2010-10-28.log

--- Log opened Thu Oct 28 00:00:08 2010
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Utopiahfor people interested in the perception of time, space and numbers http://www.cell.com/trends/cognitive-sciences/newarticles 01:29
kanzureperception is for chumps01:35
UtopiahI did not perceive that last sentence.01:36
kanzureperfect :)01:38
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Utopiaho_0 http://people.umass.edu/phil511/monads/01:54
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fennkanzure: re makerbot music, watch ~ 1:30 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZvQhAvwHr802:29
archels"Tonight I wanna get conceptual"02:33
archelsI love it when a girl talks dirty.02:33
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kanzureRUSAPR?05:05
kanzurehttp://www.sapr.ru/rusapr.aspx05:13
kanzurehmm there's an ad for nanocad.ru on the left-hand side05:13
kanzurehttp://nanocad.ru/05:14
kanzurehttp://www.nanocad.ru/products/detail.php?ID=37105:14
kanzurehttp://www.nanocad.ru/upload/product/nanocad/new/img001.png05:15
kanzure"nanoCAD 2 ????? ????????? ??? ?????? ????????????? ???? ??????????? ????????? (API) ??? ???????? ?????????? ?? ????? C++, ??????????????? ?????? ?????? ?? ???? ???????? ?????????."05:15
kanzure"? ??? ???????? ????????? ?????? ? ????????? ?????????? ??????? ??????????? ???????????? .NET ? ???????? (???????) ?? ???? ActiveX Automation (Java-script, VB-script ? ??.)."05:16
kanzurewell that's good.05:16
kanzurebut i'm not sure if this is danila medvedev's nanocad or not05:16
kanzureCFP The 4th International Seville Conference on Future-Oriented Technology Analysis (FTA)05:17
kanzure12 & 13 May 2011 http://foresight.jrc.ec.europa.eu/fta_2011/intro.html05:17
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joshcryer0 for 2 on those podcasts.05:59
joshcryerIf you want real outreach for H+ actually be substantitive. Otherwise people think you're pie in the sky.06:00
joshcryerThe LFTR talks are pretty good, for instance, unless you already know the history.06:00
archelsLFTR...?06:06
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joshcryerhttp://energyfromthorium.com/lftradsrisks.html06:07
joshcryerLiquid Floride Throrium Reactor06:08
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joshcryerIt's has a following similar to Polywell.06:08
joshcryerExcept it's effectively proven technology.06:08
joshcryer(Polywell won't work, etc)06:08
joshcryerAny of the LFTR talks are very in depth.06:08
joshcryer(the Google tech talks for it)06:09
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fenn"it has a following ..." is a poor way to describe the importance of a particular technology07:07
fenntranslation of above "NanoCAD 2 is familiar to many developers, CAD programming interface (API) for creating applications written in C + +, providing full access to all platforms. And for quick writing tools and small applications available to use. NET and scripts (scripts) based on ActiveX Automation (Java-script, VB-script, etc.). "07:10
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hundred-ideashowdy08:14
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Utopiahhttp://blogs.nature.com/news/thegreatbeyond/2010/10/china_will_claim_supercomputin.html08:28
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kanzurehello hundred-ideas 08:48
hundred-ideashello kanzure 08:49
kanzurelooks like the vehicleforge project description site just went up08:50
kanzurehttp://www.darpa.mil/tto/programs/avm/index.html08:50
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kanzurehm they link directly to .wmv08:51
JayDuggerWeak, but unsurprising.08:52
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kanzurehttp://www.gilesbathgate.com/2010/06/extracting-2d-mendel-outlines-using-openscad/09:03
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kanzurehundred-ideas: http://thecitizensciencequarterly.com/09:05
kanzurehundred-ideas: or this http://opensciencefund.com/diybio/09:05
hundred-ideas.com or .org?09:06
kanzurethose two links work for me09:06
kanzureopensciencefund.org/diybio redirects to http://opensciencefund.org/2010/05/19/diybio-shirt-design-contest/09:06
hundred-ideashttp://opensciencefund.com/diybio/ doesn't work for me09:07
kanzurefor me it shows a draft "the citizen science quarterly" website09:08
hundred-ideasoh09:08
hundred-ideasI'll try again09:08
kanzureit's not super important :P09:08
hundred-ideasit's blocking me09:08
hundred-ideaswell09:08
hundred-ideasI'm getting a 50309:08
hundred-ideasI would support a kickstarter project for http://www.scq.ubc.ca/09:09
hundred-ideasNow there is a great science quarterly09:09
hundred-ideashehe.  "What's <insert cryptic gene name here>"?09:10
kanzureso has anyone offered to write/post anything on the diybio.org blog?09:10
kanzureever since this magazine-craze started?09:10
hundred-ideasyeah09:11
hundred-ideasI have 3 articles on deck09:11
hundred-ideasI was just formatting them as we speak09:12
hundred-ideasone from Jeswin John, one from Cathal, one from myself09:12
hundred-ideasand a couple of others are on the way09:12
hundred-ideaswant to write something?09:12
kanzurenope09:12
kanzurebut i'm glad something came of that09:12
hundred-ideaswhat if I paid you...... $30!09:15
hundred-ideashaha09:15
kanzurehow about $1509:16
hundred-ideasgot any ideas where I could find a stick-figure diagram of Citric Acid coordinating a metal ion?09:17
kanzureno, i'd try google images for a while, and then pop into ##bioinformatics and complain a bit09:18
kanzureoops, just #bioinformatics09:18
kanzure09:18 -!- Topic for #bioinformatics: #bioinformatics: where ponies and probabilistic models are awesome09:19
hundred-ideashah09:20
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kanzureanyone have a link to "The Singularity Hypothesis: A Scientific And Philosophical Assessment"09:45
kanzuresupermarket for synthetic biology products http://super-cell.org/09:50
hundred-ideasit's not loading for me09:54
hundred-ideasbut the whois suggests the registrant is a berliner09:54
hundred-ideasthat's interesting09:54
hundred-ideasaha09:58
hundred-ideashttp://2010.igem.org/Team:Weimar-Heidelberg_Arts/Collaboration09:58
kanzurei've been having trouble keeping proper track of all of the names from each of the igem teams09:59
hundred-ideasso has everyone in the world09:59
kanzurewell, i started to import the data into meetlog.txt09:59
kanzureso now it's at least partially searchable09:59
kanzureit's really interesting to see where people pop up again10:00
kanzurefor instance, peculiar igem people donating to biocurious or whatever10:00
kanzure(i imported the biocurious list)10:00
kanzureor showing up at one of the singularity summits10:00
kanzurestuff like that.10:00
hundred-ideasmaybe you should try https://code.google.com/p/google-refine/10:01
kanzuremaybe i can convince igem to just force all registrants to use vcards :P10:03
kanzurewhat's the name of that microformat anyway10:03
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kanzuredanila says nanocad.ru is not him11:25
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archels  11:53
archelser, ignore11:53
archelskanzure: nanoCAD's interface looks like srsbiz.11:55
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Jon_Dhello crazy people12:49
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kanzurethat troll was no fun12:51
uniqanomalyI bet he was just shy13:01
archelsI like your optimism, speaking in the past tense.13:02
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kanzure"toward an open source robotic platform" http://rampagerobotics.com/node/2213:43
kanzurelocal motors doing a 5 car fleet http://hi-tech-5.blogspot.com/2010/10/local-motors-ups-rally-fighter-fleet-to.html13:43
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hundred-ideasopendns or google public dns?14:26
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QuantumGI use opendns14:29
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kanzurehttp://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/hometissueculture15:17
kanzure)http://photomacrography.net/amateurmicroscopy/15:17
kanzuregrr15:17
kanzurehttp://photomacrography.net/amateurmicroscopy/15:17
kanzurehttp://amateurmicroscopy.blogspot.com/15:18
kanzurehttp://www.postnatural.org/pno_of_the_month.html15:19
kanzure"During the late 1950's a large-scale public works program was initiated to eradicate the live-flesh-eating screwworm plaguing cattle ranches across the American south. The screwworm is the larval stage of the fly, Cochliomyia hominivorax. Full-scale fly factories were produced in Florida and Texas capable of producing 500 billion sterile male flies per week."15:19
kanzure"The factories were optimized to expedite each stage of the fly's life and to sort them by gender prior to their emergence from the pupae. Male screwworms, at the age of 5 ½ days, were loaded into metal tubes and carried by a lone worker to the irradiation facility15:20
kanzurewhere they were exposed to a radioactive sample of Cobalt 60, permanently ending their reproductive capacity. Following maturation into adult flies, they were released from airplanes 1,000 ft above America's cattle growing regions15:20
kanzurewhere the now impotent males would attempt unsuccessfully to mate with the typically monogamous females."15:20
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Jonanoanyone is crazy here ?15:38
QuantumGthat's accurate15:39
kanzurehttp://www.kickstarter.com/projects/86514518/diy-arduino-eeg15:40
kanzureDaeken: click?15:41
kanzurethat's probably jacob shiach though, so meh15:41
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kanzurehttp://blog.makezine.com/archive/2010/10/home_science_lab_from_recycled_mate.html16:14
kanzure"Father building a home science laboratory for the kids out of junk, ebay, and garage sale scores"16:14
kanzurewut? "open source manufacturing execution system" http://leanmes.com/home.html16:17
kanzurehttp://www.globalspec.com/events/16:26
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fennsweet we can combine the open source execution system with the serial killer database17:59
Jonanogreat !18:01
QuantumGhehe18:01
Jonanoit's as crazy as me18:01
kanzureQuantumG: is bigelow still doing inflatables?18:02
QuantumGthey prefer to call them "expandables" but yes18:03
JonanoQuantumG you work for bigelow aeorospace ?18:04
QuantumGno18:04
kanzure"Aspart of The Economist and InnoCentive's Challenge Program for the upcoming Ideas Economy Conference on Innovation, The Economist is seeking disruptively innovative and exciting business models that embody the conference's main theme - innovation. Award: $10,000". Hmm.18:06
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fennkanzure: dunno if you're still into startup stuff or not http://blog.fairsoftware.net/2010/10/28/the-co-founders-meetup-is-coming-to-austin-texas-on-dec-6th/18:14
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fenni just got this email "Looking for a C++ Engineer w/threading expertise"18:15
fennhahahahahahahaaaa18:15
fennanyway, time for bed18:15
jrayhawkls18:18
jrayhawkoops18:18
Jonanodo you know that I am the owner of this universe ?18:25
JonanoI created this simulation18:25
Jonanothere is a universal and physical language, it's called money18:26
JonanoI am in your head18:26
kanzurereadin ur mindz18:32
Jonano:>18:34
Jonanolol18:34
Jonanohttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Certainty19:08
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kanzurewut? http://www.singularitysummit.it/20:01
kanzurewb hundred-ideas 20:01
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kanzurehi kizzo 20:06
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kizzoHello.20:30
kizzoAny suggestions for a PhD thesis that I can undertake in about a year? : )20:31
kizzoI've lately been most interested in neural nets and cybornetics/cyborgs.20:32
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kizzoThat designfiles link doesn't work.20:38
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kanzurekizzo: yeah, the servers are dead mostly20:40
kanzurebrain-computer interfaces are always a hot topic for PhD theses, but they usually involve animal research20:41
kanzurea review article won't qualify as a phd thesis :P20:41
kizzoTrue.20:41
kanzureyou want the phd thesis to be done in a year?20:42
kizzoI've been noticing lately that there's too many routes towards what I want - so many, it's hard to pinpoint a thesis to work on and know will be useful later (but still trying).20:43
kanzurewhy the year timeline20:43
kizzoOh no - I'm doing undergrad right now, prepping for grad school.20:43
kizzoI have a year left of undergrad.20:43
kanzureah you mean you'd start it in a year20:43
kanzureok20:43
kanzuremuch different :)20:43
kanzurewhat have you been studying for undergrad and where?20:44
kizzoComputer Science at San Jose State, CA.20:44
kanzurekind of bland.20:45
kanzurehmm20:45
kizzoI hate undergrad work - waste of (my) time.  I can't wait for grad school (it might still be a waste, but less so).20:45
kizzo[ but that's just me complaining about how things arn't perfect ha ]20:45
kanzurewhen i was in undergrad i spent most of my time like a grad student20:45
kanzureanyway, how'd you end up in here? i remember you from earlier this month20:47
kanzurebut that's about it20:47
kizzoYou mentioned something about this channel in #opencog.20:47
kanzureah cool, okay20:47
kanzureso, why cybernetics?20:48
kanzuredo you want to be in neuroscience/neurophysiology, physics, some other hard science? or sociology of cyborgs or something?20:48
kizzoI'm only interested in cyborgs because it looks like a fast way to not die (replacing parts of yourself with better parts).20:49
kizzoI'm interested in neural nets because.. well.. that one is hard to describe (why I'm interested).  They just look important to me, somehow.20:50
kanzureone of the regulars in here was doing reprap research for tissue engineering20:50
kanzureneural nets are just one particular way of solving problems, there's lots of other types of networks (like bayesian networks or markov chains)20:50
kizzoYeah, they're different from sequencial things.  It's a really different way of solving problems.  In other words, how do you describe how a cat dodges a ball?20:51
kizzoOr, formalizing the process of dodging a ball.  that's hard, sequentially.  But not hard with neural nets.20:52
kanzureso you know neuroanatomy?20:52
kizzoBio? Artificial?  I don't know a lot about biology currently, so I only know a lot about artificial neural nets.20:53
kizzo[ not a LOT, but that's what I'm looking at ]20:53
kanzurewell that's worrisome :P20:53
kizzoIf by neuroanatomy, you mean a general understanding of ANN architectures, then yes.20:53
kanzureno20:54
kizzoOh ok.20:54
kanzurei mean stuff like "glutamate has an inhibitory effect in the basal ganglia" or "the striatum sends signals down to the internal segment of the globus pallidius"20:56
kizzoIf that's biological neural nets (it sounds like) then no I don't know.20:57
kizzoNo I don't know any of that.20:57
kanzurethe first is about neurophysiology in a region of the brain20:57
kanzurethe second is about the flow of action in the brain i guess20:57
kanzurekizzo: i have some cyborg/neuro-related papers here: http://bio.cc/Bioinformics/papers/21:00
kizzoCool beans.21:11
kizzoI fortunately still have the time to think about things and narrow what I want to do.21:16
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