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| fenn | yep, definitely don't want to be using ssh over a touchscreen | 03:12 |
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| fenn | i wonder why small chording keyboards aren't more popular | 03:13 |
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| ybit | there are no laws for working on with neural tissue at your house right? | 03:36 |
| ybit | you could order an MEA, coatings, adhesives, some culture and go at it | 03:38 |
| * ybit thinks | 03:38 | |
| fenn | there are MTA's for tissue culture. also you need other stuff to keep the culture alive, like antibiotics, which aren't hard to get but aren't grocery store items either | 03:46 |
| fenn | and there are laws about chopping up mice for science, even if wanton killing for the sake of killing is perfectly fine. go figure | 03:46 |
| fenn | "The statute prohibits the killing of a newborn dog or cat whose eyes have not yet opened by any other method than by the use of chloroform vapor or by inoculation of barbiturates." clearly, what better method could we possibly come up with | 03:56 |
| fenn | "This statute prohibits the sale of horsemeat for human consumption. No restaurant, cafe, or other public eating place may offer horsemeat for sale for human consumption. A first time violation is a misdemeanor" | 03:58 |
| splicer | state legislature? | 04:01 |
| fenn | jeez, selling burro/mule meat is a felony | 04:05 |
| fenn | in california | 04:05 |
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| splicer | In the bioethics commission hearings there was a muslim scholar who mentioned that in islam an embryo becomes a person 'when the liver is moist', so they had less of a problem with embryonic stemcell research than the christians where it's murder the second after sperm meets egg. | 04:23 |
| uniqanomaly__ | retards | 04:24 |
| splicer | yupp | 04:24 |
| splicer | don't know where I'd draw the line myself though... when there is a nervous system maybe. | 04:48 |
| uniqanomaly__ | heh | 04:49 |
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| fenn | (more touchscreen ranting) omg is this really the best our civilization can do http://www.schuylersmonsterblog.com/2009/05/pinkessa-and-purple-cow.html | 04:59 |
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| dbolser | http://sbml.org/SBML_Software_Guide/SBML_Software_Matrix | 05:55 |
| dbolser | This matrix provides an at-a-glance summary of software known to us to provide some degree of support for reading, writing, or otherwise working with SBML. | 05:55 |
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| JayDugger | Good morning, everyone. | 06:23 |
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| kanzure | drug smuggling using submarines http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2386761 | 08:56 |
| kanzure | "narcosubs" | 08:57 |
| kanzure | haha an open source narcosub | 08:57 |
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| mayko | http://smallerquestions.blogspot.com/2011/03/virus-killers-are-virophages-alive.html | 10:27 |
| mayko | viruses are so awesome and they just keep getting more awesome rite? | 10:27 |
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| kanzure | heh an fpga blade server for high-frequency trading http://www.stoneridgetechnology.com/products/pci-e-development-boards/hft-development-kit/ | 10:32 |
| kanzure | "Last night John Stewart interviewed Neuroscientist Miguel about his work in creating cybernetic exoskeletons for quadriplegics.cybernetic" | 10:39 |
| kanzure | http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-march-29-2011/miguel-nicolelis | 10:39 |
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| kanzure | i imagine this is roughly the right experience for a 'commit slider' on something like gitduino: | 13:45 |
| kanzure | http://repoplay.com/tree/joshuaclayton/blueprint-css | 13:45 |
| kanzure | except with 3d rendering and github's image diffs: | 13:46 |
| kanzure | https://github.com/cameronmcefee/Image-Diff-View-Modes/commit/8e95f70c9c47168305970e91021072673d7cdad8 | 13:46 |
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| Utopiah | http://blog.wolfram.com/2011/03/30/launching-a-new-era-in-large-scale-systems-modeling/ | 13:59 |
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| kanzure | marcin on the forbes blags: | 15:45 |
| kanzure | http://blogs.forbes.com/jeffmcmahon/2011/03/27/physicist-designs-diy-green-utopia-construction-set/ | 15:45 |
| kanzure | haha uspto dashboard: http://www.uspto.gov/dashboards/patents/main.dashxml | 15:46 |
| kanzure | all of these meters are completely arbitrary, so why use those images in the first place? | 15:47 |
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| JayDugger | Good evening, everyone. | 17:59 |
| JayDugger | RE: repoplay, image diffs, that seems a good idea. Have you seen a 3d version of github's diffs? | 18:06 |
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| JayDugger | Good night, everyone. | 19:39 |
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| kanzure | oh i was completely ignoring this | 20:02 |
| kanzure | http://blog.wolfram.com/2011/03/30/launching-a-new-era-in-large-scale-systems-modeling/ | 20:02 |
| kanzure | but it turns out wolfram bought modelica | 20:02 |
| kanzure | or a company specializing in mathematica-flavored modelica | 20:02 |
| kanzure | "Each component has certain properties and behaviors. But the main idealization—central for example to most existing engineering—is that the components interact with each other only in very definite ways." | 20:03 |
| kanzure | "It doesn’t matter whether the components are electrical, hydraulic, thermodynamic, chemical or whatever. If one looks at models that are used, there are typically just two parameters: one representing some kind of effort, and another some kind of flow." | 20:03 |
| kanzure | for those counting at home there's lots of code in skdb about this | 20:03 |
| fenn | actually no, we never did that | 20:05 |
| fenn | it would have been nice though | 20:05 |
| kanzure | all i said is that there was lots of code written | 20:09 |
| kanzure | by "lots" i probably mean "some" | 20:09 |
| kanzure | h+ might be doing fundraising for "my" open source dna synthesizer project | 20:10 |
| kanzure | i don't really have a project like that | 20:10 |
| kanzure | so uh, what do i do? can i give you the money | 20:10 |
| fenn | um, what. | 20:16 |
| fenn | how much? $20k? | 20:16 |
| kanzure | probably more | 20:25 |
| kanzure | but probably less than $100k | 20:26 |
| kanzure | the project is totally undefined | 20:26 |
| kanzure | they were originally wanting to do a wearable scouter but since i didn't bring them information fast enough.. | 20:26 |
| kanzure | well they would probably still be open to it | 20:27 |
| * fenn waves his magic hands in the air | 20:29 | |
| fenn | mumbo jumbo roshambo | 20:29 |
| fenn | and tada! a plan appears! | 20:29 |
| fenn | i am more interested in the wearable project atm | 20:32 |
| fenn | was reading about stenotype last night, pretty sure there are a gazillion ways to improve on it | 20:33 |
| fenn | it's not really fair to compare key-presses per second to symbols per second to phonemes/briefs per second | 20:34 |
| fenn | i wish people used the appropriate units more often | 20:35 |
| fenn | since when did dictionary definitions take up 20 pages and have multiple diagrams and photographs? http://www.websters-dictionary-online.org/definitions/Keyboard%20%28computing%29?cx=partner-pub-0939450753529744%3Av0qd01-tdlq&cof=FORID%3A9&ie=UTF-8&q=Keyboard%20(computing) | 20:38 |
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| kanzure | fenn: they would need some sort of project document before approving it | 20:43 |
| kanzure | so, i'm trying to figure out how to make this look less like a scam | 20:43 |
| kanzure | because if you were to actually do proper fundraising, you might as well raise enough money to pay normal market rates for tech dev | 20:43 |
| kanzure | but presumably people work on open source projects because they (to some extent) subsidize their time (their cost) to work on something they think is meaningful/useful | 20:44 |
| kanzure | otoh this could totally blow up and be disasterous and more like a consulting project (which *must* be avoided) | 20:44 |
| fenn | why the sudden desire by h+ to actually do something? | 20:49 |
| kanzure | tom got promoted to executive director and crashed at my place for sxsw for a week | 20:49 |
| kanzure | wherein i explained to him that he was totally fucked and wouldn't be able to do anything | 20:50 |
| kanzure | "so you do realize they can fire you at any time, right? it was in the terms" | 20:50 |
| kanzure | "yeah, so?" | 20:50 |
| kanzure | "well it means you can't piss off the board" | 20:50 |
| kanzure | "so?" | 20:50 |
| kanzure | "well, you can't really do anything" | 20:50 |
| kanzure | so i guess he's on a mission to prove otherwise | 20:50 |
| fenn | uh, congrats i guess | 20:50 |
| kanzure | i could care less | 20:51 |
| kanzure | as to where the money comes from, i mean. | 20:51 |
| kanzure | it's better if it goes to something relevant | 20:51 |
| kanzure | i gave them this list a few months ago: | 20:52 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/diytranshuman_projects.v4.html | 20:52 |
| kanzure | which is where they got the dna synthesizer idea from i guess | 20:52 |
| kanzure | for the gada prizes i wrote some technical-schmetual legal bullshit http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/gadastuff/ | 20:54 |
| kanzure | i suppose something like that would be written for whatever project i help define and/or implement | 20:54 |
| kanzure | 20:54 | |
| kanzure | reprapgrandprize.v0.3.pdf08-Feb-2011 19:18 225K | 20:54 |
| kanzure | eek ignore | 20:54 |
| fenn | i'm sort of discouraged by goertzel's comments along the lines of "chill out dude, it's expected that we screw the people working for us" | 20:56 |
| fenn | at least if i have zero funding i know that it's going to remain zero | 20:57 |
| kanzure | well ideally this would be a one-time transfer of money, with no management overhead | 20:57 |
| kanzure | the upside is that humanity+ gets some of the "credit" or whatever | 20:57 |
| fenn | so i'll make some spiffy designerly drawings or something | 20:59 |
| kanzure | if there is management overhead involved then i'd recommend not doing it | 20:59 |
| kanzure | well, be honest, what should we actually be doing with money for a hardware project | 20:59 |
| fenn | define "we" | 20:59 |
| kanzure | "we" as people in this room deciding what to do with some money | 20:59 |
| kanzure | to me it seems like paying for the equivalent work of hardware packaging | 21:00 |
| kanzure | plus implementation and testing and maybe a few prototypes | 21:00 |
| kanzure | (not mass production of kits, unless you or someone else wanted to do that.. uhm.) | 21:00 |
| fenn | (the bottom fell out of the reprap market...) | 21:00 |
| kanzure | what? | 21:00 |
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| fenn | part sets are selling for $50-100 on ebay | 21:01 |
| kanzure | nice | 21:01 |
| fenn | not incl electronics etc | 21:01 |
| kanzure | huh? then what parts | 21:01 |
| fenn | plastic parts | 21:01 |
| kanzure | plastic-hard-to-source stuff? ok | 21:01 |
| fenn | i want to help anselm build a utilimaker based pipetting robot | 21:02 |
| kanzure | is he still living with you | 21:02 |
| fenn | yes | 21:02 |
| kanzure | yeah that sounds reasonable | 21:02 |
| kanzure | i'm sort of worried about an anselm+fenn mashup though, sounds dangerous | 21:03 |
| fenn | it is | 21:03 |
| fenn | he's manic, i'm depressed, together we form the ultimate axis of causality! | 21:04 |
| kanzure | we'd need to figure out how to make some sort of transfer of the money from h+ | 21:04 |
| fenn | kanzure there's so much stuff going on in the bay area | 21:04 |
| fenn | how can it be that i'm the only person H+ knows that can actually do stuff? | 21:05 |
| kanzure | because h+ is full of fucking shit? | 21:05 |
| fenn | but they're swimming in "where it's at" | 21:05 |
| kanzure | no they're not | 21:05 |
| kanzure | "OMG WE JUST FOUND OUT ABOUT IPHONES!!!" | 21:05 |
| kanzure | "AUGMENTED REALITY IS GOING TO BE THE FUTURE!!!" | 21:06 |
| fenn | "PENTALOBULAR SCREWS!!!" | 21:06 |
| kanzure | so wait, h+ seems unlikely to just hand over money | 21:06 |
| kanzure | "no we raised the money so we're going to be in control of it" seems very likely | 21:07 |
| fenn | of course | 21:07 |
| kanzure | heh one way it might work is that i can set you (or someone else) up on a retainer with them | 21:07 |
| kanzure | and basically they will be contractually obligated to fund whatever the fuck you're doing | 21:08 |
| kanzure | of course, this is a hard sale to make | 21:08 |
| kanzure | but it's probably the only one that would work | 21:08 |
| fenn | gosh that would be nice | 21:08 |
| fenn | like the disney imagineers | 21:08 |
| kanzure | even if there's some certain set of deliverables i can't imagine that would turn out nice | 21:08 |
| kanzure | i don't mean to be rude but i doubt you have sufficient experience with "deliverable negotiations" like that :p | 21:09 |
| fenn | no, i have no idea how to estimate anything | 21:09 |
| kanzure | when i do deliverables on consulting projects, my clients usually complain | 21:09 |
| fenn | without deliverables though you're stuck with hourly wages which is a perverse incentive, and stupid | 21:10 |
| fenn | otherwise you're stuck with feature creep and revisionism | 21:10 |
| kanzure | right | 21:10 |
| kanzure | which is definitely what would happen. | 21:10 |
| fenn | "ok now make it shoot lasers from the eyeballs" | 21:11 |
| kanzure | contracts are supposed to prevent that, but ha ha | 21:11 |
| fenn | contracts are supposed to define what you're doing, aka deliverables | 21:11 |
| kanzure | another way to do this would be to have humanity+ put me in control of the money | 21:11 |
| kanzure | since i "work for them" | 21:12 |
| kanzure | and just be subject to quarterly reviews (or w/e) | 21:12 |
| kanzure | would that work? | 21:13 |
| fenn | are you still "director of research"? | 21:13 |
| kanzure | yep | 21:13 |
| kanzure | AND DEVELOPMENT | 21:13 |
| kanzure | jeesh get it right | 21:13 |
| fenn | *cough* bullshit whatver *cough* okay | 21:13 |
| kanzure | :p | 21:14 |
| kanzure | i think this is the only way it's likely to work | 21:14 |
| fenn | (side note, i think h+ should fund an impartial review of various nootropics) | 21:14 |
| kanzure | my time is taken up on hopper right now, so basically my role would be 'protecting fenn (or whoever else) from bullshit and cutting giant checks' | 21:15 |
| fenn | you know, make it all classy and statistically significant | 21:15 |
| kanzure | or hell significant, at all? | 21:15 |
| fenn | deltaself.com is doing something along those lines | 21:15 |
| fenn | how the hell do these people not talk to each other | 21:16 |
| fenn | fenn's previous roommate, meet fenn's previous roomate, meet fenn's current roomate | 21:16 |
| * fenn sighs | 21:16 | |
| fenn | is todd huffman still involved at all? | 21:17 |
| kanzure | no he's dropped off the board and presumably has lost interest | 21:17 |
| fenn | http://www.deltaself.com/2011/03/im-recruiting-are-you-interested-in-a-self-experimentation-study/ | 21:18 |
| kanzure | so, they're putting together a letter header to grantmakers or whatever | 21:18 |
| kanzure | to get a large donation ($100k ish) | 21:18 |
| kanzure | and presumably there's a need for a more formal understanding of what you or i want to do | 21:18 |
| fenn | well that depends on what they want me to do, doesn't it? | 21:19 |
| kanzure | rather than a vague line about WEARABLESeleventyone | 21:19 |
| kanzure | wrong attitude dude, it should be "here is what i am doing and bryan should make money appear for this" | 21:19 |
| fenn | oh, i know exactly what the wearable project is going to look like | 21:19 |
| fenn | i will sit down and splain it tonight | 21:20 |
| kanzure | maybe tom will join the channel in a few minutes | 21:20 |
| fenn | i meant with pictures, since i know h+ can't read | 21:20 |
| kanzure | READIN UR MIND, WITH txtPIX | 21:21 |
| ybit | fenn: i want to know what you plan on doing for input | 21:21 |
| fenn | d(-_-)b | 21:21 |
| fenn | ybit: plan A is to chop two dell keyboards in half and strap one to each thigh; plan B is something like a steno keyboard cut in half on each thigh | 21:22 |
| ybit | i've been thinking on this the past few days while drinking with friends, which basically means i was talking to myself | 21:22 |
| fenn | plan C involves head mounted accelerometer/magnetometer, eye tracking and blink detection | 21:22 |
| kanzure | calling him.. | 21:22 |
| * ybit is afk for ~10mins | 21:23 | |
| fenn | plan B.5 is something like http://www.sigchi.org/chi97/proceedings/paper/fkm.htm | 21:24 |
| kanzure | well that's dumb. if you're away from your computer, you should label yourself as away | 21:24 |
| fenn | i'd probably use /away more if irssi automatically turned it off when i started typing | 21:24 |
| kanzure | tom's im client lists him as available | 21:24 |
| kanzure | but he was sleeping | 21:25 |
| fenn | regarding plan B.5 i don't get why nobody has used wacom style position measurement for fingers | 21:26 |
| fenn | wireless, no power usage in the rings | 21:26 |
| fenn | anyway, that's real technology development; i'm just putting together glorified lego bricks | 21:27 |
| fenn | is tom going to join? or should i go make breakfast? | 21:30 |
| kanzure | he's sleeping | 21:30 |
| fenn | okay, bbl | 21:30 |
| ybit | i don't think a or b are good options | 21:30 |
| fenn | that's nice | 21:31 |
| ybit | well, b is okay i guess | 21:31 |
| ybit | coding with a steno doesn't seem like it would be fun | 21:31 |
| fenn | no, you have to learn it first | 21:31 |
| kanzure | most people will just complain that virtual keyboards on smartphones are good enough (they're not) | 21:31 |
| fenn | omg i just spent like 3 hours torturing myself with the android keyboards last night | 21:32 |
| fenn | they are NOT good enough | 21:32 |
| kanzure | what are you doing using an android? don't you know better | 21:32 |
| ybit | hrm... | 21:32 |
| fenn | yes i know better, but i wanted music on my phone | 21:32 |
| fenn | it was mostly to confirm my suspicions | 21:32 |
| * fenn makes more excuses | 21:33 | |
| ybit | b.5 sounds interesting | 21:34 |
| ybit | as does plan c | 21:35 |
| * ybit would have a difficult time with the blinking | 21:35 | |
| ybit | can has eeg headband? | 21:36 |
| kanzure | eeg is useless for this | 21:37 |
| kanzure | no thanks | 21:37 |
| ybit | off-topic | 21:42 |
| ybit | activism | 21:42 |
| ybit | what are your (anyone) thoughts on it? | 21:42 |
| ybit | let's take this bradley manning case e.g. | 21:43 |
| ybit | the rallies bring about media attention, but what change are you making outside of adding an arrest case to your record | 21:44 |
| fenn | hint: don't brag about giving away state secrets | 21:53 |
| ybit | don't think i'll ever be in his shoes, i was trying to figure out the motivations behind protesters | 21:56 |
| ybit | still working on that | 21:57 |
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