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| archels | ``I don’t deny that if one is able to believe in a loving god, it might be comforting. Especially to someone who is, in Darwinian terms, sexually unattractive, and gets no human partner, so remains unloved [...]'' | 04:47 |
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| archels | lol (Hugo DeGaris) | 04:47 |
| Twerpling | Thats kinda brutal | 05:07 |
| uniqanomaly_ | i guess 'he, she & jesus' may be projection of gay fantasy | 05:12 |
| uniqanomaly_ | or just watching someones girl with someone else | 05:13 |
| uniqanomaly_ | haha | 05:13 |
| uniqanomaly_ | i dunno why Hugo deGaris havent just cut it to 'loving god is for idiots' | 05:15 |
| kanzure | lame/boring | 05:54 |
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| kanzure | heh a synthetic biology company called 'GeneWorks' | 08:30 |
| kanzure | oops looks like someone is already on that http://www.geneworks.com.au/ | 08:31 |
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| Lukas__ | Hugo deGaris trolls? | 08:37 |
| dbolser | fruit flies trolls? | 08:45 |
| Utopiah | Nature : "From Geek to Chic" http://www.nature.com/naturejobs/2010/100107/pdf/nj7277-125a.pdf | 08:53 |
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| kanzure | Utopiah: haha, equating "PhD after a name" to "genius" is questionable | 09:35 |
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| kanzure | hi Matvey | 09:47 |
| Matvey | Hey Bryan | 09:48 |
| Matvey | and everyone | 09:48 |
| kanzure | can you remind me what your specific issues were? | 09:51 |
| dbolser | /nick dr_dbolser | 09:52 |
| kanzure | Matvey: what were the issues you were trying to solve? | 09:58 |
| Matvey | sorry was a little afk | 09:59 |
| Matvey | the issue was with the script that estanlishes NE1 environment | 09:59 |
| Matvey | apperantly some packages it refers to are out of repositories, at least ubuntu's | 10:00 |
| Matvey | but I can install them manually, no prob | 10:00 |
| kanzure | what were the problems from before? | 10:01 |
| Matvey | from what before? | 10:01 |
| kanzure | what were the problems with running NE1 that you needed to use compile_nanoengineer? | 10:03 |
| Matvey | none, I made a clean linux box as you suggested | 10:06 |
| Matvey | from the very before is irrelevant - this was on another linux instance | 10:06 |
| Utopiah | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_ExaP41tR8 | 10:07 |
| kanzure | Matvey: ok. then cd into nanoengineer/cad/src/ and type: python main.py | 10:12 |
| Matvey | I've not set up the environment in the box yet, so, it'll report PyQt missing. I will try it again later this evening | 10:13 |
| kanzure | sudo apt-get install python-qt | 10:15 |
| Matvey | yup :) new version will it be? | 10:15 |
| kanzure | right | 10:15 |
| Matvey | so, this is one we need to fix? | 10:16 |
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| Matvey | maybe 'python-qt4'? | 10:20 |
| kanzure | what? | 10:24 |
| kanzure | no this is what you need to install first. | 10:24 |
| kanzure | python-qt4 is fine, yes | 10:24 |
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| Lukas_ | Good morning | 10:36 |
| Lukas_ | afternoon | 10:36 |
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| Matvey | ended up with "ImportError: No module named QtOpenGL". However, I installed every lib from package manager containing words 'OpenGL' and 'Qt' and every lib from the script that is available | 11:00 |
| kanzure | you don't need every single library, just python-qt4-gl | 11:05 |
| kanzure | http://70.32.108.164/~hplus/?p=1437 | 11:10 |
| kanzure | at first i thought i was doing something wrong.. but then i checked hplusmagazine.com and realized it looks like that all the time (wtf) | 11:10 |
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| Matvey | strangely, this one wasn't installed | 11:15 |
| Matvey | now all works | 11:15 |
| Matvey | but I didn't expect it to | 11:15 |
| kanzure | how much of it works? | 11:15 |
| Matvey | i got the main window | 11:15 |
| kanzure | on the top-left click the 'Build' button, then choose 'Atoms', then choose 'C' on the menu on the left-hand side (for carbon), then try drawing some carbon atoms.. | 11:16 |
| kanzure | for me, it fails to draw atoms | 11:16 |
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| Matvey | yes, a lot of exceptions | 11:26 |
| kanzure | so no atoms? | 11:26 |
| Matvey | no atoms and visualizaton pane freezed now | 11:28 |
| Matvey | ask my peer who's experienced with Qt if he can advise something | 11:31 |
| kanzure | "The Prisoner's Smellemma" awful.. but here's a pdf of the biotic games paper (has been in the news) http://www.stanford.edu/group/riedel-kruse/publications/Riedel_2011_LabChip.pdf | 11:32 |
| kanzure | Matvey: ok. | 11:32 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us:9000/s/a-shift-a-documentary-on-fablab-in-the-netherlands | 11:49 |
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| Lukas_ | How is that programming thing going? | 12:06 |
| kanzure | which one | 12:06 |
| Lukas_ | That project from yesterday | 12:10 |
| kanzure | :/ | 12:11 |
| kanzure | what? | 12:12 |
| Lukas_ | Nanoengineer, I think | 12:15 |
| kanzure | theirix's git repo was fixed http://diyhpl.us/cgit/nanoengineer-theirix | 12:15 |
| Lukas_ | Nice | 12:16 |
| Lukas_ | I would ask what the problem was, but I wouldn't understand the answer | 12:16 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/screenshots/2011-01-19-1356-nanoengineer.png | 12:17 |
| kanzure | well, | 12:17 |
| kanzure | the git daemon he was using was horrendously old and couldn't really deal with the massive size of nanoengineer.git | 12:17 |
| kanzure | so pulling even a 100kb git object from him was taking more than 20min.. when it should take something like 5sec | 12:17 |
| Lukas_ | ah | 12:18 |
| Lukas_ | well, I was incorrect, I actually understood that :P | 12:18 |
| kanzure | Lukas_: you're into youtube, right? technologiclee did a video of nanoengineer in action, a tutorial or something | 12:19 |
| kanzure | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqfXzTrwI3c | 12:19 |
| kanzure | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvcwY5pSXZs | 12:19 |
| Lukas_ | excellent, thank you | 12:19 |
| AlonzoTG1 | om | 12:22 |
| Matvey | Bryan: your pulled from Eugene into the separate rep? | 12:23 |
| kanzure | Matvey: no, eugene pushed into the separate repo, then i pulled into nanoengineer.git | 12:24 |
| Matvey | looks like they're copies | 12:24 |
| Matvey | ok got it | 12:24 |
| kanzure | that's because i updated nanoengineer.git with his changes | 12:24 |
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| Lukas_ | This is amazing | 12:38 |
| kanzure | yeah, did you catch the image gallery of previous things made in NE? http://nanoengineer-1.com/content/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=40&Itemid=50 | 12:39 |
| Lukas_ | O_O ... how expensive would it be to actually construct those molecules? | 12:41 |
| Matvey | given required state of art in assembling techniques - yes | 12:45 |
| Matvey | you could design some with today's technologies in mind -- then you'll be able to assemble it right away | 12:45 |
| kanzure | robert freitas published something the other day that estimated $1 billion | 12:45 |
| kanzure | but i think he's over-estimating because that's roughly the price if you go through typical tech development means.. intellectual property, buying patents, all that proper stuff | 12:46 |
| Matvey | that's a good question - if you're able to make the whole nanoassembler as a single directed engineer project, or is it require some kind of free scientific search? | 12:47 |
| kanzure | single directed engineering project | 12:48 |
| kanzure | for scientific research, he has a list of things that need to get done: | 12:48 |
| kanzure | http://www.molecularassembler.com/Nanofactory/Challenges.htm | 12:48 |
| kanzure | http://www.acceleratingfuture.com/michael/blog/2011/01/what-would-it-cost-to-develop-a-nanofactory/ | 12:50 |
| Matvey | we're going to wheedle some petrobillions out of Russian government for that :) | 12:50 |
| kanzure | "What will it cost to develop a nanofactory? Let’s assume research funds are spent in a completely focused manner toward the goal of a primitive diamondoid nanofactory that could assemble rigid diamondoid structures involving carbon, hydrogen, and perhaps a few other elements." | 12:50 |
| kanzure | "In this case, we estimate that an ideal research effort paced to make optimum use of available computational, experimental, and human resources would probably run at a $1–5 M/yr level for the first 5 years of the program, ramp up to $20–50 M/yr for the next 6 years, then finish off at a ~$100 M/yr rate culminating in a simple working desktop nanofactory appliance in year 16 of a ~$900 M effort." | 12:50 |
| kanzure | "Of course the bulk of this work, after the initial 5 year period, would be performed by people, companies, and university groups recruited from outside the Nanofactory Collaboration." | 12:50 |
| kanzure | "The key early milestone is to demonstrate positionally-controlled carbon placement on a diamond surface by the end of the initial 5 year period." | 12:50 |
| kanzure | "We believe that successful completion of this key experimental milestone would make it easier to recruit significant additional financial and human resources to undertake the more costly later phases of the nanofactory development work." | 12:50 |
| kanzure | i have no idea how he came up with those numbers though | 12:51 |
| kanzure | the quote is from http://www.nanomedicine.com/Papers/Aging.pdf | 12:51 |
| Matvey | 1b is a nice round number :) | 12:51 |
| Matvey | will be back in 5 minutes | 12:52 |
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| kanzure | http://quantumg.blogspot.com/2010/12/new-sputnik-moment.html | 13:00 |
| kanzure | "Suppose some manufacturing backwater suddenly started turning out superb jet engines, or even a whole new fighter plane. Just as a matter of competitive interest, other manufacturers would no doubt arrange to get their hands on a few samples and check out their quality." | 13:00 |
| kanzure | "I expect that more than a few "national security" inquiries would also be made. What they discover blows their mind: the fan blades, the compressor, the combustion chambers, even the cowling, are all made from materials they've never seen before. Parts of the combustion chambers even appear to be made of perfectly shaped diamond." | 13:00 |
| kanzure | "By releasing these products onto the market, the protagonist has demonstrated a highly functional molecular nanotechnology manufacturing system. This is a massive breakthrough, and it would be completely unexpected." | 13:00 |
| kanzure | "You don't think a functioning molecular nanotechnology manufacturing system would be a blow to national pride (the US has been funding nanotechnology research for *decades*), or have massive military implications (they can make *anything*, including weapons no-one else can make)?" | 13:01 |
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| Lukas_ | That mall country would have to be well funded in order to do that | 13:06 |
| Lukas_ | small* | 13:06 |
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| kanzure | Matvey: what do rtd/rtm members think about diybio/biohacking? | 13:42 |
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| Twerpling | what is rtd/rtm? | 13:44 |
| kanzure | Российское Трансгуманистическое Движение | 13:44 |
| kanzure | http://transhumanism-russia.ru/ | 13:45 |
| kanzure | and http://transhuman.ru/ | 13:45 |
| Matvey | Bryan, mostly they dont know what is that | 13:47 |
| kanzure | do you know? | 13:47 |
| Matvey | the average transhuman educational level among RTM member is rather low | 13:47 |
| kanzure | http://diybio.org/ | 13:48 |
| Matvey | I have an a vague understanding | 13:48 |
| kanzure | http://bit.ly/diybionews | 13:48 |
| kanzure | i see. a diybio-moscow group would be really amazing to see | 13:48 |
| kanzure | especially if you or danila was heading it up | 13:48 |
| Matvey | honestly, I heard this word firstly from you :) | 13:48 |
| Matvey | before I couldn't imagine that diy have a place in transhumanism, when every new technology is more and more complex | 13:49 |
| Matvey | but know I think its pretty cool | 13:49 |
| Matvey | what we have is a small but dedicated group onto wereable (you know Yana) | 13:50 |
| kanzure | wait, do i know yana? | 13:50 |
| kanzure | peter yanakiev at diybio-boston? | 13:51 |
| Matvey | yanaflash? or something like that | 13:51 |
| kanzure | or Яна Бочарова <telegamochka@mail.ru> | 13:51 |
| Matvey | yes,second | 13:51 |
| kanzure | no | 13:51 |
| kanzure | i don't | 13:51 |
| Matvey | you might be interested in meeting her, she is very DIY | 13:51 |
| kanzure | cool | 13:52 |
| Matvey | also we have a bunch of conventional academic and industry biotech guys, with labs and stuff | 13:52 |
| Matvey | but they're not DIY as far as I understand | 13:52 |
| Matvey | say, what useful biotech things we can manufacture today DIY-style? | 13:54 |
| kanzure | in terms of lab equipment.. here's a list: http://diyhpl.us/cgit/skdb/plain/doc/BOMs/diybio-equipment.yaml | 13:55 |
| kanzure | i dunno how to give a good overview of wetware experiments that have been carried out though | 13:56 |
| Twerpling | You can pretty much make a lab capable of doing reasonable science using DIYBio equipment | 13:57 |
| kanzure | people are slowly working up to genetic engineering but right now we need to make open source hardware infrastructure for basic lab equipment.. instead of paying $50,000 for lab equipment, we can build it for $500, etc. | 13:57 |
| Twerpling | By reasonable I mean nothing spectacular but rather cool things | 13:57 |
| kanzure | lab-on-a-chip devices are definitely DIYable | 13:59 |
| kanzure | here's a list of diy transhuman tech projects: | 14:00 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers/diytranshuman_projects.v3.txt | 14:00 |
| QuantumG | Lukas_: I disagree.. just a small amount of funding in the *right* direction (whatever that is) would lead to a molecular nanotechnology breakthrough. | 14:00 |
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| kanzure | QuantumG: what do you think about freitas' $1B estimate? | 14:01 |
| kanzure | he has a rather thorough outline of TODO things that need to get done before he has a working molecular nanofactory but.. that doesn't mean he knows the cheapest ways or market rates | 14:01 |
| QuantumG | I haven't heard it, but I'm sure Freitas could do something with that much money. | 14:02 |
| kanzure | QuantumG: scroll up- it's in your backlog (before i quoted your blog post) | 14:02 |
| QuantumG | ahh ok. Well that's a little too much money to raise privately.. so he's doomed to writing funding requests | 14:03 |
| QuantumG | $15M/year I mean | 14:03 |
| QuantumG | $15M for the first 5 years and then $15M/year might be doable privately | 14:04 |
| kanzure | tons of pharma companies raise hundreds of millions for drugs even before they are through FDA testing | 14:04 |
| QuantumG | they have a history of success | 14:04 |
| kanzure | yes but in proportion to the returns that nanotechnology could bring, blah blah blah | 14:05 |
| kanzure | i'm assuming my argument there is obvious | 14:05 |
| kanzure | (brb) | 14:05 |
| QuantumG | you'd have to start smaller I think.. really prove you can do interesting work under non-academic conditions | 14:06 |
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| Lukas_ | I agree QuantumG | 14:08 |
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| Lukas_ | theory is nice, but unless you are really, really convincing, very few people will invest | 14:08 |
| QuantumG | on the other hand, buying expensive equipment isn't that hard to find funding for | 14:09 |
| QuantumG | .. cause there's always resale value :) | 14:09 |
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| Lukas_ | I suppose | 14:12 |
| Lukas_ | Something is bound to give - between the efforts of DIYers and 'official' R&D engineers we are going to get some sort of nanotechnology | 14:13 |
| Lukas_ | My only real fear is legislation | 14:14 |
| Twerpling | Legislation in what manner? | 14:14 |
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| Lukas_ | Like what is happening in Russia | 14:17 |
| Lukas_ | things that will lock down entire areas of science and technology | 14:18 |
| kanzure | this amuses me http://etbe.coker.com.au/2011/01/19/conferences-autism-spectrum/ | 14:21 |
| kanzure | "No initiationRedPlease do not initiate any interaction with me." | 14:21 |
| Twerpling | I'm sorry, I'm not familiar with what is going on in Russia. Are they legislating on moral grounds, i.e. "We should not play god" or what have you? | 14:21 |
| Twerpling | IP? | 14:21 |
| Lukas_ | To be honest, I have no idea what grounds they are basing their legislation on. I am not to familiar with Russian politics or society | 14:22 |
| Lukas_ | but I'd imagine that is what would happen in my country | 14:22 |
| * strages wonders why there isn't #openmanufacturing | 14:23 | |
| QuantumG | because the mailing list is retarded enough? | 14:24 |
| kanzure | strages: this is it. | 14:24 |
| kanzure | the mailing list is kind of retarded, though | 14:25 |
| kanzure | it missed the gravy train so there's been the same number of users for the past 1.5 years | 14:25 |
| strages | ah | 14:28 |
| kanzure | .. more or less. i guess 1 new user every 5 days, which is colossally slow | 14:28 |
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| Twerpling | Hey we are doing the same thing in Baltimore | 14:34 |
| Twerpling | I think on the 13th | 14:34 |
| Twerpling | Of February | 14:34 |
| strages | awesome, let me know how yours turns out | 14:37 |
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| kanzure | structural biology rap http://www.youtube.com/user/sciencerapper#p/u/1/PLsrZ47vbe4 | 15:15 |
| kanzure | ed boyden's doing a 2011 TED talk | 15:18 |
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| delinquentme | any good examples of breadboard tutorials :D | 15:20 |
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| kanzure | i think we're mentioned in here somewhere | 15:37 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us:9000/s/richard-thieme-hacking-biohacking-and-the-future-of-humanity | 15:37 |
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| QuantumG | this guy is a nut | 15:48 |
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| QuantumG | I know he's speaking english, I'm just waiting for him to actually convey some meaning | 15:53 |
| QuantumG | if I was into smoking weed, I'd ask this guy where he gets his from. | 15:55 |
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| delinquentme | hahaha | 16:04 |
| delinquentme | putting it on my to watch list! | 16:04 |
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| QuantumG | kanzure: it's not "we" that is mentioned, it's you. 40 minutes in | 16:27 |
| kanzure | i didn't watch it :x | 16:33 |
| kanzure | what does he say? | 16:33 |
| QuantumG | go to 40 mins in and just watch that bit | 16:36 |
| QuantumG | he basically says you say that "it's not real hacking unless you can do it without a lab" | 16:37 |
| QuantumG | meaning a non-diy lab | 16:37 |
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| kanzure | how'd that happen to fenn? | 17:42 |
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| kanzure | hi fenn | 17:43 |
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| kanzure | hm i wonder where http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/protocols/pcr.xml went | 17:57 |
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| kanzure | Juul: how goes biologi garagen | 18:09 |
| Juul | kanzure, seems like things are happening, but i'm not actively involved right now, since i'm all the way over here in the bay area | 18:09 |
| Juul | looking forward to biocurious launch though | 18:10 |
| Juul | what are you working on these days? | 18:10 |
| kanzure | 1) getting skdb back on the web and functional http://gnusha.org/skdb/ | 18:11 |
| kanzure | 2) nanoengineer (open-source nanotech cad) http://diyhpl.us/cgit/nanoengineer | 18:11 |
| kanzure | 3) gitduino.com, an open source hardware hosting server.. site.. thing | 18:12 |
| Juul | great :) | 18:12 |
| kanzure | a few other things i'm forgetting, i'm sure.. | 18:12 |
| Juul | i'm not sure what a nanotech cad is though? | 18:12 |
| kanzure | software to design and simulate this: | 18:12 |
| kanzure | http://nanoengineer-1.com/content/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=40&Itemid=50 | 18:12 |
| Juul | interesting | 18:13 |
| kanzure | organizing some funds ($80,000?) for diybio/transhumanism/reprap stuff | 18:14 |
| kanzure | but that's not Official yet.. | 18:14 |
| Juul | ok | 18:14 |
| Juul | is anyone implementing designs like those yet? | 18:14 |
| kanzure | no but they are trying and have plans | 18:15 |
| Juul | ok | 18:15 |
| Juul | hrm | 18:16 |
| kanzure | http://foresight.org/ is a good hub for that i guess. | 18:16 |
| Juul | half of jbei is offline due to power work | 18:16 |
| Juul | i think i'll go to noisebridge | 18:16 |
| kanzure | here's freitas' and merckle's research plan http://www.molecularassembler.com/Nanofactory/Challenges.htm | 18:16 |
| kanzure | have fun | 18:16 |
| * Juul bookmarks for later reading | 18:17 | |
| Juul | thanks | 18:17 |
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| delinquentme | kanzure, thats REAL?? | 18:21 |
| delinquentme | the molecular gearbox | 18:22 |
| kanzure | no it's just a theoretical study | 18:22 |
| QuantumG | it's unfunded | 18:23 |
| delinquentme | Ohhhh ok | 18:23 |
| QuantumG | but it's "real" in the sense that they believe that's what needs to be done | 18:23 |
| kanzure | jrayhawk: i'm confused; cleaning up the bad commits in skdb.git looks relatively easy to me, especially if i apply the same changes to my local skdb.git, revert ikiwiki's working directory, then revert /srv/git/skdb.git.. am i missing the hard part? | 18:23 |
| delinquentme | arent there lots of bonds going on there that would like shove the gears apart? | 18:24 |
| kanzure | QuantumG: it's partially funded btw | 18:24 |
| kanzure | delinquentme: no, that's why they studied the concept | 18:24 |
| QuantumG | yeah.. the theoretical work :) | 18:24 |
| kanzure | institute for molecular manufacturing http://www.imm.org/ | 18:24 |
| kanzure | actually they have also done hard-science experimental projects | 18:24 |
| delinquentme | GOD humans | 18:24 |
| delinquentme | impossibly smart | 18:24 |
| delinquentme | and people actually spend time watching the jersey shore | 18:24 |
| delinquentme | f Me. | 18:25 |
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| jrayhawk | s/revert/reset/, yes | 18:33 |
| jrayhawk | It'd probably be easiest to git config receive.denyNonFastForwards false on everything, push +master:master to ikiwiki, push +master:master to the bare repo, then turn denyNonFastForwards back on | 18:35 |
| kanzure | that seems deceptively easy.. | 18:35 |
| kanzure | btw what's the +master:master syntax for? obviously something about branch master.. but? | 18:36 |
| jrayhawk | that's to force an update to a non-child ref | 18:36 |
| jrayhawk | +master:master is disrespectful to your ancestors! | 18:37 |
| kanzure | by 'reset' the ikiwiki repo, what do you mean? i was going to do 'git reset --hard HEAD^something' | 18:37 |
| jrayhawk | Yeah, 'reset' and not 'revert' | 18:38 |
| jrayhawk | you kept using the word 'revert' like it meant 'reset' | 18:38 |
| kanzure | and revert should only be used to refer to situations where you change the working directory but not the git object store? | 18:38 |
| kanzure | *'revert' | 18:39 |
| jrayhawk | uh, reset doesn't modify the object store | 18:39 |
| jrayhawk | a committed revert will presumably create one more object | 18:39 |
| kanzure | oh right, reverts get committed. i remember seeing those. i don't use them often, so that's probably why i didn't realize what i was saying | 18:40 |
| jrayhawk | --force master is a slightly more obvious form of +master:master | 18:40 |
| kanzure | your jedi mind tricks have no effect on me | 18:41 |
| delinquentme | what form of git are you guys using ?? never seen +master: | 18:41 |
| kanzure | jedi git | 18:41 |
| delinquentme | ha guess so | 18:42 |
| delinquentme | ive just started using git rebase -i | 18:42 |
| delinquentme | thats a sweet tool | 18:42 |
| jrayhawk | your sad devotion to an ancient command line flag has not helped conjure up clean refs, nor given you clairvoyance enough to remember the distinction between revert and reset | 18:42 |
| kanzure | -i is for wimps, real men memorize which hashes they want | 18:43 |
| kanzure | jrayhawk: i used to recite the star wars episode iv script during gym class as a way to overcome boredom :( | 18:44 |
| delinquentme | HA | 18:44 |
| delinquentme | jrayhawk, you're the one who said "git revert --hard HEAD | 18:45 |
| jrayhawk | where? | 18:45 |
| kanzure | jrayhawk: are we sure these spurious merges won't show up again? i can test with some extra stuff to commit | 18:47 |
| jrayhawk | Well, I rebuiltrepo, so no, not unless you go screwing around with the hooks again. | 18:48 |
| kanzure | so no we're not sure? | 18:48 |
| jrayhawk | oh, sorry, yes I am sure they won't happen again provided yadda yadda yadda | 18:49 |
| kanzure | cool | 18:49 |
| kanzure | the merges are pretty weird too | 18:49 |
| jrayhawk | I think they happened during the time you were rewriting post-update in various incomplete ways. | 18:49 |
| kanzure | da5ab4f1260637998f02e3bdc417a4ed20177ff7 merges f5d0b4f (ikiwiki initial commit) and c446 a commit from march 2010 from me | 18:49 |
| jrayhawk | Oh ,that was probably from back when you deleted that git hook | 18:50 |
| kanzure | da5ab is from 2011-01-07 | 18:50 |
| kanzure | lol how can f1b4c merge 48821c4 and a7d69 when a7d69 was committed 30sec in the future (after f1b4c) | 18:53 |
| jrayhawk | somebody's clock is drifting | 18:54 |
| kanzure | do'h.. you're right. when my keyboard spasms my clock gets screwed up, sometimes i have to reset it once a month | 18:55 |
| kanzure | forgot about that. | 18:55 |
| jrayhawk | that's... interesting. | 18:55 |
| kanzure | i'm a magnet for all kinds of problems | 18:55 |
| kanzure | i'm what you would call a "trouble user" | 18:55 |
| jrayhawk | you might try booting with nohpet | 18:56 |
| jrayhawk | laptop makers fuck up hpet a lot for some reason :( | 18:56 |
| kanzure | ubuntu users agree with your nohpet recommendation for my specific laptop model http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1400432 | 18:57 |
| kanzure | uh i guess it's on the next page or something. doesn't matter that much. | 18:57 |
| jrayhawk | My laptop also has hpet issues, though I guess I haven't tried it since upgrading the BIOS | 18:58 |
| jrayhawk | And my last laptop from a completely different manufacturer also also had hpet issues | 18:59 |
| jrayhawk | and my old nforce2 system was so bad that the NTP project called it unusable | 19:00 |
| jrayhawk | http://support.ntp.org/bin/view/Support/KnownHardwareIssues#Section_9.1.7. | 19:00 |
| jrayhawk | it had the funny property that it would attempt to switch ACPI sleep states multiple times in the same clock cycle and doublefault the system | 19:01 |
| kanzure | in retrospect i'm pretty proud of the ridiculous git work i did on nanoengineer.git | 19:01 |
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| jrayhawk | yes, well, that's because you're insane | 19:01 |
| kanzure | jrayhawk: heh, dmesg just spat out: [215434.914481] ACPI Exception (battery-0385): AE_TIME, Evaluating _BST [20090320] | 19:01 |
| jrayhawk | err, not sleep states, power states | 19:02 |
| jrayhawk | c2 and c0 | 19:02 |
| kanzure | all sorts of wonderful crap in dmesg. | 19:02 |
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| kanzure | wtf? git rebase --onto 5f6d9b867167d11fe371e316e8975b8ad3bd501f 6770014a8d06d15fda9b5d31159d1a4b52b66b79 | 19:06 |
| kanzure | jrayhawk: i think that should do it, can you double check that for me? gnusha:/home/bryan/code/crazy_skdb/ | 19:06 |
| kanzure | all of the merges from ikiwiki are gone, though, including the 'Initial content.' commit | 19:07 |
| jrayhawk | sounds fine | 19:07 |
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| kanzure | all that i did was rebase --onto (commit prior to latest fucked up merge) (latest commit that i legitimately made) | 19:07 |
| jrayhawk | Assuming there's nothing inbetween those that you care about, that seems fine. | 19:08 |
| kanzure | so ikiwiki was merging my commits each time, and wasn't complaining that i wasn't using its HEAD? | 19:09 |
| kanzure | maybe i had receive.denyNonFastForwards off.. | 19:09 |
| jrayhawk | Most likely it was unable to push due to some permissions issue, so it was just pulling in and merging stuff until I rebuiltrepo | 19:09 |
| jrayhawk | Or that. I don't remember exactly what you did a year ago. | 19:09 |
| kanzure | a year ago? | 19:09 |
| kanzure | where is the ikiwiki working directory? /home/ikiwiki-skdb/ is blank, /srv/www/diyhpl.us/skdb/ has no .git folder | 19:12 |
| kanzure | /srv/ikiwiki/skdb/doc/ | 19:13 |
| kanzure | /srv/www/diyhpl.us/skdb/doc/index/index.html so i guess this one? | 19:14 |
| gnusha | d3a6b04 first go at a new web presence | 19:16 |
| kanzure | fenn: sorry for all the trouble this is going to cause you when you pull.. | 19:18 |
| kanzure | oh crud. | 19:29 |
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| kanzure | fenn: i recommend git reset --soft origin/master; git pull origin master | 19:39 |
| kanzure | i'm assuming you have no new commits | 19:39 |
| kanzure | also git reset HEAD arbitrary_file.mdwn to unstage the ikiwiki cruft you pulled in :/ | 19:40 |
| gnusha | fb354b6 2010-01-21 - fix skdb package import call for units unit test | 19:43 |
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| kanzure | ian is claiming hod lipson's report to the white house on personal fabrication is not relevant to diybio | 20:13 |
| kanzure | hrm. | 20:13 |
| QuantumG | 3d printing microchannels? | 20:15 |
| kanzure | making your own lab equipment? | 20:15 |
| kanzure | open source hardware? | 20:15 |
| kanzure | personal fabrication? | 20:15 |
| kanzure | "it's generic maker" | 20:17 |
| QuantumG | whatever, just make some genetically engineered pets already | 20:19 |
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| kanzure | NewOrgan Prize http://mfoundation.org/?pn=mj_neworgan_prize | 20:24 |
| kanzure | "Our newest prize will be awarded to the first research team who successfully construct and transplant a whole new organ made from a patient's own cells." | 20:24 |
| kanzure | "by 2020" | 20:24 |
| kanzure | what's the prize money? hah | 20:28 |
| kanzure | $10M | 20:28 |
| kanzure | http://nextbigfuture.com/2010/04/methuselah-foundation-has-new-organ.html | 20:31 |
| kanzure | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvxiANklVIc | 20:31 |
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| ybit | phreedom: time for some fun | 20:42 |
| ybit | kanzure: you were telling me about the flood gates being opened? | 20:42 |
| ybit | er, you having access beyond paywall... | 20:42 |
| kanzure | not quite :) i have access. | 20:42 |
| kanzure | what i would prefer to do is an irc bot for fetching papers | 20:42 |
| ybit | phreedom and i discussed a p2p torrent like underground community where we continually fetch the latest papers.. | 20:43 |
| ybit | diyhpl.us/papers/ but for only people with a password? | 20:43 |
| ybit | ..just to avoid dummies complaining | 20:44 |
| kanzure | i don't think the software infrastructure is there quite yet | 20:44 |
| ybit | of course | 20:44 |
| kanzure | paperleaks should really be about journal leaks | 20:45 |
| ybit | btw... i'm going ahead with genebay | 20:45 |
| jrayhawk | I can set up a client cert system for that pretty quick. | 20:45 |
| kanzure | people should run pyscholar/irc-bot gateways on their local network; torrenting results and publishing it to a private tracker network seems ok to me | 20:45 |
| kanzure | ybit: did you figure out how to smooth over the kinks in the business model? | 20:46 |
| ybit | i don't imagine it will make much money, the only kink i noticed was not building the site and following up with the businesses | 20:46 |
| ybit | to that end, no and no, but i'm working on it | 20:47 |
| kanzure | *shrug* you might be able to get igem teams on board but really their synthesis requirements are low since they are shipped lots of biobricks | 20:47 |
| kanzure | ybit: there just didn't seem to be a reason for synthesis companies to be involved at all.. | 20:48 |
| ybit | oh, yeah, fuck biobasic | 20:48 |
| kanzure | s/reason/incentive/ | 20:48 |
| ybit | yeah yeah, i don't think the other companies care so much | 20:49 |
| ybit | the incentive is more visibility | 20:50 |
| kanzure | the way to do that.. would be to say genebay is a marketer, show that it can bring in customers, and then threaten to take away their business unless they can offer a better deal :P | 20:51 |
| ybit | the snag is that people can jump the middle-man, us, and go straight to a company. i have a feeling this is going to happen often, but oh well. i'm not in it to make money | 20:52 |
| kanzure | what are you in it for? | 20:52 |
| ybit | i have no experience on my resume in building sites, i'm going to fix this | 20:53 |
| kanzure | ybit: how about http://diyhpl.us:9000/random | 20:53 |
| ybit | that's certainly something i want to develop. i will probably develop my own personal site first, genebay second, then move on to humcie | 20:55 |
| ybit | at which point, i'm free for other projects | 20:55 |
| kanzure | i don't see the point in doing genebay if it's not to make it a business and not only that, it's lame and nobody wants to use it if it's not actually giving you multiple pennies off per basepair.. | 20:56 |
| ybit | ya know... humcie and gitduino are very similar in ideas, i wouldn't mind combining efforts | 20:56 |
| kanzure | what? | 20:57 |
| ybit | the idea behind humcie is all about project management for the diy science community | 20:58 |
| ybit | which is going to be very similar in concept to gitduino | 20:59 |
| kanzure | no. | 20:59 |
| ybit | gitduino == skdb, no? | 20:59 |
| kanzure | humcie sounds more like openpario | 20:59 |
| kanzure | http://openpario.mime.oregonstate.edu/ | 20:59 |
| ybit | wow, awesome | 21:00 |
| gnusha | 86f9404 packages aren't necessarily going to be python packages on the first round | 21:01 |
| ybit | okay, you are right | 21:01 |
| kanzure | huzzah | 21:01 |
| ybit | :P | 21:02 |
| kanzure | my worthless knowledge of awful web apps comes in handy for once.. | 21:02 |
| kanzure | ybit: i didn't mean to be harsh. | 21:14 |
| ybit | you weren't | 21:26 |
| ybit | ..as bad as you typically are. i only sobbed into my pillow 5 mins this time :) | 21:35 |
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| kanzure | hmm | 22:28 |
| kanzure | gnusha.org/packages/packagename/ or gnusha.org/skdb/packages/ ? | 22:28 |
| kanzure | where should the package 'mirror' be placed? | 22:28 |
| kanzure | uh. i meant the 'package mirror' not a package named 'mirror' | 22:39 |
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| gnusha | 84efa3b skdb-get is now moderately functional again (try lego) | 22:44 |
| kanzure | usage: skdb-get lego | 22:44 |
| kanzure | i've switched it from using http://designfiles.org/packages/ to git://packages.gnusha.org/package_name.git for now | 22:45 |
| kanzure | on a related note.. | 22:47 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/cgit/lego | 22:48 |
| jrayhawk | I'm now competing with CIA-56 for the last person in #hplusroadmap | 23:07 |
| jrayhawk | i refuse to be beaten by a bot | 23:07 |
| jrayhawk | I suppose I did cheat a little by rebooting the machine fenn was using. | 23:09 |
| kanzure | is CIA-56 still in there? | 23:10 |
| jrayhawk | SUCCESS | 23:11 |
| kanzure | victory music | 23:12 |
| jrayhawk | Suck it, unfeeling logical construct! | 23:12 |
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