| --- Log opened Mon Jan 17 00:00:52 2011 | ||
| timschmidt | jesus. every goddamn thing I upload to thingiverse doesn't render | 00:08 |
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| timschmidt | we can't get an alternative running fast enough | 00:08 |
| joshcryer | Wage slaves are not necessarily "dedicated to the rat race." | 00:10 |
| joshcryer | It's more that wage slaves are less likely to commit their time and energy to empty causes that increase their responsiblity with no tangible near term returns. | 00:11 |
| timschmidt | kanzure: progress has been made with stl2pov | 00:50 |
| timschmidt | I've got it spitting whatever text I want into the pov files, and keeping track of min/max vertices for viewport manipulation | 00:51 |
| timschmidt | I should have it automatically generating really nice renders of any STL you feed it tonight | 00:52 |
| joshcryer | timschmidt, cool dude. :D | 01:33 |
| joshcryer | timschmidt, did you switch to yafaray or are you using POV? | 02:00 |
| timschmidt | still using pov. yafaray is also not packaged for fedora | 02:02 |
| timschmidt | it should be easy to adapt it though | 02:08 |
| timschmidt | oh, it's part of blender... | 02:09 |
| timschmidt | let me check if it comes when I install it | 02:09 |
| joshcryer | I don't think it does. | 02:12 |
| timschmidt | :-/ | 02:14 |
| joshcryer | it's lgpl'd which is why I asked, I read that you didn't like POVs unfreeness | 02:15 |
| joshcryer | Not to distract you, I say get whatever works working. :D | 02:16 |
| timschmidt | No, I appreciate it | 02:23 |
| timschmidt | always willing to go through a little pain to work with Free software | 02:23 |
| mjr | Yeah, pov-ray's licensing is an inconvenient accident of history. It was pretty liberal for its time in the beginning, the free software movement wasn't as well developed | 02:40 |
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| Utopiah | mention of Bryan Bishop in the 1st french H+ conf ;) | 05:48 |
| archels | who? | 05:49 |
| Utopiah | kanzure | 05:49 |
| archels | I was joking :) | 05:50 |
| Lukas__ | Really? What was said? | 05:54 |
| Utopiah | it was to counter a AI-only view of transhumanism and to mention biohacking and "printing"/rapid prototypying | 05:58 |
| Lukas__ | That sounds about right | 05:59 |
| Lukas__ | I am trying to get my former high school chemistry teacher to start a hackerspace | 06:00 |
| timschmidt | excellent. Few can argue we're not already smarter than we used to be thanks to computers | 06:00 |
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| wrldpc2 | i need help identifying an encryption scheme based on the encrypted message | 06:19 |
| archels | It's ROT-13. | 06:20 |
| wrldpc2 | LOL!! | 06:20 |
| wrldpc2 | james? | 06:20 |
| wrldpc2 | It's not ROT-13 | 06:21 |
| wrldpc2 | no it's definitely not ROT-13 | 06:21 |
| wrldpc2 | it looks like a hash 696620796f752063616e20756e6465727374616e64207468697320636f707920616e6420706173746520746f20796f757220737461747573 | 06:22 |
| wrldpc2 | that's part of it | 06:22 |
| timschmidt | ROT-26? | 06:22 |
| wrldpc2 | >:| | 06:23 |
| wrldpc2 | it's not ROT! | 06:23 |
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| timschmidt | my favorite hash reversing algorithm (google) doesn't return anything | 06:27 |
| Lukas__ | that's impossible | 06:28 |
| Lukas__ | google knows all | 06:29 |
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| wrldpc2 | I broke them down into lines and still nothing | 06:30 |
| wrldpc2 | 696620796f752063616e20756e | 06:30 |
| wrldpc2 | produces nil | 06:30 |
| kanzure | wrldpc2: if you tell us the context or where you found it, it would help | 06:35 |
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| joshcryer | QuantumG, Mark Twain arguably predicted social networking. When I was in my 20s I predicted BitTorrent and thought that by now we'd have a distributed social network setup. Every time I'd hear about things like OpenID or Freenet I kept thinking someone had implemented it but every time their implementation was fail. | 06:48 |
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| wrldpc2 | James Clement posted it on my wall. | 07:01 |
| timschmidt | Kliment: I'm going to be AFK for a while, if elmom shows up, please ask him to email me, or ping me in #repsnapper | 07:07 |
| timschmidt | oops | 07:08 |
| timschmidt | sorry about that | 07:08 |
| kanzure | so, what's all this about using optogenetics to make worms squirm? wasn't anselm and even boyden showing off optogenetic control of mouse movement? | 08:04 |
| kanzure | i guess that was just a "run yes/no" behavioral thing | 08:04 |
| kanzure | timschmidt: what do you think about a standard for qr codes for open source hardware? obviously it shouldn't be anything too complex.. | 08:08 |
| kanzure | via mendeley.com.. http://altmetrics.org/manifesto/ for alternative metrics for filtering scholarly papers | 08:25 |
| kanzure | links from scienceonline 2011 https://scio11.wikispaces.com/Blog+and+Media+coverage | 08:29 |
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| kanzure | Extending Arxiv.org to Achieve Open Peer Review and Publishing.” http://arxiv.org/pdf/1011.6590v1 | 08:30 |
| kanzure | http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2011/01/neuron-culture-ebooks-open-science-and-bullshit-filters-at-scienceonline/ | 08:32 |
| kanzure | http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2010/10/how-to-set-the-bullshit-filter-when-the-bullshit-is-thick/ | 08:33 |
| kanzure | i wonder why conferences always take forever to post videos http://scienceonline2011.com/watch-live/ | 08:34 |
| kanzure | if they are streaming then they should be able to immediately post the videos | 08:34 |
| kanzure | http://arin.me/blog/wtf-is-a-supercolumn-cassandra-data-model | 08:35 |
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| kanzure | Lukas__: instead of posting links on your invisionboard why not use http://delicious.com/ or something? | 08:53 |
| Lukas__ | A) I didn't know about that website (thanks for the heads up and B) I didn't know you check the site | 08:55 |
| Lukas__ | I am still deciding whether to scrap it or not | 08:56 |
| Lukas__ | I probably will | 08:56 |
| Lukas__ | anyway, thanks | 08:56 |
| kanzure | i don't directly check your site but i do get notified when you update it. | 08:58 |
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| archels | kanzure: URL to Lukas__' site? | 09:36 |
| kanzure | http://z15.invisionfree.com/Self_Hack/ | 09:42 |
| archels | ty | 09:44 |
| archels | He sure is looking up to you, isn't he? "I urge you to be a [...] Bryan Bishop". | 09:45 |
| kanzure | ha kevin warwick? no thanks | 09:48 |
| archels | Warwick has street cred. | 09:51 |
| kanzure | http://academicearth.org/ seems to be an academic video aggregator | 10:02 |
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| kanzure | jrayhawk: gnusha still doesn't tweet commits | 14:27 |
| AlonzoTG1 | ?? | 14:45 |
| AlonzoTG1 | =\ | 14:45 |
| jrayhawk | Ugh. So much to do, so little motivation. | 14:57 |
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| --- Log opened Mon Jan 17 15:00:10 2011 | ||
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| kanzure | jrayhawk: is there any specific reason that htmlscrubber_skip wouldn't work in /etc/ikiwiki/piny/skdb.setup ? see http://ikiwiki.info/tips/embedding_content/ | 15:01 |
| jrayhawk | Do I even enable htmlscrubber? | 15:01 |
| kanzure | somehow some embed/object html elements are scrubbed | 15:02 |
| jrayhawk | huh, dopey me | 15:02 |
| jrayhawk | 'Enabled by default: yes' | 15:02 |
| jrayhawk | i see. | 15:02 |
| kanzure | but htmlscrubber_skip doesn't work? :/ | 15:02 |
| jrayhawk | Did you rebuild the CGI? | 15:03 |
| jrayhawk | or whatever it is you're editing through | 15:03 |
| kanzure | part of the problem might be that i don't know how to specify paths for htmlscrubber_skip (does it want ikiwiki-readable paths since doc/ is the index, or not?) | 15:03 |
| kanzure | i'm editing via a browser (for the preview capability) | 15:03 |
| kanzure | no i didn't rebuild the cgi | 15:03 |
| kanzure | how do i do thsi | 15:03 |
| kanzure | this | 15:03 |
| jrayhawk | Well, because Piny is managing everything, you probably want to add stuff to /etc/ikiwiki/piny/skdb.setup.pl and rebuildrepo skdb rather than editing /etc/ikiwiki/piny/skdb.setup and running sudo -u skdb-ikiwiki ikiwiki --setup /etc/ikiwiki/piny/skdb.setup --rebuild | 15:06 |
| jrayhawk | You probably want to add htmlscrubber to the list of disabled plugins. | 15:07 |
| jrayhawk | Are you familiar enough with Data Dumper and Perl data structures to do that? | 15:08 |
| kanzure | i don't want to disable htmlscrubber entirely, just for the specific page (i don't know what page this is since it's not even committed in the repository) | 15:09 |
| kanzure | yes i'm perl-compliant | 15:09 |
| jrayhawk | good, 'cause I hate working out what terrible combination of sigils accomplish what I want. | 15:10 |
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| kanzure | "This is the basis of Eugen's opposition to Friendly AI -- he sees it as a dictatorship that any one being should have so much responsibility." | 15:13 |
| kanzure | "Our position, on the other hand, is that one being will likely end up with a lot of responsibility whether or not we want it, and to maximize the probability of a favorable outcome, we should aim for a nice agent. " | 15:13 |
| kanzure | who uploaded adolf hitler, god damnit! we asked you not to do that! | 15:13 |
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| kanzure | jrayhawk: i think something is broken. | 15:22 |
| kanzure | rebuildrepo skdb -> replaced /srv/git/skdb.git/hooks/post-update; doesn't use doc/ as the ikiwiki root anymore, etc. | 15:22 |
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| kanzure | oh that's right, you're not using post-update any more, so that one is ok | 15:25 |
| kanzure | but ikiwiki root for skdb.git no longer shows up in skdb.setup | 15:25 |
| kanzure | hrm if you're not using post-update-ikiwiki then why does skdb.setup.pl say so? | 15:28 |
| kanzure | ikiwiki ignores that anyway. | 15:28 |
| kanzure | yeah this is just broken. | 15:28 |
| kanzure | jrayhawk: what's going onnn | 16:02 |
| kanzure | ah. syntax error. | 16:19 |
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| Lukas__ | Hail | 16:51 |
| kanzure | hello Lukas__ | 16:54 |
| Lukas__ | Is there anything important that I missed? | 16:55 |
| kanzure | fenn: http://gnusha.org/skdb/ | 16:55 |
| jrayhawk | uh. hmm. that should've succeeded in sending something to gnusha. What was the error message? | 16:57 |
| jrayhawk | oh, right post-update got replaced | 16:58 |
| jrayhawk | but it's post receive that matters.. | 16:59 |
| kanzure | error message was something about sockets | 17:00 |
| kanzure | same one as before.. | 17:00 |
| kanzure | also i closed the shell with the last error message so i can't copy/paste that one to you | 17:00 |
| gnusha | test | 17:02 |
| jrayhawk | ah, i am dumb. okay. | 17:02 |
| kanzure | test test | 17:02 |
| gnusha | DON'T PATRONIZE ME | 17:03 |
| QuantumG | TEST | 17:05 |
| QuantumG | check 1 check 1 2 | 17:05 |
| gnusha | I'VE HAD IT UP TO HERE WITH YOU GUYS | 17:05 |
| kanzure | noo don't make our bot leeeeave | 17:05 |
| QuantumG | you better check yourself before you wreck yourself | 17:05 |
| jrayhawk | IRC feels far more satisfying when it involves individual invocations of socat. | 17:06 |
| kanzure | jrayhawk: if you like raphaeljs you might also like three.js, spidergl.org, processingjs.org, moofx.mad4milk.net, plotkit.js, bluff.jcoglan.com, protovis, mochikit | 17:09 |
| kanzure | the prospects for lunar mining http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=11/01/17/2344231 | 17:38 |
| QuantumG | the comments are depressing | 17:41 |
| QuantumG | btw VBN 780 | 17:41 |
| QuantumG | grr | 17:41 |
| QuantumG | btw http://www.scirp.org/fileOperation/downLoad.aspx?path=Psych.20090100004_39584049.pdf&type=journal | 17:42 |
| kanzure | what is it? (besides a horrible link) | 17:42 |
| QuantumG | my summary: everyone overestimates their competency, except the highly competent - who underestimate their competency, or overestimate everyone else's. And people who are the least competent are incapable of even telling competent work from their own. | 17:43 |
| kanzure | i wonder how hard it would be to stop the planet from rotating | 17:44 |
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| QuantumG | Stephen Baxter proposed a process that would work on Earth.. as part of his story where the same was done to Venus billions of years ago. | 17:45 |
| QuantumG | basically a big motor in the magnetic field | 17:46 |
| kanzure | the dark side would probably get very cold- dunno how good the atmosphere is at heat insulation | 17:48 |
| kanzure | heh i'm trying to show a friend that the planet's rotation (day/night cycling) isn't what keeps the planet at a livable temperature | 17:49 |
| QuantumG | it's certainly a factor | 17:51 |
| kanzure | lol that's like saying the moon is cold because it has the wrong rate of rotation | 17:51 |
| QuantumG | the Moon is both hot and cold (by any sensible definitions of those words) | 17:52 |
| kanzure | *the moon has a cold side | 17:52 |
| QuantumG | at any given point | 17:53 |
| kanzure | yes the one presently exposed to the sun tends to be warmer :) | 17:53 |
| kanzure | "the one" w/e | 17:53 |
| QuantumG | the temperature of the Earth is predominately maintained by calcium deposits and plant life | 17:56 |
| QuantumG | the distance from the sun has to be right to get the calcium deposits (too far from Sun and they boil off at planet formation time), and rotation has to be right to make the environment benign enough for life to develop. | 17:59 |
| QuantumG | a magnetic field helps with the life development a lot too.. keeps a lot of volatiles from boiling off | 17:59 |
| joshcryer | Yeah those comments on the /. article are retarded. | 18:01 |
| joshcryer | Why do we want to stop the planet from rotating? | 18:04 |
| QuantumG | so you can get off | 18:06 |
| kanzure | also it's diabolical | 18:10 |
| kanzure | slightly more awesome than draining the gulf of mexico, annexing antarctica, nuking canada, etc. | 18:10 |
| joshcryer | It's easier to get off with it rotating. :( | 18:14 |
| kanzure | not quite as good as gephi but it's javascript, and does graph visualization http://arborjs.org/ | 18:21 |
| kanzure | http://blog.ponoko.com/2010/11/16/ten-rules-for-maker-businesses-by-wireds-chris-anderson-%E2%80%94-rule-1/ | 18:33 |
| kanzure | "maker businesses" ? | 18:33 |
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| jrayhawk | Do clouds reflect or absorb UV? | 19:02 |
| fenn | neither/both they scatter it | 19:03 |
| kanzure | "Bulgaria. The participation rate for women in these fields is slightly higher than for men: 7.8 percent of the female college-age cohort obtained an NS&E degree in Bulgaria in 1992; 7.2 percent of males in this age group obtained such a degree in that same year." | 19:03 |
| kanzure | "In 1992, women obtained 57 percent of all university degrees. In addition, they obtained half of the engineering degrees, 70 percent of the natural science degrees, and 73 percent of the mathematics and computer science degrees. These percentages have not changed since 1975 (Stretenova, 1994)." | 19:03 |
| kanzure | via http://anitaborg.org/files/womenhightechworld.pdf | 19:03 |
| kanzure | http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2111755 | 19:03 |
| jrayhawk | So does water vaporization dampen or amplify UV energy absorbtion of the earth as a whole? | 19:06 |
| jrayhawk | I guess there's a distinction to be drawn between vaporized water and clouds; both absorb IR on its way out, but only one seems to do significant scattering | 19:11 |
| jrayhawk | of UV coming in | 19:12 |
| kanzure | http://www.scivee.tv/node/17535 Ed Boyden: Optically Engineering the Brain to Augment Its Function | 19:41 |
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| fenn | clouds reduce the amount of UV coming in | 19:50 |
| CryptoQuick | so does the ozone :V | 19:59 |
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| kanzure | annnd we're back http://diyhpl.us:9000/random | 20:47 |
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| JayDugger | de-lurk | 20:54 |
| JayDugger | Now this (http://up-ship.com/blog/?p=8466) is why I want skdb: a dream home with a three-vehicle hangar. | 20:55 |
| JayDugger | lurk | 20:55 |
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| kanzure | JayDugger: you missed http://gnusha.org/skdb/ | 20:56 |
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| kanzure | so, i'm doing a rough draft of theuncertainfuture.com done in javascript | 21:42 |
| kanzure | right now in the java version a user clicks and then the graph is updated, and disregards your mouse movements while your mouse is clicked/down | 21:42 |
| kanzure | is that desirable behavior, or would graphs that update as you drag your mouse around be more desirable? | 21:43 |
| jrayhawk | Is this for moving around the viewport? | 21:59 |
| kanzure | no, for manipulating the curves | 22:06 |
| kanzure | i'd tell you to just look at the site but it requires java and nobody should be subjected to that | 22:07 |
| jrayhawk | I'm willing to run it manually if there's a convenient means of doing so. | 22:07 |
| jrayhawk | press-to-drag release-to-release is more whiz-bang but otherwise not particularly less functional. | 22:08 |
| kanzure | jrayhawk: gnusha:/srv/git/uncertainfuture.git check out web/ | 22:08 |
| kanzure | there's a few .jar files | 22:08 |
| kanzure | if only i could remember how to manually run java jars | 22:08 |
| jrayhawk | -jar, but I don't really know how to invoke multiple | 22:08 |
| kanzure | javac to compile.. jnlps are for "java webstart" | 22:08 |
| kanzure | ? java -jar /usr/share/java/netx.jar -jnlp | 22:10 |
| kanzure | cool that worked | 22:10 |
| kanzure | java -jar /usr/share/java/netx.jar -jnlp web/UfApplet.jnlp | 22:11 |
| kanzure | this should do it too: /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/bin/javaws web/UfApplet.jnlp | 22:12 |
| kanzure | try out tab Q3 | 22:13 |
| kanzure | see how you have to click a lot? the alternative i'm thinking of is more like http://raphaeljs.com/ichart.html | 22:15 |
| kanzure | holy crap http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramstein_airshow_disaster | 22:29 |
| kanzure | what's with all the random merges? http://diyhpl.us/cgit/skdb/log/ | 22:56 |
| jrayhawk | ugh, ikiwiki probably broke | 22:58 |
| jrayhawk | 10 days ago, huh? i wonder who caused that | 22:59 |
| kanzure | how is there no commit history on this file? https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/skdb/log/index.mdwn | 23:00 |
| kanzure | this commit/merge is huge da5ab4f1260637998f02e3bdc417a4ed20177ff7 | 23:01 |
| jrayhawk | because it's under doc/, and I guess we need to change the setup to point at it | 23:01 |
| kanzure | ack i didn't even notice these spurious merges in my local repo | 23:03 |
| * kanzure sleeps (or at least pretends to try to sleep) | 23:03 | |
| kanzure | ah, you're right about it being under doc/ - i was prolly using a "History" link from gnusha.org/skdb/ | 23:05 |
| jrayhawk | I probably fixed that. | 23:13 |
| kanzure | should i clean up the spurious merges or do you want to | 23:13 |
| jrayhawk | Do they matter? | 23:13 |
| kanzure | it doesn't look like they are useful | 23:13 |
| kanzure | unless you can posit some reason for their existence | 23:13 |
| kanzure | wait wait, i'm sleeping >:o | 23:14 |
| jrayhawk | Eh, I don't really see need to care about them. Getting properly rid of them will be troublesome, though, since rebuildrepo doesn't do anything significant to the clone ikiwiki leaves lying around. | 23:17 |
| jrayhawk | I guess you've never really had any sort of fear of digging yourself deeper, so what the hell, go wild. | 23:21 |
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