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| archels | Finally put my collection of neuroscience pictures in a somewhat decent format... | 05:42 |
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| archels | http://www.conncad.com/gallery/ | 05:42 |
| Utopiah | http://globalguerrillas.typepad.com/globalguerrillas/2010/11/the-open-source-economy-and-metacurrencies.html | 05:44 |
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| JayDugger | Good morning, everyone. | 06:45 |
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| kanzure | stream from the russian transhumanist movement http://www.ustream.tv/channel/rtmseminar5 | 07:13 |
| kanzure | austin hackerspace got itself a mural http://blog.atxhackerspace.org/2010/11/our-mural-by-tesseract-travellers/ | 07:19 |
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| kanzure | russian transhumanist movement registration form https://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?formkey=dERULXpZYlp1QTBnMEp6UkZ0N29MVXc6MQ | 08:05 |
| kanzure | screw it i'll just use their RTM acronym (it's not precisely obvious to outsiders though) | 08:05 |
| archels | A Russian Transhumanists conference in Russian? Who'da thunk it. | 08:12 |
| archels | kanzure I'm offended that you did not browse my gallery | 08:12 |
| archels | :) | 08:12 |
| kanzure | archels: no, i like it :) | 08:16 |
| kanzure | archels: did you ever see brainbow and those images? http://bio.cc/Bioinformics/papers/brainbow/ | 08:16 |
| kanzure | explanation: http://bio.cc/Bioinformics/papers/brainbow_strategies.png | 08:17 |
| archels | Yeah, I skimmed the paper while inserting the reference... pretty spectacular imagery! | 08:19 |
| kanzure | i really should upload my paperdump .. the one on bio.cc is a few years old | 08:21 |
| kanzure | on the designfiles.org/papers/ dump there were some cool images of lentiviral vectors infecting GFP genes into neurons | 08:21 |
| kanzure | so that certain types of ion channels would always have gfp attached | 08:22 |
| archels | Interesting, after your browsing session it got picked up by TwitterBot, GoogleBot and some Yahoo bot. | 08:22 |
| kanzure | actually i don't know if 'always' is the right word there.. because some sources say there should be millions of ion channels on a neuron's membrane, but there were clearly only a few thousand ion channels in the images | 08:22 |
| kanzure | archels: because i tweeted it | 08:23 |
| archels | oh you did! Cool. :P | 08:23 |
| archels | kanzure: Do you know if anyone's capturing tomorrow's talk by Suzanne Gildert in Teleplace? | 08:31 |
| kanzure | aubrey de gray interview (but it's from spacecollective.org so it's probably more.. artsy/aesthetics) http://spacecollective.org/Wildcat/6465/Longevity-Its-for-Lovers-A-brief-interview-with-Aubrey-De-Grey | 08:32 |
| kanzure | archels: no clue.. ask Giulio Prisco <giulio@gmail.com> | 08:33 |
| kanzure | archels: frankly i'd just ignore the whole telexlr8/teleplace thing | 08:33 |
| archels | kanzure: Is it possible to bypass that altogether and still view the talk? | 08:37 |
| Utopiah | archels: Giulio usually publish recordings on his blog few days after | 08:37 |
| archels | Utopiah: I noticed that for some previous talks, but didn't know whether it was somewhat at random. | 08:42 |
| Utopiah | note that the titles are often way more tempting than the content :/ | 08:43 |
| archels | Well, I guess that's one of the downsides of Teleplace--one may be tempted to turn a talk into some kind of forum/discussion. But the platform is just horribly inadequate for that, and the lack of users makes it worse. | 08:44 |
| kanzure | also the lack of platform support | 08:51 |
| Utopiah | 1st transhumanist conf in France in Paris the 17th, maybe it will be broadcasted and maybe in french | 08:53 |
| Utopiah | (17th of January) | 08:53 |
| kanzure | Utopiah: link plz | 08:53 |
| Utopiah | http://fr.groups.yahoo.com/group/transhumanistes/message/944 | 08:54 |
| Utopiah | (thought it was just an email) | 08:54 |
| kanzure | i was reading this because i was looking up "chris binny" http://noodlemaz.wordpress.com/2010/11/26/the-future-of-science/ | 08:57 |
| kanzure | but it turns out anders is listed there too | 08:57 |
| kanzure | ne1 hidden subsite :/ http://nanoengineer-1.com/dev1/ | 09:01 |
| kanzure | http://nanoengineer-1.com/dev1/index.php?option=com_fireboard&Itemid=85 | 09:01 |
| fitzsim | hi kazure, I tried to use the NE-1 git repo last night | 09:16 |
| fitzsim | kanzure: how did you convert from SVN to git? | 09:17 |
| kanzure | fitzsim: was something wrong with the git repo? "tried to use" | 09:27 |
| kanzure | git-svn | 09:27 |
| fitzsim | it was really slow | 09:27 |
| fitzsim | I was surprised to still see the trunk/tags/branches svn layout too | 09:28 |
| kanzure | cloning the repo? yes- it's about 300 MB | 09:28 |
| kanzure | however, it shouldn't be slow after this since you have everything now | 09:28 |
| fitzsim | no, using the repo | 09:28 |
| fitzsim | git status was really slow | 09:28 |
| kanzure | yeah there's a few hundred thousand files for it to check | 09:28 |
| kanzure | i think putting the tags into separate branches would be nice | 09:28 |
| fitzsim | yeah | 09:29 |
| kanzure | but i'm not quite sure why they are all there anyway | 09:29 |
| fitzsim | that's what I would haven expected git-svn to do | 09:29 |
| fitzsim | shouldn't the resulting git repo replace branches/ with real git branches? | 09:29 |
| fitzsim | likewise with tags? | 09:29 |
| kanzure | well, yes. | 09:30 |
| kanzure | yeah there's a lot of maintenance work i need to do here | 09:31 |
| kanzure | i'm not sure if i should commit changes to the repo to port over all of the tags/branches | 09:32 |
| kanzure | i'd rather have the history rewritten or something, but that would screw over everyone who has cloned it | 09:32 |
| fitzsim | did you convert from a backup of the SVN repo? | 09:32 |
| fitzsim | I think you may need to re-run git-svn with different options or something | 09:33 |
| kanzure | maybe --stdlayout | 09:34 |
| fitzsim | this one tutorial covers converting tags: http://pauldowman.com/2008/07/26/how-to-convert-from-subversion-to-git/ | 09:35 |
| fitzsim | I think what we want is to not use --stdlayout | 09:38 |
| fitzsim | since this is a one-time conversion we want to change to the git style of doing things | 09:38 |
| fitzsim | hopefully that will speed up repository operation | 09:39 |
| kanzure | how about svn.noMetadata (to remove the git-svn-id stuff in the commit messages) | 09:39 |
| kanzure | since mark isn't going to let anyone see the svn repo i doubt the git-svn-id data matters | 09:40 |
| fitzsim | yeah, that sounds right for a one-time conversion | 09:41 |
| fitzsim | did you point git-svn to the original SVN location, or are you working with a SVN backup tarball? | 09:41 |
| kanzure | original svn location.. last time i cloned it it took about 14 hours (from a reasonable internet connection) | 09:43 |
| kanzure | i did git-svn directly | 09:43 |
| kanzure | anyway, i'll fix the author usernames while i'm at it | 09:44 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/nanoengineer/authors.txt | 09:45 |
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| kanzure | if you can provide any fullnames/email addresses that would be really hot | 09:45 |
| fitzsim | ok, bummer you don't have a backup of the repo so you can experiment quickly on your local machine | 09:45 |
| kanzure | i know a few of these guys but not all | 09:45 |
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| kanzure | i have no idea if i should use helfrich9000@gmail.com for brian :x | 09:46 |
| fitzsim | Mark could probably fill in that entire list for you | 09:46 |
| kanzure | niftyzero1: how do you know jey kottalam or tom moore? | 09:48 |
| kanzure | i see that tom moore had an account | 09:49 |
| kanzure | fitzsim: what do you think, should i keep wware and willware_nanorex as the same email addressing (wware@alum.mit.edu) or set willware_nanorex as wware@nanorex.com ? | 09:52 |
| kanzure | *email address | 09:52 |
| kanzure | i figure that mark@nanorex.com is probably the only remaining, working nanorex email address | 09:52 |
| fitzsim | yeah, I'd say use the most current email address for everyone | 09:53 |
| kanzure | fitzsim: ok email sent to the mailing list | 10:09 |
| kanzure | kevin kelly presenting "what technology wants" at google http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCWR0A3iziE | 10:12 |
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| niftyzero1 | kanzure - I know jey because we worked together on the singularity summit web site | 10:44 |
| niftyzero1 | I don't recall exactly how I met tom, but we worked a bit on some nano simulation | 10:44 |
| niftyzero1 | I wrote this small gromacs to blender script: https://github.com/devrandom/nanotools | 10:44 |
| kanzure | ah cool | 10:44 |
| kanzure | tom has been emailing me recently | 10:44 |
| kanzure | in particular about nanoengineer-1 | 10:45 |
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| kanzure | hi fenn_ | 10:48 |
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| kanzure | cool baez knows bruce smith (from nanorex) http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/diary/september_2006.html | 11:11 |
| kanzure | fenn_: you should go meet markus krummenacker http://www.n-a-n-o.com/kr/resume-kr.html | 11:17 |
| kanzure | he was doing a startup in molecular nanotechnology in 2003ish | 11:18 |
| kanzure | http://web.archive.org/web/20070205011008/http://www.molecubotics.com/ | 11:18 |
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| kanzure | this is a strange path of links to end up following: | 11:33 |
| kanzure | http://web.archive.org/web/20030619212512/http://discuss.foresight.org/critmail/critters/0652.html | 11:33 |
| kanzure | -> http://lfw.org/ -> http://zesty.ca/ -> http://zesty.ca/scrape/ which looks like a nice python library for scraping webpages | 11:34 |
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| kanzure | also plus weird xanadu.. stuff. | 11:35 |
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| kanzure | hm another random development site http://www.nanoengineer-1.net/xyz | 12:05 |
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| kanzure | kinematic cellular automata for self-replicating systems at nasa (2004) http://www.niac.usra.edu/files/studies/final_report/883Toth-Fejel.pdf | 12:32 |
| memorex | anyone interested in compiling a swg server with me? | 12:35 |
| mayko | oooo CA are tay secksay not familiar with kinematic CA though | 12:37 |
| kanzure | i'm surprised i haven't seen this study before.. | 12:37 |
| kanzure | i guess my knowledge of freitas' work on this is up to http://www.islandone.org/MMSG/aasm/ | 12:38 |
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| kanzure | and http://www.molecularassembler.com/KSRM.htm | 12:38 |
| mayko | heh bunnies everywhere! | 12:45 |
| mayko | i just ran across a cool article on archeal biofilms | 12:46 |
| mayko | http://www.nasw.org/users/mslong/2010/2010_11/Biofilms.htm | 12:46 |
| mayko | shouldnt surprise me but anything archeal is automatically cool | 12:46 |
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| kanzure | "Toward that end, the two have been working on the design of nanomachines made of silsesquioxanes, or hybrid inorganic-organic composites in cubic form, from which molecules of silicon hang on each corner" | 12:55 |
| kanzure | "The cubic cage with silicon atoms at the corners is connected by atoms of oxygen, forming a unit of one form of silica, Toth-Fejel explained." | 12:55 |
| kanzure | that was from: http://web.archive.org/web/20060328094811/www.nanoengineer-1.com/mambo/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=72&Itemid=2 | 12:57 |
| kanzure | haha this needs to be improved | 13:02 |
| kanzure | "This worm drive assembly designed by K. Eric Drexler, Josh Hall, Ninad Sathaye and Mark Sims includes 11 components totalling 25,374 atoms." | 13:03 |
| kanzure | "The animations below have been created from simulation results using NanoEngineer-1 Alpha 7, taking just over 370 hours to complete on a Dell laptop running WindowsXP. It is the largest model ever simulated with NanoEngineer-1." | 13:03 |
| kanzure | image: http://web.archive.org/web/20061116061501/http://www.nanoengineer-1.com/mambo/images/stories/gallery/wormdrive/worm_drive_animation5.gif | 13:03 |
| kanzure | image: http://web.archive.org/web/20061116061501/http://www.nanoengineer-1.com/mambo/images/stories/gallery/wormdrive/worm_drive_animation6.gif | 13:03 |
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| archels | kanzure: What happens if you try to run those gears at room temperature? | 13:54 |
| kanzure | i don't think anyone has done that yet to find out :x | 14:10 |
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| timothyschmidt | kanzure: you around? | 14:36 |
| timothyschmidt | I was just discussing with a friend how laws are source code, and should be kept in an SCM, but that 99.8% of folk don't even know what source code is, so that will never happen. | 14:37 |
| timothyschmidt | The idea struck me that an independent project could simply start doing it - endeavor to maintain the nation's laws in an SCM, with all the utility that would come from that. | 14:38 |
| timothyschmidt | After several years, it might be adopted. | 14:38 |
| timothyschmidt | I bet there's significant NFP funding available somewhere for such a project. | 14:38 |
| timothyschmidt | it's at the juicy intersection between tech and government | 14:38 |
| kanzure | hi timothyschmidt | 14:39 |
| kanzure | timothyschmidt: wouldn't that require insiders? | 14:39 |
| kanzure | unless you mean just scraping thomasnet and legislation publications | 14:40 |
| kanzure | s/thomasnet/thomas.gov/ | 14:40 |
| timothyschmidt | the US legislature (and certainly others) already use an SCM-like markup syntax | 14:40 |
| timothyschmidt | Yeah, I mean scraping all public sources. | 14:40 |
| timothyschmidt | even just the scraped incomplete database would provide a lot of benefit | 14:41 |
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| kanzure | "molecular sorting pump" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TfuvLT4bbbA | 15:10 |
| kanzure | looks more like it was designed in solidworks or something | 15:10 |
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| kanzure | Mitigating cognitive bottlenecks via an augmented cognition adaptive system http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/freeabs_all.jsp?arnumber=1243935 | 19:54 |
| kanzure | hm how do i not have paper access any more | 19:55 |
| fitzsim | kanzure: I was thinking about the git repo | 20:06 |
| fitzsim | another thing that may slow it down is all the binary data | 20:06 |
| fitzsim | during the conversion you may want to experiment with sub-modules for the binary data | 20:06 |
| fitzsim | where all the subdirectories that contain exclusively binary data would be stored in a separate module, but checked out into the same working directory | 20:07 |
| fitzsim | it would have to produce big speed improvements to be worth the hassle, i.e., dependent on the result of the experiment | 20:09 |
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| kanzure | fitzsim: it's up to r7521.. so about half-way done now | 20:26 |
| fitzsim | kanzure: nice | 20:28 |
| fitzsim | kanzure: let me know if you want me to test checkout and "git status" speeds | 20:29 |
| fitzsim | kanzure: hopefully the binaries won't affect speed too much | 20:29 |
| fitzsim | I know binaries do slow down SVN pretty bad, but git may deal with them better | 20:30 |
| timothyschmidt | git deals with binaries well, so long as they're < half your machines ram size. | 20:33 |
| timothyschmidt | rather, I should say that git deals with all files equally well - so long as none of them are > half your ram size. | 20:34 |
| timothyschmidt | when it encounters a single file that large, whatever sort of mmap trickery it uses doesn't work so well. | 20:35 |
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| jrayhawk | kanzure: progress seems to be being made on the autoindex situation you didn't like http://ikiwiki.info/todo/transient_pages/ | 21:27 |
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| kanzure | r8788 | 22:03 |
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