2011-06-10.log

--- Log opened Fri Jun 10 00:00:07 2011
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auguryou know who didnt drop out of college? kurzweil01:02
augurvinge01:02
augureinstein, feynman, weil, ...01:03
bkeroare we really speaking of kurzweil as a visionary?01:11
QuantumGthere is no doubt that kurzweil is a visionary.  The definition being something like "a person with original ideas about what the future will or could be like"01:13
bkeroIn it's strictest definition01:14
bkeroSo is Cory Doctorow01:14
QuantumGexactly01:14
QuantumGso is William Gibson ffs01:14
bkerodoesn't visionary usually imply the quality of such 'original ideas'?  I have original ideas every day.01:16
QuantumGno, not really.  Opening your mouth and talking with confidence about the future is sufficient for people to describe you as a visionary.01:17
bkeroSo Marshall Applewhite of Heaven's Gate is a visionary01:19
bkeroand the jesus01:19
QuantumGI believe "visionary preacher" is used to describe quite a lot of wackos01:19
bkeroand David Koresh01:19
CryptoQuickself-replicating machines will be the key to future of construction and agriculture, infrastructure and power generation. there, visionary!01:21
bkeroYou're a pretty lame visionary01:21
CryptoQuickhaha, yeah01:22
CryptoQuickself-replicating machines are a silly idea, if they haven't been done by now, do we really need them at all?01:23
* bkero will self-replicate you01:26
bkeroI'll do you one better.  Self-replicating machine with complimenting pairs for the purpose of accelerated adaptation and resistance.01:27
CryptoQuickhuh? adaptation and resistance? from / for what? I just want lots of machines to do my bidding01:28
bkeroadaptation to the surrounding environment01:29
bkeroresistance to histile forces of the surrounding environment01:30
bkero*hostile01:30
CryptoQuickthe machines should be designed specifically for what they need to do. I don't see the utility in over-thinking whatever abstract notion of what hostile forces might be.01:31
bkeroIt was supposed to be an allusion to self-replicating machines we've seen before like animsl.01:32
bkeroanimals01:32
CryptoQuickyeah, but machines aren't animals. now you're being lame.01:32
bkerothe utility is that you get to live without webbed toes since you don't live in the water anymore :P01:32
bkeroanimals can't be machines?01:32
CryptoQuickuh, straw man aside, the fundamental requirement is that they be replicable, not that the machines themselves replicate, but that they can be made by the system overall.01:33
bkerolast I saw they could perform mechanical power  01:34
CryptoQuickthe other requirement is that they be useful. so, the machines must be designed for specialized applications, but perhaps based upon a common platform for mobility.01:35
bkeroso they're not self replicating as individuals, but have to cluster to manufacture new nodes?01:35
CryptoQuicksure thing.01:35
bkeroI don't think that's a strict requirement01:35
bkerowhy not have them bud by themselves?01:35
CryptoQuickbecause that would require each machine to be able to build another machine, and that seems counterintuitive. not all machines should be able to build another machine, it's superfluous.01:36
bkerobut if you're going to have your nanomachines be homogeneous anyways, it will mean that they can all perform every task in the cluster of manufacturing new nodes01:37
CryptoQuickoh, I'm not speaking of nanomachines01:37
CryptoQuickno wonder we're confused :)01:37
bkeroyou were talking about macro sized critters?01:37
CryptoQuickyes, of course! I don't see building a greenhouse the size of Biosphere II happening any time soon with an army of nano-ants. not with our current technology.01:38
CryptoQuick"What is this, a school for ANTS!? it needs to be at least... three times bigger than this!"01:39
bkeroIs Derek Zoolander going to be designing your Biosphere II?01:39
CryptoQuicklord, I hope not01:39
bkeroI'd rather have Mr Dyson.01:39
CryptoQuickheh01:40
bkeroor maybe Timothy Leary01:40
CryptoQuickbut yeah, what I'm thinking of is something a lot like RepRap or, even better, a system of CNC machines and methods for assembling parts.01:41
bkeroso a reprap, except for the critical reprap part of self-reproduction01:41
bkerooriginal goal of reprap was to maximize the amount of self-replicatable parts01:42
CryptoQuicknot exactly. I'm thinking of using metals, CNC. this is because the metals are to be gotten from crustal rock, ISRU.01:42
CryptoQuickand further, I'm not too keen on using electricity; I'd much rather operate using heat, considering how rare copper and other rare-earth metals are. not nearly enough of that readily-availible for ISRU self-replication.01:44
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bkeroI figured isru01:47
bkerohow do you plan on getting enough durable insulator to this place?01:48
bkeroor were you thinking no-atmo?01:48
CryptoQuickinsulator? such as ceramic?01:48
CryptoQuicknah, I'm thinking here, on this planet :)01:49
bkerooh01:49
bkeroHow do you plan to generator or insulate the heat?01:49
bkeroin space you wouldn't have an insulation problem, but in other atmospheres temperature normalization could be troublesome--hence the insulation01:49
bkero*generate01:50
CryptoQuickthe plan is to build plenty of solar collectors surrounding furnaces that will perform the ISRU process, then use the metals as an energy storage medium; thermite.01:52
CryptoQuickthen, on things that use thermite, use of evaporative radiators might be a good idea. they produce steam and can dissipate more energy than radiators that must keep their fluids all in one phase.01:53
bkeroeach square meter receives about 1kw of sun power, how do you plan on concentrating that? :P01:54
CryptoQuick5kW a day, yes, I know, solar power is pretty sad. :)01:54
CryptoQuickbut yes, concentrators, mirrors.01:54
bkeroThat'll increase your effectiveness by 400%01:54
CryptoQuickhm?01:55
bkeroa joke :P01:55
bkerowhat do you plan as a crucible for this?01:55
bkeronowadays to store energy we just use big flywheels01:55
CryptoQuickwell, thermite is good for storing heat energy, which the stirling engines for the machines will run on. they will also use coiled torsion springs to store mechanical energy created by the stirling engine, which is best operated at a constant rate.01:57
bkeroiirc thermite also needs a large catalyst for ignition01:57
bkeroin the case of long term storage with the possibility of losing access to volatile ignition mediums01:58
CryptoQuickmany metals are reduced using the process described in the Lackner-Wendt "Auxon" paper, including magnesium01:59
CryptoQuickhttp://i.imgur.com/tUZar.png01:59
bkeroso you plan on using the product of the thermite reduction to reignite it?02:01
bkerothat could work02:01
CryptoQuick:)02:01
bkerojust means you have to have a separate magnesium deposit for the express purpose of reignition02:02
bkerodiluting that shit with something like lead wouldn't be good02:02
CryptoQuickheh... good thing lead isn't a primary component of average crustal rock :)02:03
bkeroare too-stable minerals or metals?02:03
CryptoQuickhuh?02:03
CryptoQuickalright, well, it's now 3am, and I've got a busy day today. I should be heading to sleep soon.02:04
bkerol8z02:05
bkerotomorrow I get to do what I do every day02:05
CryptoQuicknice talking. :)02:05
CryptoQuickoh?02:05
bkerosleep in until 11 and bitch at my lusers02:05
CryptoQuickheh02:05
bkerofull time employment ftw02:05
CryptoQuick;D02:05
bkeroUSE MY SOFTWARE02:05
CryptoQuickOK!02:05
bkerofirefox ;)02:05
CryptoQuickoh02:05
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CryptoQuickwhy run Firefox 4 when you can run Firefox 7?02:06
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bkerosure02:10
CryptoQuickhuh... I switched to Chrome pretty much the day it came out. however, Firefox has gotten really compelling in terms of UI. I also like that TreeStyleTabs extension, it's always worked very well.02:11
CryptoQuickman ... this is a line of thinking worth pursuing some other day. :)02:12
CryptoQuickbynow02:14
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kanzurebkero: kurzweil isn't a visionary02:45
kanzurekurzweil is my bitch02:45
kanzurewhat a weird email.. something about "the venus project" and "zeitgeist project" divorcing http://exi-chat.blogspot.com/2011/06/exi-zeitgeist-movement-and-venus.html02:50
kanzurethey both suck anyway02:51
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foucistahh.. the joys of politics amongst various transhumanist endeavors03:09
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foucistso.. we need to crack the DIY UAV problem!03:24
foucistenable everyone to build their own UAVs cheaply and easily so they can deliver things! and such!03:24
foucisthttp://www.openpilot.org/03:57
foucistalready exists.. yay!03:57
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JayDuggerGood morning, everyone.07:35
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kanzureDear Bryan:  Thank you for contacting us with your interest via our website. I would love to speak to you about your institution and possible interest in the Neuro system of ExAblate.10:01
kanzurePresently the Neuro system is under FDA IDE only and not approved for open clinical use. Once we have spoken I can best determine who to have contact you and how to proceed.10:01
kanzurePlease let me know when would be a good time to talk10:01
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kanzurehmm i need to be careful10:01
foucistkanzure: what is it?10:04
foucistEEG related?10:05
foucisti could google but i'm heading to bed now heh10:05
kanzurehttp://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/neuro/ultrasound/Transcranial%20pulsed%20ultrasound%20stimulates%20intact%20brain%20circuits%20-%202010.pdf10:05
foucistah cool10:05
kanzureor this: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/neuro/ultrasound/A%20hemisphere%20array%20for%20non-invasive%20ultrasound%20brain%20therapy%20and%20surgery.pdf10:05
kanzurepg. 3710 has a picture10:05
kanzurebasically it's an ultrasound-emitting cap for brain stimulation (1-2mm resolution)10:06
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kanzurei wonder if that latin american body mod community event would be willing to install a glass window into my skull10:35
kanzurei wouldn't mind if they put the skin back over it; removing skin in the future is trivial in comparison10:36
kanzurethey did mention something about trepanations.. so what's the harm in plugging up the hole with something10:36
maykoi have always been curious about trepanation >.>10:38
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bkerodrill hole in head11:08
bkerorelease extra pressurez11:08
kanzureand ghosts11:08
kanzuregotta release those too11:08
bkeroand thetans11:08
bkeroomgthetans11:08
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bkeromayko: I've never seen you in here before11:12
bkeroyou must go to school with kanzure11:12
kanzurei don't go to school11:12
bkeroget snatched up, or find something better to do?11:13
kanzurefound something better to do11:13
bkeroalways a good option11:13
bkerocan you talk about it?11:14
kanzurebkero: http://hoppersdk.com/ i guess11:14
bkeroandroid phone, ios interface, what11:15
kanzureyes11:15
kanzurei'm also working on versions for phonegap, html5 apps, and js11:15
kanzureon the lower end of my todo list is windows phone 7 and blackberry, but it's not as important right this moment11:16
bkeroah11:16
bkeromaking a common api for device-specific mobile web interfaces?11:17
kanzureno11:17
kanzuremechanical turk for mobile app testing11:17
maykoyeah i loiter here sometimes :)11:20
bkeroI loiter on irc11:26
bkeromost of freenode actually11:27
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kanzurewhat's up with people pasting code directly into emails to diybio?11:46
kanzurewhatever happened to attachments or hosting files in source control or on servers or something11:46
bkerotoo hard11:48
bkeronot immediate and inline enough11:49
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kanzureheh multifocal ultrasound: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/neuro/ultrasound/Towards%20multifocal%20ultrasonic%20neural%20stimulation%20-%20pattern%20generation%20algorithms%20-%20Hertzberg%20-%20J.%20Neural%20Eng.%20-%202010.pdf12:16
kanzuresee figure 3E on page 612:16
kanzurejose delgado / electrodes in a bull: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nGAr2OkVqE12:20
kanzurehey they have videos of the russian dog head removal experiments now12:24
kanzurehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSrIkUXwsNk12:24
kanzuremore: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDqh-r8TQgs12:28
kanzurehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Experiments_in_the_Revival_of_Organisms12:38
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kanzureyoni hertzberg has been hired as algorithms developer at insightec12:53
kanzuresee http://il.linkedin.com/pub/yoni-hertzberg/0/a62/4ab12:53
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kanzureMethod and system for generating sensory data onto the human neural cortex (Sony Electronics, Inc.)13:07
kanzurehttp://www.google.com/patents/about?id=kXgQAAAAEBAJ13:08
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kanzurehmm some journals are using this to watermark their pdfs: http://www.appligent.com/stamppdf-batch13:35
kanzureheh "StampPDF Batch starts at $1,995.00 (USD) for a single server with up to 4 cores"13:35
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kanzureany hints on removing the watermark? i thought there was a pdfdump utility that would let me see all of the objects in a pdf file, but apparently not13:41
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kanzureheh i did it manually13:46
kanzureoriginal: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/neuro/ultrasound/104.pdf13:46
kanzurefixed: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/neuro/ultrasound/105.pdf13:46
kanzureif you look at the diff you'll see what i did (it's not all binary data so it's sorta obvious)13:46
augurholy wall of text batman13:47
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kanzurealso, for removing a first page with IP address info (like from IOP):13:57
kanzurepdftk input.pdf cat 2-end output.pdf13:57
kanzure104/105.pdf have been moved into http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/neuro/ultrasound/manual-watermark-removal-example.zip (but i'll probably delete this too)13:59
maykohttp://arkfab.org/?p=289 too many awesome humans are become exhumans :(13:59
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augurkanzure: whats skdb14:11
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kanzureaugur: http://gnusha.org/skdb/14:12
auguraha!14:12
kanzureaugur: it's a collection of tools for standardizing open hardware files/projects14:12
kanzuregulp "In one patient, heating of brain tissue in the sonication path resulted in a secondary focus outside the target causing neurological deficit. New software modifications were developed to address this problem."14:18
kanzure'transmeatal cochlear laser stimulation, transcranial micropolarization, transcranial electrostimulation, cranial electric stimulation and stimulation with weak electromagnetic fields)'14:24
kanzurewell the last one makes sense (TMS)14:24
kanzureand transcranial electrostimulation must be tDCS?14:25
kanzure(05:23:51 PM) eight pennies: I see Stephen (Coles) has finally discovered Thymosin β 4.. we are doomed :(14:59
kanzurenyeh?14:59
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kanzuresomeone bothered to provide a pcb diagram and a parts list for a portable/pocket-sized ultrasound driver15:32
kanzurehttp://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/neuro/ultrasound/Design%20and%20characterization%20of%20a%20high-power%20ultrasound%20driver%20with%20ultralow-output%20impedance%20-%202009.pdf15:32
kanzure"the driver and PCB can be built for about $100"15:32
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JayDuggerGood afternoon, everyone.15:55
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kanzuresome bioinformatics thingy using java web start16:58
kanzurehttp://genplay.einstein.yu.edu/wiki/index.php/Web_Start16:58
kanzurei wasn't aware that java web start could handle 24 GB files..16:58
kanzuremendeley is trying another prize/competition17:02
kanzurehttp://dev.mendeley.com/api-binary-battle/17:02
kanzurelast time i checked they were asking me to compete for some $100-$1k prize or something and i said no..17:02
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kanzure"Does the application increase collaboration and/or transparency? We’ll look at how much your application contributes to making science more open."17:08
kanzurewhat does that have to do with openness17:09
kanzurewhat is this crap17:09
kanzurewell, it might be fun to hook up that data to the google patent search api or fda device regulation database17:14
kanzurehttp://www.fda.gov/MedicalDevices/DeviceRegulationandGuidance/Databases/default.htm17:14
kanzureor clinicaltrials.gov17:16
kanzurethen you could track research that has led to clinical trials of different phases17:17
kanzurefor instance, you take the authors of the paper, do a lookup in the patent database, then find the company names, which should be listed with the clinical trials or for fda device registration17:17
kanzurethen do some fancy google chart api nonsense..17:17
JayDuggerYou make it sound like easy money.17:19
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AJollyLifekanzure: it would depend on how the watermarks were inserted21:23
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kanzureAJollyLife: in this case they are 'pdf objects'21:38
kanzurei manually went in and deleted the object streams from the list for each page, and they didn't render any more so i assume i did something correct.21:38
AJollyLifekanzure: yep, thats how id do it :)21:40
kanzureAJollyLife: so how would i script this shit?21:41
AJollyLifekanzure: mmm, id prob use pdftk to deflate, then find the streams, then regex and delete them21:43
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kanzureAJollyLife: i've been using pdftk, but i haven't figured out 'deflation'21:55
kanzurewhat option is that?21:55
kanzurehmm: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2011/06/scotus-forces-att-to-share-lines-needed-for-interconnection.ars21:55
AJollyLifeuncompress21:56
kanzureaha.21:58
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kanzuremore stuff dumped: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/neuro/ultrasound/22:49
kanzurethe ieee papers are good.. or the ones with the word 'skull' in the title22:49
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augurkanzure: do you know of any books or papers on self organizing structures?23:45
augurespecially molecular-scale?23:46
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