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| jrayhawk | a race to see who can implant the most neodymium magnets? | 00:23 |
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| JayDugger | Good evening, everyone. | 02:26 |
| JayDugger | kanzure: who won the race? | 02:32 |
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| Utopiah | if they are Vimperator users around, you should try the Pentadactyl alternative, it's really fast (just tried it) | 05:19 |
| JayDugger | I found vimperator way over-powered for what I wanted: unique keystrokes for links on a web page. | 05:28 |
| JayDugger | I switched to LoL, which works well and quickly. | 05:28 |
| JayDugger | Have you tried it, and if so, how does it compare with Pterodactyl? | 05:29 |
| JayDugger | Sorry--s/Pterodactyl/Pentadactyl/ | 05:30 |
| JayDugger | Pentadactyl--https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/235854/ | 05:30 |
| Utopiah | URL to LoL please | 05:31 |
| JayDugger | LoL--https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/8781/ | 05:32 |
| Utopiah | so it's Vimperator/Pentadactly/Vimium restricted to opening links with the keyboard? | 05:33 |
| JayDugger | Pentadactyl provides far more, but I only used vimperator for keyboard navigation. | 05:33 |
| JayDugger | Yes. | 05:33 |
| JayDugger | Do you actually write macros for web pages with Pentadactyl? | 05:33 |
| Utopiah | yes | 05:33 |
| JayDugger | Ah. | 05:33 |
| Utopiah | but Im considering making a presentation on that at a local group, if you want Ill ask for your feedback on it | 05:33 |
| JayDugger | I'd like to see the presentation once you finish, but I don't think I've any useful suggestions for it. | 05:34 |
| JayDugger | My needs were more modest. :) | 05:34 |
| Utopiah | (Ill add LoL/HaH to the presenation though, for those who wants to focus on that aspect) | 05:36 |
| pasky | what always turned me down from vimperator was the inability to do multi-level back, very awkward global history / bookmarks access and awkward printing support; of course, it was also very slow, but aside of that, is any of this improved in pentadactyl? | 05:41 |
| Utopiah | multi-level back? | 05:42 |
| pasky | in normal firefox you have the drop-down menu next to back/forward buttons, that allows you to skip to arbitrary point in the past of the current tab; i use that very often and didn't find equivalent functionality in vimperator | 05:46 |
| Utopiah | well there is a back function so if you map it to a key of your choice then apply a modifier like 3_mappedkey you would go back 3 times in the history of the page, so Im not the right person to ask that to because it's not a common behavior for me but I dont see that as a problem | 05:51 |
| JayDugger | How many keystrokes does it take to reload the third page from the current tab's history? | 05:51 |
| pasky | Utopiah: how does that behave if the previous page was a redirect? won't that trigger loading of all the pages along the path? | 05:52 |
| Utopiah | JayDugger: 2 | 05:52 |
| JayDugger | Without pentadactyl, it takes me five, no six, keystrokes to do that. | 05:52 |
| JayDugger | Only 2 makes a pretty good savings, assume about one-third second. | 05:53 |
| Utopiah | and not just time but also focus, the easier it gets the more you focus on the task itself, not meta-actions | 05:53 |
| JayDugger | Also true. I can't tell whether I save any mental focus by using pentadactyl instead of the regular menu navigation keystrokes. | 05:54 |
| Utopiah | well at the beginning it will be awful ;) | 05:55 |
| JayDugger | Doubly so for an emacs user. | 05:56 |
| JayDugger | I did try KeySnail (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/13118/), but again--overkill for me. | 05:57 |
| JayDugger | I just want hit-a-hint. | 05:57 |
| JayDugger | Does pentadactyl allow you to call external editors for test areas, as does "It's All Text?" | 05:58 |
| Utopiah | just like Vimperator you can vim or gvim or... other lesser editors | 05:59 |
| JayDugger | I find that a very helpful tool. | 06:00 |
| JayDugger | Even with "other lesser editors." | 06:00 |
| Utopiah | yes especially when you edit large pages of wikis | 06:00 |
| JayDugger | Will pentadactyl let you switch to tabs based on searching through their title, URL, or page content? | 06:05 |
| JayDugger | I.e., | 06:05 |
| JayDugger | :switch-to-tab-regex 'foo.org$' | 06:06 |
| JayDugger | and the tab whose URL ends with foo.org pops to the foreground? | 06:06 |
| Utopiah | yes, but for more details oftc/#pentadactyl | 06:13 |
| JayDugger | Got it, thanks. | 06:13 |
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| kanzure | what? http://ompldr.org/vNmFjMg/open-source-hardware.png | 12:10 |
| uniqanomaly_ | 'looks something like this' | 12:17 |
| uniqanomaly_ | not big fan of open source hardware i guess | 12:17 |
| uniqanomaly_ | made this one | 12:17 |
| archels | fascinating contraption | 12:23 |
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| kanzure | opencog talk :P | 12:39 |
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| kanzure | experimental design fail? http://rrresearch.blogspot.com/2010/12/arsenic-associated-bacteria-nasas.html | 14:25 |
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| kanzure | http://scenariosandstrategy.wordpress.com/2010/12/05/wetware/ | 14:28 |
| QuantumG | that first one.. that's the reason why they embargo the papers until the press conf | 14:35 |
| QuantumG | at the press conf, they also restrict anyone from asking "technical" questions and encourage them to ask questions that have "non-technical" answers. | 14:37 |
| kanzure | http://lisadonchak.com/2010/12/05/humanity-plus-session-4-business-and-economy-in-the-era-of-radical-technomorphosis/ | 15:12 |
| QuantumG | kanzure: have you seen the "body modification" movement? (aka, freaks) | 15:14 |
| QuantumG | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_modification | 15:15 |
| kanzure | yes | 15:18 |
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| kanzure | hi MrClif | 16:56 |
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| kanzure | gino yu cracks me up | 17:21 |
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| MrClif | Hey Kanzure! | 17:22 |
| MrClif | Yep thought I would check in (lurk) a bit while I watched the stream. | 17:23 |
| kanzure | i'm up next | 17:32 |
| MrClif | I know, I | 17:32 |
| MrClif | ve been waiting all day. ;-) | 17:32 |
| QuantumG | what's the url? | 17:33 |
| QuantumG | http://humanityplus.org/conferences/stream/ ? | 17:34 |
| MrClif | Yep. | 17:34 |
| MrClif | didn't want it to take up my whole day but it was pretty captivateing | 17:34 |
| MrClif | Break a leg! ;-) | 17:38 |
| QuantumG | woo.. kanzure! | 17:39 |
| joshcryer | stickcam you have been banned | 17:42 |
| joshcryer | is it playing yet? | 17:42 |
| joshcryer | I don't see nuthin :( | 17:42 |
| QuantumG | man you suck | 17:45 |
| joshcryer | omfg | 17:45 |
| joshcryer | why is flash streaming broke | 17:45 |
| joshcryer | I reinstalled it and my browsers and it's still broke | 17:45 |
| QuantumG | hates you.. better hope you have a good stream for the COTS Demo 1 launch | 17:46 |
| joshcryer | I think it's winpcap | 17:46 |
| joshcryer | brb | 17:46 |
| joshcryer | Nope. | 17:48 |
| * joshcryer shakes a fist | 17:48 | |
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| joshcryer | Is kanzure putting his fist down? Telling everyone that talking and PR and BS is a waste of time? | 17:49 |
| joshcryer | >:P | 17:49 |
| QuantumG | give it time | 17:51 |
| JayDugger | What's with the pink unicorn logo? | 17:53 |
| MrClif | Question time! | 17:53 |
| kanzure | atari | 17:55 |
| kanzure | anywho that was fun | 17:56 |
| QuantumG | well done | 17:57 |
| MrClif | Yeah, do you have a list of URLs for all those projects you flashed over at light speed in your slide show? | 17:57 |
| kanzure | fenn might | 17:57 |
| MrClif | cool | 17:57 |
| JayDugger | Good work, kanzure. Public speaking only looks/easy. | 17:57 |
| QuantumG | your last slide kanzure | 17:58 |
| kanzure | QuantumG: i'm at a futurist conference, i thought an atari unicorn from the future would be appropriate | 17:58 |
| QuantumG | I wasn't aware of that site.. I just subscribed to the mailing list of my local hackerspace.. and so far as I can tell they don't have an actual "space" just yet :) | 17:58 |
| QuantumG | "We are well and truly live, for over a year now! We are now residing at our SECOND space. A space to truly call our own... for a while until we find something better. Woohoo!" <- confusing | 17:59 |
| kanzure | this: http://www.blog.spoongraphics.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2009/retro-futurism/Picture-2.jpg | 17:59 |
| QuantumG | kinda looks like they got a space over a year ago but just haven't updated their "how to join" page.. which seems stupid | 18:01 |
| JayDugger | QuantumG--their out-of-date page makes an opportunity to help them. | 18:10 |
| QuantumG | I'm entering lurk mode | 18:21 |
| QuantumG | on their irc channel/mailing list | 18:21 |
| MrClif | for those who are still watching, wikileaks.org has been taken. | 18:26 |
| QuantumG | meh, it's an off topic question | 18:26 |
| QuantumG | someone cut him off and move on | 18:26 |
| MrClif | perhaps but censorship is a tool for controlling would be free societies. | 18:28 |
| QuantumG | heh, I guess someone heard me | 18:28 |
| MrClif | yep they were censored | 18:28 |
| MrClif | just what you wanted eh? | 18:28 |
| QuantumG | pretty funny considering that panel started with the question "what's this got to do with transhumanism?" | 18:29 |
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| QuantumG | going off-topic is contagious | 18:29 |
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| joshcryer | What was the OT question? | 18:36 |
| QuantumG | about wikileaks taking down sites.. | 18:37 |
| QuantumG | the speaker happened to mention that he worked for Network Solutions 10 years ago | 18:37 |
| QuantumG | err, wikileaks dns being taken down I mean | 18:37 |
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| joshcryer | QuantumG, sounds perfectly on topic. ;P | 22:23 |
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