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| Utopiah | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Thousand_Years_of_Nonlinear_History | 00:34 |
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| Jonano | I'm looking for someone interested to write an article about DIYbio | 00:42 |
| Jonano | I can explain the work if you are interested | 00:43 |
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| dbolser | hey kanzure, that was an invited talk. | 01:15 |
| dbolser | Talk to Jeff if you'd like to speak at some point | 01:15 |
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| archels | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-11573666 | 05:04 |
| archels | "Difficult-to-read fonts make for better learning, according to scientists." | 05:04 |
| archels | "They believe that presenting information in a way that is hard to digest means a person has to concentrate more, and this leads to "deeper processing" and then "better retrieval" afterwards." | 05:04 |
| Utopiah | best excuse ever for a professor terrible hand writting on a black board | 05:05 |
| archels | Might it not be the opposite? The harder to read fonts make for more processing in the lower hierarchical cortical regions? | 05:05 |
| archels | ergo, the information is stored as novel on more levels and thus easier to remember? | 05:05 |
| dbolser | I used to belive this is why I found it easier to retain information at university | 05:32 |
| dbolser | I read that to learn effectively, one should trasnslate information from one form to another. i.e. diagram to text, text to diagram etc. | 05:32 |
| dbolser | I'm dyslexic, so it takes me ages to read text (compared to my peers) | 05:32 |
| dbolser | But I found I could retain information for exams much better than my peers | 05:33 |
| archels | Do you think that's the same mechanism at work though? | 05:33 |
| dbolser | no clud tbh.. didn't read the lik | 05:34 |
| dbolser | link | 05:34 |
| dbolser | but 'hard to read fonts' == all the time for dyslexics | 05:34 |
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| archels | good point | 05:36 |
| archels | Do hard to read fonts simply force the reader to represent the information more abstractly? | 05:37 |
| dbolser | I have no idea about the various neuro / cognative pathways from text to memory | 05:38 |
| dbolser | but intuitively, 'skimming' a fact should lead to less retention than reading that fact slowly... | 05:38 |
| dbolser | however, in this test they were asked to learn the given facts. I'm surprised that font played a role! | 05:45 |
| dbolser | can you set up an online version of the test so I can test me? | 05:45 |
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| archels | I didn't carry out this research, so I don't have access to the materials. | 05:48 |
| dbolser | seems easy enough to repeat | 05:49 |
| dbolser | it reminds me of the other day when I got a migraine | 05:49 |
| dbolser | I was trying to read a sentence in a book. I read it, and then I realised I hadn't understood a thing. so I read it again... again blank. I found I couldn't read it, so I started to try reading each word individually with my finger | 05:50 |
| dbolser | I couldn't associate one word with the next | 05:50 |
| dbolser | shortly after I realised I was having a migraine | 05:50 |
| dbolser | kind of weird subjective cognative disfunction | 05:51 |
| archels | bizarre. | 05:53 |
| dbolser | I'll say! | 05:54 |
| dbolser | interesting apart from the nausia | 05:54 |
| dbolser | and lack of ability to do anything constructive! | 05:54 |
| Utopiah | marketing uses that already with spelling mistakes | 05:55 |
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| archels | Utopiah, drawing attention with intentional misspellings? | 05:57 |
| Utopiah | yes | 05:57 |
| Utopiah | and I would understand how it works well on short and simple items but hardly on complex and long pieces of information | 05:57 |
| clemux | so, reading text with the worng odrer of ltetres in words should enchance recall? | 05:59 |
| dbolser | I think that relies on scanning in the first place | 06:00 |
| dbolser | I guess they need to do eye tracking | 06:00 |
| archels | clemux: Anything that stands out is more likely to be remembered. | 06:01 |
| dbolser | number of ... is it ... when the eye pauses? | 06:01 |
| dbolser | I read the name somewher D[D[D[D[C[D[D[D[D[D;-) | 06:02 |
| dbolser | though to be 'processing pauses' | 06:02 |
| dbolser | oops | 06:02 |
| dbolser | http://www.jstor.org/pss/1422228 | 06:03 |
| dbolser | 1980 | 06:04 |
| dbolser | EYE-FIXATION AS A MEASURE OF REAL-TIME PROCESSING OF SYNTHESIZED WORDS (2008) | 06:05 |
| dbolser | http://en.scientificcommons.org/43547397 | 06:05 |
| dbolser | fixations and saccades | 06:08 |
| dbolser | (wp) | 06:08 |
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| fenn | i think this might be useful, material properties for common metal alloys http://www.varmintal.com/mat18-all.zip | 06:38 |
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| dbolser | is the CIA world fact book on the semantic web? | 06:49 |
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| JayDugger | Good morning, everyone. | 06:58 |
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| kanzure | 1000 ben nanonotes have been sold. | 07:09 |
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| kanzure | hi mjr | 07:11 |
| kanzure | hm you're from #lesswrong | 07:11 |
| dbolser | kanzure: where can I buy one :-D | 07:16 |
| kanzure | dbolser: from qi hardware | 07:16 |
| dbolser | I like the look of it | 07:18 |
| mjr | I'm from having glanced at old wta-talk mails | 07:30 |
| kanzure | mjr: ah :) | 07:39 |
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| kanzure | hi JayDugger | 07:53 |
| JayDugger | Good morning. Zyvex has a neat annoucement. | 07:55 |
| JayDugger | Nothing earth-shaking, but in the "nice-to-hear" set. | 07:55 |
| JayDugger | http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/10/101019111527.htm | 07:58 |
| JayDugger | Substituting Si for H on a silicon surface, one atom at a time, at the blinding rate of 50 atoms/s. They abstract away H atoms and flood the area with SiH gas. | 08:00 |
| kanzure | wait i thought zyvex died | 08:02 |
| kanzure | "This effort is funded in part by the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency and the Emerging Technology Fund of the State of Texas." | 08:02 |
| kanzure | fuck this, i'm going to richardson today | 08:02 |
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| JayDugger | No, they have a building down the street from where I live, for suitably "Texas-scale" values of "down the street." | 08:04 |
| masked | texas has an emerging technology fund? | 08:04 |
| JayDugger | First I'd heard of it, too. | 08:05 |
| masked | modernising the belt buckle? | 08:05 |
| masked | skulls | 08:05 |
| masked | and other images of things i relate to texas | 08:05 |
| JayDugger | Heh, heh...yes, yes... | 08:06 |
| JayDugger | time to pay my car mechanic. See you all tomorrow. | 08:06 |
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| masked | hmm that sounds interesting | 08:08 |
| masked | but how long would it take to make anything useful | 08:08 |
| masked | my daughter would kick my ass making cookies with play-do | 08:08 |
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| kanzure | hi lepton | 10:07 |
| kanzure | long time no see | 10:07 |
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| lepton | Yes indeed! | 10:11 |
| lepton | We've moved to a new space, added a 3D printer | 10:11 |
| * epitron puts an s on lepton | 10:12 | |
| lepton | I'm working with some guys to establish a Boulder Hackerspace | 10:12 |
| lepton | Life's been pretty good over all. How are you, kanzure? | 10:12 |
| kanzure | a little slow today (woops) | 10:12 |
| * kanzure is writing some text to announce the gada prize transfer | 10:13 | |
| lepton | Cool, I remember reading about the Gada prize | 10:14 |
| lepton | We're about to start another EMC based CNC build, so I turned on IRC for the first time in a while to see if anything interesting is going on in #emc | 10:14 |
| lepton | Oh yeah, I did some open source hardware / digital manufacturing talks at Burning Man, with really good attendance | 10:15 |
| lepton | one of the founders from Makerbot showed up, amongst others | 10:15 |
| epitron | IRC CNC EMC | 10:16 |
| lepton | si | 10:16 |
| epitron | muy bueno, mr. slepton | 10:16 |
| epitron | heheh... sleptons are so lazily named | 10:18 |
| epitron | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sfermion#Sleptons | 10:18 |
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| epitron | Selectron sneutrino | 10:18 |
| lepton | Let's just put an s at the beginning of everything! | 10:19 |
| boZon | s// | 10:20 |
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| epitron | more like s/^/s/ | 10:24 |
| epitron | sbozon | 10:24 |
| epitron | sepitron | 10:24 |
| epitron | skanzure | 10:24 |
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| kanzure | any suggestions for what the humanityplus.org announcement should say about the gada prize? | 13:29 |
| kanzure | saying "we're taking it over because foresight doesn't want it" is not so cool | 13:29 |
| kanzure | also feel free to glance at http://gadaprize.org/ (some of the text is my own, namely the stuff more towards the top) | 13:35 |
| kanzure | old content: http://www.foresight.org/gadaprize.php | 13:35 |
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| kanzure | "gee, i wonder how Foresight Institute announced this originally" well, turns out they didn't http://blog.reprap.org/2010/01/build-better-reprap-80000-prize.html | 14:21 |
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| memorex | Anyone know anything about pulling up the registered email to an expired domain if you have the hosting company, domain of registered email, and name | 17:19 |
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| jrayhawk | search google for 'historical whois' | 17:58 |
| kanzure | endless hours of fun http://www.technomancy.org/google-suggest-venn/#start=how+do+i+tell+my+X&end0=girlfriend&end1=boyfriend&end2=mac | 17:59 |
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| kanzure | http://planet.hackerspaces.org/ | 19:32 |
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| fenn | what a waste http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Langan | 21:19 |
| fenn | smartest man in the world attempts to prove the existence of god by using mathematics | 21:20 |
| fenn | sbaillard wants to know about skdb's status | 21:21 |
| kanzure | still need someone with a reprap/makerbot who cares | 21:30 |
| kanzure | or we're writing a whitepaper | 21:30 |
| QuantumG | what's this kanzure? | 21:32 |
| QuantumG | I know someone with a lot of money who has expressed an interest in reprap | 21:32 |
| QuantumG | no idea if he's done anything about it yet | 21:33 |
| kanzure | huh? | 21:33 |
| kanzure | should i know this person? | 21:33 |
| kanzure | QuantumG: also, btw, http://gadaprize.org/ | 21:33 |
| QuantumG | wow, humanityplus.org is slow | 21:34 |
| kanzure | yeah nobody there knows anything about servers | 21:34 |
| kanzure | it's probably because three people are loading a page at the same time. | 21:35 |
| kanzure | QuantumG: try now | 21:36 |
| QuantumG | still dorked | 21:36 |
| kanzure | this is stupid | 21:37 |
| kanzure | i wonder if i moved the server if anyone would notice | 21:37 |
| fenn | i've been working on my reprap, it moves around under computer control now | 21:39 |
| kanzure | i figure showing a full demo of going from a package to something made is enough to show someone the point | 21:39 |
| kanzure | but, parametric CAD is a really nice thing to try out | 21:39 |
| kanzure | it's p. clear that hardware projects are not yet to the point where they can be packaged :P | 21:40 |
| fenn | no way | 21:40 |
| kanzure | hm? | 21:40 |
| fenn | it's just that nobody even bothers to try | 21:41 |
| kanzure | dude they have like .pdf and .jpg of schematics drawn in crayon | 21:41 |
| kanzure | even if someone did bother to put files in folders and tarball them up (or whatever) people are going to wonder about the utility | 21:42 |
| kanzure | the utility isn't really demonstrated without a toolchain (like a demo on a reprap) but if you have better ideas i'd like to hear it | 21:42 |
| kanzure | because i ran out of them a while ago :( | 21:42 |
| fenn | no, i agree | 21:42 |
| fenn | hum, one of the symptoms for vitamin b6 overdose is 'increased dream activity' | 21:46 |
| kanzure | QuantumG: now humanityplus.org isn't even responding to me | 21:46 |
| kanzure | you crashed the server d | 21:46 |
| QuantumG | ya | 21:46 |
| QuantumG | it fears me | 21:46 |
| kanzure | it's really amazing how much people are fooled by web traffic stats | 21:46 |
| kanzure | "we get 2,000 hits per day!" | 21:47 |
| kanzure | when in reality they get more like 20 at most | 21:47 |
| kanzure | i get more hits than that just announcing i farted on twitter. | 21:47 |
| fenn | i think chris langan should be the spokesman for h+ | 21:48 |
| kanzure | why? he looks like a moron | 21:48 |
| fenn | exactly | 21:48 |
| kanzure | at least from his wikipedia article | 21:48 |
| fenn | h+ needs more radical viewpoints | 21:49 |
| kanzure | uh | 21:49 |
| kanzure | what it needs is to be replaced by danila medvedev | 21:49 |
| fenn | right now it's watered down to nothing, basically what they are advocating is the democratic party line | 21:49 |
| kanzure | btw, danila and the .ru transhumanists have been working on a new release of NE-1 | 21:49 |
| fenn | meh | 21:50 |
| QuantumG | humanity+ needs some more crazy.. ya know, like blue people with tails crazy | 21:50 |
| kanzure | they also have some money for this development work | 21:50 |
| kanzure | QuantumG: they already have that sort of crazy | 21:50 |
| kanzure | what they need are people who don't believe in the magical powers of fucking PR | 21:50 |
| QuantumG | moar | 21:50 |
| kanzure | no matter how much PR you have it doesn't make up for the fact that you've done nothing | 21:50 |
| kanzure | and no, more conferences aren't going to help | 21:50 |
| QuantumG | right, they need fake news | 21:51 |
| kanzure | hplusmagazine.com? | 21:51 |
| Noahj | I think farting on twitter causes that freakish bird to pass out | 21:51 |
| fenn | bryan bishop, director of action-oriented planning | 21:51 |
| QuantumG | get a hot chick to bath in blue food coloring | 21:51 |
| QuantumG | claim it is genetic engineering that turned her blue | 21:51 |
| kanzure | take a look at the articles: http://hplusmagazine.com/ | 21:51 |
| QuantumG | proclaim the revolution ready | 21:52 |
| kanzure | i mean.. really. | 21:52 |
| QuantumG | also, robots. | 21:52 |
| kanzure | yeah, radicalism isn't going to help, it just needs good old fashion human enhancement | 21:54 |
| kanzure | it's funny.. there's actually more on the web each day about 'human enhancement' that h+ is totally missing out on | 21:54 |
| QuantumG | radical human enhancement | 21:54 |
| fenn | "radicalism" | 21:54 |
| QuantumG | surgically implanted guns | 21:55 |
| fenn | by "radical viewpoints" i meant pure extensions from first principles, not some communist something or other | 21:55 |
| kanzure | ok fine | 21:55 |
| kanzure | we already have those viewpoints, now what :P | 21:55 |
| QuantumG | cut someone open and put a gun in there | 21:55 |
| QuantumG | do it | 21:55 |
| QuantumG | I nominate fenn | 21:55 |
| fenn | i nominate lepht | 21:55 |
| kanzure | lepht is a moron | 21:56 |
| QuantumG | perfect | 21:56 |
| fenn | she/it can battle it out with lagan in the first televised transhuman death match | 21:56 |
| QuantumG | DIY brain implants | 21:56 |
| kanzure | Lepht vs. The Smartest Man Alive | 21:56 |
| QuantumG | now that's radical | 21:56 |
| fenn | ok i should be getting some work done, bbl | 21:56 |
| kanzure | h+ can't really "fund" DIY brain implants because they are all pussies about the law | 21:57 |
| kanzure | right now it's best used as a vehicle for receiving large pre-arranged donations | 21:57 |
| QuantumG | and spending it on ads asking for more donations | 21:58 |
| kanzure | what is it with you people and ads/pr/publicity/marketing/bullshit? | 21:58 |
| kanzure | all the publicity in the world won't fix them | 21:58 |
| QuantumG | I was suggesting that's what it does.. not what it should do | 21:59 |
| kanzure | it's a little weird working with a non-profit though | 21:59 |
| kanzure | apparently people just GIVE YOU money | 21:59 |
| kanzure | whereas i'm more used to business or something where there has to be a reason for people to do things (other than fear or whatever the emotion of the week is for SIAI) | 21:59 |
| kanzure | lepht is a bumbling moron who has a sick masochist need to cut herself and subsequently store subcutaneous shit | 22:01 |
| kanzure | there, i said it. | 22:02 |
| QuantumG | oh, lepht's a chick? | 22:02 |
| QuantumG | she can implant a gun without surgery I guess | 22:02 |
| kanzure | skycorp | 22:06 |
| QuantumG | yup | 22:07 |
| kanzure | hmm. | 22:07 |
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