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| ybit | </noise> | 01:39 |
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| Utopiah | "ranking/scoring algorithms for social .. site.. stuff" , nop but a safe one could be the presence of more knowledgeable peers already present on it | 03:55 |
| kanzure | the correct way to bicycle http://i28.tinypic.com/29l1ekh.jpg | 05:10 |
| kanzure | <3 it's 7am and for some reason all these russian transhumanists are emailing me about "nanoengineer vorkcamp" starting 2 hours ago and why wasn't i there | 05:13 |
| kanzure | more fun in russian: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/Инженерия органов и тканей - состояние и перспективы.ppt | 05:21 |
| kanzure | "Yes, but the reason the US machines were able to take off is because the European mills were all destroyed or put out of business by the people who worked, owned, or invested in the manually run non-industrialized mills." | 05:30 |
| kanzure | "If the Europeans hadn't so soundly rejected the new processes then industry in the US would have floundered by being unable to produce goods at competitive prices." | 05:31 |
| kanzure | "Today we remember these angry Europeans -- who are infamous for storming the new mills and breaking the machines -- for the name of one of the most outspoken among them: George Ludd. Yes, they were the Luddites." | 05:31 |
| kanzure | "Yes, the plans were stolen away to the US, but they were not being used in Europe because the technology was socially unacceptable!" | 05:31 |
| kanzure | "I'm pretty sure that machines were used in Europe, the Luddites were not successful. Although they had the right intentions: machinery lowered the pay and job security of the workers for the benefit of the mill owners." | 05:31 |
| uniqanomaly | HAPPY NEW YEAR everyone! | 05:33 |
| kanzure | china's restricted foreign investment industries http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2006-11/17/content_735892.htm | 05:40 |
| kanzure | another one: http://www.xing.com/net/chinesebusinessclub/foreign-investment-policy-509115/catalogue-of-prohibited-foreign-investment-industries-29826692/ | 05:41 |
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| uniqanomaly | chinese are sealing off as much as they can | 05:54 |
| uniqanomaly | i don't get it | 05:54 |
| uniqanomaly | well, protection of their own industries | 05:55 |
| uniqanomaly | :> | 05:55 |
| uniqanomaly | i guess they will regulate how many dreams per night person can have, when they will have technology for that ... | 05:56 |
| Utopiah | is that original? | 06:04 |
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| kanzure | original? | 06:17 |
| Utopiah | when one gains financial and political weight to legiferate in order to give an advantage to its own industry sector, I would tend to think that every raising country did as such | 06:21 |
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| Lukas_ | Good morning | 06:51 |
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| kanzure | Lukas_: if you care about backlogs http://gnusha.org/logs/2011-01-01.log | 06:54 |
| Lukas_ | Thank you | 06:54 |
| Lukas_ | I have independently come to the conclusion that Lepht is insane | 06:55 |
| kanzure | why is that | 06:55 |
| Lukas_ | I saw a few videos of her procedures. I am sure that there is a safer way to do it | 06:56 |
| Lukas_ | I understand how it is to be 'financially challenged', and to improv | 06:56 |
| Lukas_ | but this seems a bit over the top | 06:56 |
| kanzure | yes i imagine that's why it got on wired.com.. shock value :) | 06:58 |
| Lukas_ | yup | 06:58 |
| Lukas_ | but I admire her gusto | 06:58 |
| Lukas_ | very few people would be willing to literally 'give their right arm' in order to expand their senses | 06:59 |
| kanzure | have you asked? | 06:59 |
| kanzure | Citizen Science Genomics as a Model for Crowdsourced Preventive Medicine Research http://www.jopm.org/evidence/research/2010/12/23/citizen-science-genomics-as-a-model-for-crowdsourced-preventive-medicine-research/http://www.jopm.org/evidence/research/2010/12/23/citizen-science-genomics-as-a-model-for-crowdsourced-preventive-medicine-research/ | 07:01 |
| kanzure | er | 07:01 |
| kanzure | http://www.jopm.org/evidence/research/2010/12/23/citizen-science-genomics-as-a-model-for-crowdsourced-preventive-medicine-research/ | 07:01 |
| kanzure | just one link :) | 07:01 |
| kanzure | authors: Melanie Swan, Kristina Hathaway, Chris Hogg, Raymond McCauley & Aaron Vollrath | 07:01 |
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| kanzure | hm.. i recognize the names but kristina, chris and aaron don't talk with me much | 07:02 |
| Lukas_ | heh | 07:02 |
| Lukas_ | thanks for the link | 07:02 |
| kanzure | "We would like to acknowledge Takashi Kido and William Reinhardt for sharing their genotypic and phenotypic data, and many individuals who shared their genetic data for research purposes including David Orban, Geoffrey Shmigelsky, Eri Gentry, Todd Huffman, Fadi Bishara, Richard Leis, Jr., Mark Even Jensen, Misha Angrist," | 07:03 |
| kanzure | i'm surprised to see david orban and richard leis listed there | 07:03 |
| uniqanomaly | "crowdsourced preventive medicine" sounds funny in time when most herbs are getting illegal in US & EU | 07:04 |
| Lukas_ | I like this type of citizen science | 07:05 |
| Lukas_ | less blood and cutting going on | 07:05 |
| kanzure | this is not "diy human enhancement" | 07:08 |
| Lukas_ | I know | 07:09 |
| Lukas_ | still citizen science (partially) | 07:09 |
| Lukas_ | and it could yield lots of useful data | 07:10 |
| uniqanomaly | http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/12/30/AR2010123001229.html | 07:42 |
| uniqanomaly | this is totally retarded | 07:42 |
| uniqanomaly | "BEIJING -- China is going after Internet phone services such as Skype in a move to protect the country's state-owned telephone companies, causing alarm among consumers who rely on cheap Internet calls. " | 07:42 |
| Lukas_ | -__- | 07:45 |
| Lukas_ | should we really be surprised? | 07:45 |
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| Lukas_ | Good morning delinqentme | 07:54 |
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| Lukas_ | Good morning phreedom | 08:07 |
| phreedom | hi :) | 08:08 |
| delinquentme | hey kanzure | 08:11 |
| delinquentme | you around homeslice? | 08:11 |
| delinquentme | makerbot anyone :D? | 08:12 |
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| archels | http://www.amazon.com/Immortality-Edge-Realize-Telomeres-Healthier/dp/0470873906 | 11:02 |
| archels | Worth buying? The suggestion is apparently that we can influence the length of our telomeres via diet/exercise/etc. | 11:03 |
| kanzure | i can send you a whole slew of emails arguing about whether or not that book is worth your time | 11:04 |
| kanzure | if i had your email address | 11:04 |
| archels | How about the conclusion? ;) | 11:05 |
| kanzure | i haven't read all 50 of these | 11:07 |
| kanzure | aubrey/fahy going back and forth like 20 times | 11:07 |
| archels | ah, yes I would like to read that. | 11:07 |
| archels | pming email address | 11:07 |
| kanzure | anyway, i'm having a brainfart at the moment.. | 11:07 |
| kanzure | there are three "big names" in research in boston that i keep running into | 11:08 |
| kanzure | george church, george whitesides, and what's the other? | 11:08 |
| kanzure | i'm not thinking of ed boyden :) | 11:09 |
| kanzure | church's contemporary.. i guess is venter? | 11:09 |
| kanzure | but venter is not in boston | 11:09 |
| kanzure | archels: sent | 11:12 |
| archels | received, thank you | 11:13 |
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| kanzure | wow why does hplusmagazine.com host all of its images on imageshack? | 11:19 |
| delinquentme | ^ ghetto | 11:19 |
| delinquentme | kanzure :D makerbot much? | 11:19 |
| kanzure | i don't have one if that's what you're asking | 11:19 |
| delinquentme | can you talk intelligently about how it places the moving platform? | 11:21 |
| delinquentme | im assuming it would be the same manner in which a printer works.. | 11:21 |
| kanzure | no, i forget whether it's using servos or steppers | 11:22 |
| delinquentme | is it as simple as the step motor gets a variable and it locates itself to that variable? | 11:22 |
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| Lukas_ | Does anyone here know python? | 11:30 |
| kanzure | yes | 11:31 |
| kanzure | since you said the other day you don't do any programming i suggest http://trypython.org/ | 11:31 |
| kanzure | although http://tryruby.org/ holds your hand more :x | 11:31 |
| kanzure | there's also #python with lots of helpful people | 11:32 |
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| Lukas_ | Thanks | 11:33 |
| Lukas_ | I am in the process of learning now | 11:33 |
| Lukas_ | it is ... | 11:34 |
| Lukas_ | unique | 11:34 |
| kanzure | no, it is simple. just make sure you have an interpreter open so you can test things out quickly. | 11:34 |
| kanzure | a little overview of the russian transhumanist movement (rtm/rtd): | 11:35 |
| kanzure | http://hplusmagazine.com/editors-blog/russian-transhumanists-fighting-stop-bad-legislation | 11:35 |
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| Lukas_ | heh | 11:40 |
| Lukas_ | If Russia succeeds with this ban they'll only retard their growth | 11:40 |
| Lukas_ | The interpreter is a great help | 11:44 |
| kanzure | danila speaks/writes english | 11:44 |
| kanzure | i don't think he uses an interpreter | 11:44 |
| Lukas_ | sorry, I meant for programming | 11:47 |
| Lukas_ | I wasn't paying attention to my previous post | 11:47 |
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| kanzure | hi Tarvis | 11:48 |
| Tarvis | Hello | 11:49 |
| kanzure | today's backlog: http://gnusha.org/logs/2011-01-01.log | 11:49 |
| Tarvis | Thank you | 11:49 |
| AlonzoTG | om | 12:06 |
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| kanzure | hi AlonzoTG | 12:09 |
| AlonzoTG | after reading a ton of e-mail today, now I'm watching Evtv.me | 12:09 |
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| Lukas_ | Internet phail | 12:27 |
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| Lukas_ | Does anyone happen to live in Chicago? | 12:44 |
| AlonzoTG | bak | 12:50 |
| kanzure | http://www.bloggingthesingularity.com/2011/01/01/nasa-scientist-publishes-colonizing-the-red-planet-a-how-to-guide/ | 13:04 |
| AlonzoTG | lemme get this straight, | 13:04 |
| AlonzoTG | In the middle of a discussion about how many M-brains we should build, I am accused of having a "conspiracy theory" about other transhumanists conspiring to prevent me from having a place to enjoy my cyberneticaly enhanced body? | 13:05 |
| kanzure | no you're accused of bullshitting | 13:06 |
| kanzure | i've been reading your emails for quite a while now. | 13:06 |
| AlonzoTG | Okay. | 13:06 |
| kanzure | i'd love to complain about this.. but later. bbl | 13:06 |
| AlonzoTG | Few people bother to point to factual errors I make. | 13:07 |
| kanzure | factual error #1: computronium does not exist | 13:07 |
| AlonzoTG | It exists in a weak form. You may or may not choose to call it computronium proper. | 13:07 |
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| kanzure | hi Sneakthief | 13:07 |
| Sneakthief | Good morning. | 13:08 |
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| Lukas_ | Thanks for the link | 13:13 |
| Lukas_ | I find it strange tha a guide was written on colonizing Mars though no human has ever set foot on the planet | 13:19 |
| archels | kanzure: Interesting read, although I didn't see any emails by De Grey. Looks like a purchase might be worthwhile. I saw a mention of ALCAR and NAC supplements, which I've heard about before but never really got into very deeply. Maybe the book will save me scouring the web for info on those. :) | 13:23 |
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| kanzure | oh de grey did other emails | 13:34 |
| AlonzoTG | . | 13:34 |
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| Lukas_ | Was there another link that I missed? | 13:38 |
| AlonzoTG | N | 13:38 |
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| joshcryer | AlonzoTG, link to the drama about people calling you on a supposed conspiracy?? | 13:54 |
| Lukas_ | I too would like to see this | 13:55 |
| * joshcryer assumes some mailing list | 13:56 | |
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| AlonzoTG | (14:23:21) kanzure: but leave your computronium conspiracy theories out of it | 14:06 |
| eridu | I noticed Wired seemed to misgender Anonym | 14:17 |
| joshcryer | Reread yesterdays log. | 14:18 |
| joshcryer | Could be that kanzure was jumping the gun. | 14:18 |
| joshcryer | QuantumG's first 2011 blog post: "Let's do Mars without Super Heavy. Oh shit, Super Heavy is better." >:P | 14:22 |
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| Lukas_ | I've inherited a few years worth of old electronics | 14:42 |
| Lukas_ | and I've got no clue what to do with them | 14:43 |
| Lukas_ | suggestions? | 14:43 |
| AlonzoTG | Whatchagot? | 14:43 |
| AlonzoTG | I'm using a 50 year old amplifier as the L and R of my home theater system! =P | 14:43 |
| Lukas_ | wires, a computer monitor, and old PS2 controllers | 14:45 |
| Lukas_ | mostly | 14:45 |
| AlonzoTG | hmm... | 14:45 |
| Lukas_ | I was thinking of extracting the magnets, but I am not sure what I'd do with it | 14:46 |
| joshcryer | Whenever I see a speaker out by the garbage I take out my multitool and extract the battery, haha. | 14:48 |
| joshcryer | s/battery/magnet | 14:48 |
| joshcryer | why did I write battery? | 14:48 |
| joshcryer | :P | 14:48 |
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| Lukas_ | Is anyone here in college? | 15:21 |
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| Lukas_ | Hullo travis | 16:37 |
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| Lukas_ | does anyone have any decent literature on self experimentation? | 17:04 |
| joshcryer | Questioning your sexuality? j/k | 17:07 |
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| Lukas_ | XD | 17:09 |
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| Lukas_ | no, I am 100% male | 17:10 |
| QuantumG | joshcryer: define 'better' | 17:10 |
| QuantumG | the grass is always greener | 17:10 |
| Lukas_ | ?_? | 17:11 |
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| QuantumG | it was in reply to "Super Heavy is better" | 17:13 |
| joshcryer | I tease QuantumG. | 17:14 |
| joshcryer | I want to see numbers on refurbished first stages. | 17:15 |
| joshcryer | Sadly we won't see those numbers (assuming they can do it) for years yet. | 17:15 |
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| QuantumG | using Falcon 9 it's 17 stages you have to dock together. | 17:19 |
| QuantumG | $952M per 30t throw (plus the flights to actually get the payload up there) | 17:20 |
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| joshcryer | This is still within the range of any of NASA's Mars estimates. | 17:21 |
| joshcryer | It's also a sucide mission. | 17:21 |
| QuantumG | that's what Mars Direct is | 17:21 |
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| joshcryer | Yeah true. | 17:22 |
| QuantumG | I didn't invent the 30t to Mars Transfer requirement, I'm just saying how to do it with (mostly) existing boosters. | 17:22 |
| QuantumG | personally, I think you could make do with 10t to Mars Transfer | 17:22 |
| QuantumG | so long as you're happy getting to the surface of Mars, looking around for a while, then dying there, it's fine. | 17:23 |
| QuantumG | it'll only cost you $400M in launch costs. | 17:24 |
| joshcryer | That's an awful lot of money to spend to kill yourself though. | 17:24 |
| joshcryer | A hundred or so million more and you can send supplies to retire there. | 17:24 |
| joshcryer | You'd be in a can the rest of your life though. | 17:24 |
| QuantumG | no, ya can't. | 17:24 |
| QuantumG | maybe if you had some means to grow food you could I suppose | 17:25 |
| QuantumG | otherwise you need about 2500kg per year per person. | 17:26 |
| joshcryer | Hmm, you're right. | 17:27 |
| Lukas_ | aeroponics systems? | 17:27 |
| joshcryer | I calculated 20 tonnes of MREs for 30 years and decided that you'd be better off with greenhouses. | 17:28 |
| QuantumG | a machine that can pull oxygen (and argon or nitrogen) from the Mars atmosphere? sure, I can believe that. A regenerative way to scrub CO2? sure, I can believe that. A light weight way to grow food forever.. easy except for the "light weight" part. | 17:29 |
| joshcryer | You're assuming 75 tonnes for 30 years though, I think that's a wee bit high. Is that also oxygen consumables etc? | 17:29 |
| QuantumG | that said, genetically engineered crops that will happily grow on the surface of Mars.. I think it could be done. | 17:30 |
| Lukas_ | I'd be much easier to streamline our own biochemistry IMO | 17:31 |
| QuantumG | pfft.. then no-one will care | 17:31 |
| QuantumG | might as well send monkeys to live on Mars | 17:31 |
| joshcryer | You could theoretically live off of vitamins and some sort of protein algae growing thingy. | 17:31 |
| joshcryer | It'd be nasty but you'd live. | 17:31 |
| QuantumG | we're humans, we're chauvinistic, get used to it. | 17:32 |
| joshcryer | In a tin can. | 17:32 |
| QuantumG | 6424kg / year / person with no ISRU | 17:32 |
| joshcryer | And in one reply you showed why ISRU is necessary. | 17:32 |
| joshcryer | :P | 17:32 |
| QuantumG | you could do better with some ISS technology.. and even better with some closed loop lifesupport. | 17:33 |
| joshcryer | Doesn't need to be totally closed Mars has resources. | 17:33 |
| QuantumG | but the Mars atmosphere is there, so use it | 17:33 |
| joshcryer | No need to recycle water if it's too energy intensive. | 17:33 |
| QuantumG | yeah, jumpboy did some analysis | 17:34 |
| joshcryer | this made me lol, just read it: http://singularityhub.com/2010/12/15/a-robot-stole-my-job-automation-in-the-recession/ | 17:34 |
| joshcryer | Yeah I'm looking forward to his complete analysis, he has a lot (almost a decades worth) of forum posts to go by. | 17:34 |
| joshcryer | I have bad ideas, obviously. | 17:34 |
| Lukas_ | I hate to kill the Mars excitement, but I think a space habitat is more efficient | 17:35 |
| QuantumG | that's irrelevant.. some people want to go to Mars and they hold stupid opinions that must be crushed. | 17:35 |
| joshcryer | Eh, we'll rid ourselves of Mars eventually, but until then, and as long as we're human, it doesn't hurt to fantasize. :P | 17:36 |
| QuantumG | if you want to talk them out of their malignant moronosity you have to flatter their surface-lust. | 17:36 |
| joshcryer | We're in a channel that invariably leads to "everyone will live in a virtual universe, end." | 17:37 |
| joshcryer | Which reminds me, Iain Banks finally addressed his main flaw about "death." | 17:37 |
| Lukas_ | O.o - I prefer this reality | 17:37 |
| joshcryer | Typically Culture people allowed themselves to die at 300. | 17:37 |
| joshcryer | And he kept hammering this point home. | 17:37 |
| joshcryer | I mean, book after book. Finally he invents heaven and hells. No one ever really dies, they just colasce into the hivemind when they die in The Real. | 17:38 |
| joshcryer | Fun stuff, enjoying Surface Details a lot. | 17:38 |
| Lukas_ | Is that actually plausible? | 17:38 |
| joshcryer | (of course some people can, happily and willingly, submit to total death, ie non-existance, but even then their memories become part of the hive) | 17:38 |
| Lukas_ | This sounds very much Avatar-like | 17:39 |
| joshcryer | Lukas_, there have been computablity limits suggested, but it's utterly and entirely possible. The Culture is only marginially fictional with the physics we know of now. At the bare minimum we'll have "minds." | 17:39 |
| joshcryer | They won't exist in subspace, and don't need to. | 17:40 |
| QuantumG | I finally subscribed to The Lurio Report .. that guy does great marketing | 17:40 |
| joshcryer | IMO there are two routes to take, hiveminds where all seientience moves to large computing substrates orbting around strong energy sources, and iminds, people who chose to have their own transhuman bodies in The Real who have, themselves, computablity allowing them to have their own realities in their head. | 17:41 |
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| Lukas_ | What profession are you guys going for? | 17:51 |
| AlonzoTG | Byte me, josh, NO VR FOR ME!!! | 18:03 |
| joshcryer | Lukas_, I never went to college, and my profession is construction. I want to do nothing for a living. | 18:04 |
| * joshcryer uploads AlonzoTG and AlonzoTG doesn't even know it | 18:04 | |
| Lukas_ | really? | 18:04 |
| Lukas_ | wow | 18:04 |
| Lukas_ | that is awesome | 18:04 |
| joshcryer | Nothing = sitting on some land with solar power and waste recycling systems and aeroponics food growing systems etc. | 18:05 |
| joshcryer | There's really only one example of someone being truly self-sufficient in modern times. | 18:05 |
| joshcryer | (Dick Proenneke) | 18:06 |
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| Lukas_ | Admirable goal | 18:08 |
| AlonzoTG | I support anything that doesn't involve uploading me. =P | 18:09 |
| joshcryer | There is *no* example, that I am aware of, of someone doing this with modern luxuries, such as a hot shower, and electronics. :) | 18:09 |
| joshcryer | AlonzoTG, how about a body upgrade? | 18:09 |
| AlonzoTG | Sure, that is the near-term end goal of my project. | 18:10 |
| AlonzoTG | =) | 18:10 |
| Lukas_ | I myself have decided that many scientists and engineers are too politically correct to work towards H+ technology outright - thus I am going for a 4 year degree in Biomedical Engineering | 18:10 |
| Lukas_ | at least I can decide how I want to alter myself, and do it (semi-self sufficiently) | 18:10 |
| AlonzoTG | I don't have a big enough stick to accomplish anything in biomed; therefore I'm going the AI route. | 18:10 |
| AlonzoTG | then use a neural interface to merge with the AI, then it's off to the races. ;) | 18:10 |
| Lukas_ | big enough stick? | 18:11 |
| AlonzoTG | -- enough leverage. | 18:11 |
| joshcryer | Lukas_, very nice, I like it. | 18:11 |
| joshcryer | Lukas_, how old are you if I may ask? | 18:11 |
| AlonzoTG | I'm working on a book called "bicybernetics or how to become a comic book superhero" | 18:11 |
| Lukas_ | 18 | 18:11 |
| AlonzoTG | I was 18 once. | 18:11 |
| AlonzoTG | =P | 18:11 |
| joshcryer | AlonzoTG, merging with AI is the same as uploading, silly. :P | 18:12 |
| joshcryer | Lukas_ :) | 18:12 |
| AlonzoTG | FUCK YOU, JOSH. | 18:12 |
| joshcryer | Lukas_, from Latin America? | 18:12 |
| Lukas_ | XD | 18:12 |
| Lukas_ | Do you consider Guyana a part of Latin America? If so, only half | 18:12 |
| Lukas_ | my father hails from Lebanon | 18:12 |
| joshcryer | Lukas_, ahh, very cool! | 18:12 |
| AlonzoTG | Seriously, josh, fuck you. | 18:13 |
| Lukas_ | XD | 18:13 |
| joshcryer | AlonzoTG, :( I am only kidding dude. | 18:13 |
| Lukas_ | he is trolling | 18:13 |
| Lukas_ | lol | 18:13 |
| joshcryer | AlonzoTG, are you familiar with memristors? | 18:13 |
| AlonzoTG | Yes, I spent a fair amount of time trying to master the mathematics of meristors, I only managed to give myself a headache. \ | 18:14 |
| joshcryer | Lukas_, your writing style led me to believe Latin America / South America (interchangable for me). :) | 18:14 |
| joshcryer | Lukas_, I always guess wrong though. | 18:14 |
| joshcryer | AlonzoTG, eh, I only think of them as state machines. | 18:14 |
| Lukas_ | Really? Why do you think that? | 18:14 |
| joshcryer | Lukas_, I am not sure. Your English is very good. | 18:15 |
| Lukas_ | thank you | 18:15 |
| AlonzoTG | Alright, josh, find me one author besides myself who : | 18:15 |
| AlonzoTG | A. Talks about merging with an AI by means of a neural interface. | 18:15 |
| AlonzoTG | B. refers to anything except copying as uploading. | 18:16 |
| joshcryer | Is this you? | 18:17 |
| joshcryer | http://www.kurzweilai.net/forums/topic/rationale-for-human-machine-merger-over-uploading | 18:17 |
| joshcryer | Haha | 18:17 |
| Lukas_ | lol | 18:17 |
| Lukas_ | and the trolling continues .... | 18:18 |
| joshcryer | Sorry. :P | 18:18 |
| AlonzoTG | Wow, | 18:18 |
| AlonzoTG | Lemme read this thread and get back to you. | 18:18 |
| AlonzoTG | I don't think I'm seeing the article, but I'm seeing the comments. | 18:19 |
| AlonzoTG | my computer is marginally broken right now, (as it usually is) | 18:19 |
| Lukas_ | Full A.I integration makes little sense to me | 18:19 |
| Lukas_ | human augmentation with certain programs would be nice though | 18:20 |
| Lukas_ | I dislike the idea of having another mind in my head | 18:20 |
| joshcryer | AlonzoTG, there's no article, it's a comment thread. | 18:20 |
| AlonzoTG | I'm kinda freakish in that respect. | 18:21 |
| joshcryer | Lonely? | 18:21 |
| AlonzoTG | extremely. =( | 18:21 |
| Lukas_ | XD | 18:22 |
| AlonzoTG | http://groups.yahoo.com/group/massconjoinment/ << founded this group about ten years ago. | 18:22 |
| Lukas_ | D: | 18:23 |
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| joshcryer | Lukas_ haha | 18:23 |
| Lukas_ | umm | 18:23 |
| joshcryer | Ahh, I love diversity of thought especially when you get weird non-conventional fringe stuff. :) | 18:23 |
| joshcryer | But I also like the hivemind concept. | 18:24 |
| AlonzoTG | =P | 18:24 |
| Lukas_ | I suppose just as long all parties are consenting adults .... | 18:24 |
| joshcryer | And figure eventually that's what's happening. | 18:24 |
| AlonzoTG | http://groups.yahoo.com/group/borg_collective/ | 18:25 |
| joshcryer | AlonzoTG, whatever substrates your minds exist on is going to require an upload in a metaphorical sense, though, even if it's a gradual thing. | 18:25 |
| joshcryer | AlonzoTG, you will no longer be an individual with individual identity. | 18:25 |
| AlonzoTG | I'm of two minds on that subject. | 18:25 |
| joshcryer | Ahhhhhh, borg_collective, nice name, and a transhuman subject, haha, fun. | 18:26 |
| AlonzoTG | The uploaders have defined their terms carefully and with excruciating specificity. I will therefore not use it. | 18:26 |
| joshcryer | I will admit that I do not know what term you are thinking I am using upload as. | 18:27 |
| joshcryer | For me it is very generic. | 18:27 |
| AlonzoTG | No it's not. | 18:27 |
| Lukas_ | Are you guys familiar with the Geth of Mass Effect? | 18:27 |
| AlonzoTG | Nope. | 18:27 |
| joshcryer | If there are "uploaders" out there who have a more specific term then I am unaware of it, and not using it. | 18:27 |
| joshcryer | Lukas_, nope, haven't played it, that reminds me to pirate it. | 18:27 |
| Lukas_ | hmm | 18:27 |
| AlonzoTG | Anders Sandberg wrote the definitive work on the subject, the brain emulation roadamp. | 18:27 |
| AlonzoTG | roadmap. | 18:27 |
| Lukas_ | At any rate, they are a race of cybernetics that can transfer memories and other data between 'platforms' | 18:28 |
| Lukas_ | though they can maintain individuality | 18:28 |
| Lukas_ | if they so desire | 18:28 |
| joshcryer | AlonzoTG, don't you think your brain is going to be emulated when it is copied to the AI substrate? | 18:29 |
| Lukas_ | and if a platform dies, the memories aren't destroyed | 18:29 |
| joshcryer | AlonzoTG or are you refuising to allow any of your identity to go beyond brain mush? | 18:29 |
| Lukas_ | that is an idea hive mind | 18:29 |
| joshcryer | Lukas_, agree. | 18:29 |
| joshcryer | A hivemind is basically a big ass computational substrate, basically a second universe with lots of redundancy. | 18:29 |
| joshcryer | Universes within universes, even. | 18:30 |
| Lukas_ | actually, if I had the money to go to school for a bit longer, I'd look into that | 18:30 |
| joshcryer | Lukas_, no scholarship? | 18:30 |
| Lukas_ | limited, with the contemporary economy | 18:31 |
| joshcryer | Sorry to hear that. | 18:31 |
| Lukas_ | at first I barely had enough money for some decent food | 18:31 |
| Lukas_ | but such is life | 18:31 |
| joshcryer | Fortunately the internet is available to you. | 18:31 |
| Lukas_ | hopefully the rewards will pay off | 18:31 |
| Lukas_ | Yup | 18:32 |
| Lukas_ | Google is lord | 18:32 |
| Lukas_ | Google is our benefactor | 18:32 |
| Lukas_ | Google is ALL | 18:32 |
| Lukas_ | O.O | 18:32 |
| joshcryer | Heheh | 18:33 |
| joshcryer | Google is clearly the beginning of the hivemind! | 18:33 |
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| Lukas_ | yup | 18:33 |
| Lukas_ | I wonder how much 'neural space' Google takes up in the Internet's 'brain' | 18:34 |
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| Lukas_ | fission mailed | 18:35 |
| joshcryer | You mailed me the secrets to nuclear fission? | 18:36 |
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| Lukas_ | internet joke, sorry | 18:36 |
| joshcryer | Hehe | 18:36 |
| kanzure | i'm re-reading http://hplusmagazine.com/editors-blog/greatest-good-greatest-number-interview-thomas-mccabe-humanity-plus-program-director | 18:36 |
| joshcryer | I know, you exchanged the first letter of each word... w/e | 18:36 |
| kanzure | "At the same time, there's no one who can say "this technology looks like it will lead to individual terrorists having the power to destroy continents, so let's not have anyone fund it". My ultimate end goal is to achieve that, and then once that is done, everything else will follow in fairly short order." | 18:36 |
| kanzure | what? | 18:36 |
| joshcryer | HAHAHA | 18:37 |
| joshcryer | Unfortunate placement of "that." | 18:37 |
| Lukas_ | What? | 18:37 |
| joshcryer | Lukas_, the quote sounds like McCabe wants to have the power to destroy continents. | 18:38 |
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| joshcryer | Wait. | 18:39 |
| joshcryer | He actually means what he said? | 18:39 |
| Lukas_ | I get that, hence the confusion I am experiencing | 18:39 |
| joshcryer | I'm sorry, I'm the one being confusing. | 18:39 |
| Lukas_ | That must be a major quote fail | 18:39 |
| joshcryer | He actually means to spread the idea that H+ can lead to terrorists having the pwer to destory continents! | 18:39 |
| joshcryer | No Lukas_ he means what he siad, I thought it was a quote fail. | 18:40 |
| joshcryer | To some, this might sound like a negative thing, because it would involve restricting some lines of research which are likely to be dangerous. However, the historical record is that, under our current regime of research and innovation, the very first time we developed a technology with the power to kill billions (nuclear weapons), we almost wiped out our civilization. We must, therefore, | 18:40 |
| joshcryer | handle the development of these technologies differently. | 18:40 |
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| joshcryer | H+, to me, means open and honest existance. | 18:42 |
| joshcryer | Because if you are lying and conspiring the other side will invariably know. | 18:42 |
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| Lukas_ | D: | 18:42 |
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| Lukas_ | Not even sure where to begin with that line of thought | 18:42 |
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| kanzure | joshcryer: no my problem is that tom is two-facing everyone there | 18:44 |
| kanzure | he's calling for top-down control of technological development | 18:44 |
| joshcryer | kanzure, that's the obvious result of saying "evil people can use this technology too!" | 18:45 |
| Lukas_ | that usually doesn't work out too well for society | 18:45 |
| Lukas_ | what would a world look like if H+ technology is illegal? | 18:45 |
| Lukas_ | see: 1930s USA (if I am correct) | 18:46 |
| joshcryer | It'd look like H-. | 18:47 |
| Lukas_ | I don't like the idea of souped up criminals having exclusive 'rights' on H+ tech | 18:48 |
| joshcryer | kanzure, top-down control of technological development is why SingInst still doesn't have any code. | 18:49 |
| Lukas_ | XD | 18:49 |
| joshcryer | (and why they appear to have even given up making a strong ai) | 18:49 |
| joshcryer | Lukas_, we're always going to have deviants, just imagine if a 4chan dude got a hold of some uber tech. | 18:50 |
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| joshcryer | non-poliferation of H+ tech is just retarded. | 18:50 |
| Lukas_ | O_o ... imagine if the entire swarm got a hold of uber tech? Scientology wouldn't stand a chance. | 18:50 |
| kanzure | "wah some plague could wipe us out" | 18:51 |
| kanzure | *yes* and it has happened before | 18:51 |
| kanzure | whining about it won't stop a plague in its tracks | 18:51 |
| kanzure | asteroids too :) | 18:52 |
| Lukas_ | agreed | 18:52 |
| joshcryer | Ahh, McCabe is Kurzweil affiliated. | 18:52 |
| joshcryer | Kurzweil has this same basic position doesn't he? | 18:52 |
| Lukas_ | better to be prepared than to hide from every shadow that shows itself | 18:52 |
| joshcryer | Don't let dirty terrorists have technology. | 18:52 |
| Lukas_ | I was never much of a Kurzweil fan | 18:54 |
| joshcryer | Frankly I don't even see why you should even amuse the terrorist question. | 18:56 |
| Lukas_ | It seems pretty common sense to me | 18:57 |
| joshcryer | Terrorists are not exactly enlightened individuals. | 19:00 |
| joshcryer | Most of the people developing the tech are dirty commie athiests. | 19:00 |
| Lukas_ | I think all of Al Queda has one engineer | 19:01 |
| Lukas_ | and he's been in some rat hole in Pakistan for the past few years | 19:01 |
| Lukas_ | so his intellectual abilities aren't being put to any use | 19:01 |
| joshcryer | I'd be more worried about egomaniac insane people like Crake. | 19:02 |
| Lukas_ | One man, no man | 19:05 |
| Lukas_ | whatever he wants to accomplish, it can't be done alone (and this is if he intends to cause harm) | 19:06 |
| Lukas_ | I'm checking out for the night, take care guys | 19:13 |
| Tarvis | Night | 19:14 |
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| AlonzoTG | bak. | 19:17 |
| AlonzoTG | That kurzweil form thread had a promising title but I don't think any of the posters saw the big picture. | 19:17 |
| AlonzoTG | =\ | 19:36 |
| kanzure | hrm how have i never heard of this guy http://www.halcyon.com/nanojbl/JBL/ | 19:50 |
| kanzure | what? christine peterson keynoted at the o'reilly open source convention? | 19:51 |
| kanzure | Lentivirus production for high-titer, cell-specific, in vivo neural labeling http://syntheticneurobiology.org/protocols/protocoldetail/31/12 | 19:53 |
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| kanzure | man becomes his own wife http://www.3ammagazine.com/3am/we-can-be-anything-we-want-to-be-genesis-p-orridge/ | 20:22 |
| AlonzoTG | ugh... | 20:30 |
| joshcryer | AlonzoTG, ugh? | 20:35 |
| AlonzoTG | Why do people even attempt this with such horribly pathetic technology we have now? | 20:36 |
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| kanzure | hi jmil | 21:57 |
| jmil | yo yo ma | 21:58 |
| jmil | going afk, watching 24 | 21:58 |
| jmil | happy new year!!!!! | 21:58 |
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