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| Lukas_ | Good morning everyone | 05:36 |
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| Lukas_ | Hullo ThomasEgi | 08:42 |
| ThomasEgi | am hi? | 08:44 |
| Lukas_ | excuse? | 08:45 |
| ThomasEgi | was just disconnected. | 08:47 |
| Lukas_ | ah | 08:50 |
| Lukas_ | How's it going? | 08:51 |
| ThomasEgi | re-doing a few pcb-layouts right now. | 08:51 |
| ThomasEgi | turned out i messed up a footprint and now the parts physically wont arrange on the board :P | 08:51 |
| Lukas_ | nice | 08:52 |
| Lukas_ | what are you building? | 08:53 |
| ThomasEgi | prototyping hardware for a company. | 08:54 |
| ThomasEgi | it's a controll board used to switch devices on and off. they want to get away from the simens sps-controll they have right now. | 08:55 |
| kanzure | siemens? | 09:01 |
| kanzure | show me a building with heating not done by siemens and i'll show you a honeywell | 09:02 |
| ThomasEgi | kanzure, wanna come over visit me? | 09:02 |
| ThomasEgi | and bring a honeywell with you. | 09:02 |
| ThomasEgi | whatever that is. | 09:03 |
| ThomasEgi | well the thing is. altho their current setup works, it's expensive, complicated and not doesnt adapt well to their needs | 09:03 |
| Lukas_ | Does anyone know any nootropic that is relatively safe? | 09:07 |
| archels | It's this new one that you see in the ads, I think it's called Pla-Ce-Bo. | 09:09 |
| kanzure | Lukas_: cdpcholine, sulbutiamine, pyritinol, picamilion, aniracetam, piracetam, lion's mane, fish oil, butter, phosphatidylserine, bacopa, pregnenolone, cerebrolysin, theanine, vinpocetine, taurine, creatine, methylcobalamin, choline bitartate, ginkgo, huperzine, centrophenoxine, phenylalainine, methylcobalamin, vinpocetine, selegiline, pseudoephedrine, donezepil, hydergine, phenytoin, digitoxin, coumarin, gamma-hydroxybutyrate | 09:11 |
| kanzure | personally i take adderall | 09:12 |
| archels | Lukas_: You might want to specify "relatively safe". | 09:13 |
| kanzure | about how many standard deviations from "100% likely to kill you" are looking for? | 09:13 |
| kanzure | *are you looking for? | 09:14 |
| archels | kanzure: Do you take anything to offset the side effects of the dex? | 09:15 |
| kanzure | nope | 09:15 |
| Lukas_ | Relatively safe = doesn't kill or impair me (mentally or physically). I don't mind a headache or anything mild | 09:15 |
| archels | kanzure: Vitamin C? Multivitamin? | 09:15 |
| kanzure | archels: sometimes | 09:16 |
| archels | kanzure: Ever try l-tyrosine with it? | 09:16 |
| kanzure | no | 09:16 |
| Utopiah | (iirc few here like eletronic music http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ylVRGttEW4 ) | 09:17 |
| archels | "dubbing to fuckstep" | 09:18 |
| archels | I'm not *entirely* sure what that means... | 09:18 |
| archels | but somehow it seems to accurately describe the genre. | 09:19 |
| Lukas_ | xD | 09:21 |
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| fenn | anyone know "jean paul miousse"? | 10:49 |
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| fenn | er, jean-sebastien miousse , my bad | 10:51 |
| fenn | Utopiah: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GlLXgyEbAw&feature=related of course youtube's audio encoding drops a lot | 10:57 |
| fenn | some nice paintings http://www.androidjones.com/ | 11:04 |
| fenn | (same as youtube link above better compression http://fennetic.net/irc/Sirius_Mimosa.mp3 ) | 11:06 |
| Utopiah | http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/02/110202172300.htm (other view on the PLoSONE article on tDCS for insight) | 11:07 |
| Utopiah | fenn: thanks, that's more relaxing | 11:08 |
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| kanzure | wait a sec.. | 12:06 |
| kanzure | http://news.slashdot.org/story/11/02/06/1725258/Wikipedia-Works-To-Close-Gender-Gap | 12:06 |
| kanzure | ` 'The big problem is that the current Wikipedia community is what came about by letting things develop naturally,' says Kat Walsh, a member of the Wikimedia board. ` | 12:06 |
| kanzure | kat walsh.. why do i know that name | 12:06 |
| kanzure | http://gnusha.org/logs/2009-12-25.log | 12:07 |
| kanzure | so she used to hang out in here? | 12:07 |
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| uniqanomaly_ | they should introduce gender parity | 12:36 |
| uniqanomaly_ | and with gender parity in the name of equalisation there's favoritism of one side and discrimination of the other and isn't that just fucking stupid | 12:36 |
| uniqanomaly_ | everything for delusion of greater good | 12:37 |
| uniqanomaly_ | if i would be more sarcastic i would wrote that it's the way god wanted it | 12:38 |
| uniqanomaly_ | oh, i just did | 12:38 |
| uniqanomaly_ | i would like to be* | 12:39 |
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| fenn | i'd rather have openness and transparency than rules mandating that idiots be in charge | 13:34 |
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| kanzure | being on the board for the third or fourth most popular website ever is pretty interesting | 13:48 |
| kanzure | but probably means little in terms of actual things she can do | 13:48 |
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| kanzure | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Designer_drug | 15:15 |
| kanzure | :/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Anti-Doping_Agency | 15:16 |
| kanzure | hehe http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_drugs_banned_from_the_Olympics | 15:16 |
| uniqanomaly_ | in promotion of transhumanism someone gotta create h+ olympics | 15:17 |
| uniqanomaly_ | with any improvement technology lawful | 15:18 |
| Utopiah | isn't called F1? | 15:18 |
| uniqanomaly_ | funny thing, some of them are f***'n illegal | 15:18 |
| uniqanomaly_ | funny paradox of banning any drugs 'better trap produce better mouse' | 15:19 |
| uniqanomaly_ | they actively contribute to drug research | 15:20 |
| uniqanomaly_ | or not | 15:20 |
| kanzure | whatever.. i haven't had any olympiads hire me to create something undetectable | 15:20 |
| Lukas_ | Just as long as the drugs aren't banned outright, I am fine | 15:21 |
| Technicus | I have an idea. | 15:25 |
| Lukas_ | ? | 15:28 |
| jrayhawk | res | 15:31 |
| jrayhawk | whoops | 15:31 |
| uniqanomaly_ | what do you think about idea that govs can see augmented humanz as enemies of old order? | 15:31 |
| uniqanomaly_ | perhaps russian anti-biomedical tech regulations are related | 15:34 |
| uniqanomaly_ | or they just want poor people to die off | 15:34 |
| uniqanomaly_ | ok, i guess too much fucking politics | 15:35 |
| Lukas_ | we are political creatures | 15:35 |
| Lukas_ | In my opinion, some governments will, others won't | 15:35 |
| Lukas_ | the only opinions that matter are the Chinese and Americans, mainly | 15:36 |
| Lukas_ | if a major clampdown occurs in those countries on such technology, then transhumanism faces a nearly impossible job of trying to go about our business | 15:37 |
| kanzure | Lukas_: no, we're not political creatures | 15:37 |
| uniqanomaly_ | Lukas_: not really impossible | 15:37 |
| kanzure | go away and get back to work | 15:37 |
| Lukas_ | :D | 15:38 |
| Lukas_ | taking a break | 15:38 |
| uniqanomaly_ | ;) | 15:38 |
| Lukas_ | no more fear mongering, I promise | 15:38 |
| kanzure | Lukas_: why are you always talking about gloom-and-doom political scenarios? | 15:38 |
| kanzure | i mean, can you take that crap somewhere else maybe | 15:38 |
| kanzure | political cheerleading doesn't tend to be productive | 15:39 |
| QuantumG | http://www.verticalfarm.com/more | 15:39 |
| uniqanomaly_ | kanzure: take a chill pill, we're just talking | 15:40 |
| kanzure | RAWR NO CHILLING ALLOWED | 15:40 |
| uniqanomaly_ | ! :D | 15:40 |
| kanzure | what are you up to anyway | 15:40 |
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| uniqanomaly_ | omg | 15:41 |
| uniqanomaly_ | Lukas___: the other one is dead I suppose? ;) | 15:41 |
| uniqanomaly_ | kanzure: just talking :) | 15:42 |
| uniqanomaly_ | brb | 15:42 |
| Lukas___ | what? | 15:42 |
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| Lukas___ | kanzure: don't take me seriously, we're just talking | 15:42 |
| kanzure | uniqanomaly_: no i mean, what are you doing | 15:42 |
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| Lukas___ | In all seriousness, you are right <kanzure>, panic does nothing | 15:45 |
| Lukas___ | but this is just wild speculation | 15:47 |
| Technicus | Augmented visiual comprehention. | 15:48 |
| Lukas___ | ? | 15:49 |
| Technicus | Too many people do not understand what is happening. | 15:49 |
| Lukas___ | which is a good thing IMO | 15:50 |
| QuantumG | have you considered that you might be one of them? ;) | 15:51 |
| Lukas___ | me? | 15:51 |
| Technicus | I myself am tramendously ignorant. | 15:52 |
| Lukas___ | As am I | 15:52 |
| QuantumG | the people living through events rarely understand their historical significance | 15:54 |
| Technicus | I forgot about that, thanks for reminding me. | 15:54 |
| QuantumG | The Mesopotamians had very little idea that they were revolutionizing farming.. they were just digging ditches to get water to their crops. | 15:56 |
| Technicus | I am presently upset by a Cease & Desist/Take Down Notice from Faceboot to the developer of PhotoJacker: [ http://www.photojacker.com/ ]. | 15:56 |
| Lukas___ | what about the result of the agricultural revolution? | 15:56 |
| Lukas___ | there is significant evidence of violence between nomadic groups and settled people during that period | 15:57 |
| Technicus | Living as a nomadic lifestyle is not suited or permitted by / for many of today's cultures. | 15:58 |
| Lukas___ | but it was once the only way of doing things | 15:58 |
| QuantumG | vast amounts of americans live in caravans | 15:59 |
| Lukas___ | crop growing was a game changer | 15:59 |
| Lukas___ | the food they get is still grown, they aren't foraging | 15:59 |
| Technicus | To have a portable dwelling provides a sense of freedom. | 16:00 |
| QuantumG | most nomads were herders.. so the domesticated animals did the foraging, and they ate the animals | 16:00 |
| Lukas___ | true | 16:01 |
| Lukas___ | but you can support a significant population with crops, as opposed to just herding | 16:01 |
| QuantumG | it was still animal power though | 16:04 |
| Lukas___ | still animal power, but that subtle change had a huge cultural impact | 16:05 |
| Lukas___ | I am unsure of whether the idea of territory was 'born' during that time, I am unsure of how we would even know if that happened .... | 16:07 |
| Lukas___ | meh, I am rambling | 16:07 |
| QuantumG | yes, it was. The great empires of east and west were the direct result of increased farming production and the specialization of workforce | 16:08 |
| QuantumG | yep, but it wasn't until the mining revolution and the subsequent industrial revolution that large scale production finally took off.. the question today, I think, is will all that be made obsolete by synthetic biology? self-tending, self-harvesting crops. | 16:08 |
| Lukas___ | perhaps, we don't know. The best we can do is try to see where the tech is going and work accordingly to stay ahead of the curve | 16:09 |
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| Technicus | Here is a link: [ http://victorygasworks.ning.com/ ]. This is a group of people who are dilligently fabricating solid biomass gasifiers. | 16:18 |
| joshcryer | Dan screws around, probably his best "instructional" video (greenpowerscience): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRnhFvu9PXo | 16:20 |
| joshcryer | I know he mostly dicks around most of the time, but it's nice to see this hack. | 16:21 |
| joshcryer | (throws some Nd magnets on a hexagonal block of wood and places it in a fan stator, produces current) | 16:21 |
| QuantumG | a more modern example: the NSF had no idea what would result from removing the non-commercial terms of use from their backbone of the Internet. | 16:23 |
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| ThomasEgi | joshcryer, that one just made my evening :D | 16:48 |
| ThomasEgi | magnets in a piece of wood :D | 16:48 |
| Lukas___ | Are there any PhDs here? | 16:49 |
| QuantumG | I think most of us have jobs instead | 16:50 |
| Lukas___ | XD | 16:50 |
| kanzure | Lukas___: there's a few phds | 16:53 |
| kanzure | what do you need | 16:53 |
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| Lukas___ | I just wanted to know what sort of positions in industry are PhD-only - I want to work in a genomics company, and I eventually want to head my own projects eventually. But I am barely getting through college financially, so I am unsure of going to graduate school is wise or not | 16:56 |
| kanzure | why are you in school, again? | 16:56 |
| Lukas___ | Biomedical Engineering | 16:57 |
| Lukas___ | and because I would be kicked out if I wasn't in school | 16:57 |
| Lukas___ | mainly | 16:57 |
| kanzure | kicked out of what | 16:58 |
| Lukas___ | Biomedical Engineering allows a greater spread, in case I decide that genetics isn't my strongpoint | 16:58 |
| Lukas___ | my house | 16:58 |
| QuantumG | I'm still watching this video joshcryer posted | 16:58 |
| Lukas___ | rather, my parent's house | 16:58 |
| QuantumG | fuck me, this guy could have explained this thing in 10 seconds | 16:58 |
| QuantumG | 31 minutes to say "alternate the magnets"? seriously? | 16:59 |
| joshcryer | Hehe | 17:01 |
| joshcryer | I like when he uses mechanical advantage to do a task, such as when he drives the block down the screw with the drill. | 17:01 |
| kanzure | Lukas___: gonna have to move out some day | 17:01 |
| joshcryer | I try to think of ways to avoid effort so it is fun when someone else does, too. | 17:02 |
| Lukas___ | I'd rather do it when I have money to survive on | 17:02 |
| joshcryer | kanzure, all housing should be free, electricity, and water, and food!!!!! | 17:02 |
| Lukas___ | agreed 100% | 17:03 |
| joshcryer | needs more exclaimation points | 17:04 |
| Lukas___ | <kanzure>: How did you do it? | 17:07 |
| QuantumG | dude needs to join steel... and uses sticky tape | 17:09 |
| joshcryer | QuantumG, it's a hack, not production thing, haha. He's always having to disclaim whatever hack he does because people are all "wtf you shouldn't do it that way!" | 17:14 |
| joshcryer | I suspect sticky tape wouldn't last long enough in a turbine for it to spin for a day. | 17:21 |
| QuantumG | yeah, weld the magnets to a metal rotor | 17:22 |
| kanzure | Lukas___: i got kicked out | 17:29 |
| kanzure | it's surprisingly easy | 17:29 |
| joshcryer | kanzure, aww, why. | 17:29 |
| joshcryer | You seem so lovable. | 17:30 |
| Lukas___ | D: | 17:30 |
| joshcryer | Every h+ guy needs a parents basement to work in. | 17:31 |
| joshcryer | It's our only hope. | 17:31 |
| Lukas___ | Trust me, I'd LOVE to move out of my house, but I have nothing in terms of money and experience | 17:33 |
| kanzure | no experience? what have you been doing for the past 15 years | 17:33 |
| kanzure | joshcryer: it's probably in the logs sometime in 2008 | 17:34 |
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| Lukas___ | xD | 17:37 |
| joshcryer | QuantumG, the most fascinating part of the video is that adding a magnet doubles the power output. | 17:39 |
| joshcryer | QuantumG, square of the distance and all. | 17:39 |
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| kanzure | blah now they are complaining that they didn't categorize articles on hplusmagazine.com | 17:50 |
| kanzure | but they want categories and tags now | 17:50 |
| QuantumG | there's articles on hplusmagazine.com? | 17:50 |
| joshcryer | there's hplusmagazine.com? | 17:51 |
| kanzure | s/articles/blog posts/ | 17:54 |
| kanzure | whatever the terminology is | 17:54 |
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| joshcryer | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3iP0NGDDao | 18:44 |
| ThomasEgi | now that's a nice one^ | 18:46 |
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| joshcryer | I'm bored someone find the logs where kanzure was kicked out of his house. | 20:05 |
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