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| dbolser | anyone got this real quick: | 02:00 |
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| dbolser | http://www.nature.com/ncomms/journal/v2/n3/full/ncomms1211.html | 02:00 |
| dbolser | I think I invented this in my mind ;-) | 02:01 |
| dbolser | but not sure | 02:01 |
| dbolser | ok, it's not what I had in mind (supplementary materials are available) | 02:03 |
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| Utopiah | dbolser: Im not surprised Wayne Pennington was unhappy if you suggested his expertise could be replaced by few well tweaked algorithms and good datasets if only he were to confirm it (validating the Kaggle challenge results) | 03:40 |
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| kanzure | hi Zit | 06:01 |
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| dbolser | The Archon X Prize for Genomics offers a $10 million prize to to the first team that can sequence 100 human genomes within 10 days or less at a total cost of $10,000, with strict criteria for accuracy and completeness. | 06:12 |
| dbolser | Utopiah: heheh | 06:13 |
| dbolser | Utopiah: just sent you a mail | 06:13 |
| dbolser | In the future when I have your email address to had | 06:14 |
| dbolser | hand | 06:14 |
| dbolser | did | 06:15 |
| Utopiah | read it and yes, it sounds like "democratization" of, for them, a "serious topic" so again, Im not surprise even if I know it comes from the right mindset | 06:17 |
| dbolser | http://www.iris.edu/data/seismograms/ | 06:17 |
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| dbolser | true, they won't get much out of helping us | 06:17 |
| dbolser | But they get less from ignoring us imho | 06:18 |
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| dbolser | http://www.iris.edu/data/request.htm I just need to get my head round how to do it | 06:21 |
| Utopiah | but I dont think you should over think it either, I mean finding extra datasets is precisely what Kaggle winners usually do, they use the default datasets provided then to earn extra accuracity link to other datasets they thought might be useful and that they are used to though experience, they dont just limit themselves to the best tweaked algorithm (at least that's what I read in the blog posts of few challenge winners) | 06:23 |
| dbolser | ic | 06:24 |
| dbolser | but I need some data and it should have some quality, else we're doomed | 06:24 |
| dbolser | I'd like the forum to create new data... | 06:24 |
| dbolser | also, the format has to match the training data | 06:25 |
| dbolser | meh... I'll try again when I have time | 06:26 |
| dbolser | clicking round and round and not an actual datapoint in sight! | 06:26 |
| dbolser | http://www.fdsn.org/ | 06:27 |
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| kanzure_ | huh guess i'm doing to mardi gras | 10:28 |
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| kanzure_ | jrayhawk: google.org money? the only other thing i can think of is GSoC but there's no way you'd be caught dead in a school so i dunno | 11:52 |
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| kanzure_ | hi timothyschmidt | 12:05 |
| timothyschmidt | heyo | 12:05 |
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| kanzure_ | hi Tyrant | 12:50 |
| Tyrant | hey kanzure_ | 12:50 |
| Tyrant | whats up? | 12:51 |
| kanzure_ | nothing worth my time | 12:54 |
| kanzure_ | Tyrant: i was in palo alto w/ joe because of a 'future of open hardware' workshop i was invited to | 12:54 |
| kanzure_ | i took a transcript of the proceedings: | 12:54 |
| kanzure_ | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/iftf_open_hardware_future_workshop.html | 12:54 |
| kanzure_ | oh i linked you to that already, oops | 12:54 |
| Tyrant | yeah thank you for that | 12:55 |
| Tyrant | I'm going to be focusing mostly on open science first, why we need it, etc. | 12:56 |
| Tyrant | and a few examples of people outside of industry and universities doing amazing things | 12:56 |
| Tyrant | then go over some scientific instruments like my mass spec, the AFM, etc. that should be so much cheaper | 12:57 |
| kanzure_ | i don't know what you are talking about | 12:57 |
| kanzure_ | but i assume a BIL presentation | 12:57 |
| Tyrant | yeah | 12:57 |
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| kanzure_ | "One side comment though is, Humanity+ is under no obligation to raise $$ for these prizes, we've merely agreed to host the prizes on our website & in our bank account & to manage the judging." | 13:59 |
| kanzure_ | oh god. | 13:59 |
| kanzure_ | this is stupid. | 13:59 |
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| kanzure_ | andy ellington on diybio: http://www.the-scientist.com/news/display/58035/ | 14:11 |
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| kanzure_ | http://ellingtonlab.org/blog/2010/07/01/on-fabs-and-dna-hacking-5/ | 14:12 |
| kanzure_ | new page added: http://diybio.org/safety/biosafety-resources | 14:14 |
| kanzure_ | chemical compatibility app http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/chemical-compatibility-database/id408288716?mt=8 | 14:15 |
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| kanzure_ | i wonder why andy is so focused on diybio | 14:28 |
| kanzure_ | he was very hostile when i emailed him about something totally unrelated to diybio, and responded with some anti-diybio statements | 14:28 |
| kanzure_ | but now i'm wondering if he's one of the anonymous people on the list :P | 14:29 |
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| kanzure_ | hi QuantumG | 14:52 |
| QuantumG | hey | 14:53 |
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| Guest13231 | Hullo | 15:22 |
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| kanzure_ | hi Zit | 16:11 |
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| kanzure_ | hi phillyj | 16:26 |
| phillyj | hi | 16:26 |
| phillyj | nothing new, needed some latex help so i logged in freenode | 16:27 |
| kanzure_ | ha ha ha | 16:37 |
| kanzure_ | "andrew hessel is the justin bieber of synthetic biology" | 16:37 |
| kanzure_ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRbCIduMGb0 | 16:37 |
| kanzure_ | oh man, joseph sucks at video editing | 16:39 |
| kanzure_ | it seems to be screen capture plus him clicking a key to do looping? | 16:40 |
| QuantumG | nah, I suck at video editing | 16:44 |
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| JayDugger1 | Good night, everyone. | 17:31 |
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| kanzure_ | ?? why is natasha vita-more creating a facebook page for the gada prizes | 17:46 |
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| kanzure_ | http://tech.slashdot.org/story/11/03/03/2143249/Timezone-Maintainer-Retiring#comments | 18:43 |
| kanzure_ | " | 18:43 |
| kanzure_ | You know you're awesome when IANA have to develop a transitioning strategy when you retire. | 18:43 |
| kanzure_ | hi thesnark | 18:58 |
| thesnark | hey kanzure :D | 18:58 |
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| Tyrant | kanzure_, media pariah? | 19:12 |
| kanzure_ | what? | 19:13 |
| Tyrant | regarding natasha vita-more creating the gada prize page | 19:16 |
| Tyrant | sorry should be more specific answering to stuff late | 19:16 |
| kanzure_ | i don't know what 'media pariah' means | 19:16 |
| kanzure_ | but all i know is that her images looked awful | 19:16 |
| kanzure_ | for a designer she doesn't seem to know much about good font choices | 19:16 |
| Tyrant | she tries to get her image out there a lot | 19:17 |
| Tyrant | i think she just created it so that it would be associated with her | 19:18 |
| kanzure_ | no i think someone assigned the task to her | 19:18 |
| kanzure_ | but i don't know why they would do that | 19:18 |
| Tyrant | ah i see | 19:18 |
| Tyrant | whats the link? | 19:19 |
| kanzure_ | it's just an email. doesn't matter yet | 19:19 |
| kanzure_ | this doesn't matter at all, actually | 19:19 |
| kanzure_ | shouldn't you be uploading mass spec schematics and CAD files | 19:19 |
| Tyrant | i should be getting my presentation finalized and working on schematics, yes | 19:21 |
| Tyrant | :) | 19:21 |
| kanzure_ | imho presentation is of lower priority than uploading schematics and CAD files | 19:21 |
| Tyrant | im still a ways away from that | 19:21 |
| Tyrant | the early stages of development will be semi-super sekret | 19:22 |
| Tyrant | until i figure out the patent liabilities | 19:22 |
| kanzure_ | uh | 19:22 |
| kanzure_ | just so you know, | 19:22 |
| kanzure_ | that's inappropriate and wrong of you. | 19:23 |
| Tyrant | how so? | 19:24 |
| kanzure_ | secrecy breeds secrecy | 19:24 |
| kanzure_ | best to just be open from the beginning | 19:24 |
| kanzure_ | instead of lying about being open | 19:24 |
| kanzure_ | *of being open source | 19:24 |
| Tyrant | true, but its a pitfall i'll have to avoid | 19:25 |
| kanzure_ | you're not off to a good start :P | 19:25 |
| Tyrant | haha | 19:25 |
| Tyrant | well I'd like to be able to manufacture mass specs, not just make an open source one | 19:26 |
| Tyrant | and for that i really need to know what the patent situation is | 19:26 |
| Tyrant | and 'super sekret' means i won't be making a public web page for it | 19:26 |
| Tyrant | plenty of people will still have it though | 19:26 |
| kanzure_ | sounds like bullshit to me | 19:27 |
| kanzure_ | just because you're manufacturing it doesn't mean it shouldn't be in a revision controlled repository with a permissive license | 19:27 |
| Tyrant | if it sounds like bullshit to you then you can interpret it as such. fact of the matter stands that i'll be screwed before i even start if i get sued | 19:28 |
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| kanzure_ | i don't see what that has to do with anything i just said | 19:28 |
| kanzure_ | please re-read my comments | 19:28 |
| Tyrant | sorry yeah misread. they will be in a repository | 19:29 |
| Tyrant | just not at first | 19:29 |
| kanzure_ | yeah, that's wrong. | 19:29 |
| Tyrant | by the time i can actually manufacture and sell, they definitely will be | 19:29 |
| kanzure_ | haha why would anyone believe you | 19:29 |
| kanzure_ | what a scam. | 19:30 |
| Tyrant | heh | 19:31 |
| Tyrant | well if thats the way you feel you are welcome to have nothing to do with it | 19:31 |
| kanzure_ | it's almost as bad as openpcr | 19:31 |
| kanzure_ | just don't lie and call it open source if you're not sharing it and being all s3kr1t | 19:32 |
| kanzure_ | we call that a trade secret | 19:32 |
| Tyrant | the benefit i have from making it all 's3kr1t' at first is developing without having to worry about any patent conflicts | 19:32 |
| Tyrant | but i gain no benefit from keeping it closed source after i have a handle on them | 19:33 |
| kanzure_ | but you see, your patent fears are bullshit right now because you're not selling anything | 19:33 |
| kanzure_ | let's put it this way, | 19:33 |
| kanzure_ | if patents didn't exist, i think you still wouldn't really be open source | 19:33 |
| kanzure_ | what do you think? if patents weren't an issue | 19:33 |
| Tyrant | i would make it open source from the start | 19:34 |
| kanzure_ | ok right | 19:34 |
| kanzure_ | if you're truly worried about patents here, | 19:34 |
| kanzure_ | you release the schematics as Alex Kiselev and under some permissive license | 19:34 |
| kanzure_ | and manufacture it as a corporate entity (of some kind or another) | 19:35 |
| kanzure_ | if anything the company would be sued, not you | 19:35 |
| kanzure_ | while patent law trumps copyright law, patent law can't trump your artistic rendering of schematics and CAD files | 19:35 |
| Tyrant | hmm | 19:36 |
| Tyrant | now that sounds like bullshit | 19:38 |
| Tyrant | but i know an ip lawyer | 19:38 |
| Tyrant | i'll talk to him in depth | 19:38 |
| Tyrant | if he's sure that i cant get sued over open source cad/schematics/etc then ill make it open source right away | 19:38 |
| kanzure_ | that's what LLCs are for, anyway | 19:38 |
| kanzure_ | note: if you publish *someone else's work* with a different license, then you're doing something illegal | 19:39 |
| kanzure_ | but so far all you're talking about is schematics/CAD based on patents | 19:39 |
| kanzure_ | (patent documents are in the public domain) | 19:39 |
| Tyrant | what constitutes someone else's work though | 19:39 |
| Tyrant | based on published research | 19:39 |
| kanzure_ | someone else's CAD file or schematic, copied verbatim | 19:39 |
| kanzure_ | i.e. a copyright law violation | 19:39 |
| Tyrant | ah no I don't have any of those | 19:40 |
| Tyrant | shitty scientific journal diagrams is mostly what i Have | 19:40 |
| kanzure_ | if you sublicense someone's patent for $100k/year, and they give you an exclusive license to some CAD files, and you re-license those ==> illegal | 19:40 |
| Tyrant | like i said dont have any cad files from others | 19:41 |
| Tyrant | :) | 19:41 |
| Tyrant | Does the usual software licenses extend to hardware or do i have to use something else like ohanda? | 19:42 |
| Tyrant | *OSHA | 19:42 |
| kanzure_ | people have been using GPL for hardware | 19:42 |
| kanzure_ | some people on thingiverse use Creative Commons CC-BY-SA for hardware | 19:43 |
| kanzure_ | others use TAPR.. honestly, GPL or CC-BY-SA should be ok for now | 19:43 |
| kanzure_ | OHANDA is more of a trademark, not a license | 19:43 |
| kanzure_ | ("the OHANDA group is pretty sure this meets most of the definitions of open source, so it gets to use the OHANDA stamp of approval") | 19:43 |
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| QuantumG | hey | 22:21 |
| ybit | thoughts on skdb? | 22:21 |
| QuantumG | nope | 22:21 |
| ybit | :D | 22:21 |
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