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| kanzure | via jacob shiach. | 04:35 |
| uniqanomaly | yeah, memes are viral, lol | 04:37 |
| fenn | http://jalalagood.tumblr.com/photo/1280/2446452753/1/tumblr_ldxwghgF4u1qf9m9z | 04:50 |
| fenn | synergy strike force, "the Santa Surge took them by surprise!" | 04:51 |
| uniqanomaly | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/12/23/double_click_patent/ | 04:53 |
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| kanzure | hi lambda280 | 05:00 |
| kanzure | what is it with you people and 'memes' | 05:00 |
| kanzure | it's as if yuo think you've come up with the best idea ever | 05:01 |
| uniqanomaly | not really | 05:01 |
| kanzure | yes | 05:01 |
| uniqanomaly | no. | 05:01 |
| uniqanomaly | but whatever | 05:01 |
| kanzure | http://www.google.com/trends?q=memes | 05:02 |
| uniqanomaly | memes meme gone wild | 05:02 |
| uniqanomaly | haha | 05:02 |
| uniqanomaly | it's just nice idea | 05:03 |
| kanzure | http://ngrams.googlelabs.com/graph?content=memes&year_start=1995&year_end=2008&corpus=0&smoothing=3 | 05:03 |
| uniqanomaly | http://ngrams.googlelabs.com/graph?content=memes&year_start=19&year_end=2008&corpus=0&smoothing=3 | 05:04 |
| uniqanomaly | i thought it was coined in 1976 | 05:04 |
| joshcryer | I think the current term was coined by Dawkin. | 05:10 |
| joshcryer | Dawkins rther | 05:10 |
| joshcryer | rather rather | 05:10 |
| joshcryer | Heh | 05:10 |
| uniqanomaly | yes, it was, in 1976 | 05:10 |
| kanzure | yes so what? i just wanted to show the curve over the history of the web | 05:11 |
| kanzure | dawkins isn't as annoying about the word | 05:11 |
| joshcryer | what | 05:12 |
| uniqanomaly | kanzure: i bet MEMES havent eaten his brain like my | 05:12 |
| joshcryer | How is anyone being annoying about the word? | 05:12 |
| uniqanomaly | joshcryer: it's those MEMES you know | 05:13 |
| uniqanomaly | ok, no trolling | 05:13 |
| uniqanomaly | kanzure: no offence | 05:13 |
| uniqanomaly | I haven't made it look overly dramatic have I? | 05:19 |
| fenn | dawkins made me do it | 06:15 |
| fenn | ps this is neat http://ngrams.googlelabs.com/ | 06:16 |
| fenn | http://ngrams.googlelabs.com/graph?content=meme&year_start=1800&year_end=2000&corpus=0&smoothing=3 | 06:16 |
| fenn | odd that there's a spike in ~1903 http://ngrams.googlelabs.com/graph?content=nano,+nanotech,+nanotechnology&year_start=1800&year_end=2000&corpus=0&smoothing=3 | 06:19 |
| * fenn finishes reading the backlog and goes away | 06:21 | |
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| kanzure | fenn: foresight institute claims that it is responsible for popularizing the word 'nanotechnology' | 07:18 |
| kanzure | i dunno how to verify this | 07:18 |
| kanzure | although the curves seem to match the launch of foresight institute | 07:19 |
| kanzure | http://community.livejournal.com/ru_transhuman/296223.html | 07:52 |
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| kanzure | "Facebook, PayPal tycoon embraces sci-fi future" http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/12/25/AR2010122501062.html | 09:49 |
| kanzure | hmm what is marcus wolhsen doing writing that? | 09:49 |
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| kanzure | haha "Maybe that was a discovery blown out of proportion, but the finding that human brain synapses have more than two states seriously impacts the trajectory of the singularity. No?" | 10:24 |
| kanzure | i'm not sure why he thought a synapse had only two finite states | 10:24 |
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| kanzure | has anyone been able to figure out who brian degger is or what his thing is | 10:37 |
| kanzure | every time i've tried to talk with him he's been drunk beyond all belief | 10:37 |
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| archels | http://www.qedcon.org/ | 11:20 |
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| kanzure | hi timschmidt | 11:33 |
| timschmidt | howdy | 11:33 |
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| kanzure | hi phryk | 12:08 |
| phryk | heya kanzure | 12:12 |
| phryk | wasn't i in this channel before? | 12:12 |
| phryk | mhh apparently not, but then how come i joined? o_O | 12:13 |
| archels | Oh no, have we lost our identity? | 12:14 |
| kanzure | phryk: #hplusroadmap now redirects to ##hplusroadmap | 12:24 |
| phryk | aaaah | 12:25 |
| phryk | that makes sense | 12:25 |
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| metafire | Is this the only (permanent) H+ IRC chatroom btw? | 13:17 |
| kanzure | yes | 13:18 |
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| archels | no, there's #transhumanism on Dalnet, but sadly there isn't a great deal of activity. | 13:30 |
| kanzure | are there logs | 13:37 |
| kanzure | http://transhumanist.org/index.html | 13:43 |
| archels | I have my personal logs | 13:43 |
| kanzure | http://transhumanist.org/index.php~ not encouraging.. | 13:44 |
| kanzure | archels: i'd appreciate anything you've got | 13:44 |
| archels | Any command-line ninjas want to give me the right grep invoke to eliminate joins/parts? | 13:46 |
| kanzure | grep -V ^join | 13:58 |
| kanzure | or you could sed g/d those | 13:58 |
| kanzure | sed '/pattern/d' | 13:59 |
| phryk | packing is way more fun when you are not tired as hell :( | 14:08 |
| phryk | do i throw those rfid readers into my reporter back or into the seasack? questions my world is revolving around currently :/ | 14:08 |
| phryk | s/back/bag/ | 14:08 |
| kanzure | it's a packing optizing problem.. this is what years of tetris have been leading up to | 14:09 |
| kanzure | *optimizing | 14:09 |
| phryk | i got a seasack so i can just cram all the stuff in there and not care | 14:09 |
| kanzure | hm.. http://anthong.com/projects/reprap.html | 14:10 |
| phryk | You are thinking about playing tetris with that thing, aren't you? | 14:10 |
| phryk | Uh… WHy is that just an image? | 14:11 |
| kanzure | what? | 14:11 |
| kanzure | i have no idea | 14:11 |
| kanzure | it looks awful anyway | 14:11 |
| phryk | Ya | 14:12 |
| phryk | Last year the results of those things weren't quite… satisfactory | 14:12 |
| phryk | I'm hoping to see some new stuff in the next few days :) | 14:12 |
| kanzure | that guy (anthong.com) wants to help on gitduino.com | 14:13 |
| kanzure | but he's clearly not up to it | 14:13 |
| phryk | How do you know that? | 14:14 |
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| phryk | Have seen him do that before? | 14:15 |
| phryk | hi jennifer2 | 14:15 |
| jennifer2 | hi | 14:15 |
| kanzure | phryk: look at that web page | 14:15 |
| kanzure | it's a giant image | 14:15 |
| kanzure | and even the contents of the image sucks | 14:15 |
| kanzure | maybe i'm just angry it took me 20sec to load that | 14:15 |
| phryk | yes it's an image… | 14:15 |
| kanzure | yes but it's an awful web design | 14:16 |
| phryk | but seeing that theres an vimeo screenshot on there and no clickable areas, I'd say it's just a design… | 14:16 |
| phryk | not meant to be the actual page | 14:16 |
| kanzure | i know, it's meant to be an example of what he wants to make | 14:16 |
| kanzure | but it sucks | 14:16 |
| phryk | if it is, then someone needs to shoot that guy | 14:16 |
| kanzure | the vimeo thing is from the current reprap.org page i'm sure | 14:17 |
| phryk | yep | 14:21 |
| phryk | the text too, i think | 14:21 |
| kanzure | london hackspace, bugs' talk on biohacking http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9W5ZshwteUw | 14:26 |
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| kanzure | "At 150 WPM, notes Cook, the world's fastest typist was still only 10x faster than Stephen Hawking." | 14:57 |
| kanzure | shit | 14:57 |
| phryk | im going to sleep | 14:58 |
| phryk | bye | 14:58 |
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| delinquentme | kanzure, you around ?? im looking for a bunch of freed nature research journals | 16:14 |
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| kanzure | so this is what philippe does? http://virtualoffices.e-spaces.com/philippevannedervelde.html | 16:16 |
| kanzure | delinquentme: what do you need | 16:16 |
| kanzure | if you have a particular paper from nature you want, i probably have it | 16:16 |
| kanzure | unless it was published post-2008, in which case it might take me a while to get it (20min on this silly connection.. or give me a few hours to get back home) | 16:16 |
| delinquentme | kanzure, welll i was looking to nokogiri through them all and index them | 16:16 |
| delinquentme | specifically the methods papers | 16:17 |
| delinquentme | would you have them in plaintext? | 16:17 |
| kanzure | nokogiri? | 16:17 |
| delinquentme | its a ruby app that scrapes .. but also searches | 16:18 |
| kanzure | ok. | 16:18 |
| delinquentme | .. unless you'd happen to already have something like a "tag cloud" for these papers | 16:18 |
| kanzure | i do not have plaintext of any of that | 16:18 |
| kanzure | just pdfs | 16:18 |
| delinquentme | fooey | 16:18 |
| delinquentme | though there are a few pubmed ones which the PDf would be awesome | 16:19 |
| delinquentme | any of those? | 16:19 |
| kanzure | which papers specifically do you want | 16:21 |
| kanzure | please either give me the doi number or the link to the nature.com blocked-access page | 16:22 |
| delinquentme | kanzure, 14555960, 10393704, 3083280, 10706607, 16990385, 15256042, 15607432. | 16:25 |
| delinquentme | those are pubmed #s | 16:25 |
| kanzure | eek | 16:26 |
| kanzure | ok. well. bug me in either a few hours or tomorrow, when i'll be able to fetch those | 16:26 |
| delinquentme | i could email you links too | 16:26 |
| delinquentme | if that would be easier | 16:26 |
| kanzure | that would be. | 16:29 |
| delinquentme | you wanna PM me your email? | 16:30 |
| kanzure | kanzure@gmmmail.com | 16:31 |
| kanzure | kanzure@gmail.com | 16:31 |
| delinquentme | cool stuff kanzure ill shoot you that sometime tomorrow :D thanks a ton man | 16:36 |
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| kanzure | hi pasky_ | 16:39 |
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| joshcryer | Late to comment but the synapse statement = lawlz. It's called memristors. We will haz rudimentary rat brains in the next 5 years, if anything the singularity is pushed up a bit from Kurzweil's projection. | 16:54 |
| joshcryer | (Kurzweil assumes digital computing, not synapse computing.) | 16:55 |
| kanzure | if you are looking for "X computing" then why aren't you hyping up "quantum computing" and dwave? | 16:56 |
| kanzure | *or dwave | 16:56 |
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| joshcryer | Hadn't heard of dwave before, but I am not too optimistic about quantum computers, as far as running systems I think memristors are ahead, and intelligence doesn't require BQP as far as we know (I also don't buy into the quantum soul concept one anti-AI guy used to spout, Penrose?). | 17:07 |
| joshcryer | (Yeah, Penrose. *shudder*) | 17:09 |
| joshcryer | Jeri's A to Z of electronics, Ampre: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QY2PJlbTsVg | 17:18 |
| joshcryer | So much love for that gal. | 17:18 |
| kanzure | "as far as running systems" you might want to double check some of that | 17:20 |
| joshcryer | Let me know when you can print a quantum chip. | 17:27 |
| kanzure | what happened to pho0rque | 17:29 |
| kanzure | kinda dead http://hackermed.com/ | 17:31 |
| kanzure | hm 'reason'/fightaging.org was on there http://hackermed.com/user/20 | 17:32 |
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| joshcryer | So, seasteading is so much more awesome now that I (late to the party) learn that black smokers are treasure troves of minerals. | 18:41 |
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| Jappe2 | i come in peace | 20:19 |
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| kanzure | gitdui.no? | 20:32 |
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| kanzure | timschmidt: so, skdb-related stuff | 20:38 |
| kanzure | or that long email thread going around | 20:38 |
| timschmidt | right. minimal distribution | 20:38 |
| kanzure | i think sebastien got eager and wanted to bring everyone in ;) | 20:38 |
| timschmidt | :) | 20:38 |
| kanzure | but unfortunately i don't trust those other developers | 20:38 |
| timschmidt | he does that | 20:38 |
| kanzure | i mean look at what the fuck they did to reprap's svn repo | 20:38 |
| timschmidt | right | 20:38 |
| kanzure | righto, so a minimal distribution of hardware packages | 20:39 |
| kanzure | as i was saying your stuff is gold for packaging :) | 20:39 |
| kanzure | "HERE ARE THE SCAD SCRIPTS" | 20:39 |
| timschmidt | the repsnapper repo was the same way, thankfully, all the original developers disappeared, so it was an easy thing to come up with a quorum decision to fix it. | 20:39 |
| kanzure | "HERE ARE THE SKEINFORGE FILES" *done* | 20:39 |
| timschmidt | lead me to a spec, and I will package | 20:39 |
| kanzure | ok basically each package is just a git repo | 20:39 |
| kanzure | with a metadata file that we were calling 'metadata.yaml' | 20:40 |
| timschmidt | ok | 20:40 |
| kanzure | let's see if i can find an example.. | 20:40 |
| kanzure | some of it has to be made up as you go because each project is somewhat different | 20:40 |
| timschmidt | right, an example file with all fields present would be nice | 20:40 |
| kanzure | but the main things like author data and dependencies should be conserved across packages | 20:40 |
| * kanzure looks | 20:40 | |
| kanzure | fenn: where is this stuff | 20:40 |
| kanzure | oh here's the list of types of dependencies | 20:41 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/cgit/skdb/tree/doc/architecture | 20:41 |
| kanzure | timschmidt: here are some old example packages | 20:44 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/cgit/skdb/tree/packages?id=7c5d86b5e179849c6b208abbfaf9485fbc4c5f8c | 20:44 |
| kanzure | there is no written spec so this is a rough sketch | 20:44 |
| timschmidt | hrm | 20:44 |
| timschmidt | so writing a spec is a good todo item | 20:45 |
| kanzure | basically if you think of a better way to do something, you should do it | 20:45 |
| kanzure | and you should pester me or fenn to write a spec | 20:45 |
| kanzure | yes | 20:45 |
| kanzure | so, we were kind of mixing and matching standards here :/ | 20:45 |
| timschmidt | fair enough. | 20:45 |
| kanzure | so in each package there's metadata.yaml but also xyz.py which had a model for manipulaton and computations based on the model | 20:46 |
| kanzure | *manipulations | 20:46 |
| kanzure | the primary interesting thing is the metadata about the package | 20:46 |
| kanzure | this is an old spec that i ignroed: | 20:47 |
| kanzure | *ignored | 20:47 |
| timschmidt | I will check a metadata.yaml into the skeinosaur repo tonight | 20:47 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/cgit/skdb/tree/doc/proposals/autogenix-format-spec.txt | 20:47 |
| timschmidt | assuming I have the metadata done, what can today's skdb do for me with it? | 20:50 |
| joshcryer | *sigh* | 20:50 |
| timschmidt | :) | 20:50 |
| kanzure | timschmidt: well if you write lots of python classes and use the Part and Interface object from skdb/core/geom.py you can probably get it to tell you if two given skdb packages can connect together or not | 20:51 |
| timschmidt | the whole point of me shoving some of my hardware projects into skdb is to exercise it a bit... push the boundaries. In other words, I'm asking what needs testing | 20:51 |
| kanzure | and then visualize how :P | 20:51 |
| timschmidt | heh | 20:51 |
| kanzure | note that this has very little to do with "apt-get"-like functionality | 20:51 |
| timschmidt | right | 20:51 |
| kanzure | i don't think we ever tested parsable inventory and checking whether or not you have all of the dependencies | 20:51 |
| timschmidt | those would be features I would be very interested in | 20:52 |
| kanzure | so in other words, there's very little working right now | 20:52 |
| kanzure | because a lot of it is chicken-and-egg | 20:52 |
| kanzure | however! having gitduino.com very much eliminates part of the chicken and egg problem | 20:52 |
| timschmidt | as is always the case | 20:52 |
| kanzure | presumably i could mandate or secretly add in metadata.yaml files for each repo on gitduino | 20:52 |
| kanzure | but i'm not sure how to do this in a way that isn't lame yet | 20:53 |
| timschmidt | I see | 20:53 |
| kanzure | like.. have the system commit a metadata file separate from the authors? | 20:53 |
| kanzure | or should it just not do this at all? since it's kinda invasive | 20:53 |
| timschmidt | If it's to be done, I would do it immediately after repo creation, during the creation of a new project. | 20:53 |
| kanzure | yeah but what about people like you | 20:54 |
| kanzure | who already have repos | 20:54 |
| timschmidt | mention it in the documentation? | 20:54 |
| kanzure | haha disable their repo until they commit the file? | 20:54 |
| kanzure | or maybe i can just tell them to push -f to the repo with a metadata file already created for them | 20:54 |
| timschmidt | possibly | 20:54 |
| timschmidt | if skdb could reach inside my project's files, and produce a coherent BOM or the like, it would give me an immediately practical reason to use it | 20:57 |
| timschmidt | note: that may be a complicated thing to do, with parameterized scad files | 20:58 |
| kanzure | you mean inside your scad scripts? | 20:58 |
| kanzure | timschmidt: i'm not interested in "making skdb useful", i'm interested in open source hardware packaging (which is, i would argue, useful) | 20:58 |
| joshcryer | users can make incorrect metadata | 20:58 |
| kanzure | timschmidt: yeah i wouldn't trust your variable names or anyone else's in scad files | 20:59 |
| timschmidt | sure | 20:59 |
| timschmidt | and I sympathize with the "making skdb useful" sentiment. I'm just thinking of excuses to get me running it regularly | 20:59 |
| kanzure | oh, none- the utility is like zero if there's nobody else actively using it | 21:00 |
| kanzure | "none" was "there are no excuses to use it regularly" | 21:01 |
| kanzure | gitduino might be able to change some of this | 21:01 |
| timschmidt | :( | 21:01 |
| kanzure | and the reprap.org opportunity is super important | 21:01 |
| kanzure | although those other guys all seem to want to install semantic mediawiki and mediawiki-svn plugins | 21:01 |
| kanzure | which scares the crap out of me | 21:01 |
| kanzure | yes, it takes 5min to install a mediawiki plugin.. but uh. | 21:01 |
| timschmidt | mediawiki-svn would have me projectile vomiting onto the -dev mailing list | 21:02 |
| kanzure | anyway, on to more productive things- i dunno how to enforce a namespace for packages/hardware in dependencies when those packages don't exist yet (i.e., "average hammer") | 21:02 |
| kanzure | presently in metadata.yaml there's just a list of dependencies via unix name for the packages required | 21:02 |
| timschmidt | stupid answer? start packaging things like average hammers. | 21:03 |
| kanzure | where does that namespace come from? | 21:03 |
| kanzure | i mean how do i make that | 21:03 |
| timschmidt | make one up and use it until it's clear it doesn't work any longer? | 21:03 |
| kanzure | i can't possibly package *everything* because i just don't have enough time to write up CAD scripts for all that wonderful stuff | 21:03 |
| kanzure | so i think there has to be ghost/virtual/reference packages or something that don't actually work.. or something | 21:03 |
| kanzure | but then that defeats the whole purpose by poisoning the index | 21:04 |
| timschmidt | right. so someone needs to start packaging simple stuff | 21:04 |
| timschmidt | is there a list somewhere? wanted: these items | 21:04 |
| kanzure | is there a list.. yes actually | 21:05 |
| kanzure | this crap: | 21:05 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/cgit/skdb/tree/doc/BOMs/comparison/fablab.yaml | 21:05 |
| kanzure | also this stuff: | 21:05 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/cgit/skdb/tree/doc/BOMs/comparison/techshop.yaml | 21:05 |
| kanzure | and this: | 21:06 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/cgit/skdb/tree/doc/BOMs/comparison/emachineshop.yaml | 21:06 |
| timschmidt | ok, that's a start | 21:06 |
| timschmidt | now, what would your dream package look like? | 21:06 |
| timschmidt | obviously a fully fleshed out metadata.yaml | 21:06 |
| timschmidt | and... | 21:06 |
| kanzure | instructions | 21:07 |
| kanzure | also parsable instructions so i can have virtual agents run through the steps individually | 21:07 |
| kanzure | documentation | 21:07 |
| kanzure | unit tests | 21:07 |
| kanzure | extra code or wrapper software so i can manipulate the object, i.e. parametrically or check whether or not its interfaces are compatible with some other object | 21:08 |
| timschmidt | ok, I'll assume that at least some of that is already working with a few examples somewhere, but there's probably no documentation other than the code eh? | 21:09 |
| kanzure | i haven't figured out how to do some of that :) | 21:10 |
| timschmidt | :) | 21:10 |
| kanzure | like parsable instructions is really, really hard | 21:10 |
| timschmidt | right | 21:10 |
| kanzure | parametric stuff is hard when people only give you fucken STL | 21:10 |
| timschmidt | right. | 21:10 |
| * timschmidt says fuck them | 21:10 | |
| kanzure | there's also lots of units being used in those skdb example packages i showed you | 21:10 |
| timschmidt | a line has to be drawn somewhere | 21:10 |
| kanzure | practically, it's useful for checking whether or not two interfaces are dimensionally compatible | 21:11 |
| kanzure | or whether or not some force or pressure is within tolerance, etc. | 21:11 |
| kanzure | of course this is just a simple model of "within tolerance".. i.e. overlapping ranges.. | 21:11 |
| kanzure | my former advisor (matt campbell) had a student once doing a probabilistic model of interface matching | 21:12 |
| kanzure | but it needed more work before use in this context. | 21:12 |
| kanzure | (more, ah, conceptual work) | 21:12 |
| timschmidt | So let me ask this... I think there's utility to be had from even the simplest (and stupidest) implementation of the ideas here. Not much more than packager-filled-out-metadata and doxygen-style file mining abused for dependencies, BOM, grabbing the right versions of things, and not much more. | 21:14 |
| timschmidt | So... would you be opposed to working toward an skdb v0.1 proof-of-concept set of packages? | 21:15 |
| kanzure | i feel kind of stupid for not saying BOM at least once tonight so far | 21:15 |
| timschmidt | that do, perhaps 0.1% of what real-skdb _should_ do? | 21:15 |
| timschmidt | it'd give you some eggs to start hatching | 21:16 |
| kanzure | gitduino, hardware package spec, or small set of packages? | 21:16 |
| kanzure | i should note that there's a few packages there in that link (above) to that old tree of skdb.git | 21:16 |
| kanzure | there's also a few thousand that i imported from thingiverse | 21:16 |
| timschmidt | small set of packages - proof of concept - so we have some practical experience to start creation of a v0.1 package spec | 21:17 |
| kanzure | (but those thingiverse-downloaded packages are not online or easily accessible via the web at the moment) | 21:17 |
| kanzure | sounds reasonable to me :) | 21:17 |
| timschmidt | there's some very useful stuff already in MCAD | 21:18 |
| kanzure | linkz & notes plz | 21:18 |
| timschmidt | various size NEMA motors, bearings, bolts and screws, etc. | 21:18 |
| timschmidt | https://github.com/elmom/MCAD | 21:19 |
| kanzure | elmom: hi! | 21:19 |
| timschmidt | fairly obvious... screw.scad, motors.scad, etc. | 21:19 |
| kanzure | hrm i should be working on lolcad too | 21:21 |
| timschmidt | obviously, the apt-getting of stuff is a small part of skdb, but it's necessary groundwork. Have you talked to anyone with RPM / apt hacking experience? | 21:21 |
| kanzure | yes | 21:21 |
| kanzure | they usually say "oh hmm we should think more about architecture for you" and then don't | 21:21 |
| kanzure | jrayhawk: *ahem* | 21:21 |
| timschmidt | :( | 21:21 |
| kanzure | i think apt-get should be the central focus | 21:22 |
| jrayhawk | who what with the what now | 21:22 |
| kanzure | the point is that: you don't have this hardware | 21:22 |
| timschmidt | I'm thinking particularly because MCAD can provide a LOT of basic items to satisfy dependencies - all in one package. many-to-one and one-to-many relationships are often skipped over when thinking about dependency resolution | 21:22 |
| kanzure | and: i want to have this hardware | 21:22 |
| jrayhawk | I'LL ARCHITECT YOU | 21:23 |
| timschmidt | haha | 21:23 |
| kanzure | fenn: where are you | 21:23 |
| jrayhawk | do you have a plan written down about gitduino yet somewhere | 21:24 |
| timschmidt | rpm and apt already have this shit figured out. we need to steal their code | 21:24 |
| kanzure | jrayhawk: no, what would be in this plan? | 21:24 |
| kanzure | jrayhawk: i do have plans but i don't know what you want to hear | 21:24 |
| kanzure | timschmidt: no not really | 21:24 |
| kanzure | timschmidt: apt is way, way too built into debian | 21:24 |
| timschmidt | figuratively | 21:24 |
| kanzure | and not really abstracted from this | 21:24 |
| jrayhawk | like things i can potentially contribute to | 21:24 |
| kanzure | and graph theory for dependency resolution is simple | 21:24 |
| kanzure | jrayhawk: oh, uhh | 21:25 |
| timschmidt | kanzure: if you say so | 21:25 |
| kanzure | timschmidt: well i've checked :/ | 21:25 |
| kanzure | it's kinda my job but i might be wrong | 21:25 |
| timschmidt | :) | 21:25 |
| kanzure | there was this nice abstracted package manager i saw at one point | 21:25 |
| kanzure | xpm? | 21:25 |
| kanzure | jrayhawk: i hope you don't hate me for using django on top of piny | 21:25 |
| jrayhawk | maybe a little | 21:25 |
| kanzure | but you already hated me a little so it's cool | 21:26 |
| kanzure | actually my next todo item for today/tomorrow is images/rendering on post-update hooks on server-side | 21:26 |
| kanzure | but no i have no lengthy document at the moment with little items for things that need to be done | 21:26 |
| timschmidt | kanzure: let me ask you this: if I have a folder full of skdb packages (what does that mean? git repos with metadata.yamls, but can they be wrapped in archive files?), and in this imaginary world, the packages make sense, can I ask skdb to grab me all the packages I need for X and it will dump them in another folder somewhere else? | 21:27 |
| kanzure | by coincidence, timschmidt, there's a todo list innnnnn skdb.ggggit somewherreeee | 21:27 |
| jrayhawk | oh god he's slurring words | 21:27 |
| jrayhawk | THIS MAN IS HAVING A SEIZURE | 21:27 |
| kanzure | timschmidt: i'd prrfer them to not be wrappped in archivee files unless they are beeing immmediaately mooved :/ | 21:28 |
| jrayhawk | INDUCED BY MAGIC PONIES | 21:28 |
| kanzure | timschmidt: i think it waas doinng dependency resolution andd fetching at onee pointt but the python is really simple for that (it was soemthing like 10 lines) so it's easy to eyeball whether or not that's there in clients/ under skdb.git | 21:28 |
| timschmidt | hmm | 21:29 |
| kanzure | it's been like six or seven months since i've touched this codebase | 21:29 |
| kanzure | re-implementing the client might be nice at some point.. since it's not too spectacular at the moment | 21:29 |
| timschmidt | dependency resolution and fetching are required for me to start packaging simple stuff :P | 21:29 |
| kanzure | really? | 21:29 |
| kanzure | but if there are no packages how could that be? | 21:29 |
| timschmidt | I need to test the packages I make somehow | 21:29 |
| kanzure | oh sure. | 21:29 |
| timschmidt | ideally that would be by munging them with skdb | 21:30 |
| timschmidt | in ways that resemble things you might normally do with packages | 21:30 |
| timschmidt | like resolving dependencies | 21:30 |
| timschmidt | and fetching :P | 21:30 |
| kanzure | timschmidt: i'm going to fall asleep soon | 21:30 |
| kanzure | i think you should give me a list of 10 things you'd like to package, especially things with scad scripts out there already | 21:31 |
| timschmidt | can do | 21:31 |
| kanzure | also you should include in this email a complaint about there not being a useful package resolver or apt-get-like-fetcher-utility | 21:31 |
| kanzure | and then finally the suggestion that we writeup this experience into a spec in the end | 21:31 |
| timschmidt | ok | 21:32 |
| kanzure | please email kanzure@gmail.com, fenn@sdf.lonestar.org, openmanufacturing@googlegroups.com | 21:32 |
| kanzure | jrayhawk: do you want in on that | 21:32 |
| kanzure | on that email i mean | 21:32 |
| kanzure | timschmidt: i know it's weird for me to ask for an email about this | 21:32 |
| kanzure | but i'm probably drunk from the honey on the ham i ate tonight | 21:32 |
| timschmidt | no problem. it's easier to keep track of | 21:32 |
| jrayhawk | We should have a mailing list for this | 21:32 |
| kanzure | jrayhawk: openmanufacturing is sort of that mailing list, but it's a catch-all | 21:32 |
| jrayhawk | Yeah. | 21:32 |
| kanzure | there's also reprap-users, reprap-dev, library-gnomes (reprap.org) | 21:32 |
| kanzure | do i need a new one? | 21:32 |
| kanzure | (there's also a list for thingiverse, but they are uninterested in skdb-related-things) | 21:33 |
| jrayhawk | Probably. The only semi-useful mailing list system I have under me at the moment is rather spam-prone, so I don't really have a way out yet. | 21:33 |
| jrayhawk | Hopefully I'll be able to get something up once we get new hardware in | 21:33 |
| kanzure | everyone just sets up google groups these days :/ | 21:33 |
| kanzure | since nobody can run mail servers that actually get paaast gmail spam filtters | 21:34 |
| timschmidt | indeed | 21:34 |
| kanzure | (wta-ttalk@@transhuumanissm.org, huumanitty+'s main mailing list, regularly is blocked from everything, so half of the members don't get discussion, or something) | 21:34 |
| kanzure | blah keyboard | 21:34 |
| kanzure | jrayhawk: speaking of which i dunno if you ever poked aruond nanoengineer-dev (on google groups) for nanoengineer.git hosted on gnusha | 21:41 |
| kanzure | supposedly i'm either putting bugzilla up on gnusha or converting the old bugzilla db to something sane | 21:41 |
| kanzure | i dunno what to do about that stuff so advice would be hot | 21:41 |
| kanzure | jules seems very opposed to bugzilla, and based on my experiences with bugzilla 1.x he's probably right | 21:42 |
| timschmidt | no chance of infiltrating the bugs everywhere dev team and imposing stable releases? | 21:42 |
| kanzure | the maintainer/project lead seemed fairly receptive to my email inquiries | 21:44 |
| kanzure | um. it's possible, i think | 21:44 |
| kanzure | much much easier than infiltrating reprap to do anything useful | 21:44 |
| timschmidt | lol | 21:44 |
| timschmidt | I feel your pain | 21:44 |
| kanzure | timschmidt: did you end up calling your place.. hacksmiths? | 21:46 |
| kanzure | i forget | 21:46 |
| timschmidt | yes, though I'm no longer in Grand Rapids - just outside of lansing now. hacksmiths is being managed by a friend | 21:46 |
| timschmidt | I moved a little less than a year ago | 21:48 |
| jrayhawk | I dunno, I'm partial to Ikiwiki+rss2email | 21:51 |
| jrayhawk | http://piny.be/piny-code/tag/jrayhawk/ | 21:56 |
| jrayhawk | plus http://piny.be/piny-code/docs/issues/ | 21:56 |
| timschmidt | kanzure: consider yourself mailed | 22:01 |
| kanzure | i see it, thank you | 22:02 |
| kanzure | thank you for filing a complaint, your issue will be processed in the order in which it was received :P | 22:02 |
| timschmidt | :) | 22:03 |
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