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| fenn | "ways to improve human intelligence" review article http://www.winwenger.com/intellig.htm | 04:07 |
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| fenn | i gotta say i didnt feel smarter after playing underwater hockey | 04:09 |
| fenn | okay nevermind, please ignore | 04:09 |
| uniqanomaly | dude, great site :> | 04:43 |
| kanzure | "Bryan, if you wish, get your young colleagues to suppress ageing with a full combination of judicious inhibition of constitutive NF-kB signalling; inhibition of oxidative stress via ROS amplifiers of cytoplasmic NADPHoxidases and p66SHC;" | 05:05 |
| kanzure | "downregulation of PI3K-Akt-mTOR (...and upregulation of FOXO3a); inhibition of p16ink4a; upregulation of Nrf2; and maintenance of the circadian rhythm; upregulation of systemic IGF-1 and downregulation of intra-niche IGF-1." | 05:05 |
| kanzure | "I use flavonoids (including prenylated ones); vanillinoids; sterols; terpenoids; xanthines; macrolides; other ring lactones; and lately I've been looking at polycyclic polyethers." | 05:06 |
| uniqanomaly | "There is a controversial US patent (US patent 6,410,516)[54] that applies to the discovery and use of agents that can block NF-κB for therapeutic purposes." | 05:28 |
| uniqanomaly | lmao | 05:28 |
| kanzure | uniqanomaly: if you want to read up on this shit, | 05:28 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/longevity/ | 05:28 |
| kanzure | i'm still not sure why the oxidative stress battle hasn't been resolved yet.. | 05:29 |
| uniqanomaly | ok, thx | 05:30 |
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| JayDugger | Good morning, everyone. | 06:23 |
| fenn | grr.. i feel like my degree in molecular biology should have caused me to recognize at least one of those acronyms | 06:29 |
| kanzure | fenn: atthe very least, NADPHoxidase | 06:32 |
| fenn | well, now that you mention it, i know what that is | 06:33 |
| kanzure | mTOR is also something you should know just by hanging out in here | 06:34 |
| fenn | how big is ~bryan/papers2? | 06:34 |
| kanzure | "target of rapamyacin" | 06:34 |
| kanzure | 711 MB | 06:34 |
| kanzure | oh | 06:34 |
| kanzure | 711 MB ~bryan/papers2/longevity/ | 06:35 |
| kanzure | 7.6 GB ~bryan/papers2 | 06:35 |
| fenn | aha | 06:35 |
| fenn | well maybe i will just put it on a backup drive | 06:36 |
| fenn | was someone talking about vinpocetine in here? i've had the word stuck in my head for a few days now | 06:37 |
| kanzure | no that was on 2011-02-06 | 06:38 |
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| fenn | hm, brian's big list of stuff. probably not where i got it from | 06:39 |
| fenn | what's the point of html logs? | 06:40 |
| kanzure | google indexing | 06:40 |
| kanzure | i figure ##hplusroadmap logs might be valuable to someone somewhere | 06:40 |
| kanzure | or it helps capture wandering/lost souls | 06:40 |
| fenn | gotta catch 'em all | 06:41 |
| JayDugger | Heh. | 06:41 |
| kanzure | <-- a pokemon master | 06:41 |
| fenn | a wild jaydugger appeared! | 06:41 |
| kanzure | Fight! PkMn Items Run | 06:41 |
| JayDugger | (Shh....they're a timid type of Cockfighting Seizure Monster, and very afraid of copyright violation.) | 06:42 |
| kanzure | fenn: have you played favimon? | 06:42 |
| kanzure | http://www.matthewhollett.com/favimon/index.php | 06:42 |
| kanzure | i should do this for facebook avatars for people in meetlog.txt | 06:43 |
| fenn | "intelectol" is just too good of a name to use on any non-fictional drug | 06:43 |
| fenn | cockfighting seizure monster eh? ... | 06:43 |
| JayDugger | Yes, but unoriginal. | 06:43 |
| fenn | that reminds me, i havent played progressquest in months | 06:43 |
| kanzure | oh man i need to get you hooked on dwarf fortress | 06:44 |
| kanzure | http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/screens.html | 06:44 |
| * fenn suspects the irony has been lost | 06:44 | |
| JayDugger | The departed RPG company Guardians of Order did a Pokemon-style RPG, and that was one of it's two titles. | 06:44 |
| JayDugger | s/it's/its'/ | 06:45 |
| kanzure | i learned the other day that a going-on-8-year internet buddy | 06:45 |
| kanzure | has been struggling with schizophrenia his entire life | 06:45 |
| kanzure | it's really amazing because i hadn't known, at all | 06:45 |
| kanzure | to be fair i was a very unaware kid back then.. but still | 06:46 |
| kanzure | i think he was caught in the joplin hurricanes recently | 06:46 |
| kanzure | and i haven't found him. | 06:46 |
| kanzure | fenn: what's up on your end? h+? | 06:49 |
| fenn | uh, sposed to be throwing together some old slides for qs talk tomorrow | 06:50 |
| fenn | making ends meet and all that boring stuff | 06:51 |
| * fenn wonders what he's been doing as well | 06:51 | |
| fenn | maker faire was pretty much the same as last year | 06:51 |
| kanzure | more consulting work is coming in my end | 06:52 |
| kanzure | are you still interested in being hooked up | 06:52 |
| fenn | yes | 06:52 |
| fenn | oh, playing with my orange glasses | 06:53 |
| fenn | they block out all blue light which makes your green receptors overcompensate so anything green pops out at you | 06:53 |
| fenn | i've been getting excited about plover again | 06:54 |
| fenn | my friend has a kinesis keyboard which has n-key rollover, but it's sufficiently weird that i might just make my own keyboard from scratch | 06:54 |
| kanzure | https://safeandwell.communityos.org/zf/safesearch/search | 06:55 |
| kanzure | hrm i don't have a phone number or address | 06:55 |
| fenn | it's really too bad you can't do steno on a normal multiplexed keyboard | 06:55 |
| kanzure | i was complaining to jrayhawk about steno like plover.. some of the combinations of letters apparently have multiple interpretations | 06:56 |
| kanzure | er, combinations of keys | 06:56 |
| fenn | i dont see how that could be possible | 06:57 |
| fenn | different people have different dictionaries, maybe that's what he meant | 06:57 |
| JayDugger | plover? | 06:57 |
| fenn | JayDugger: http://plover.stenoknight.com/2010/03/how-to-speak-with-your-fingers.html | 06:58 |
| kanzure | -RBS -- "-tious, -cious, -xious", As in delicious, obnoxious, precious. | 06:58 |
| kanzure | "But since F already serves double duty as both F and V, it can sometimes be tricky to handle, as in paves/paces, braves/braces, proves/process, laughs/laves/lasses, et cetera. " | 06:59 |
| fenn | ah, yes that is sort of a problem but one i can agree with the philosophy behind their decision at least | 06:59 |
| kanzure | "Now, as you remember, -BGS is also -X, so you'll need to distinguish those sounds from one another when necessary." | 06:59 |
| JayDugger | fenn, if you've interest in keybaord construction, have you seen http://www.keyboardmods.com/2010/10/magic-keyboard.html | 07:01 |
| fenn | i'm going to build http://homepage2.nifty.com/perky/index.htm | 07:02 |
| kanzure | fenn: hey that looks great | 07:02 |
| JayDugger | Very impressive! | 07:02 |
| fenn | he's been building them for like 20 years now | 07:02 |
| JayDugger | kanzure, do you type on qwerty or on dvorak? | 07:03 |
| fenn | i figure i should learn from someone who's made the mistakes already | 07:03 |
| fenn | dvorak is a waste of time | 07:03 |
| kanzure | JayDugger: qwerty http://race-database.com/typeracer/profile?username=kanzure | 07:03 |
| fenn | you get 20% speed improvement and endless fun switching between keyboard modes | 07:04 |
| JayDugger | No, thank you. I am not even in your league. | 07:04 |
| kanzure | JayDugger: that's the stats page | 07:04 |
| JayDugger | I agree with the speed and the endless bit, but I wouldn't call switching fun. | 07:04 |
| fenn | can you see what percentile you're in with typeracer? | 07:05 |
| JayDugger | kanzure: Yes. Notice that I am not on it? | 07:05 |
| kanzure | fenn: sort of.. it rounds up so i'm in the 100%tile | 07:05 |
| JayDugger | 70 wpm on a good day for me. | 07:05 |
| kanzure | fenn: but if you sort the leaderboard, i'm between #30 and #40 somewhere http://race-database.com/typeracer/leaders | 07:05 |
| fenn | i think it's pretty clear that chording keyboards just don't make sense if you're only entering one character at a time | 07:07 |
| fenn | there are ~20! possible key combos so why not make use of that | 07:07 |
| kanzure | honestly i find typing speed most useful for programming | 07:07 |
| kanzure | there's no real reason to do transcripting.. just record some audio and throw it at software/people | 07:08 |
| kanzure | not being able to hack out code quickly is a real impediment | 07:08 |
| kanzure | and the reason why i'm so skeptical about keyboards that neglect special characters | 07:08 |
| fenn | for reference, that's that's approximately 22 quadrillion more combinations than keys available on a keyboard | 07:08 |
| kanzure | wait osamu's keyboard has 20 keys? | 07:09 |
| fenn | something like that | 07:10 |
| fenn | tarsal and metatarsal (?) for each finger | 07:10 |
| kanzure | intertarsal | 07:10 |
| fenn | god, anatomy is so stupid | 07:11 |
| fenn | "distal and intermediate phalanges" | 07:11 |
| fenn | why not just say the tip and middle of the finger | 07:11 |
| JayDugger | Latin's heritage as an international language | 07:13 |
| JayDugger | Unless those terms derive from Greek, in which case I will feel foolish and embarrassed and will fall silent. | 07:14 |
| fenn | apparently all these touchpad based keyboards are unsatisfying to use; we need haptic feedback believe it or not | 07:15 |
| kanzure | i'm totally ok with haptic feedback | 07:15 |
| fenn | there aren't any low power haptic interface devices :* | 07:16 |
| JayDugger | I like mine very much, but that lack of haptic feedback did take the most adjustment. | 07:16 |
| kanzure | what about just physical feedback | 07:16 |
| fenn | besides piezos/buzzers, which barely count | 07:16 |
| kanzure | physical/mechanical.. like springs :P | 07:16 |
| kanzure | er, i meant to imply "like other keyboards" | 07:16 |
| kanzure | springs are an awful idea | 07:16 |
| fenn | keyboards all have springs in them | 07:17 |
| fenn | or buckling domes or whatever | 07:17 |
| fenn | jaydugger what do you use? | 07:17 |
| JayDugger | An old Fingerworks Touchstream. | 07:18 |
| kanzure | i was hoping you'd say "dragon naturallyspeaking" | 07:18 |
| JayDugger | Are you kidding? I'd have to write a second draft of everything. Then how could I excuse poor writing? | 07:18 |
| fenn | are those... membrane switches? | 07:18 |
| JayDugger | No. | 07:19 |
| fenn | ok good :P | 07:19 |
| JayDugger | Sorry, called away by my girlfriend. | 07:20 |
| fenn | looks like they are out of business.. okay how does it work? | 07:21 |
| fenn | it has a lot of chips in it | 07:21 |
| JayDugger | I honestly can't tell you. They're too expensive and rare to disassemble. | 07:22 |
| * fenn is looking at http://jan.rychter.com/fingerworks-touchstream-kbd/ | 07:23 | |
| fenn | apparently the tech made it into the iphone | 07:24 |
| JayDugger | Yeah, and I suspect on into the Magic Trackpad. | 07:24 |
| kanzure | gahh 152 | 07:24 |
| kanzure | but to be fair that was on a macbookpro and i don't use that keyboard often | 07:24 |
| fenn | have you found any correlations between typing speed and other things? | 07:25 |
| kanzure | adderall | 07:25 |
| JayDugger | Heh. | 07:25 |
| kanzure | it adds 20-30wpm | 07:26 |
| fenn | i wish steno weren't so ... arbitrary | 07:26 |
| fenn | i have a hard time wanting to learn something that's "beacuse we always did it that way" | 07:27 |
| fenn | and zero analysis | 07:27 |
| fenn | if i'm going to learn an apparently arbitrary mapping i'd want it based on huffman coding or something | 07:27 |
| kanzure | i type 'y' with the wrong hand about 60% of the time | 07:28 |
| fenn | it's in the middle; there's no "wrong" hand | 07:28 |
| kanzure | if that's true then why don't i type 't' with my right | 07:29 |
| fenn | because there's more keys on the right and you're distracted | 07:29 |
| JayDugger | Do you remember the Slashdot post about evolving an optimtal keyboard? | 07:29 |
| JayDugger | optimal, even. | 07:29 |
| kanzure | opbimal | 07:29 |
| kanzure | opbimal for loltxt | 07:29 |
| kanzure | 158.. | 07:30 |
| JayDugger | CP Walker, 2003, (Google Scholar) | 07:30 |
| fenn | i still think alternate key layouts are a waste of time | 07:31 |
| fenn | no matter what you're still entering text one letter at a time | 07:31 |
| JayDugger | Why do you need a standard? Do you often switch between machines? | 07:31 |
| JayDugger | Ph. | 07:31 |
| JayDugger | Oh. | 07:31 |
| fenn | i often use OEM keyboards, yes :P | 07:32 |
| fenn | in fact, precisely zero of the keyboards i currently own were not manufactured by a large corporation | 07:32 |
| kanzure | since it's the internet | 07:33 |
| kanzure | we are now obligated to combine custom keyboard craftsmanship | 07:33 |
| kanzure | with pokemon | 07:33 |
| kanzure | "gotta catch 'em all" => catch all of the keys/combos? :p | 07:33 |
| fenn | i met a woman at maker faire who makes her own keyboards | 07:33 |
| kanzure | apparently keyboarding competitions used to be sponsored by manufacturers | 07:33 |
| kanzure | with their different typewriters having different layouts | 07:34 |
| kanzure | obviously they each had something to gain by proving that their layout was the best | 07:34 |
| fenn | http://hackaday.com/2011/05/21/bamf2011-keyboards-built-from-scratch/ | 07:35 |
| kanzure | i'd be surprised if there's genuinely no improvement possible | 07:35 |
| kanzure | again steno doesn't really count in my book.. | 07:35 |
| fenn | why not? most words you type are words | 07:35 |
| fenn | even while coding | 07:35 |
| kanzure | i value my code-words more than my other words | 07:35 |
| fenn | if it weren't so easy to type "^" or whatever, we probably wouldnt use them in our programming languages | 07:36 |
| kanzure | yes, well | 07:36 |
| fenn | lisp machines had two huge parentheses buttons | 07:37 |
| JayDugger | Heh...and a keyboard optimized for vi would have a big Esc button? | 07:37 |
| fenn | the last link was made specifically for vi | 07:38 |
| fenn | esc is the '5' button next to space bar | 07:38 |
| kanzure | heh laser cut backplate. not a bad idea | 07:38 |
| fenn | yeah the way she did it makes it look pretty easy | 07:39 |
| kanzure | for all my google-fu i can't seem to find a programming language that only accepts alphanumeric source code | 07:40 |
| kanzure | oh well, you'll just have to make one yourself | 07:41 |
| Utopiah | Logo? | 07:42 |
| fenn | you can type weird characters with steno | 07:42 |
| kanzure | i'm sure | 07:42 |
| kanzure | just, what you type means different things if you're not careful | 07:43 |
| fenn | i'd like to do some kind of autocomplete based on the contents of the file, so it does camelcase if the existing code is camelcase etc | 07:43 |
| fenn | if i'm not careful i'm going to end up writing a text editor | 07:44 |
| fenn | well anyway, i have to build a keyboard first or this is all idle speculation | 07:44 |
| kanzure | http://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=2620 | 07:44 |
| kanzure | g:neocomplcache_enable_camel_case_completion = 1 | 07:44 |
| kanzure | let g:neocomplcache_enable_smart_case = 1 | 07:45 |
| fenn | this is the one i've used http://www.mohdshakir.net/2007/12/27/enable-vim-code-python-auto-complete | 07:48 |
| fenn | it only uses contents of the file; of course filenames and vim commands etc can be helpful but only i f i can turn them off separately | 07:49 |
| fenn | is there a way to make a symbolic file that is what you would get if you appended multiple files together? (without actually doing that every time the file changes) | 07:52 |
| fenn | like foofo .bashrc = bashrc.d/* | 07:53 |
| fenn | mkfoofo :P | 07:54 |
| kanzure | fenn: maybe a socket? | 08:13 |
| kanzure | am i thinking of the correct linux idiom | 08:14 |
| kanzure | oh, no | 08:15 |
| kanzure | you could make a fake device that just runs tar periodically | 08:22 |
| kanzure | http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2011/05/putting-the-open-in-openpcr-open-source-biotech.html | 08:25 |
| kanzure | 2 years is still inexcusable | 08:25 |
| kanzure | wait, last february? | 08:26 |
| kanzure | what | 08:26 |
| kanzure | oh tito wrote that post. i'm sorry for linking to it. | 08:26 |
| fenn | tito was here last night randomly | 08:59 |
| fenn | we ate baklava and i carefully avoided conversation about anything diybio | 08:59 |
| fenn | 162 min to download papers2 | 09:00 |
| fenn | what is the utility of the .zip and .tgz files? | 09:02 |
| kanzure | fenn: is he reasonable when not talking about diybio-related stuff? | 09:03 |
| kanzure | fenn: which .zip/.tgz files in particular | 09:04 |
| kanzure | microfluidics.tar.gz is just a giant/old backup that you can ignore | 09:04 |
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| fenn | actually he didnt talk much about non-diybio-stuff. we didnt talk much :\ | 09:05 |
| fenn | i mean what's the use of compressing them instead of just putting them in directories and pointing people at wget | 09:06 |
| kanzure | they are leftovers from previous file transfers i had | 09:07 |
| kanzure | i'm going to remove microfluidics_2009-06-01.zip, microfluidics_2009.zip, and microfluidics.tar.gz | 09:08 |
| kanzure | there.. now it's only 6.7 GB | 09:09 |
| kanzure | any thoughts about a historical record file i could keep to indicate to outsiders where files have been moved from previous servers/paths? | 09:10 |
| kanzure | i.e. "heybryan.org/books/* -> diyhpl.us/hidden0xh/" | 09:10 |
| kanzure | i guess that format could work | 09:10 |
| JayDugger | :) | 09:10 |
| fenn | um. it would be neat if you actually had a url mapping which served the urls with a 403 | 09:10 |
| kanzure | well, that too | 09:10 |
| fenn | er, 301 | 09:11 |
| kanzure | and then layered/stacked these together across my dumb server jumps | 09:11 |
| kanzure | honestly i don't intentionally switch servers so often | 09:11 |
| kanzure | designfiles.org was an accident | 09:11 |
| fenn | why are you not using heybryan.org as your domain name? | 09:12 |
| kanzure | my web presence is so confused and mangled that i don't know what to do | 09:12 |
| kanzure | there's still lots of heybryan.org content that hasn't been uploaded (would take weeks) | 09:13 |
| fenn | filelight is pretty good for figuring out what the hell is there | 09:13 |
| JayDugger | Seconded. | 09:14 |
| fenn | without getting distracted by the over 9,000 files in the directory | 09:14 |
| fenn | gdmap is fast but doesn't seem to elucidate anything | 09:14 |
| kanzure | to make a proper 301 mapping i'd have to know the original paths | 09:14 |
| kanzure | and part of the problem is some fucked up apache configuration i had going on | 09:14 |
| fenn | i suggest using less apache black magic in the future | 09:15 |
| kanzure | "hur dur i'll just pass /school to /mnt/hdb3/backups/old/server/2005-04-13/var/www/school/" | 09:15 |
| kanzure | yes i agree | 09:16 |
| fenn | hey is there some kind of magic filesystem hack that will let me store as many duplicates (not symbolic links) as i want without taking up extra space? | 09:21 |
| fenn | based on hashing the file contents | 09:21 |
| pasky | git | 09:22 |
| fenn | i know about git-annex but it seems like a bit of a pain | 09:22 |
| fenn | regular git can't be spread across volumes | 09:23 |
| JayDugger | pasky, have you used git-annex? | 09:23 |
| kanzure | jrayhawk: | 09:23 |
| kanzure | jrayhawk: you were pushing for git-annex a while back so i'll just assume you're familiar with it | 09:23 |
| pasky | i haven't used git-annex | 09:24 |
| kanzure | fenn: it would be helpful to have something that analyzed an apache configuration file | 09:25 |
| kanzure | and then constructed original urls for files and maps them to my actual filesystem | 09:25 |
| kanzure | based on aliases/paths/directories and other apache elements | 09:25 |
| kanzure | then i can take those paths and map them to whatever | 09:26 |
| kanzure | ok so i'm in the middle of my iphone programming productivity today (adderall, etc.) | 09:27 |
| kanzure | and someone just called and i should really take this meeting before 3pm | 09:27 |
| fenn | and why are you telling us about it :P | 09:28 |
| kanzure | code or people.. | 09:28 |
| kanzure | well it's a tough decision that i don't really want to make :P | 09:28 |
| fenn | who's calling? | 09:28 |
| JayDugger | Flip a coin. | 09:28 |
| kanzure | this guy posted on craigslist asking for android testers | 09:28 |
| kanzure | so i offered to help test "and oh by the way i'm a developer" | 09:29 |
| kanzure | so i'm going to show up and say "WELL, the way i test is i started a company and wrote this whole testing framework" | 09:29 |
| kanzure | <-- over-prepared | 09:29 |
| fenn | meh | 09:29 |
| kanzure | yeah exactly it's a non-critical meeting, but i should do it anyway | 09:29 |
| JayDugger | 't'ain't bragging if you can do it. | 09:29 |
| * kanzure is trying to wake up elevenarms to do it instead | 09:29 | |
| fenn | he's a better salesman anyway | 09:30 |
| fenn | he even has a toolstache | 09:30 |
| kanzure | see pm | 09:30 |
| kanzure | how would you like to buy a used car, fenn | 09:33 |
| kanzure | what can i do to put you into a car today | 09:33 |
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| Utopiah | http://www.magazinedown.com/Science/index.html | 09:56 |
| Utopiah | (seems to be coming mainly from http://www.avaxhome.ws/magazines/science ) | 09:59 |
| fenn | huh, vinpocetine is really inexpensive | 10:23 |
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| fenn | i'm going to start keeping track of market price per dose of various nootropics | 10:45 |
| JayDugger | That's a good project. | 10:45 |
| fenn | it's kind of annoying that erowid doesn't list prices | 10:46 |
| fenn | at least not in a systematic way | 10:46 |
| JayDugger | http://fourmilab.ch/documents/health/supplements/ | 10:47 |
| JayDugger | Scroll down to the nootropics section, and click on the little pill icons for prices. | 10:49 |
| fenn | i thought that page was mostly about turning dieting into a video game | 10:49 |
| JayDugger | Oh, his "The Hacker's Diet?" | 10:49 |
| JayDugger | Only if you find Excel a video game. | 10:50 |
| fenn | well, using skills you normally apply to engineering problems to the problem of dieting | 10:50 |
| JayDugger | Yeah, that's the Hacker's Diet, and that's him. Nootropics lie pretty far down the page. | 10:51 |
| fenn | fortunately it's not hard to find people selling nootropics, it's just hard to find all the prices in one place in a consistent scheme | 10:51 |
| JayDugger | There's your opportunity. :) | 10:51 |
| fenn | hm | 10:52 |
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| fenn | deprenyl/L-dopa is being sold as an anti-aging drug? wtf | 10:55 |
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| fenn | oh it's not the same as l-dopa | 10:56 |
| JayDugger | If you get anywhere with that price tracker, please mention it here. That project interests me. | 10:56 |
| JayDugger | Good night, everyone. | 10:57 |
| fenn | it's more like an OCD nervous reaction than a project | 10:59 |
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| kanzure | huh.. | 13:49 |
| kanzure | "The reality is that information has negative value. Time has positive value. You have to buy attention." | 13:49 |
| kanzure | well that had the makings of being an insightful statement but then it catastrophically ends | 13:50 |
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| sixyearolds | kanzure, it begins catastrophically | 14:01 |
| sixyearolds | kanzure, the only way i can think of it as true is if information =/= entropy, and requires making specialised states, because in entropy there is no information | 14:02 |
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| kanzure | sixyearolds: i think he meant to say "The reality is that information has negative monetary value." or to imply that it's not a monetary asset that can be leveraged as directly as other commodities | 14:13 |
| thesnark | hey kanzure | 14:14 |
| thesnark | happy birthday ;) | 14:14 |
| sixyearolds | kanzure, knowledge is the new currency, its inflationary and people try to induce value through scarcity(copyright laws, patents). but information has made humanity profit off of the solar system, everyone lives collectively better than 1000 years ago, how can that be negative wealth? human race is not a zero sum game | 14:15 |
| delinquentme | "information has negative monetary value? | 14:18 |
| delinquentme | ^^ no way | 14:18 |
| kanzure | whatever. i don't really care about fixing the statement | 14:18 |
| delinquentme | anyone know what part of a electro-mechanical stack determines if its running in VDC? | 14:19 |
| delinquentme | and 2! has anyone written research grants | 14:19 |
| thesnark | delinquentme I have some experience with that | 14:20 |
| thesnark | your audience matters a lot | 14:20 |
| delinquentme | thesnark, with grant writing? | 14:20 |
| thesnark | yeah, some | 14:20 |
| thesnark | I co-authored a grant and am writing one | 14:20 |
| delinquentme | makes sense .. any suggestions for the science community / national science foundation? | 14:20 |
| thesnark | but I've only done it for university | 14:20 |
| delinquentme | specifically online writing guides | 14:20 |
| thesnark | NSF...very high competition grants | 14:21 |
| delinquentme | should i look for smaller institutions? | 14:21 |
| delinquentme | currently im working on really simple liquid handling hardware | 14:21 |
| thesnark | honestly....you have to write a killer grant that presents a new way to do something and in a clear manner as well as know somebody who can lobby for you | 14:22 |
| delinquentme | for NSF | 14:22 |
| thesnark | yeah | 14:22 |
| thesnark | not that you can't get it without those things | 14:22 |
| thesnark | but if you want to be 100% sure, you'd need a rigorously written grant and contacts | 14:23 |
| delinquentme | now NSF grants are going to be multi million dollar | 14:23 |
| delinquentme | like i dont need that haha | 14:23 |
| delinquentme | i need maybe 10g | 14:23 |
| thesnark | yeah... lots of competition | 14:23 |
| delinquentme | suggestions for sources for smaller grants .. around that 10k number? | 14:24 |
| thesnark | delinquentme what is your proposal for? | 14:24 |
| delinquentme | automated medical equipment | 14:24 |
| delinquentme | theres another question .. can this stuff be used for profit? | 14:24 |
| thesnark | oh, can you make it profitable? YOu might just be able to get startup money | 14:25 |
| thesnark | 10g is nothing really in terms of trying new ideas | 14:25 |
| delinquentme | this is true | 14:25 |
| thesnark | hell, if you can just make it _sound_ profitable you can probably get startup money | 14:25 |
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| thesnark | grant that I co-authored was for 50k and that would probably have been classified as a very easy grant | 14:26 |
| thesnark | you can get 10g | 14:26 |
| delinquentme | now grants can also be used to pay the workers salaries | 14:26 |
| thesnark | talk to business people | 14:26 |
| thesnark | yes of course | 14:26 |
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| delinquentme | basically i want to work on this full time.. and not have to rely on other job SOLELY | 14:27 |
| thesnark | delinquentme what you need is contacts | 14:27 |
| thesnark | delinquentme people who are active in the industry you want to innovate in | 14:27 |
| thesnark | delinquentme even on a casual basis, it will help you a lot | 14:27 |
| delinquentme | so i've made .. maybe 3 | 14:28 |
| delinquentme | of like people who hold a spot | 14:28 |
| delinquentme | and im like a week out from a working prototype | 14:28 |
| thesnark | a working prototype will help you a _lot_ | 14:28 |
| thesnark | if you can show them the idea they will love it | 14:29 |
| thesnark | a lot of people who make decisions to give money don't want to hear about an idea, they want to see it | 14:29 |
| thesnark | that will get you a long way right there | 14:29 |
| delinquentme | awesome. | 14:30 |
| delinquentme | so keep doing what im doing :D | 14:30 |
| thesnark | so I have no idea what you have in mind or what your situation is, but: 1) Develop your prototype 2_ Make lots of friends 3) ???? 4) Profit! | 14:30 |
| delinquentme | i've got 3 labs who are open to checking it out once i get it operational .. so thats awesome | 14:30 |
| delinquentme | and im in pittsburgh so like | 14:31 |
| delinquentme | yeahhh it is _THE_ place to be for this | 14:31 |
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| kanzure | the blog posts are still coming.. | 22:37 |
| kanzure | http://fredcobio.wordpress.com/2011/05/27/biopunk-diy-scientists-hack-the-software-of-life/ | 22:37 |
| kanzure | someone needs to figure out what sort of dope marcus is on | 22:37 |
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