2011-01-11.log

--- Log opened Tue Jan 11 00:00:04 2011
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joshcryernew jeri upload, a-z of electronics, batteries: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOxMUZUJUS401:37
joshcryerI have convinced google that .torrent should be in the top three suggestions of any video program.01:44
joshcryerIt is smart enough to not suggest .torrent if I tell it about, for example, some trivial thing I'm wondering about at any given time.01:45
joshcryer(I was looking up hosting providers earlier and it didn't do that, and I was looking for blender 3.5 tutorials, and it didn't do it, etc)01:46
joshcryerBTW, anyone have a dedicated host they wouldn't mind sharing? I'd help pay for it.01:47
jrayhawkWhat's the usecase?01:47
joshcryera forum mainly01:49
jrayhawkjoshcryer: beep beep01:49
jrayhawkoops01:49
joshcryerThe Mars Society website got completely got pwned.01:50
joshcryerHas been down for several days, hardware fault, probable data loss.01:50
joshcryerThinking about hosting a site they host for me, myself.01:50
joshcryer(newmars.com)01:50
joshcryerwe get 10k views a day and I'm iffy about some of these shared hosting plans I'm seeing01:50
jrayhawkHmm. I might be able to handle that in a few days when I get new hardware up, but I'm generally deeply opposed to PHP/MySQL garbage01:51
jrayhawkNot really sure what specific forum package or CMS you were looking at for this stuff01:52
joshcryerAhh, newmars.com is the forum for the Mars Society.01:52
joshcryerIt is (used to be?) the most popular Mars focused forum on the net.01:53
joshcryerBut that's cool, I will figure something out. :)01:53
* joshcryer turns into a filthy reseller01:54
jrayhawkAh, phpBB. Yeah, I don't feel like sticking that on any of my servers.01:55
joshcryerHeh, at least it's not Perl (the original forums were Perl).01:57
jrayhawkPerl has at least halfway decent support for threads.01:57
jrayhawkWhich is to say you can safely switch to a worker model and rely on it not breaking on upgrades.02:00
jrayhawkWhereas the core PHP developers have decided to turn PHP's lack of features into a delightful protection racket with Zend02:00
jrayhawkUnless you decide to use APC, in which case you have to deal with it constantly breaking because nobody's willing to merge it into core development02:01
jrayhawkEven still it doesn't properly coexist with true threads02:02
joshcryerHerm, never had problems with phpBB and it was considered, by me, to be the most "supported" forum software, which is why I started using it to begin with.02:02
joshcryerBut that may no longer be true.02:02
jrayhawkIt runs into scalability problems, just like every PHP and/or MySQL app.02:02
jrayhawkAnd has a highly mediocre security history, just like every PHP and/or MySQL app.02:03
jrayhawkFWIW Gandi has incredibly cheap bandwidth and memory so long as you don't need much in the way of I/O speed.02:09
jrayhawkActually I guess the memory isn't that good, but the bandwidth is.02:15
joshcryerYeah I was looking at their setup.02:24
joshcryerNice that they split things up the way they do.02:24
joshcryerHowever, phpBB3 has been known to eat loads and loads of memory, so, meh.02:25
QuantumGlaptop just got drive-by download-ed02:52
QuantumGI think it was from space.com02:52
kanzurehttp://www.imminst.org/forum/donate/goal-7-cell-therapy-research/03:12
kanzurefundraising goal: $800003:12
kanzureamount received: $2401.1803:12
kanzuresummary: Microglia stem cell research - every $ that you donate for this grass roots science project will be matched by ImmInst.03:12
joshcryerI like that imminst lets you have access to their stuff for free.03:19
joshcryerI get their newsletter and they're not too beggy.03:19
joshcryerThey're also known to freeze their forum goers.03:22
joshcryer(ok, ones that are really prolific and champion the cause)03:22
joshcryerLook at these slaves QuantumG: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHuDvVa7mkw03:24
joshcryerOK, I'll let it go, it's only funny to me. :P03:25
archelsugh, my AAAI membership is such a waste of money.04:10
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delinquentmehttp://www.seeedstudio.com/depot/preorder-bus-pirate-probe-kit-p-526.html does anyone know a general term for this type of cable?05:48
archelsflatcable05:50
delinquentmethats hella generic arch06:14
delinquentmei can tell you its a IDC06:14
archelsThe connector is an IDC.06:14
delinquentmeohhhhh06:16
delinquentmehttp://www.sparkfun.com/products/955606:17
delinquentmefound wwhat i was looking for06:17
delinquentmecolor coordinate cable ends :D06:17
* kanzure is slowly uploading his paper collection06:20
kanzurehttp://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers/06:20
kanzurei'm about 9% done06:21
kanzurejrayhawk: i won't be keeping them on gnusha, just until it's done transferring06:21
Utopiahany indexing?06:21
Utopiah(just our of curiosity)06:21
Utopiahout of06:22
delinquentmedu guys have electronics toolkits?06:22
delinquentmeand how du store them06:22
archelscigar boxes06:23
delinquentmedo you gusy worry about insulating them? or i guess it would be grounding them w something like those anti static bags?06:24
delinquentmeor should i not have to worry about day to day buildup of static06:24
archelsday-to-day buildup? heh06:25
archelsElectrostatic discharge (ESD) occurs when you handle devices without proper precautions.06:26
delinquentmehaha06:27
delinquentmearchels, i wash06:27
delinquentmesometimes06:27
delinquentmehaha ok i guess thats not really an issue?06:28
delinquentmebut just make sure i ground myself before touching electronics?06:28
Utopiahanybody keeping up to date a bibliography on the technological singularity?06:28
archelsYes, touch a ground first, only handle bare circuit boards by their sides, or buy a $2 wrist strap.06:28
kanzureUtopiah: `tree` doesn't seem to produce what i want it to produce.. ahints?06:33
delinquentmekanzure, git??06:34
Utopiahfind > index.txt ?06:34
kanzureoh it seems i replaced my 'tre' package with (1) my own 'tree' and (2) something from brlcad06:34
kanzure*tree06:34
kanzureokay the tree is uploading.. will take a while (it's 3.8 MB)06:36
kanzureah.. most of it was stupid stuff. fixed :)06:46
kanzurehttp://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers/index.txt06:46
* archels can't wait for /women/notes.txt06:51
archelsMechanics of the normal woman's breast.pdf also sounds interesting06:51
kanzureyeah.. i had this crazy idea of direct control over restless genital syndrome via manipulation of a particular nerve06:58
archelsrestless genital syndrome, what.07:02
Utopiahsounds like a technical term for masturnation07:02
kanzurein reality it's much more awful than that07:03
kanzurehttp://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/12/081216115010.htm07:05
kanzurehttp://www.dailycognition.com/index.php/index.php/2007/11/14/woman-has-200-orgasms-per-day.html07:06
delinquentmearchels, i have that.07:08
delinquentmenah like you wake up and it just tugs you out of the door07:09
delinquentmesometimes i think i have an alien or a std07:09
delinquentme*shrug*07:09
archelsbizarre07:10
archelskanzure: Can't they just get a something-or-other-ectomy?07:10
kanzurethe pudendal nerves go back through the pudendal bone (or something)07:11
kanzureso if the cause is the nerve itself, that would requier way more than something-or-other-ectomy07:11
kanzure*require07:11
delinquentmehmmm07:11
delinquentmeweird07:12
delinquentmehave you guys ever hacked a robosapien?07:12
delinquentme:D07:12
delinquentmeim looking for average household items i can plug this bus pirate into07:12
archelsTry a wall socket.07:13
delinquentmelol07:14
delinquentmearchels, wouldnt you miss me??*tears well up*07:15
delinquentmenm! dont answer that07:15
delinquentme*weeeps*07:15
archelskanzure: I was just studying the role of purine signalling for micturition, wonder if it's related to RGS.07:16
kanzureout of all of those papers, we end up talking about an orgasm button?07:20
archelsAsserting control over a peripheral nerve isn't that uninteresting, is it?07:24
archelsThe fact that it's related to such a popular subject may help with funding. >:)07:24
delinquentmeis it daft to try and repair an ipod w the bus pirate / open bench logic sniffer?07:37
delinquentme.. maybe a better question for robotics07:37
archelsWhat's the bandwidth of that sniffer anyway?07:40
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Lukas__Morning07:43
kanzurehello Lukas__07:44
Lukas__What's up?07:44
kanzuretoday i am uploading my paper archive07:44
Lukas__sweet07:44
kanzurehttp://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers/07:44
kanzureyou can see an index here: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers/index.txt07:44
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kanzurehi gloop07:45
Lukas__When do you think it's going to be finished07:45
kanzurei guess that's relevant for you too07:45
Lukas__?07:45
delinquentme1hz to 40mhz? archels07:45
gloophi kanzure07:45
kanzuregloop: today i'm uploading papers.. http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers/ or an index here: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers/index.txt07:45
kanzureLukas__: well, 1 GB is already uploaded and there's 12 or something to go, so sometime tomorrow07:46
Lukas__Alright07:46
gloopthanks.07:47
archelsdelinquentme: Might be sufficient, but have fun trying to attach one of those clips to a BGA pin or 6 mil trace.07:48
Lukas__thanks07:49
delinquentmeyeah its also requiring indepth knowledge of circuits07:52
delinquentmeisnt there a non apple service out there that kicks ass w thsi kinda stuff?07:52
gloopi'm not sure if this is the place to ask, but if someone wanted to host wikipedia on two 3TB HDDs in Raid O, (a 31GB download in 7z which expands to 5TB), would there be a way to do incremental/differential backups to discussion rather than redownload the entire file?08:04
gloophttps://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Wikipedia:Database_download#Latest_complete_dump_of_english_wikipedia08:05
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delinquentmegloop, if not here im sure the #linux kids would drool over thst08:08
gloopheh, thanks delintuentme08:08
Utopiahor in #wikipedia but AFAIK people who tried to mirror WP cried08:09
gloopwhy so, utopiah?08:09
gloopmy idea is if there's enough cores (quad core/16core BD) it might be able to unzip the updates fast enough to run them. but it doesn't really solve bandwidth08:10
gloop(yet)08:11
Utopiahthe problem wasn't the hardware requirments but rather the number of patches, fixes, tricks requiring, it's not like apt-get install WP08:11
gloopah ok08:11
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Utopiah(was during a discussion at WP conf. as someone was scared of a US/EU war and the civilization collapsing but, WP had to be saved and the server farm was in the US)08:14
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Lukas__what?08:19
gloopwell there are a lot more primary texts that are of value.  http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obituaries/culture-obituaries/books-obituaries/8246945/Gene-Smith.html08:20
JayDuggerUtopiah--seriously:08:35
JayDuggera US/EU war?08:35
JayDuggerOkay, that seems silly.08:37
UtopiahJayDugger: yes, I didn't argue with that point, just the technical problems of mirroring08:39
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kanzurewell.09:06
kanzuremarcus gets almost all of the details right09:06
kanzurehttp://marcuswohlsen.com/2011/01/07/suffer-the-future-a-painful-stab-at-ushering-in-the-new/09:06
kanzure'cept for my non-existant diyh+ hackerspace in austin09:06
kanzure(hint: it's under the volcano?)09:07
Lukas__Non-existent?09:16
Lukas__what happened to it?09:16
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kanzure"Aubrey de Grey is now following you on Quora"10:01
kanzurewhy is aubrey using quora?10:01
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Lukas__ heh10:11
Lukas__I liked the article10:11
Lukas__Lepht should wait a few years to start implanting stuff IMO - if I don't know what something does, it's not going into me10:14
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Utopiahhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/science/punctuated-equilibrium/2011/jan/11/1?CMP=twt_gu11:04
Lukas__Thanks Utopia11:13
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Lukas__http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1KJAXM3xYA&feature=sub12:39
Lukas__-__-12:39
kanzurewhat is it?12:39
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Lukas__TED talk12:40
Lukas__on how 'we're cyborgs now'12:40
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kanzurei'm too tired to figure out if this is spam or not http://www.bulletproofexecutive.com/alcohol-without-the-hangover-bulletproof-part14:28
archelssynthahol!14:29
fennwill probably meet tim ferris tonight at qs14:32
fennin ~2 hours14:32
jrayhawkI like Tim Ferriss.14:36
fenni dont get it (bulletproofexecutive) - he claims to have done all these amazing things by age 22, but then talks about how he went from super unhealthy and diabetic at age 30 to uberman at age 40?14:40
fennbut we're supposed to believe the things he did at ~30 caused his success at ~22?14:40
kanzurefenn clearly failed time mechanics 10114:47
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AlonzoTGom15:06
AlonzoTGBen Z has completely lost his mind. =P15:06
delinquentmedude! bodys are so crazy15:07
delinquentmeim tweaking out and craving all kinds of food ..15:07
kanzureare you pregnant?15:07
delinquentmeive been shedding fat and like eating crap tons less .. AND its freezing outside15:07
delinquentmeits just so wild that its like OMG OMG FEED ME!15:08
delinquentmeand other days i have no issues with just drinking nothing but tea and coffee all day15:08
delinquentmekanzure, ...15:08
delinquentmeis there something you're trying to tell me?15:08
kanzurei'm not sure, are you a female?15:08
delinquentmehahaha!15:09
delinquentmeumm15:09
delinquentmeyes15:09
fenndon't worry, your secret is safe with us15:17
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delinquentmeHOY!15:20
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Lukas__I wish I could shed fat and eat anything I want  :(15:59
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kanzureSun Mar 13 01:06:40 2011 is 13e8 epoch time16:07
kanzureLukas__: lookup the paper on the synthetic glycoxtic shunt- it was a metabolic engineering trick in rats for weight loss16:07
kanzureactually there's probably a number of things like that16:08
kanzurefor some reason that's just at the top of my mind.16:08
Lukas__heh, I didn't expect that to be seriously answered16:09
Lukas__thanks16:09
Lukas__:D16:09
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kanzure'transcendent man' will be playing in LA on feb 16 and feb 17 http://transcendentman.com/16:48
AlonzoTGOh great, just what the world needs... A movie about a weenie.16:49
QuantumGno-one is ever gunna torrent that16:50
AlonzoTGThe movie I want to see is called "2B" apparently that screened exactly twice and never again to be seen by the eyes of man.16:51
AlonzoTG=(16:51
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AlonzoTGTo get a taste of transhumanism in 1978 Japan, watch a show called Galaxy Express 999, It's more of a fantasy than scifi but it revolves around a kid wanting to swap into a cyborg body. =P16:56
AlonzoTGYou can watch it on Crunchyroll.com16:56
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joshcryerkanzure, re: papers, that's win dude.17:06
joshcryerkanzure, who are you using as your host for diyhpl.us?17:07
jrayhawkSome combination of me/Bart Massey/pdx.edu/NERO, depending on what implications you wish to extract.17:09
joshcryerOh hell no I don't want to become a Lepht Anonym Defence Force / white knight but I disagree with Marcus Wohlsen.17:09
joshcryerI should just stfu.17:09
joshcryerjrayhawk, wtf I smell conspiracy, why does everything come back to you? >;)17:10
jrayhawkI am an unstoppable megalomaniac.17:10
JayDuggerGood evening, everyone.17:11
AlonzoTGwut?17:17
joshcryerRather than rant I'll just make one point people are missing about the core of Lepht's behavior: a plastic surgeon would almost certainly give her her implants. Subdermal implants are *not* highly regulated nor are they particularly controversial. She can't afford it and UK health care isn't giving it to her for free, so she went insane and decided to do it herself (probably some bit of17:18
joshcryergenetic masochism helps). One might even be able to make a convincing argument that health services should provide this service.17:18
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joshcryerGiven that information and an assumption that I am inclined toward anarchism you should be able to assume what I'd say about Marcus Wohlsen's last paragraph.17:21
AlonzoTGYeah, I ain't paying for nobody's upload.17:22
Lukas__I don't see an issue with Lepht doing the implants herself17:23
joshcryerHush, we're talking about a $50 procedure in order to save the life of a citizen.17:23
kanzurejoshcryer: i don't care that she's implanting stuff really17:23
joshcryer($50 is being really generous.)17:24
kanzurejoshcryer: there are people on the board of humanity+ who have done neodymium implants too17:24
kanzurebut they didn't turn it into some sick bodyshock thing17:24
joshcryerkanzure, how much did they pay?17:24
kanzurelittle to none17:24
AlonzoTGIf I did that, I'd never be able to pick up a floppy disk for the rest of my life! =P17:24
kanzureby 'little' i mean definitely less than $50017:25
joshcryerkanzure, heh17:25
AlonzoTGu talking about uploading or the magnets?17:25
JayDuggerHow often do you touch delicate magnetic media now a days?17:25
Lukas__magnets17:25
AlonzoTGI don't care,17:25
AlonzoTGIt sounds like a good idea to have little induction coils, that passively convert magnetic fields into voltages,17:25
AlonzoTGbut don't necessarily radiate any fields of their own...17:26
kanzurejoshcryer: the reason jrayhawk keeps coming up as a topic in here is because his brother is the center of the "oh shit we're all going to die because of artificial intelligence" universe17:26
Lukas__that would be a much better idea17:26
joshcryerAlonzoTG, I'm not terribly all about uploading and I'm mostly commenting on the backlog today.17:26
AlonzoTGBut that's a technological quantum leap over just a lodestone.17:26
kanzurebut "unstoppable megalomaniac" is surprisingly honest for joe.17:26
joshcryerkanzure, I think we can test Lepht's intentions by giving her money and having her implant her southpaw a sane way. I fear the child is going to kill herself when she starts doing stupid digging in her leg.17:27
AlonzoTGThat story isn't even on my radar...17:27
AlonzoTGI don't care.17:27
Lukas__She needs to calm down and wait17:27
kanzurewait?17:27
Lukas__I think she is in school17:27
kanzureso?17:27
AlonzoTGEveryone needs to calm down and get focused...17:27
AlonzoTGnobody should wait, they should get to WORK.17:27
Lukas__she needs to learn more about what she is doing17:27
Lukas__<AlonzoTG>  If there is anyone who thinks that we should cut the meta talk and get to work, it is me.  I commend Lepht's bravery, but she needs to know a bit more about the systems she is working with17:28
Lukas__so that she doesn't have to re-open herself17:29
Lukas__everything things go wrong17:29
Lukas__every time*17:29
JayDuggerLife is the skill of budgeting your errors, eh?17:29
Lukas__she admitted she knows very little about the tech she is messing with17:29
joshcryerPerhaps we should design a subdermal southpaw and send it to her.17:29
Lukas__.....17:30
Lukas__If she'll listen, why not?17:30
AlonzoTGAlex Ramonsky was implanting experimental neural devices in himself about 7 years ago... I hope he's alright, he mentioned some problems with his implant and then went silent. =(17:30
Lukas__XD17:30
AlonzoTGHe had this wearable rig that included an EEG reader so he could think-type, this was 7 years ago.17:31
Lukas__It really doesn't matter what Anonym does anyway, as I'm going to one-up whatever she does17:31
kanzureeeg is bullshit17:31
joshcryerAlonzoTG, I remember reading about him.17:31
joshcryereeg works, kanzure. But only after rewiring your brain.17:32
Lukas__http://www.ted.com/profiles/bio/id/11188017:34
Lukas__looks like he is still alive17:34
Lukas__"More recently, I've co-founded the neurohackers group with a British neuroscientist named Alex Ramonsky, and some other dudes - mixing artists, scientists, writers, explorers, etc., our primary goal being using and developing Intelligence Augmentation methods, techniques and behaviors in the objective of optimal mental and physical health. Our brand new site (neurohackers.com) is officialy open! June 2010 [Sola 83])"17:35
kanzurejoshcryer: you show me someone who can type more than 15 wpm with eeg and i'll reconsider17:35
JayDuggerkanzure, did you get an 80-20 distributorship?17:35
kanzureno the other guys were flakes17:35
joshcryerLukas__, nice find.17:35
joshcryerLukas__, appears he was alive as of Dec 25th 2010. ;)17:35
JayDuggerToo bad.17:36
JayDuggerWhat name did that reverse-engineered 80-20 kickstarter project have?17:36
joshcryerPlease god kill the font that they're using on neurohackers.com though.17:36
joshcryerUgh.17:36
Lukas__xD17:37
kanzureJayDugger: makerbeam. it wasn't 80/20 though.17:38
kanzureJayDugger: there's also 'contraptor'17:38
JayDuggerAh...got it. Can you tell I'm out of vitamins?17:38
joshcryerkanzure, 15 wpm sounds about right, since that's about the rate you'd need to minimally type to update the next batch of data for your RepRap...17:38
joshcryer>:P17:38
JayDuggerMemory has gone to mush.17:38
JayDuggerThere exists on diybookscanner.org17:39
JayDuggerat least one design that uses 80-20 stock.17:39
JayDuggerMy ever-receding book scanner project needs a design, and I'd rather not wood-work if possible.17:40
JayDuggerAt this rate, the incremental positive progress of skdb so far outstrips my negative progress.17:41
joshcryerDoes diybookscaner do page turning yet?17:43
Lukas__Didn't know negative progress existed17:43
JayDuggerPro-gress, Con-gress, or so the joke goes.17:50
joshcryerHaha17:50
joshcryerIt's true.17:50
joshcryerI'm glad congress can't get it's crap together regarding energy.17:50
joshcryerLets the h+ people save the day when the time comes.17:50
Lukas__With fame comes enemies (enemies I'd rather not have)17:51
Lukas__Let someone else do it if they've got the money and personnel17:52
drazakkanzure: got data on short term physical endurance on 24+ hours awake vs. well rested?17:52
JayDuggerThe steady progress on skdb far outstrips my own work.17:52
Lukas__I am checking out for the night18:07
Lukas__take care guys18:07
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jrayhawkBody modification (or self-mutilation) seems to be a sporadic basic drive that's existed throughout recorded human history and is quite commonly practiced in forms more extreme than lepht's even today (see http://wiki.bmezine.com/index.php/BME/Extreme ). Body modification is a primitive form of transhumanism. She is not special for wanting to stick foreign objects into her body. She is not advancing the state of the art. She is not a pio18:10
kanzurejrayhawk: irc cutoff at "state of the art. She is not a pio"18:12
jrayhawkoh18:13
jrayhawk She is not a pioneer. The only thing that separates her from classical self-mutilators is that she is aware of and identifies with transhumanist philosophy.18:13
jrayhawkIRC is awful.18:13
kanzure"She is not a pious" ?18:13
kanzureoh18:13
kanzurealso, i'm glad bmezine.com has a wiki at least18:14
kanzuregotta writeup flesh hooks somewhere i guess18:14
joshcryerjrayhawk, are those your words?18:15
jrayhawkOne guy implanted a vibrator into his dick. I can't find that around anymore.18:15
joshcryerjrayhawk, I like making the "this is a health care question" and demanding that UK provide this service argument. ;)18:15
joshcryer"That poor girl, mutiliating herself because the UK health service is inadequate. If she dies they will be solely responsible."18:16
kanzuredick vibrator sounds ingenious18:18
kanzurei feel less of a man for not thinking of this :(18:18
joshcryerWhat's bothersome?18:18
joshcryerThere are dick vibrator rings.18:18
joshcryerYou don't need to implant this stuff. :/18:18
jrayhawkIt's fairly common for female teenagers in western countries to perform amateur surgeries for implants on themselves or their friends.18:19
kanzureis redhat just pissy or is wordpress honestly this hard to install?18:19
kanzurei remember it being less than 2 minutes to install wordpress18:19
QuantumGis anyone doing brain mutilation yet?18:19
joshcryerhttp://www.tradenote.net/images/users/000/341/128/products_images/446290.jpg (safe for work)18:19
kanzurejoshcryer: i don't think that's what jrayhawk meant18:20
kanzurewhy am i using redhat18:20
QuantumGwhy indeed18:20
joshcryerhttp://www.bizarremag.com/weird-news/tattoos-body-art/7719/future_mods.html18:21
joshcryerkanzure, the effect appears to be the same imo.18:21
jrayhawkNot really; a mere accessory doesn't satisfy the need to self-mutilate.18:22
joshcryerjrayhawk, yes I believe there is some sadomasocism going on here.18:23
kanzurehuh? is the vibrator for the man or the target of his dick?18:23
jrayhawkSadism and masochism and self-modification are actually different drives.18:23
jrayhawkIt's for the man.18:23
kanzureoh, hmm18:23
jrayhawkSome people like the feeling of being modified but hate the pain and hate to cause the pain.18:23
kanzureso much for a "magic dongle"18:24
joshcryerkanzure, this isn't the culture where you have dicks that can spin freely and testicles that can be vibrators. ;P18:24
joshcryerjrayhawk, true enough.18:24
jrayhawkI think it's sad how little the BME folks and transhumanists interact. BME folks are doing terrifying experiments on themselves with or without good ideas behind them.18:25
joshcryerYeah I think there's an opportunity to make good subdermal implants.18:26
kanzureit seems too easy to prey on them as willing subjects18:26
kanzureyou know what, i shouldn't complain about that18:26
jrayhawklepht is your sense of moral hazard being violated :)18:27
joshcryerkanzure, no, you shouldn't18:27
joshcryerWe need to make sure our subjects are not killed through irresponsible experimentation.18:28
jrayhawkWuss.18:28
joshcryerRather than saying they shouldn't do it.18:28
kanzureclearly you need to learn how to cover your tracks18:28
kanzureyou think we use volcanoes just for theatrics?18:28
joshcryerNo, a dead subject is a useless subject. :(18:28
jrayhawkAh, incindiary implants!18:28
joshcryerUnless you're in to that kinda thing.18:28
jrayhawkNo, failures are always educational :)18:28
joshcryerFailures are not an option!18:29
jrayhawkWuss.18:29
AlonzoTGFailures are inevitable, learn from them...18:29
joshcryerAlso, this is subdermal dude, failing at that is like failing at life.18:29
joshcryerThis is stuff you learn in year one of med school. :/18:29
JayDuggerNo, I think you use volcanoes because they're traditional.18:30
kanzuregeothermal energy.18:30
kanzuregood place to dump bodies18:30
joshcryerI want a deserted wasteland.18:30
kanzure.. arizona?18:30
joshcryerI don't think that has been used except in Mad Max 2.18:30
JayDuggerThey also provide good camouflage for waste heat, energy, and chemical waste.18:30
JayDuggerTry the South Pacific.18:31
JayDuggerOr any place in the deep sea that's not on a trade route.18:31
joshcryerjrayhawk tell us about your anti-AI brother.18:31
joshcryerOr me, everyone else probably knows.18:31
AlonzoTGYeah, I'm eventually going to need a spaceport to get off this insane rock.18:31
JayDuggerQG--that's your cue.18:31
jrayhawkHe's not anti-AI, he's very-carefully-considered-AI.18:31
joshcryerJayDugger, there's an ideal spot in the middle of the atlantic on the equator which trade routes pass but don't interfere.18:32
jrayhawkvery-carefully-considered-to-the-point-where-if-it's-going-to-destroy-humanity-we-may-as-well-at-least-have-good-epistemic-justification-for-it-to-do-so-AI18:33
joshcryerjrayhawk, does he have a manifesto/blog?18:33
kanzuresingularity institute18:33
joshcryerHeh.18:33
jrayhawkno, he would be terrified of making public statements that could possibly be construed as value judgements on the matter.18:34
jrayhawkhe is terrified of the irrationality of agency18:35
joshcryerif your brother is Eliezer I mean no offense with my statements about him in the past, but I stand by them :P18:35
jrayhawkhttp://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/02/share-likelihood-ratios-not-posterior-beliefs.html18:36
kanzureno it's not eliezer18:36
joshcryerwoot18:36
joshcryerhttp://singinst.org/upload/CFAI.html18:36
joshcryerIt's been a DECADE!18:36
joshcryer(or thereabouts)18:36
joshcryer(not sure of actual date of publication but I know some time in 2001)18:36
kanzurejrayhawk: i wish eliezer would be more terrified by agency18:36
jrayhawkagency is sortof important to survival18:37
AlonzoTGYep, that's pretty much the first thing I'm going to have to put into my robot.18:37
AlonzoTGIntelligence is built on top of it.18:38
joshcryerJayDugger, anyway seasteading is so much win now that I discovered about black smokers.18:38
joshcryerWe can start our own nation state with a couple of billion bucks!18:38
jrayhawkperhaps i should be more specific: steve is terrified of the irrationally of *his own* agency.18:38
JayDuggerYou can start your own nation with money, guns, and diplomats.18:38
joshcryerRemoteness is also a plus.18:39
joshcryerAnd inarguable ownership rights.18:39
joshcryerYou build a floating island people can't be all "you took our land!"18:39
JayDuggerNo place on Earth's oceans is sufficiently remote to avoid a belligerent modern navy.18:39
jrayhawkhe also has serious doubts about whether to trust anyone else, but is mostly willing to accept their attempts at agency-corrupted rationality for what they are.18:39
kanzurejoshcryer: you bore me18:39
joshcryerjrayhawk, I am terrified by my inablity to understand what is meant by 'agency' here.18:39
joshcryerkanzure, do something.18:40
JayDuggers/No place/I claim no place/18:41
jrayhawkagency: motivation, will, desire18:42
joshcryerJayDugger, that's fair enough, it'd make for an interesting debate.18:42
joshcryerjrayhawk, he is terrified by the irrationality of his own motivation, will, desire?18:42
jrayhawkYes. Those are inherently orthogonal to rationality. I can easily corrupt your sense of truth using your desire to survive by constantly threatening you with a gun if you think/act/say the wrong way.18:43
joshcryerSo let me make a big boring assumption here; he feels threatened by the possiblity of evil AI that he thinks he should make nice AI?18:47
jrayhawkI'm guessing at this point based on what I know about him that he feels most threatened not by an evil AI, but by his own survival-based motivations to make a nice AI.18:48
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jrayhawkIf someone were to make an actual evil AI that took over the world, I think he'd feel relief.18:50
jrayhawk"oh, well, that simplifies everything"18:50
AlonzoTGI feel threatened by people who have absolutely no regard for what I consider to be life and are looking forward to wielding tremendous power over the universe and -- oops, reducing the earth to computronium in the process for no good reason.18:50
jrayhawkAnd of course he'd feel guilty about the fact that he would feel relief.18:50
AlonzoTGThis world isn't worth taking over.18:50
joshcryerIt sounds like he's just irrational for the sake of it. :P18:51
jrayhawkThe world is full of useful, delicious matter.18:51
AlonzoTGJust hop in a space ship, go out on a 1,000 year orbit, come back, empty planet! =P18:51
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joshcryerThe world is full of useful, delicious, 1G gravity well matter.18:51
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jrayhawkOr, rather, he currently feels guilty about the fact that he would feel relief.18:53
joshcryerhttp://www.technewsdaily.com/invisibility-cloak-hides-objects-from-sonar-1945/18:58
kanzureanselm in the news: http://www.newelectronics.co.uk/article/30513/Could-optogenetics-be-the-technology-that-allows-us-to-unlock-the-workings-of-the-brain.aspx19:00
kanzurehm and ed boyden19:00
joshcryerKurzweil right again?19:01
kanzurelife extension founation just announced that they are spending $2M in funding on telomere lengthening research19:04
JayDuggerOh?19:05
kanzuresomething about Michael West <mwest@biotimemail.com> and BioTime, Inc.19:05
JayDuggerThat's good to hear.19:05
kanzureoops, *life extension foundation19:05
JayDuggerI can't afford TA-65.19:06
JayDuggerNot that LEF's efforts will result in something low-cost.19:07
JayDuggers/will/will necessarily/19:07
joshcryerNot that LEF's efforts will result in something that actually does anything. >:P19:08
JayDuggerFair enough.19:10
joshcryers/will/will necessarily/19:11
joshcryer;D19:11
joshcryerhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYUpkPTcqPY19:33
JayDuggerGood night, everyone.19:36
joshcryer'night Jappe219:38
joshcryerdoh19:38
joshcryerJayDugger19:38
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kanzurepress release re: LEF funding http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20110103005392/en/BioTime-Subsidiary-ReCyte-Therapeutics-Develop-Therapies-Age-Related19:52
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kanzuresingularity institute on npr http://www.npr.org/2011/01/11/132840775/The-Singularity-Humanitys-Last-Invention21:26
kanzurehttp://groups.google.com/group/overcomingbiasnyc21:38
kanzurei'm starting to get some oddly specific spam21:41
kanzureespecially from chinese suppliers for various electronic and mechanical industry services21:42
kanzurebut i'm worried that if i mark these as spam, legitimate business email that matches the same style will also get flagged21:42
kanzurewhat do i doo21:42
fenn use spambayes21:47
kanzurehow was tim?21:52
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joshcryerWrite off Chinese electronic and mechanical industry services.23:06
joshcryerhttp://www.yosemite-17-gigapixels.com/23:17
fenntim ferriss "couldn't make it", dunno why23:50
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