2011-02-07.log

--- Log opened Mon Feb 07 00:00:10 2011
joshcryerApple got trolled: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=8BPFODsob1I00:13
Jappe2no advertising please01:11
joshcryerHaha01:34
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Utopiahmention of RepRap, contour printing and overall 3D printing in Zeitgeist: Moving Forward http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Z9WVZddH9w#t=1h58m02:38
joshcryerI used to hang out in their IRC channel when they had one.02:39
joshcryerThere were a lot of H+ types.02:39
joshcryerSadly they were tied to conspiracy stuff on one hand, and on the other hand, expected TZM (as it pertains to the Venus Project) to do something.02:40
joshcryerMy time there was basically tell them to DIY, and then several of them actually decided to DIY.02:40
joshcryerAnd TZM threatened to sue them.02:40
joshcryerFun stuff.02:40
UtopiahI pointed at it regarding diffusion in the media, Im not necessarily a fan on TZM/Venus Project02:41
joshcryer"Repetitive human labor is becoming obsolete."02:41
joshcryerWhat naievty.02:42
joshcryer1) Industrial automation is almost entirely individually specialized, that is, you have some task you want to do with high speed automation, you pay engineers to design the machines to do it, and they build the machine.02:43
joshcryer2) There exist no single set of tools to make these machines, nor do these machines have abilities outside of their specialized tasks.02:43
joshcryer2b) By being unique devices, they do not in fact render human labor obsolete. Since they must be uniquely built, and maintained, by a small set of individuals.02:44
joshcryerI used to work on a peanut packing line.02:44
joshcryerBasically we had a machine that filled jars with peanuts, and the label machine was run by one guy, if he wasn't there, the line didn't run.02:45
joshcryerNow they could've replaced us grunts with packing the peanuts into boxes with robots, at a very high cost, of course, but we were effectively the machines safeguard. If it was printing lables wrong we sorted 'em out.02:46
joshcryerNo machine on the planet could do our job at the speed that we did.02:46
joshcryerNot without false positives.02:46
joshcryerWell that was short.02:47
joshcryerShame they didn't spend more time discussing it.02:48
joshcryerThe whole point of open hardware is to eventually form a standard of devices that interoperate and behave predictably.02:48
joshcryerThis may sound counterintuitive since everyone can hack their own devices.02:48
joshcryerBut if you look at any large software project you will see that there's one fork that people actually give a crap about.02:49
joshcryerSo the openness does allow forking and whatnot, but that doesn't typically happen unless there are extenuating circumstances that require it. It's also a policing mechanism because people don't want their project forked away from them and are (in some respects, depending on their level of control) amiable to changes.02:50
joshcryerAs I see it the ultimate goal is a maker bot that can make maker bots and can incidentially make a specialized factories that can make maker bots or other types of machines that make other things faster. ie, I have a machine that can make itself, but it can make a factory that spits out toothbrushes 1000x faster than the bot can.02:52
joshcryerThis requires tools to design the bot, and tools to design the factories.02:53
joshcryerAnd that is why I'm a PC.02:53
joshcryer:P02:53
* joshcryer rant off02:53
joshcryeruniversial flu vaccine: http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2011/feb/06/flu-universal-vaccine-test-success03:11
joshcryerPossible eridication of the flu? That'd save millions every year.03:11
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Lukas_Good morning gentlemen and ladies06:52
ThomasEgimooornin06:53
Lukas_What's up?06:54
ThomasEgibreakfast?06:55
Lukas_Good stuff06:56
Lukas_It is finally getting warmer in the north06:59
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Lukas_soon I'll be able to pk again06:59
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archelsPakistan?07:20
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Lukas_Parkour07:32
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Utopiahnootropics in details http://www.eatliver.com/i.php?n=677910:14
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kanzurehehe having other people make your travel arrangements and payments is p. awesome12:36
paskyi need DNA code for beta-globin from at least five different mammal species, any tips where to get them?12:49
paskyim not really too familiar with the genome databases12:49
kanzureif you figure out the protein id then you can look that up on ncbi and look under one of their homologue sections12:58
paskythanks, i'll try to figure out the protein id :)12:59
paskybut it's a gene, not a protein12:59
paskyfor human, the page is http://www.genenames.org/data/hgnc_data.php?hgnc_id=482713:00
paskythere're many links on that page to explore, i'll try that first ;)13:00
kanzurebeta-globin doesn't encode a protein?13:07
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paskykanzure: well, sure it does... hmm, right13:41
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kanzure17-way rubik cube? http://www.shapeways.com/model/64058/over_the_top___17x17x17____3500.html14:18
kanzure*rubik's14:18
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paskybtw what i needed is http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/nuccore?Db=homologene&Cmd=Retrieve&list_uids=6806614:52
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kanzure"* A NASA study has concluded that creating a self replicating machine is roughly the same difficulty as creating a Pentium 4 chip." what?15:06
ThomasEgihm.. well we can produce pentium 4 chips right?15:07
kanzurenot really15:07
kanzurewhen's the last time you built a pentium 4?15:07
kanzureand more to the point why would you choose p4 over risc or something15:08
ThomasEgihm.. i dont remember.15:08
ThomasEgitrue.15:08
ThomasEgiwell i once thought about living-modules for the antartica.15:09
ThomasEgimade from bio-plastics15:09
ThomasEgiso you could "grow" your plastics. which would allow to grow house-parts, machines etc.15:09
ThomasEgithe semi-biological approach is quite promising.15:10
kanzurewhy antarctica? why not for anywhere15:10
ThomasEgibecause i was 1inch away from getting a boat and go there and say goodbye to the rest of the world^15:10
QuantumGbacteria are self replicating machines.. creating a bacteria is something we still haven't done, and probably never will (we'll probably always be cribbing proteins from nature to do synthetic biology)15:10
kanzureQuantumG: that's like saying we haven't genetically engineered any organisms15:11
ThomasEgiQuantumG, the thing is, you can use the bacteria as base material for the rest15:11
QuantumGthey said "create" .. I don't take that to mean "tinker with".15:11
ThomasEgiwhy tinker or create if it already exists?15:12
QuantumGyes, that's the reason why we probably never will15:13
QuantumGbut my point was, if you were to set out to make a single cell organism that can self-replicate by designing all the molecules from scratch, it'd be a *much* bigger task than making a pentium.15:14
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ybithrm, it feels awkward to tweet about what SNPs are in my body, just like it felt odd to send off my dna sample15:51
ybiti'm probably paranoid for no reason again15:52
kanzurewtf is this BS http://isotope.metafizzy.co/demos/basic.html try resizing your browser15:52
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jennicideelements collapsing/expanding to fit browser width17:23
kanzureit's still gratuitous18:06
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kanzurehttp://hplusmagazine.com/2011/02/04/the-uncertain-future-forecasting-project-goes-open-source/20:17
kanzurei think this is an awful name for a repository: http://github.com/SingInst/The-Uncertain-Future20:18
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ybiti suck at programming, it's official22:11
ybitwhat is it about business that sucks the life out of anything that has the chance of being fun? :)22:13
alystairaccounting22:14
alystairoh wait I thought you asked what businesses suck the life out of anything22:14
joshcryerI just turned on Windows Speech Recognition.22:36
joshcryerI am alarmed by how good it is.22:36
joshcryer(Windows 7)22:36
QuantumGwhy?  was your hovercraft actually full of eels?22:47
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joshcryerI'm too lazy to transcribe an hour of video.22:51
joshcryerAnd I wanted to see if Win7 speech recognition could do it.22:51
joshcryerAnd as I ran the stupid wizard thing it gave me a command reference sheet thingy.22:52
joshcryerAnd I just said this out loud.22:52
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