUS VCN-510C CNC VERTICAL MACHINING CENTER" | 20:03 |
| kanzure | a few bridgeports | 20:03 |
| kanzure | mazak engine lathe (one of those supermonsters) | 20:03 |
| kanzure | "vertical sand mixing mill" | 20:04 |
| kanzure | netzsch pmc-vc-2500 intensive mixer | 20:05 |
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| Jonano | this is my most important page, the one that is more relevant to me: not the ebola virus page: | 20:53 |
| Jonano | http://future.wikia.com/wiki/User:Jonano | 20:53 |
| Jonano | but obscure people always put the ebola virus beside my name | 20:54 |
| Jonano | which is negative | 20:55 |
| Jonano | let's talk about positivism ! | 20:55 |
| Jonano | it seems that people are loves to degrad (put down) people in general, which make them not very special | 20:57 |
| Jonano | -are | 20:57 |
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| Jonano | I wont help them if I succeed | 21:02 |
| Jonano | for example I wont help kanzure | 21:02 |
| Jonano | since he share negatives thoughts toward me | 21:03 |
| Jonano | have you seen how he treated my message on DIYBio group | 21:03 |
| Jonano | what a good friend we have ! | 21:03 |
| Jonano | common, you need better relationship with me | 21:04 |
| Jonano | if you treat any new comer that way, in the DIYBio community, this community will have a bad reputation | 21:04 |
| gnusha_ | go on. | 21:06 |
| Jonano | what ? | 21:07 |
| Jonano | I wont help people who dont consider me as a valuable person | 21:07 |
| Jonano | I have been in the futurism field since 1997 | 21:08 |
| Jonano | I have seen people go and come | 21:08 |
| Jonano | often | 21:08 |
| Jonano | I'm from the old school | 21:08 |
| Jonano | do you remember nanothinc ? | 21:09 |
| Jonano | I gave my site to students which gave the site to Nanotechnology.com | 21:10 |
| Jonano | I saw the birth of ImmInst | 21:10 |
| Jonano | Bruce installed the forum for me | 21:10 |
| Jonano | on my site | 21:10 |
| Jonano | etc... etc... etc... | 21:10 |
| Jonano | I even saw Ray Kurzweil become interested by nanotech | 21:12 |
| Jonano | I'm an Alcor member | 21:12 |
| gnusha_ | how did kanzure treat you. | 21:16 |
| Jonano | he did diffamation on me here on this channel and somewhere else | 21:16 |
| Jonano | I accussed me to be a spammer | 21:17 |
| Jonano | sed | 21:17 |
| Jonano | and said I have a bad reputation in the futurism field | 21:17 |
| gnusha_ | "spam: A collection of unsolicited bulk electronic messages" | 21:17 |
| Jonano | wow | 21:17 |
| Jonano | you are brilliant | 21:17 |
| Jonano | this channel is not about hplus but about kanzure | 21:18 |
| gnusha_ | i'm not convinced | 21:19 |
| QuantumG | its all true | 21:20 |
| Jonano | lol | 21:20 |
| Jonano | the problem is that I'm richer than alot of people | 21:21 |
| Jonano | so I dont have the proove myself in front of them | 21:21 |
| Jonano | to* | 21:21 |
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| kanzure | Utopiah: how about "tinderbox" on the mac? | 22:01 |
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| kanzure | http://wondermark.com/666/ | 22:26 |
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| Jonano | jrayhawk is a psychiatrist ? | 23:36 |
| Jonano | I prefer Carl Jung than Freud | 23:37 |
| Jonano | I need to improve my intelligence | 23:39 |
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