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| dbolser | any one read thsi: http://anoptimiststourofthefuture.com/ | 06:51 |
| dbolser | written by a foaf | 06:51 |
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| Fiohnel | found this channel from http://pleasegodno.wordpress.com/2011/05/18/transhumanist-forums-or-lack-thereof/ | 08:23 |
| Fiohnel | quite a mini adventure | 08:24 |
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| kanzure | Fiohnel: did you write that? | 08:54 |
| Fiohnel | nope | 08:54 |
| Fiohnel | found that on google | 08:54 |
| kanzure | eudoxia: is it you? | 08:55 |
| kanzure | backyard brains is hiring http://groups.google.com/group/diybio/browse_thread/thread/c8aeec68199a29d7 | 09:14 |
| kanzure | https://github.com/delinquentme/LH001 'liquid handler' | 09:14 |
| kanzure | video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZY5IY5CZ1es | 09:17 |
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| kanzure | eudoxia: is this you http://pleasegodno.wordpress.com/2011/05/18/transhumanist-forums-or-lack-thereof/ | 09:40 |
| kanzure | sb5 livestream http://sb5.biobricks.org/ | 10:22 |
| kanzure | george church "conflict of interest" slide http://twitpic.com/5byuqw | 10:23 |
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| uniqanomaly | http://news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/china/2011-06/14/c_13929184.htm nice | 10:34 |
| kanzure | javascript pdf reader https://github.com/andreasgal/pdf.js | 11:40 |
| kanzure | demo: http://pumpkin.micheljansen.org/~dawuss/pdf.js/test.html | 11:40 |
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| kanzure | man why do brain visualization tools still suck so much | 13:15 |
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| kanzure | http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/4/2008/08/medium_monkeyscan_01.jpg | 13:15 |
| kanzure | http://www.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/152871/2/istockphoto_152871-skull-brain-visualization.jpg | 13:16 |
| kanzure | that coloring scheme hardly captures the detailed information that you would need for anything productive | 13:16 |
| kanzure | sorta better? http://www.voxel-man.de/3d-navigator/brain_and_skull/images/bs_ventrikel-englisch.jpg | 13:17 |
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| ybit | foucist: i haven't read it and i want to read it | 13:51 |
| kanzure | boop | 13:58 |
| kanzure | i said BOOP | 14:08 |
| kanzure | i demand that someone replies with a beep | 14:08 |
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| QuantumG | beep | 14:48 |
| ybit | http://blog.opensourceecology.org/2011/06/irc/ | 14:50 |
| ybit | #opensourceecology | 14:50 |
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| ybit | some at&t guy just came by my door to let me know some fiber optics is near my house | 14:54 |
| ybit | he sounded just like marcin | 14:54 |
| ybit | turns out he's polish as well | 14:55 |
| ybit | he had the same mannerisms and everything | 14:55 |
| ybit | just thought i would share that | 14:55 |
| ybit | oh and i gave him the website, maybe he'll get interested or something | 14:56 |
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| kanzure | LH001 again http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2657092 | 16:22 |
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| kanzure | hi nsh_ | 16:36 |
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| fenn | " I had found the motherlode, the core, the place where real cool cats of transhumanism gathered." wooo yeah i'm a cool cat | 17:15 |
| * kanzure takes away fenn's cool cat card | 17:17 | |
| fenn | it's okay i have 9 of them | 17:17 |
| fenn | so much hype about space elevators, and yet nobody even knows what a rotovator is | 17:19 |
| kanzure | :( ybit is getting a bs | 17:19 |
| ybit | all the cool places require bs | 17:20 |
| kanzure | not true at all | 17:20 |
| fenn | a strong portfolio will get you further than a college degree; the trick is finding funding for your projects | 17:22 |
| kanzure | if you have like 2 even moderately interesting projects in your portfolio that's usually enough.. | 17:22 |
| fenn | or somehow getting involved with things outside of a university | 17:22 |
| fenn | so ExI and tt are no longer worth reading? | 17:23 |
| ybit | noted, i'll continue to hide behind the uni walls until i have interesting completed projects | 17:23 |
| kanzure | tt might be | 17:23 |
| kanzure | once-in-a-blue-moon | 17:23 |
| kanzure | i think i own openmanufacturing now | 17:24 |
| fenn | woop | 17:24 |
| fenn | (i havent read it in months) | 17:24 |
| ybit | woot! | 17:24 |
| kanzure | unfortunately paul hates me now | 17:24 |
| * ybit asks for a share of the darpa funding | 17:24 | |
| kanzure | the darpa funding just uses the same name | 17:24 |
| ybit | yeah, so ad | 17:24 |
| ybit | +s | 17:24 |
| kanzure | i don't know what they are thinking.. why have they been targetting things so relevant to my interests | 17:24 |
| fenn | maybe you can convince them you own their program | 17:25 |
| ybit | :D | 17:25 |
| kanzure | and then name it openmanufacturing? | 17:25 |
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| kanzure | it serves like no purpose | 17:25 |
| kanzure | almost nobody in the consulting/contracting biz has a positive connotation associated with 'open manufacturing' | 17:25 |
| fenn | who won the vehicleforge baa anyway? | 17:25 |
| kanzure | they don't tell you things like that | 17:25 |
| fenn | why not? | 17:26 |
| kanzure | but it's probably three or four different contractors | 17:26 |
| fenn | it's my fucking money | 17:26 |
| kanzure | because it's darpa? | 17:26 |
| kanzure | nooo sir | 17:26 |
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| kanzure | i don't know /why/ they do these things | 17:27 |
| fenn | there was a darpa program manager in my house last week, but i didnt realize it | 17:28 |
| fenn | he was very young | 17:28 |
| kanzure | yeah they seem to be | 17:28 |
| kanzure | also, the darpa/om BAA is a part of adaptive vehicle make (avm) but it isn't paul eremenko | 17:28 |
| kanzure | some other guy.. luis gsomething | 17:29 |
| fenn | i bought a bunch of vitamins and stuff yesterday.. i wonder if i'm turning into one of "those" | 17:30 |
| ybit | yes | 17:32 |
| ybit | if by "those" you mean cool cats | 17:33 |
| kanzure | you should hand out the vitamins to your roommates and say "it's a science experiment" | 17:33 |
| kanzure | :( youtube doesn't have a clip of doc brown saying "it's for a science experiment" | 17:34 |
| ybit | fenn: #opensourceecology | 17:34 |
| ybit | no? | 17:36 |
| * ybit gets back to work | 17:38 | |
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| ENKI-][ | kanzure: i feed my bots both curated text and uncurated text. i also occasionally feed them arrangements based on carefully precalculated novelty curves. if there is something to be done with markov chain bots, chances are if someone in here thinks of it i've done it, planned to do it, half-implemented it, written about what i think would happen were it done, or done a slightly less | 17:49 |
| ENKI-][ | computationally intensive version of it and made pretty graphs | 17:49 |
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| kanzure | fenn: http://forum.opensourceecology.org/discussion/208/cad-standards-group | 18:42 |
| kanzure | i don't know how to help these guys out really | 18:42 |
| kanzure | some of them seem to know what they are talking about | 18:43 |
| kanzure | "will it print?" is just an excuse to use meshes | 18:43 |
| kanzure | stalk stalk stalk http://opensourceecology.org/wiki/Category:Team_Culturing | 18:45 |
| ybit | salome is finally compiling correctly | 18:45 |
| kanzure | why do you want to use salome | 18:45 |
| ybit | because i haven't used it previously | 18:46 |
| ybit | never got it to compile correctly iirc | 18:47 |
| kanzure | have you ever used NEURON | 18:47 |
| ybit | nope | 18:47 |
| kanzure | i'd rank learning neuron way, way higher than salome | 18:47 |
| kanzure | salome is just re-packaged bits of opencascade and some other crap | 18:47 |
| ybit | it's been downloaded, but i never had anything interesting to throw at it | 18:47 |
| ybit | i want cad plans for my workshop | 18:48 |
| kanzure | salome won't help with taht | 18:48 |
| ybit | that's why i'm messing with cad again | 18:48 |
| kanzure | that | 18:48 |
| ybit | but, but, i thought it would | 18:48 |
| kanzure | it's pre- and post- processing for numerical simulation | 18:49 |
| * ybit double checks | 18:49 | |
| ybit | i also want to see which of my various ideas for buildings are worth building | 18:51 |
| kanzure | based on what? | 18:51 |
| ybit | eh? | 18:51 |
| ybit | i'm asking questions like, is it going to fall on itself? | 18:52 |
| kanzure | and salome will answer this how? | 18:52 |
| ybit | what if 30-60mph winds come at it | 18:52 |
| ybit | i dunno | 18:52 |
| kanzure | ok just checking | 18:52 |
| ybit | okay, so salome's geometry module supports creation of cad files, not just importing | 18:55 |
| kanzure | like i said.. "bits of opencascade" | 18:55 |
| kanzure | but why not just do opencascade | 18:56 |
| ybit | no clue | 18:59 |
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| fenn | 'you should hand out the vitamins to your roommates and say "it's a science experiment"' - actually i had the exact same idea | 19:06 |
| fenn | i'm too impatient to test the effects of each individually | 19:06 |
| fenn | apparently excess acetylcholine will cause growth hormone to be released? | 19:08 |
| fenn | and you can even buy an acetylcholinesterase inhibitor over the counter | 19:09 |
| fenn | (huperzine A, surprisingly cheap too) | 19:09 |
| fenn | considering other chemicals in the same class are poison venoms and nerve gas, it seems an odd thing to take for health | 19:10 |
| fenn | freecad spits out SVG drawings? huh? | 19:11 |
| fenn | okay it seems to export svg from its internal 2d sketch planes, not a rendering of a 3d object | 19:19 |
| fenn | oh shit maybe not http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/free-cad/index.php?title=File:Drawing_extraction.png | 19:20 |
| kanzure | raphaeljs is a good start to a svg cad library but would need some wrappers to a better api | 19:26 |
| kanzure | more-cad-specificfc api | 19:26 |
| kanzure | specific | 19:26 |
| fenn | freecad seems to have come along quite a bit since i last looked at it | 19:29 |
| foucist | kanzure: BEEP | 19:35 |
| foucist | that was for your boop | 19:36 |
| fenn | freecad demo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bD3OWgSC5y0 | 19:36 |
| kanzure | foucist: beep accepted and appreciated | 19:38 |
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| kanzure | what? since when don't you have /irc/ | 20:36 |
| kanzure | what a poopcake | 20:36 |
| kanzure | i was trying to find the h+ proposal you drafted | 20:41 |
| ybit | ugh, internet has been down | 20:41 |
| ybit | salome installs occ | 20:42 |
| ybit | and it compiled successfully as well | 20:42 |
| ybit | i'm only running into one snag | 20:42 |
| ybit | and it's kind of important, missing some library TK library or something | 20:43 |
| ybit | which prevents me from drawing anything | 20:44 |
| ybit | in the geometry workbench | 20:44 |
| ybit | s/bench/space | 20:44 |
| ybit | s/space/whatever_these_devs_call_it | 20:44 |
| kanzure | humanityplus_reality_augmentation_proposal.pdf <-- where did this go | 20:44 |
| ybit | so re: why not occ, because solome is occ but with more, so it's more than just cad, which is nice | 20:46 |
| kanzure | oh that's right.. http://fennetic.net/irc/cyberfenn/ | 20:48 |
| kanzure | blargh that took forever | 20:49 |
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| fenn | layout.yaml contains most of the design decisions | 20:51 |
| fenn | should i remove index.html | 20:52 |
| kanzure | yes you are an awful person | 20:52 |
| kanzure | add that to README and let apache append it to the index listing | 20:52 |
| fenn | crawl away | 20:53 |
| kanzure | well i got what i was looking for | 20:53 |
| kanzure | through a horribly round-about way | 20:53 |
| fenn | apache does that? | 20:53 |
| kanzure | it might be an option | 20:53 |
| fenn | tomorrow is a meetup about an associative memory project | 20:54 |
| fenn | hm i guess i do have a backup of /irc/ now | 20:55 |
| fenn | an old backup perhaps | 20:55 |
| fenn | bbl | 20:59 |
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| kanzure | For those with children (but not for their children), narrated by Samuel L. Jackson "Go the F**k to Sleep" free on audible.com | 21:26 |
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| kanzure | hi roscoez | 21:27 |
| kanzure | i hear you want to build hardware | 21:27 |
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| kanzure | blah | 21:28 |
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| roscoez | but yeah hardware... | 21:31 |
| kanzure | do you have any particular goals | 21:32 |
| roscoez | nope | 21:33 |
| roscoez | so... | 21:39 |
| QuantumG | then buy a kit and shove it together | 21:39 |
| QuantumG | Ikea sells some easy ones | 21:39 |
| roscoez | shove is such a brutal word | 21:40 |
| kanzure | roscoez needs a good introduction to stuff | 21:40 |
| kanzure | do you have money | 21:40 |
| roscoez | nope | 21:40 |
| QuantumG | no meatballs for you then | 21:41 |
| roscoez | well like 300 dollars | 21:41 |
| QuantumG | you can get a wobbly CD rack for 300 dollars | 21:41 |
| roscoez | what else | 21:43 |
| QuantumG | a few bookshelves (just don't put any heavy books on it) | 21:43 |
| roscoez | any getting up to speed? | 21:44 |
| QuantumG | can you rephrase that with grammar? | 21:45 |
| roscoez | So I want to make hardware with no knowlege at my disposal | 21:46 |
| QuantumG | well, it comes with knowledge.. poorly written and drawn.. and an Allen key which you'll lose and suddenly need 6 months later. | 21:48 |
| roscoez | so should i start with wobbly chairs? | 21:51 |
| QuantumG | start? You said your goal was to build hardware.. a chair *is* hardware (wobbly hardware) | 21:52 |
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| kanzure | roscoez: QuantumG is a troll so you should ignore him half the time | 22:00 |
| kanzure | the other half the time he is trolling insightfully | 22:00 |
| kanzure | i'm not particularly sure what to tell you either since you've been asking for a few months.. | 22:00 |
| roscoez | well | 22:03 |
| roscoez | i want to work on like aerponics n such | 22:03 |
| QuantumG | kanzure: it's not my fault that the retard fails to understand that he has to be more specific | 22:09 |
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| roscoez | im asking about projects going on in that area | 22:12 |
| kanzure | QuantumG: he's not a retard.. i know him | 22:13 |
| kanzure | roscoez: what about hydroponics? does that work for you? | 22:14 |
| roscoez | works | 22:14 |
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| roscoez | so hydroponics projects | 22:31 |
| kanzure | ybit: do you have anything for him | 22:33 |
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| roscoez | ? | 22:49 |
| foucist | roscoez: aeroponics ftw.. and simple too! you just need tupper ware & a pump & those aeroblocks (get both pump and that @ any fish/pet/aquarium store) | 23:01 |
| foucist | roscoez: keep the water levels low, right above the blocks the air pumps into (the aeroblocks w/ the thousands of little holes) | 23:01 |
| roscoez | automation? | 23:02 |
| foucist | and basically it'll splash lots of water into the air | 23:02 |
| foucist | keep the plant roots right above that | 23:02 |
| foucist | roscoez: what, which part do you want to automate? | 23:03 |
| roscoez | fish to use | 23:03 |
| roscoez | hmm | 23:03 |
| roscoez | enviroment/lighting | 23:04 |
| foucist | roscoez: google bio-bucket & google aerocloner & also learn how to use the new LED lights for hydroponics | 23:04 |
| roscoez | scalibiity? | 23:06 |
| foucist | ok so your goal is some sort of automated scalable plant growing machine? | 23:07 |
| foucist | something that just grows bigger on it's own? | 23:07 |
| foucist | like automated self-replicating farm? | 23:07 |
| foucist | screw plants then.. algae vats -> food is where it's at | 23:10 |
| roscoez | algae foodstuff | 23:10 |
| roscoez | ? | 23:10 |
| foucist | yes | 23:11 |
| roscoez | all the nutrients and goodies needed? | 23:12 |
| roscoez | so algae vat projects im sure there are a lot but can you list me some | 23:15 |
| kanzure | tons.. lookup photobioreactors | 23:19 |
| roscoez | cure for future hunger eh | 23:24 |
| kanzure | paypal exploit http://thenextweb.com/industry/2011/06/16/paypal-vulnerability-allows-access-to-any-account-within-30-seconds/ | 23:28 |
| kanzure | comments: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2660100 | 23:28 |
| bkero | kanzure: that's sort of dangerous | 23:28 |
| kanzure | well they don't give the email corruption pattern | 23:30 |
| kanzure | but i imagine it's something like "kanzurepaypal@yahoo.com-%20;bkero@gmail.com" or something | 23:30 |
| QuantumG | yeah, most likely | 23:32 |
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