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| JayDugger | Good morning, everyone. | 02:12 |
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| JayDugger | @kanzure, I don't know why O.S.E. keeps ignoring you, but your overwhelming success will eventually force their attention. | 02:12 |
| JayDugger | Yes, that assumption should encourage you. I want my backyard atomic rocket, dammit. | 02:23 |
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| QuantumG | aneutronic fusion rocket thanks | 03:23 |
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| JayDugger | I don't like my neighbors that much. | 04:28 |
| JayDugger | But you do have a point. | 04:28 |
| JayDugger | One should keep the spaceport neat and tidy. | 04:28 |
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| foucist | i support this idea of backyard rocket spacesports | 04:54 |
| foucist | how can i help? | 04:54 |
| foucist | guess we need a good reprap first? | 04:54 |
| * foucist gets to work on evolving nano reprap | 04:55 | |
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| kanzure | functional neuroimaging of adhd | 05:45 |
| kanzure | http://www.nitrc.org/plugins/mwiki/index.php/neurobureau:BurnerPipeline | 05:45 |
| kanzure | data: http://www.nitrc.org/frs/downloadlink.php/3417 | 05:45 |
| kanzure | it's about 2GB (DARTEL_mwrc1.tar.gz) | 05:49 |
| * dbolser sucks up teh MW http://www.nitrc.org/plugins/mwiki/api.php | 05:50 | |
| kanzure | http://www.baipatra.ws/ "the automated hydrology search engine" what? | 05:50 |
| kanzure | foucist: you can help by using skdb and yelling at us when it breaks | 05:51 |
| dbolser | bleah: http://www.nitrc.org/plugins/mwiki/api.php?action=query&meta=siteinfo | 05:51 |
| dbolser | 1.12 ... no good fo rme | 05:52 |
| kanzure | dbolser: complain to Cameron Craddock <cameron.craddock@vt.edu> | 05:53 |
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| kanzure | hi lumos | 05:53 |
| lumos | kanzure, hey | 05:54 |
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| foucist | kanzure: how can i "use" this sk8rdb | 06:18 |
| foucist | aside from complaining about the stupid name.. jk ;P | 06:18 |
| foucist | seriously bro.. for a cool idea, does it need such an obtuse name? :P | 06:19 |
| kanzure | look up in the logs about naming | 06:21 |
| kanzure | if you have a better idea let us know | 06:21 |
| foucist | hardpacman would be funny (i like archlinux) | 06:38 |
| foucist | kanzure: what does skdb actually stand for ? | 06:38 |
| dbolser | kanzure: ty | 06:38 |
| kanzure | foucist: something something something something | 06:39 |
| kanzure | hardpacman is kind of verbose | 06:40 |
| kanzure | smari used to hang out here but then split and made tangiblebit :P | 06:40 |
| kanzure | um, naming doesn't matter as much | 06:40 |
| kanzure | for all these years we have acquired exactly zero new package maintainers | 06:41 |
| kanzure | the other part of the problem is that most hardware projects don't have packages so it requires someone intimately familiar with the project to actually be involved in packaging | 06:42 |
| kanzure | in software projects you have source code, you compile it, and everyone agrees whether or not it compiles | 06:42 |
| kanzure | with hardware there's maybe a few napkins of schematics.. or photos.. somewhere | 06:42 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/cgit/dremelfuge is an ok example of a working skdb package, but not the best | 06:43 |
| kanzure | screw.git/lego.git are slightly more interesting | 06:43 |
| foucist | kanzure: tangiblebit is a pretty nice name | 06:46 |
| kanzure | yes | 06:46 |
| foucist | lego.git hmm i like that | 06:46 |
| kanzure | the files: | 06:46 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/cgit/lego | 06:46 |
| foucist | no i meant, as a name | 06:47 |
| foucist | legodb | 06:47 |
| foucist | heh | 06:47 |
| kanzure | it's also the beginnings of a python/lego library | 06:47 |
| foucist | yuck http://tangiblebit.com/ just looks like a placeholder | 06:48 |
| foucist | not active i guess | 06:48 |
| kanzure | see #tangiblebit | 06:48 |
| kanzure | i guess i should put up their git repo | 06:49 |
| kanzure | since it no longer exists (what) | 06:49 |
| kanzure | foucist: if you're interested, it will be uploaded over here in a few minutes: http://diyhpl.us/cgit/tangiblebit | 06:51 |
| kanzure | hmm where did the thingiverse dump go | 06:53 |
| kanzure | foucist: did i tell you the gitduino plans? | 06:54 |
| kanzure | tangiblebit.git is ~170MB it will take longer than "a few minutes" sorry (US consumer broadband..woo) | 06:55 |
| foucist | gitduino eh? sounds interesting | 06:57 |
| foucist | arduino plans? | 06:57 |
| kanzure | no | 06:57 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/stl2pov/dremelfuge/305fce14356203666ebffe6141630bd2b8f240c3/dremelfuge-v4.scad-72422eca27.png | 06:58 |
| kanzure | more like thingiverse+git | 06:58 |
| kanzure | Emergence of physiological oscillation frequencies in a computer model of neocortex. | 07:07 |
| kanzure | Neymotin SA, Lee H, Park E, Fenton AA and Lytton WW (2011) | 07:07 |
| kanzure | paper: http://www.frontiersin.org/computational_neuroscience/10.3389/fncom.2011.00019/full | 07:07 |
| kanzure | NEURON model: http://senselab.med.yale.edu/ModelDB/ShowModel.asp?model=138379 | 07:07 |
| kanzure | "In this article we simulated a moderately-detailed neuronal network model with detailed wiring | 07:08 |
| kanzure | and found that it was able to reproduce physiological oscillation patterns observed in-vivo. | 07:08 |
| kanzure | Direct comparison of the power spectra with experimentally recorded local field potentials from | 07:08 |
| kanzure | prefrontal cortex of awake rat showed substantial similarities, including comparable patterns of | 07:08 |
| kanzure | cross-frequency coupling." | 07:08 |
| kanzure | that was via: Sam Neymotin <samn@neurosim.downstate.edu> | 07:09 |
| kanzure | dbolser: oops. sorry about getting the admin wrong :( | 07:15 |
| dbolser | kanzure: np, meant to cc you originally but forgot | 07:18 |
| kanzure | foucist: http://diyhpl.us/cgit/tangiblebit is done | 07:22 |
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| kanzure | fightaging.org is trying "pay-per-word" bounties :/ http://50.19.107.57/bounties | 08:44 |
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| kanzure | i still have to come up with a handful of predictions for that guy | 11:10 |
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| Utopiah | http://datadryad.org/depositing CC0 data repository for biosciences (~600 packages) | 12:26 |
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| delinquentme | getting my wisdom teeth FROZEN! | 13:36 |
| delinquentme | a bit excited | 13:36 |
| delinquentme | +1 biohacker | 13:36 |
| ybit | delinquentme: that's pretty neat | 13:38 |
| ybit | how'd you manage this? | 13:38 |
| delinquentme | ybit, available service haha | 13:39 |
| delinquentme | they've got apparently a p... | 13:39 |
| delinquentme | *googles stemsave* | 13:39 |
| delinquentme | Hmmmm well they said they had a patented cryo container | 13:40 |
| delinquentme | i get them yanked .. and im actually excited about it hahah | 13:40 |
| * ybit needs wisdom teeth yanked as well | 13:41 | |
| * ybit isn't too excited about it though :) | 13:41 | |
| ybit | mostly because there isn't something to brag about like, having them frozen and shipped to the moon | 13:41 |
| delinquentme | ybit, id check em out man ! | 13:42 |
| delinquentme | they mail the ortho a container | 13:42 |
| ybit | when i can't chew my snickers bar, i'll look into it | 13:42 |
| delinquentme | LOL | 13:42 |
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| kanzure | strages: going to isdc? | 14:20 |
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| delinquentme | kanzure, http://www.sciencemag.org/content/287/5461/2196.long << got this guy? | 15:15 |
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| kanzure | no, can you link me to the abstract first? | 15:28 |
| delinquentme | lemme see if i can dig the link back up .. it was a paper on AMOS | 15:32 |
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| JayDugger | Good afternoon, everyone. | 16:26 |
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| ybit | kanzure: do you have ISO 10303-42, Geometric and topological representation, by chance? | 17:13 |
| kanzure | yawn not necessary | 17:20 |
| ybit | why | 17:20 |
| ybit | i want | 17:20 |
| kanzure | no you don't | 17:20 |
| kanzure | get back to work | 17:20 |
| ybit | i are try to work | 17:20 |
| ybit | i are want distraction | 17:20 |
| kanzure | then go get an EXPRESS compiler working | 17:21 |
| ybit | :'( | 17:21 |
| ybit | why is it not necessary? | 17:21 |
| ybit | because we has internets? | 17:22 |
| ybit | and there's plenty of other documentation?... | 17:22 |
| kanzure | because 10303-42 is not used anywhere | 17:22 |
| ybit | 308CHF for that doc, fml | 17:23 |
| kanzure | ? | 17:24 |
| kanzure | why would you want it | 17:24 |
| ybit | http://www.iso.org/iso/iso_catalogue/catalogue_tc/catalogue_detail.htm?csnumber=37846 | 17:24 |
| ybit | i want to read it | 17:24 |
| ybit | i don't know hy | 17:24 |
| ybit | why* | 17:24 |
| ybit | it seems important | 17:24 |
| kanzure | so you're just doing things because..? | 17:25 |
| ybit | i ask that question often, but get nowhere | 17:26 |
| kanzure | do you want something to do? | 17:27 |
| JayDugger | If so, how much do you charge? | 17:27 |
| ybit | gitduino is something to do | 17:31 |
| ybit | i'll get to it soon enough | 17:31 |
| kanzure | if you wanted to do gitduino you should just write a gem for gitorious | 17:31 |
| ybit | noted | 17:32 |
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| ybit | someone please use your hax0r skills to get me a username and password to http://ng.tc184-sc4.org/ | 18:21 |
| kanzure | yeah i have one | 18:53 |
| kanzure | try kanzure/tc184sc4 | 18:53 |
| kanzure | also you can break into their mailing lists (they call it "exploder lists") | 18:54 |
| kanzure | but it's really boring email discussion and i don't know how these people ever end up getting anything done | 18:55 |
| kanzure | (like, do these people even know the full toolchain going on here?) | 18:55 |
| kanzure | side-effect is that i don't know how to filter out their emails from my inbox now | 18:55 |
| kanzure | because they aren't sent from a specific address but instead by individuals and it seems to be intercepted mid-flight and bcc'd to me | 18:55 |
| ybit | kanzure/tc184sc4 doesn't work :) | 18:56 |
| ybit | Warning: best check yo credentials.. | 18:57 |
| ybit | is what it says | 18:57 |
| kanzure | it says "yo credentials"? really? | 18:57 |
| ybit | along those lines | 18:57 |
| kanzure | anyway if you look closely there are some documents that are publicly available, | 18:57 |
| ybit | yeah, i did | 18:57 |
| kanzure | and if you modify the url you can access the other documents without logging in | 18:57 |
| ybit | but the good stuff is locked away | 18:57 |
| ybit | i don't know how to modify the url so that i can access these docs | 18:58 |
| kanzure | ok one sec | 18:58 |
| kanzure | wget http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/ng-tc184-sc4-downloader.url.txt | 18:59 |
| kanzure | wget -i ng-tc184-sc4-downloader.url.txt | 18:59 |
| kanzure | here are the files that will download: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/ng-tc184-sc4-files.txt | 19:00 |
| ybit | how did you get that? | 19:01 |
| ybit | wget -i http://ng.tc184-sc4.org or something...? | 19:01 |
| kanzure | oops. download that last one again (i've re-sorted it so that the line number roughly corresponds to the ID number in the other file if you want to go spelunking) | 19:01 |
| kanzure | wget -i just means "download each file listed in this file" | 19:02 |
| ybit | oh | 19:02 |
| ybit | so how'd you get the list of docs? | 19:02 |
| ybit | i was googling around for just this earler | 19:02 |
| ybit | earlier | 19:02 |
| kanzure | http://ng.tc184-sc4.org/FileDownloadInclude.cfm?Type=D&ID=3256 | 19:02 |
| kanzure | http://ng.tc184-sc4.org/FileDownloadInclude.cfm?Type=D&ID=3257 | 19:02 |
| kanzure | http://ng.tc184-sc4.org/FileDownloadInclude.cfm?Type=D&ID=3258 | 19:02 |
| kanzure | this isn't a hard pattern to guess | 19:02 |
| kanzure | the ID number is just monotonically increasing | 19:02 |
| ybit | STEP is er.. like ID 39 | 19:03 |
| ybit | iirc | 19:03 |
| kanzure | no these ID numbers are just random | 19:03 |
| kanzure | hmm actually ng-tc184-sc4-downloader.url.txt is incomplete | 19:04 |
| ybit | ..from reading the source of a cfm file somewhere on their site | 19:04 |
| kanzure | basically i did 0 to 70000 but i'm pretty sure i only got 3298 files in the end (however, lots of id numbers had nothing) | 19:04 |
| kanzure | no.. just by looking at the url in my browser :P | 19:05 |
| kanzure | cfm is coldfusion and parsed on the server-side so you can't read their server-side code really | 19:05 |
| kanzure | btw you might also be interested in: | 19:06 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/tc184-sc4-links-more.txt | 19:06 |
| ybit | http://ng.tc184-sc4.org/index.cfm?PID=98&FID=50192 | 19:07 |
| kanzure | hah oh man i forgot about this http://locke.dcnicn.com/bugzilla/iso10303 | 19:07 |
| kanzure | ybit: yeah, i don't remember if FID is 1-to-1 with the ID= parameter on FileDownloadInclude.cfm | 19:08 |
| ybit | PopMenu1_8_1=new Array('ISO 10303 (STEP)','http://ng.tc184-sc4.org/index.cfm?PID=48', | 19:08 |
| ybit | it was id 48, my bad | 19:08 |
| kanzure | but again those 4000~ files are more than you will ever need ...or want | 19:09 |
| ybit | um.. how did you get that list again? | 19:09 |
| kanzure | wget -i ng-tc184-sc4-downloader.url.txt; ls -l > ng-tc184-sc4-files.txt; scp -p ng-tc184-sc4-files.txt bryan@gnusha.org:~/public_html/irc/ | 19:10 |
| ybit | i meant you personally | 19:10 |
| kanzure | for x in {0..70000}; do echo "http://ng.tc184-sc4.org/FileDownloadInclude.cfm?Type=D&ID=$x" >> ng-tc184-sc4-downloader.url.txt; done | 19:12 |
| ybit | http://ng.tc184-sc4.org/2004-09-07-ISOTC-184SC-4-MONTHLY-NOTIFICATION-OF-PROJECTS_AT_RISK.htm 404s (just some random file) | 19:12 |
| ybit | oh | 19:12 |
| kanzure | then "wget -i.." downloads all of the files | 19:12 |
| ybit | oh | 19:13 |
| ybit | guess i've got some raping to do | 19:13 |
| kanzure | ybit: there's also some more files here: | 19:15 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/alvarestech.com/temp/0steptools/ | 19:16 |
| kanzure | tell me when you're done with that so i can move it back to wherever | 19:16 |
| kanzure | you also need tunes while hacking away: http://www.di.fm/mp3/vocaltrance.pls | 19:21 |
| QuantumG | and despite all my rage I am still just a rate in cage. | 19:38 |
| QuantumG | rat* | 19:38 |
| QuantumG | fail | 19:38 |
| kanzure | hm? | 19:40 |
| QuantumG | coffee, it's not as strong as meth-amphetamines but you get to keep your teeth | 19:40 |
| kanzure | QuantumG: you mean http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNMwZbcSdzc#t=35 ? | 19:41 |
| QuantumG | I love all the alternate lyrics in the comment section | 19:43 |
| kanzure | what brought that up anyway | 19:45 |
| QuantumG | hmm.. let me think back.. I'm watching all the Freeman's Mind videos and he said something like "I'm just a rat in a maze" | 19:46 |
| kanzure | ok. because i watched that video for the first time like, yesterday | 19:47 |
| kanzure | and still roughly knew the offset :/ | 19:47 |
| kanzure | QuantumG: would you be interested in http://play.typeracer.com/?rt=trkanzure perhaps | 19:56 |
| QuantumG | nah, but thanks | 19:56 |
| kanzure | :'( | 19:57 |
| ybit | kanzure, little of interest from that fetch | 20:05 |
| ybit | fetching the 0steptools stuff now | 20:06 |
| ybit | one of those mentions some type of interface with java for express | 20:07 |
| ybit | there she is: FileDownloadInclude.cfm?Type=D&ID=3432 | 20:08 |
| ybit | ISO/CD 10303-27 | 20:08 |
| ybit | Standard title: Product data representation and exchange: Java programming language binding to the standard data access interface with Internet/Intranet extensions | 20:08 |
| ybit | ABSTRACT: This document specifies a binding of the Java programming language to application data modeled in EXPRESS and to the standard data access interface, ISO 10303-22. | 20:08 |
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| kanzure | sure.. or just use osexpress.sf.net | 20:11 |
| kanzure | also some of the links i've given you are to .jar files that contain express parsers/compilers | 20:12 |
| kanzure | or implementations of the sdai libraries | 20:12 |
| ybit | ugh, this is disappointing | 20:42 |
| kanzure | sup? | 20:48 |
| ybit | don't have any of the docs wanted, and i'm starting to not care for STEP | 20:52 |
| ybit | screw a standard that isn't free | 20:52 |
| kanzure | what docs do you want specifically | 20:52 |
| kanzure | AP203 and AP214 are really the only parts of the standard that matter | 20:53 |
| ybit | i want to read ISO 10303-42 | 20:53 |
| kanzure | whyyyy | 20:53 |
| kanzure | i don't understand | 20:53 |
| ybit | it tells you how to represent geometric shapes in STEP | 20:54 |
| kanzure | no AP203 does that | 20:54 |
| ybit | SO 10303-42:2003 specifies the resource constructs for the explicit geometric and topological representation of the shape of a product | 20:54 |
| ybit | from http://www.iso.org/iso/iso_catalogue/catalogue_tc/catalogue_detail.htm?csnumber=37846 | 20:54 |
| kanzure | yeah.. there's tons of redundancy | 20:54 |
| kanzure | but really, nobody uses 10303-42 | 20:54 |
| kanzure | i guarantee that the definition is exactly the same as the geometry subset of AP203 | 20:55 |
| ybit | hrm | 20:55 |
| ybit | i'll look for 203 | 20:55 |
| kanzure | btw i have 15531-42 if that would satisfy you :P | 20:55 |
| kanzure | ybit: i've given you that | 20:56 |
| kanzure | at least yesterday | 20:56 |
| ybit | Recommended Practices for AP 203 | 20:56 |
| ybit | i think that's the one | 20:56 |
| kanzure | well .. no | 20:56 |
| kanzure | AP203.expr is what you want | 20:56 |
| ybit | grumble | 20:56 |
| kanzure | but if you want something to read (like in English) then Recommended Practices, sure | 20:56 |
| kanzure | .exp actually? | 20:56 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/step/ | 20:57 |
| kanzure | here: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/step/10303-203-aim-long.exp | 20:57 |
| kanzure | and: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/step/part203.exp | 20:57 |
| ybit | AP203E2_November_2008.exp AP203E2_November_2008_Shortnames.txt AP203E2_September_2007.exp | 20:57 |
| ybit | one of those | 20:57 |
| kanzure | and: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/step/p214unx.exp | 20:57 |
| ybit | i'm going nov/2008 | 20:57 |
| ybit | +with | 20:57 |
| kanzure | AP203/AP214 are the two that are implemented (separately?) by Solidworks | 20:58 |
| kanzure | and i think opencascade does at least AP203 | 20:58 |
| * kanzure is moving the other files into ~/bryan/irc/step/ from earlier tonight in case anyone goes looking for them | 20:59 | |
| ybit | http://pdesinc.aticorp.org/ | 21:28 |
| ybit | looks like i need to become a member of this just to get access to PDFs | 21:28 |
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| ybit | here goes.. | 21:28 |
| ybit | email sent to becky imhoff | 21:31 |
| ybit | error 550 o.O | 21:32 |
| kanzure | for http://pdesinc.aticorp.org/downloadable_files/STEPapplicationhandbook63006BF.pdf ? | 21:33 |
| ybit | nope | 21:34 |
| ybit | i want all the docs | 21:34 |
| ybit | also | 21:35 |
| ybit | http://www.uspro.org/documents/IGES5-3_forDownload.pdf | 21:35 |
| ybit | that's how it should be | 21:35 |
| ybit | that's the IGES spec | 21:35 |
| kanzure | IGES docs are easily available.. | 21:35 |
| ybit | for x in {0..70000}; do echo "http://ng.tc184-sc4.org/FileDownloadInclude.cfm?Type=D&ID=$x" >> ng-tc184-sc4-downloader.url.txt; done | 21:43 |
| kanzure | sup? | 21:44 |
| ybit | was about to say something, but i'll refrain | 21:46 |
| kanzure | go ahead | 21:46 |
| ybit | figuring out how you retrieved those files | 21:46 |
| kanzure | make sense yet? | 21:46 |
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| ybit | ng-tc184-sc4-downloader.url.txt has files from 3256 to 70000 | 21:47 |
| ybit | if that's true, it has file listings of 66744 docs | 21:47 |
| kanzure | for some reason i paused the downloads at 3256 and wanted to continue | 21:48 |
| kanzure | so i took out the first 3255 | 21:48 |
| kanzure | there's really not 66744 docs on their site | 21:48 |
| ybit | :) | 21:48 |
| kanzure | since i don't know the real id numbers, i just guessed | 21:48 |
| kanzure | and i was right | 21:48 |
| ybit | how did you retrieve the files? | 21:49 |
| kanzure | wget -i ng-tc184-sc4-downloader.url.txt | 21:49 |
| ybit | wget "http://ng.tc184-sc4.org/FileDownloadInclude.cfm?Type=D&ID=3256" fails..hrm.. lemme try | 21:49 |
| kanzure | how does it fail? | 21:49 |
| ybit | that works | 21:49 |
| kanzure | if it's a 404 then that just means that id doesn't correspond to a file | 21:50 |
| ybit | it has to do with the name not having a backslash or %20 i'm guessing | 21:50 |
| kanzure | wut | 21:50 |
| kanzure | anyway, you should start with n=0 and work up to n=70000 if you want to make sure you get as much as you can | 21:50 |
| ybit | oh, i know what was happening i needed to use my custom grab command instead of wget | 21:51 |
| kanzure | you might have to spoof a user agent with --user-agent="motherfucker" or something | 21:52 |
| ybit | right | 21:52 |
| ybit | alias "grab"="wget -e robots=off --no-parent --random-wait --user-agent='Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv: 1.9.0.3) Gecko/200809216 Firefox/3.0.3'" | 21:52 |
| kanzure | maybe a slightly more recent user agent string would be appropriate for your alias :) | 21:53 |
| ybit | heh, yeah :) | 21:53 |
| foucist | ybit: just put that in your .wgetrc file | 22:30 |
| foucist | i used to overload my aliases like that | 22:30 |
| foucist | now i just have .wgetrc, .mplayer etc | 22:30 |
| foucist | i throw them all in .dotfiles/ and symlink them | 22:30 |
| foucist | and put .dotfiles under git | 22:30 |
| kanzure | g'night | 22:41 |
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