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| mheld | I have 3 hours before I need to wake up today, should I just pull the rest of the allnighter or take a powernap? | 01:01 |
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| dbolser | pacbio actually do some sequencing: | 06:25 |
| dbolser | PacBio zips out Haitian cholera genomes | 06:25 |
| dbolser | http://seqanswers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8352 | 06:25 |
| dbolser | http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa1012928#t=articleTop | 06:25 |
| dbolser | The Origin of the Haitian Cholera | 06:25 |
| dbolser | Outbreak Strain | 06:25 |
| Lukas__ | D: | 06:31 |
| kanzure | videos from singularity summit 2010 http://vimeo.com/siai | 06:44 |
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| Lukas__ | Thanks | 07:18 |
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| AlonzoTG | om | 08:33 |
| dbolser | mu | 08:43 |
| fenn | nam myoho renge kyo | 08:48 |
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| delinquentme | hey all i had a quick question with regards to security ... does the # of open ports really contribute to the security of a system? or the lack thereof? | 09:09 |
| Utopiah | a disconnected system is safer | 09:13 |
| dbolser | For the American futurist Ray Kurzweil is a realistic forecast, 400 years old or even become immortal. But the scientific community agrees that the life expectancy continues to increase. But how far they can expand through medical innovation and what are the biological causes of aging? The longer life span would also affect the interaction between the generations and perhaps even the art, because what happens with classical narrative models, where w | 09:36 |
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| dbolser | Panelists | 09:37 |
| dbolser | Prof. Dr. Christian Behl, Department of Pathobiochemistry, | 09:37 |
| dbolser | Johannes Gutenberg-Universität Mainz | 09:37 |
| dbolser | Dr. Jutta Gampe, Max Planck Institute for Demographic Research in Rostock | 09:37 |
| dbolser | Prof. Dr. Wolf Singer, director at the Max Planck Institute for Brain Research | 09:37 |
| dbolser | Frankfurt am Main | 09:37 |
| dbolser | Prof. Dr. Hans-Ulrich Treichel, writer and director of the | 09:37 |
| dbolser | German Literature Institute in Leipzig | 09:37 |
| dbolser | Presentation | 09:37 |
| dbolser | Dr. Roman Brinzanik, Max Planck Institute for Molecular Genetics in Berlin | 09:37 |
| dbolser | Tobias Hülswitt, writers, Berlin | 09:37 |
| dbolser | In cooperation with the Max-Planck-Gesellschaft | 09:37 |
| delinquentme | Utopiah, hahah | 09:39 |
| delinquentme | true | 09:39 |
| delinquentme | dbolser, why would you want to LIVE honestly/ | 09:39 |
| delinquentme | wtf. jesus wants me to come home | 09:39 |
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| kanzure | hypothesis: nobody wants to use http://thoughtware.tv/ because nobody wants it | 09:47 |
| kanzure | *nobody uses thoughtware.tv because nobody wants it | 09:48 |
| dbolser | what is it? | 09:54 |
| kanzure | dbolser: i was playing around and made http://diyhpl.us:9000/ which at first glance might look similar | 09:57 |
| dbolser | nice | 09:57 |
| kanzure | dbolser was that thing about ray related to the list of panelists | 09:59 |
| dbolser | Not really sure, I can forward you the email in german | 09:59 |
| dbolser | Sounds like he should be there... or perhaps they just heard of him | 09:59 |
| kanzure | please | 09:59 |
| dbolser | sented | 10:01 |
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| kanzure | hi jennicide | 10:25 |
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| Lukas__ | Good afternoon | 10:51 |
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| kanzure | "From $1000 Genome book. There are about ~20,000 Sanger sequencer sold. | 11:12 |
| Lukas__ | What? | 11:13 |
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| kanzure | microelectrode-based deprotection step in oligonucleotide synthesis (on a proprietary microarray) http://www.macrogen.com/eng/biochip/custom_advantages.jsp | 11:33 |
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| kanzure | 30-60mer is just embarrassing.. http://www.febit.com/microarray-sequencing/technology/synthesis/ | 11:43 |
| kanzure | jmil: do you know anyone who has built perfusion setups for tissue cultures? especially if that person has reprap-related experience :D | 11:44 |
| jmil | dunno what you mean exactly kanzure | 11:44 |
| fenn | also be on the lookout for mongolian beekeepers with aegis radar expertise | 12:11 |
| kanzure | 3d printed guitar http://www.zoybar.net/group/zoybartoritsreal | 12:17 |
| kanzure | supposedly there's blender-usable files somewhere.. | 12:17 |
| kanzure | http://www.zoybar.net/About/download-the-zoybar-parts | 12:18 |
| kanzure | http://www.zoybar.net/ZoybarKitsParts.WRL | 12:18 |
| kanzure | haha wrl.. | 12:18 |
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| Utopiah | (mention of SeaStanding as a datahaven option in http://vimeo.com/17851619 International Cyber Jurisdiction) | 13:31 |
| Lukas__ | Didn't Sealand so this with Haven Co. | 13:42 |
| Lukas__ | ? | 13:42 |
| Utopiah | yes, it's also mentionned | 13:45 |
| Lukas__ | ah | 13:45 |
| Lukas__ | I think that someone should use the decommissioned ISS as a data haven | 13:46 |
| Lukas__ | :P | 13:46 |
| Utopiah | you? | 13:47 |
| Lukas__ | I don't have that sort of money | 13:52 |
| Lukas__ | and even if I did | 13:52 |
| Lukas__ | I'd be an uphill battle to obtain the thing | 13:52 |
| Lukas__ | still doesn't make sense to me why NASA would space it rather than use it for something else, or sell it | 13:52 |
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| Lukas__ | Kanzure, you around? | 14:02 |
| kanzure | no | 14:06 |
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| Lukas__ | -__- | 14:09 |
| Lukas__ | not sure if you still collect relevant internet sources | 14:10 |
| Lukas__ | http://z15.invisionfree.com/Self_Hack/index.php?s=3945c4770589d399b0af894470569ca1&showforum=13 | 14:10 |
| Lukas__ | still unsure whether I will liquidate the site | 14:10 |
| jennicide | kanzure: hi | 14:31 |
| Lukas__ | Jennicide: hi | 14:32 |
| jennicide | hi | 14:32 |
| Lukas__ | What's up? | 14:34 |
| jennicide | not much | 14:35 |
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| kanzure | well.. | 14:36 |
| kanzure | http://www.adafruit.com/blog/2011/01/02/transcending-the-human-diy-style/ | 14:36 |
| kanzure | hrm. | 14:36 |
| kanzure | so now ladyada is pushing it | 14:36 |
| Lukas__ | http://www.torproject.org/ - found this out do to the talk (thanks Utopiah!) | 14:38 |
| kanzure | 27c3 talk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lT6xzMdFJTA | 14:38 |
| kanzure | Lukas__: you don't use tor? | 14:38 |
| Lukas__ | I am a newbie, of course not | 14:39 |
| Utopiah | Lukas__: np, might want to explore http://fabien.benetou.fr/Bypassing/ too then | 14:41 |
| Lukas__ | Thank you | 14:41 |
| kanzure | ha ha ha | 14:42 |
| kanzure | http://hplusmagazine.com/ | 14:42 |
| kanzure | oh man. the server is crumbling under the load. | 14:42 |
| kanzure | if anyone wants to use the loadable version it's http://206.220.200.105/ | 14:45 |
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| Lukas__ | yay, it's finally on the youtubes | 15:06 |
| joshcryer | what load? | 15:08 |
| joshcryer | did they get published on /. or something? | 15:08 |
| fenn | i thought this was pretty sweet http://benkrasnow.blogspot.com/2008/08/diy-liquid-nitrogen-generator.html | 15:08 |
| fenn | of course it assumes you can get a surplus cryocooler for $300 which is doubtful | 15:09 |
| superkuh | http://cgi.ebay.com/SUPERCONDUCTOR-TECHNOLOGIES-SUPERFILTER-850B2RR23-/220707865078?pt=BI_Cellular_Optical_Television_Test_Equipment&hash=item336336c1f6 | 15:11 |
| fenn | huh http://search.ebay.com/220707865078 | 15:11 |
| fenn | $100 shipping! | 15:11 |
| superkuh | Hm. Still tempting. | 15:11 |
| * superkuh goes back to finish reading the article. | 15:12 | |
| kanzure | joshcryer: it gets something like 100-300 requests/sec as normal load.. | 15:12 |
| superkuh | Finding the 'nitrogen separation membrane' seems harder. But you could use rebreather zeolites instead. | 15:13 |
| fenn | yeah, flaky oxygen concentrators are easy to come by because they can't be used for (legitimate) medical purposes | 15:14 |
| superkuh | That's an impressive project. He explains it in video here. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14B8LynojI4 | 15:21 |
| fenn | i'm watching jeri ellsworth's "how to make electroluminescent displays from scratch" series | 15:22 |
| fenn | not sure all the semiconductor physics stuff is really necessary | 15:22 |
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| fenn | another nice thing i discovered today, to invert the screen: xcalib -i -a | 15:39 |
| kanzure | ʞɔɐq ʇı ǝƃnɐɥɔ ı od ʍoɥ dɐɹɔ | 15:40 |
| Lukas__ | D: | 15:42 |
| Lukas__ | how did you do that? | 15:42 |
| kanzure | a little python.. | 15:45 |
| kanzure | {"a":"\u0250","b":"q","c":"\u0254","d":"p","e":"\u01DD","f":"\u025F","g":"\u0183","h":"\u0265","i":"\u0131","j":"\u027E","k":"\u029E","l":"l","m":"\u026F","n":"u","o":"o","p":"d","q":"b","r":"\u0279","s":"s","t":"\u0287","u":"n","v":"\u028C","w":"\u028D","y":"\u028E","z":"z"} | 15:47 |
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| kanzure | hi industromatic | 15:52 |
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| gnusha | Lukas__: he typed while upside down | 15:53 |
| kanzure | duh | 15:53 |
| Lukas__ | XD | 15:53 |
| kanzure | (mirrored text actually) | 15:54 |
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| industromatic | Hey Bryan | 16:00 |
| industromatic | What was it you emailed me about the other day? | 16:02 |
| industromatic | electrostatically programming reactions? | 16:02 |
| industromatic | figure out any more feasibility of it? | 16:02 |
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| industromatic | I wish Les Filip's shared shop would come together to something stable. | 16:04 |
| industromatic | I told him I needed a timeline and commitment from others in his shop | 16:04 |
| industromatic | to make a CNC functional before volunteering any more and have | 16:04 |
| industromatic | not heard back. | 16:04 |
| kanzure | i saw him about a month ago welding some of its parts | 16:07 |
| kanzure | i am generally unsatisfied with how long hardware projects seem to take | 16:07 |
| delinquentme | WOOT now a member for the LRIG Laboratory Robotics Interest Group ... if a nyone would like to join on linkedin :D | 16:07 |
| Lukas__ | heh, lepht doesn't seem like that much of a freak after that talk | 16:16 |
| Lukas__ | (emphasize: seem) | 16:17 |
| delinquentme | kanzure, where can i see that mechanical leg the dude was DIY ing on | 16:19 |
| delinquentme | getting it fixed | 16:19 |
| kanzure | you mean lee nelson's post to diybio the other day? | 16:20 |
| kanzure | or are you talking about openprosthetics.org stuff? | 16:20 |
| * AlonzoTG contemplates how important the human memory heirarchy is to his AI project... Is it only important for episodic memories or is it also important for general learning too? =P | 16:21 | |
| kanzure | why is that =P | 16:21 |
| kanzure | i don't see the punch line | 16:21 |
| Lukas__ | a youtube talk, umm, one sec | 16:23 |
| kanzure | delinquentme: if you mean lee's post.. http://groups.google.com/group/diybio/browse_thread/thread/2c3403097d20d83f/e92d48298023c57f#e92d48298023c57f | 16:23 |
| kanzure | Lukas__: no i was talking to AlonzoTG | 16:23 |
| Lukas__ | oh | 16:23 |
| Lukas__ | -__O | 16:23 |
| AlonzoTG | Cuz I'm a mad scientist, everything scientific I do is =P ;) | 16:23 |
| kanzure | industromatic: just a DNA synthesis scheme | 16:24 |
| kanzure | industromatic: it would require a conductive liquid, for sure. | 16:24 |
| kanzure | timschmidt: thanks for http://reprap.org/wiki/MCAD and http://groups.google.com/group/openscad-mcad :) | 16:24 |
| AlonzoTG | Because, If I succeed, I'd prefer that nobody could believe that I could possibly succeed. ;) | 16:24 |
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| timschmidt | :) | 16:27 |
| industromatic | kanzure:just a DNA synthesis scheme? Just? | 16:27 |
| kanzure | yes | 16:27 |
| industromatic | did you find out the scale of the "pixels" that would be needed to manipulate DNA? | 16:28 |
| industromatic | 45 nm is small, but.... | 16:28 |
| industromatic | 45 nm comes at a price... and it still might not be small enough... | 16:29 |
| industromatic | kanzure: ">i am generally unsatisfied with how long hardware projects seem to take" | 16:31 |
| industromatic | When you DIY? Les is just overloaded. You can't expect others to do what you want. | 16:31 |
| industromatic | I wish Les knew what he wanted is all... | 16:31 |
| industromatic | He's not been doing much of what he said... | 16:32 |
| industromatic | gripe gripe gripe... | 16:32 |
| delinquentme | ^^^ kanzure thanks | 16:36 |
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| gloop | hmm this disconnects alot | 16:43 |
| gloop | testnig | 16:44 |
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| gloop | ychat has a constant disconnect reminder | 16:50 |
| joshcryer | Use an IRC logging proxy like dircproxy. | 16:57 |
| gloop | thanks | 17:00 |
| kanzure | or you could just use screen or a shell.. | 17:02 |
| kanzure | simpler solutions win :) | 17:02 |
| gloop | what is screen/shell | 17:02 |
| industromatic | yeah , like DNA synthesis schemes | 17:03 |
| kanzure | gloop: i thought you said you're a debian user | 17:03 |
| gloop | i am but i have a dual boot running | 17:03 |
| kanzure | don't you use bash (bourne again shell)? | 17:03 |
| kanzure | or some other *sh. | 17:03 |
| kanzure | the concept is to log in like you normally would to a remote machine | 17:04 |
| gloop | i don't know what bash is...i think i used xchat before. are there any webbased ones i should use | 17:04 |
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| gloop | (xchat on linux- with the amiga) | 17:04 |
| kanzure | jrayhawk: what am i doing wrong? | 17:04 |
| gloop | my debian actuallyhas a broken update manager so i can't install anything (i'm waiting for 6.0 squeeze) | 17:06 |
| gloop | i might install AuroraOS | 17:06 |
| gloop | when it comes out | 17:06 |
| kanzure | i don't know how to explain this since it (to me) is like the first thing anyone using linux learns | 17:07 |
| kanzure | when you type in commands you're typing into a shell | 17:07 |
| gloop | right i get that- it's at a taller abstraction layer than the kernel | 17:07 |
| kanzure | ok. so no, bash is not xchat or like xchat | 17:08 |
| gloop | i learned through ubuntu and am slowly making my way closer to terminal commands, on a need basis | 17:08 |
| gloop | most of my linux learning occurs through installing commands copied and pasted onto terminal | 17:09 |
| gloop | from the net | 17:09 |
| kanzure | yeah that's a bad idea | 17:09 |
| kanzure | anyway i guess i'm under obligation to explain what i was saying | 17:09 |
| gloop | i know, but it works for now- i started as a windows user | 17:09 |
| kanzure | ssh gloop@giovanni.net -x 'screen -x xchat' | 17:10 |
| kanzure | no i was suggesting a simpler solution than dircproxy | 17:10 |
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| kanzure | anyway.. | 17:11 |
| gloop | well for windows i'll likely have to choose a solution different from linux | 17:11 |
| kanzure | nah you can use an ssh client from windows like PuTtY or whatever the hot stuff is these days | 17:11 |
| kanzure | gloop: you might find this interesting: | 17:11 |
| kanzure | http://bio.cc/Bioinformics/papers/ | 17:11 |
| kanzure | it's one of my old paper dumps on the net.. | 17:11 |
| Lukas__ | O_O | 17:12 |
| Lukas__ | nice | 17:12 |
| kanzure | sorry for the crappy organization | 17:12 |
| ybit | it's poop | 17:12 |
| gloop | hmm. that's cool | 17:12 |
| Lukas__ | It doesn't matter | 17:13 |
| Lukas__ | thanks | 17:13 |
| ybit | you should really complain about the smell Lukas__ | 17:13 |
| kanzure | ybit: it is poop | 17:14 |
| ybit | to not do so is overstepping the thin line of being courteous and inconsiderate | 17:14 |
| gloop | hmm will there be a semantic search | 17:14 |
| ybit | paperleaks, the p2p version of wikileaks, but much more interesting | 17:15 |
| ybit | just thinking we need something like this | 17:16 |
| ybit | gloop: if you build it | 17:16 |
| gloop | Yacy | 17:16 |
| gloop | is a decntralized search | 17:16 |
| gloop | https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Sciencenet | 17:17 |
| kanzure | so was searchwikia or grub | 17:18 |
| kanzure | ybit: paperleaks would be great | 17:18 |
| kanzure | but it should really be more about journal leaks | 17:19 |
| kanzure | individual papers on their own aren't quite as useful because nobody will ever bother to organize them | 17:19 |
| Lukas__ | paperleaks | 17:20 |
| gloop | that is true. perhaps there could be a reference citer- tracking which papers are cited more often, and to see if one type of research field is ignored because it has a conflict of interest | 17:20 |
| Lukas__ | do I smell something in teh making? .... | 17:20 |
| gloop | nothing wrong with that, and maybe doesn't even require the paper, except maybe to examine the reference section | 17:21 |
| gloop | there already is something like that- which shows how often a paper was cited | 17:21 |
| ybit | so, superkuh, we're going to die, what to do with our time? | 17:21 |
| kanzure | gloop: i think you misunderstand ybit's comment | 17:22 |
| ybit | i could grep.. i might just do that... but i think you were working on rtms? | 17:22 |
| kanzure | ybit's comment was not about citation analysis | 17:22 |
| gloop | i wasn't inreference to ybit, but kanzure | 17:22 |
| kanzure | ybit: superkuh gave up because he thinks he needs more money, last i heard | 17:22 |
| ybit | oh, grr, it's always this money issue | 17:23 |
| kanzure | honestly i think the response has few merits :) | 17:23 |
| Lukas__ | I am signing off | 17:27 |
| Lukas__ | take care | 17:27 |
| gloop | gloobye | 17:28 |
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| gloop | so i have a question. who came up with the Grand Manufacturing Prize | 17:44 |
| kanzure | kartik gada | 17:45 |
| kanzure | well | 17:45 |
| kanzure | kartik in consultation with the reprap core development team | 17:45 |
| gloop | and the Water Liberation? | 17:45 |
| kanzure | kartik | 17:46 |
| kanzure | water liberation and grand manufacturing prizes have no funding at the moment | 17:46 |
| gloop | i know | 17:46 |
| kanzure | though it looks like humanity+ will be teaming up with kartik to provide a 501c3 for those | 17:46 |
| kanzure | (it's in progress.. had a conference call about it on my birthday yesterday) | 17:46 |
| gloop | they're both great idesa | 17:46 |
| kanzure | imho we could use more money for bounties | 17:47 |
| kanzure | in open source hardware. | 17:47 |
| kanzure | i.e. "$2,000 for a textile automation machine built on top of reprap" | 17:47 |
| kanzure | http://reprap.org/wiki/Skeinosaur | 17:47 |
| kanzure | brontoraptor <3 :D | 17:47 |
| gloop | clothing? cool | 17:48 |
| gloop | what about a BronteRepRap that prints Dover classics of Jane Eyre? lol | 17:51 |
| gloop | is anyone on a RepRap team? | 18:01 |
| kanzure | do you mean the core development team group.. thing? | 18:01 |
| gloop | team for making new generations | 18:01 |
| gloop | though i'm not sure if the gada prize in GPM is the same | 18:02 |
| kanzure | jmil, timschmidt, genehacker, elmom might know a few things | 18:02 |
| kanzure | in GPM? | 18:02 |
| kanzure | http://gadaprize.org/ there is no other :) | 18:02 |
| kanzure | unless you wanted the teams listed here http://reprap.org/wiki/Gada_Prize | 18:03 |
| gloop | if i'm not mistaken, the grand manufacturing prize wants to have teams develop parts for a faster reprap, but would that mean they would all go into a core dev | 18:03 |
| kanzure | well ideally core dev will appreciate the changes | 18:03 |
| kanzure | but if not it's very easy to branch git repositories | 18:03 |
| gloop | yeah i'm guessing the core dev of the rep rap should be like Gentoo or something- very modular at a layer- though some parts aren't as interechangeable i'd imagine | 18:06 |
| kanzure | i am having trouble assessing your technical knowledge since you seem to be aware of debian but not bashor what a shell is | 18:07 |
| kanzure | *bash or what a shell is | 18:07 |
| gloop | bash is a terminal command... a shell is a GUI? | 18:08 |
| gloop | well, i also speak in metaphors. so i'm not literal | 18:08 |
| gloop | always | 18:09 |
| gloop | *not literal always | 18:09 |
| kanzure | so does that mean you know what gentoo actually is or just that you know it exists? | 18:09 |
| kanzure | i'm confused | 18:09 |
| QuantumG | gentoo == linux ricers | 18:10 |
| gloop | from a distant, abstract perspective, i don't take what Gentoo actually is, but the what it may seem to emphasize more than other linux distros...however, if there is a distro more barebone and less standard than debian, then i was signifying that | 18:13 |
| gloop | another way of asking is, what is modular in linux, and what isn't? | 18:14 |
| delinquentme | umm does anyone know of a internet startup which as openly declared they wont support IE as a browser? | 18:14 |
| kanzure | delinquentme: yeah i've heard of one or two like that.. | 18:14 |
| kanzure | gloop: packages are modular. | 18:15 |
| delinquentme | kanzure, know the names of them by chances? | 18:15 |
| kanzure | nope. | 18:15 |
| kanzure | delinquentme: http://www.marco.org/82950480 | 18:15 |
| kanzure | http://playnice.ly/blog/2010/10/19/techstartup-focused-product-dont-support-ie/ | 18:16 |
| kanzure | http://www.usabilitypost.com/post/14-drop-ie6-support-give-people-a-reason-to-upgrade | 18:16 |
| gloop | ok. so what packages constitute the linux or Hurd kernel | 18:16 |
| kanzure | http://www.techcrunch.com/2010/01/29/google-twists-knife-in-ie6-pulls-support-from-docs-and-sites/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Techcrunch+%28TechCrunch%29&utm_content=Google+Reader | 18:16 |
| gloop | and what can be run as an abstraction above that | 18:17 |
| gloop | or whatever runs on that | 18:17 |
| kanzure | gloop: debian package? i guess there's linux-image-2.6.xxx | 18:17 |
| kanzure | linux-image-2.6.30-2-686 for instance | 18:17 |
| kanzure | hm that's an old one | 18:17 |
| gloop | a new one was just released | 18:17 |
| gloop | http://linux.slashdot.org/story/11/01/05/2021254/Linux-2637-Released | 18:18 |
| gloop | ok well my original point isn't as applicable to printers i guess | 18:19 |
| kanzure | gloop: have you watched my videos on apt-get for hardware? | 18:20 |
| gloop | i saw some of the presentations | 18:20 |
| gloop | i understand the concept. it will just take a while for me to get all the ins and outs of its physical destination on a printer | 18:23 |
| kanzure | gloop: on another note, this little new year's project of mine might interest you | 18:29 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us:9000/random | 18:29 |
| gloop | i've seen that gerontologist featured on exhibitsat the science museum near where i live at an exhibit | 18:30 |
| gloop | oops i said that twice | 18:31 |
| kanzure | "that gerontologist" there are many gerontolist-videos there.. which one? :) | 18:32 |
| gloop | the one on that link with the LONG beard | 18:32 |
| gloop | the same exhibit had vertical farming, which i like | 18:32 |
| kanzure | :) aubrey de grey | 18:32 |
| delinquentme | hes so BALLSY! | 18:35 |
| delinquentme | guys kinda my hero | 18:35 |
| gloop | speaking of vertical farming. would LED lights be enough to grow crops in skyscrapers? | 18:41 |
| gloop | are any RepRaps working on LED light bulbs? | 18:41 |
| gloop | hydroponics, aeroponics etc | 18:42 |
| delinquentme | gloop, ive seen a LEd light used for MJ that apprently kicks ass in many spectrums | 18:45 |
| delinquentme | it MAY be called the UFO or something | 18:45 |
| gloop | hmm. flat lights would be useful | 18:46 |
| gloop | easier to print | 18:46 |
| gloop | that's a good idea. offices in urban skyscrapers should grow food with them | 18:54 |
| gloop | 80 wattsx 12 hours...if a solar panel system could power that per each lamp that would be efficient | 18:57 |
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| gloop | hmm why do some places it says 80 or 90 watts and other places it says 1-2 watts | 19:00 |
| gloop | what's being used at the 80/90 level | 19:01 |
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| gloop | ok those dots | 19:06 |
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| gloop | kanzure: any specific plans for the aggregation video site? | 19:17 |
| gloop | it's interesting. i've bookmarked it | 19:18 |
| kanzure | comments/discussion, Q&A with the speakers from the videos, jrayhawk wants MST3King going on :) | 19:18 |
| kanzure | also i might be able to con some percentage of the users into writing short multi-paragraph reviews | 19:19 |
| kanzure | so that people will know if they want to watch each talk or not | 19:19 |
| gloop | heh ,st3k | 19:21 |
| gloop | *m | 19:21 |
| kanzure | gloop: how many bookmarks do you have | 19:23 |
| gloop | 77 on XP, but i only use like the most recent 4 or 5 | 19:24 |
| kanzure | only 77? | 19:24 |
| gloop | i have links in emails | 19:25 |
| gloop | that i search usually | 19:25 |
| gloop | so there are more there | 19:25 |
| kanzure | i see. i was going to ask for a .tar.gz of your bookmarks folder but i guess that's not going to happen | 19:25 |
| gloop | i just search from memory, which usually works | 19:25 |
| gloop | keywords, phrases | 19:25 |
| kanzure | i have a set of about 15,000 bookmarks if you ever want to look at that | 19:26 |
| gloop | also, i once had a metaidea of borrowing what old games in the 80s did with DRM | 19:26 |
| gloop | it's too hard to look into a huge list without context | 19:26 |
| kanzure | it's a hierarchy | 19:26 |
| gloop | that helps | 19:27 |
| gloop | you know how some games on floppies asked you to list the third word from the top in an instruction manual so they could prove you actually owned the booklet? | 19:28 |
| gloop | or something like that | 19:28 |
| gloop | well, i was thinking they could do that with a web search- an author that charges for brief access to a page or a line in a book could sell you a mini copy of the book excerpt if you typed in a specific query, such as one from memory | 19:29 |
| gloop | of course it could just be made free | 19:29 |
| gloop | but for existing books | 19:29 |
| gloop | it could be restrictive or open like a whole paragraph page/preview | 19:30 |
| kanzure | or you can just give me the entire book. | 19:30 |
| gloop | anyways, that was a bit off topic | 19:30 |
| gloop | yeah that's how an ebook could be published | 19:31 |
| kanzure | ebooks can be published by uploading the files to some server on the web.. problem solved. | 19:31 |
| gloop | right. it was more of a mental exercise | 19:32 |
| gloop | well, i read Slashdot daily, and usually The Inquirer.net | 19:33 |
| gloop | theinquirer.net* | 19:33 |
| kanzure | no i just sort of expected you to have a large collection of obscure bookmarks | 19:33 |
| gloop | in my head, in heavily spliced memes you could say something of the sort exists | 19:34 |
| kanzure | yes but i can't download that (yet) :( | 19:34 |
| gloop | i could recreate some of it | 19:35 |
| gloop | in the near future | 19:35 |
| gloop | my life is kind of like Katamari Damacy | 19:35 |
| gloop | more of a snowball collection | 19:35 |
| gloop | harder to forget | 19:35 |
| gloop | tell you what, i'll write down a bunch of links i recall | 19:36 |
| gloop | and i'll send it in the next few days | 19:36 |
| kanzure | cool | 19:37 |
| kanzure | try for stuff that i am not aware of :) | 19:37 |
| gloop | did you get the one on openmanufacturing? | 19:37 |
| kanzure | yes | 19:37 |
| kanzure | (btw i moderate openmanufacturing) | 19:37 |
| gloop | those were some of the ones i liked a lot | 19:37 |
| gloop | in recent collections | 19:37 |
| gloop | well gtg. later everybody | 19:38 |
| kanzure | cya | 19:38 |
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| AlonzoTG | http://emissionlabs.com/datasheets/EML20B.htm | 20:12 |
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| kanzure | hi genehacker | 20:23 |
| genehacker | hello | 20:23 |
| genehacker | cakes are additively manufactured | 20:23 |
| genehacker | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4xp0u7iE5E&NR=1 | 20:24 |
| kanzure | subtractive cake manufacturing would be neat. | 20:25 |
| genehacker | also have you seen fab@home's cookie recipe | 20:25 |
| kanzure | nope is it good? | 20:25 |
| genehacker | well they had help from world class chefs | 20:25 |
| genehacker | the printed turkey was supposedly good | 20:26 |
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| joshcryer | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omGHeVmv6NI | 21:29 |
| kanzure | what is it? | 21:38 |
| joshcryer | Simple ping pong juggling robot. | 21:41 |
| joshcryer | I was just YouTube browsing and thought I'd post it in here... | 21:41 |
| kanzure | cool. i can't convert omGHeVmv6NI into titles. | 21:41 |
| kanzure | i wonder why youtube doesn't use pretty urls or permalinks | 21:42 |
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| joshcryer | I just love watching real time performance art by robots. | 21:44 |
| joshcryer | I will admit that 99% of the situations are lame solved problems and that they cannot be applied to much. | 21:44 |
| QuantumG | too* | 21:44 |
| joshcryer | doh | 21:44 |
| joshcryer | I knew that, fyi. :P | 21:45 |
| joshcryer | Wait. | 21:45 |
| QuantumG | http://jpaerospace.com/blog/ <- this is the most boring blog for such interesting project(s) | 21:45 |
| joshcryer | No you're wrong it's to much. :P | 21:45 |
| QuantumG | yeah, true, both work | 21:45 |
| joshcryer | I like your interpretation though but I did mean the other way. | 21:46 |
| joshcryer | The real time demos you see on YouTube just don't apply to anything that we actually care about. | 21:46 |
| joshcryer | For me it's sort of crossing the Uncanny Valley where a robot is doing something humans can do very easily and in real time. | 21:47 |
| joshcryer | But to watch a kid bounce a ping pong ball it's "meh, who cares." | 21:47 |
| kanzure | maybe the robot brings hope of repeatbility | 21:50 |
| kanzure | which is weird because right now you can breed kids faster than robots | 21:50 |
| kanzure | *repeatability | 21:50 |
| joshcryer | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gy5g33S0Gzo | 21:53 |
| joshcryer | Indeed. | 21:53 |
| joshcryer | It's because robots are still processing way way way more data than humans give a crap about. | 21:53 |
| joshcryer | I think we convince ourselves that we're so awesome that our robots need to do all sorts of superfluous stuff to achieve the same results. | 21:54 |
| joshcryer | "Yeah, we have to scan the entire towel for the robot to fold it because the human brain is so awesome and scans the entire environment hundreds of times a second and maps everything out." | 21:55 |
| joshcryer | Uh, no, you fold a tower by finding the edges using gravity. | 21:55 |
| joshcryer | s/tower/towel | 21:55 |
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| kanzure | lots of new members http://groups.google.com/group/diybio/members?start=0&sort=date&order=rev | 21:56 |
| QuantumG | there's absolutely nothing similar to what humans do in that towel folding demonstration | 21:57 |
| QuantumG | that's the whole point of it | 21:57 |
| QuantumG | Willow Garage is about *actually doing stuff*, not pontificating about "intelligence" | 21:57 |
| joshcryer | That's a Willow Garage video? | 21:57 |
| joshcryer | The paper didn't indicate that. | 21:57 |
| QuantumG | it's a PR2 | 21:58 |
| QuantumG | before the PR2 donation | 21:58 |
| QuantumG | there's a towel folding module in ROS I believe | 21:58 |
| joshcryer | "We present a novel vision-based grasp point detection algorithm that can reliably detect the corners of a piece of cloth, using only geometric cues that are robust to variation in texture. Furthermore, we demonstrate the effectiveness of our algorithm in the context of folding a towel using a generalpurpose two-armed mobile robotic platform without the use of specialized end-effectors | 21:59 |
| joshcryer | or tools. The robot begins by picking up a randomly dropped towel from a table, goes through a sequence of vision-based re-grasps and manipulations- partially in the air, partially on the table- and finally stacks the folded towel in a target location." | 21:59 |
| joshcryer | Not sure if that went through. | 21:59 |
| QuantumG | yup | 21:59 |
| QuantumG | http://singularityhub.com/2010/03/31/berkeley-gets-willow-garage-robot-to-fold-towels-simply-stunning-video/ | 21:59 |
| joshcryer | I like David Everling's comment. | 22:00 |
| joshcryer | :P | 22:00 |
| joshcryer | Can that towel folding robot make me a sandwich? | 22:02 |
| joshcryer | :D | 22:02 |
| QuantumG | I imagine there's someone who suggests that every time they have a hackathon | 22:02 |
| QuantumG | and someone probably says "do you really want your code wielding knives?" | 22:03 |
| joshcryer | I think most nerds aren't as sexist as me. | 22:03 |
| joshcryer | Haha | 22:03 |
| QuantumG | still "make me a sandwich" ... "I'll be back in 2 hours and that better be done!" | 22:03 |
| joshcryer | That last comment is relevant. | 22:04 |
| joshcryer | On that singularityhub blog post. | 22:04 |
| joshcryer | You want a robot to fold towels you make one that sits in the corner folding towels like a regular appliance might, say, wash clothes. | 22:04 |
| joshcryer | Ugh we don't need general purpose robots. :( | 22:06 |
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| joshcryer | QuantumG, how much does a PR2 really cost to make? | 22:21 |
| joshcryer | I mean what's in the thing. | 22:22 |
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| kanzure | Juul: http://diyhpl.us:9000/random | 22:28 |
| Juul | very nice | 22:28 |
| Juul | :) | 22:28 |
| Juul | who did that site? | 22:29 |
| joshcryer | kanzure did. | 22:29 |
| joshcryer | On his birthday. | 22:29 |
| joshcryer | He's a freak. | 22:29 |
| Juul | haha | 22:29 |
| joshcryer | (ok technically it wasn't his bday but yeah) | 22:29 |
| Juul | oh yeah, you turned 21 right? | 22:29 |
| Juul | a delayed happy birthday to you kanzure | 22:29 |
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| kanzure | thanks Juul | 22:31 |
| kanzure | i tried a "drink every time someone wishes you a happy birthday" game but it got kind of ridiculous with facebook spam | 22:31 |
| Juul | haha | 22:31 |
| Juul | yeah, it would | 22:31 |
| joshcryer | "h+ advocate dies after alcohol poisoning after taking a shot for every 'birthday wish' he received on FaceBook." | 22:33 |
| joshcryer | s/after/from/1 | 22:33 |
| kanzure | "h+ advocate" is that the best i get? :( | 22:37 |
| joshcryer | I seem to recall getting admonished for calling you celebrity or leader but I can't remember. | 22:38 |
| kanzure | blah this didn't embed either http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZge1v7GDq0 | 22:39 |
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| kanzure | hi mayko | 23:06 |
| mayko | hi!!!! | 23:06 |
| mayko | what's up? | 23:06 |
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| kanzure | reading some more http://orionsarm.com/ | 23:09 |
| mayko | awesome i've been trying to learn to use arduinos and GIMP | 23:17 |
| mayko | getting sleepy | 23:17 |
| mayko | our biolab is getting itself together too | 23:18 |
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| mayko | incidentally, is anyone good at identifying molds? | 23:21 |
| kanzure | it's probably chinese. | 23:21 |
| kanzure | if you mean the biological kind.. posting a photo or two to diybio will get lots of responses :) | 23:22 |
| mayko | http://i1109.photobucket.com/albums/h428/csoeder/Welcome%20to%20Fungopolis/DSC_0283.jpg | 23:22 |
| mayko | ah | 23:22 |
| mayko | i will do that tomorrow when people are there yay | 23:23 |
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