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| @kanzure | O___O http://blogs.adobe.com/acrolaw/2011/06/code-obfuscation-for-patent-and-court-filings/ | 01:32 |
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| fenn | the fluorophore idea is good | 05:25 |
| fenn | the polymerase also must ignore the template strand | 05:26 |
| fenn | also i think you'd get poly-NTP's | 05:29 |
| fenn | er, repeats of each base | 05:29 |
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| @kanzure | beeeep | 09:07 |
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| Pabreetzio | beep? | 09:22 |
| @kanzure | yes | 09:22 |
| Pabreetzio | My NO sensor beeps 5 times as it counts down to turning off. Loudly | 09:22 |
| Pabreetzio | NO2 sensor rather | 09:23 |
| Pabreetzio | I like that it beeps when concentrations are above 1ppm, but does it really need to beep so much just to turn the thing off? | 09:24 |
| Pabreetzio | so are we any closer to having an apt get for manufacturing, kanzure? | 09:25 |
| @kanzure | no nobody has read the spec | 09:26 |
| thesnark | Pabreetzio You have a sensor that measures...? | 09:46 |
| thesnark | derp derp | 09:52 |
| thesnark | I can read | 09:52 |
| thesnark | herp derp derp | 09:52 |
| @kanzure | i have met you sir and i can attest to the fact that you most certainly cannot, read | 09:53 |
| @kanzure | "Someone once said of Feynman that his lectures were beautifully clear, and that those who listened gained real insight and understanding. Until they had to use it. Then they realised that they didn't really understand it at all." | 10:00 |
| thesnark | That is exactly what those are like | 10:05 |
| thesnark | Awesome to listen to | 10:05 |
| thesnark | Impossible to apply | 10:05 |
| thesnark | Man, maybe I can't read | 10:06 |
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| @kanzure | thesnark: i didn't find that to be the case for me, | 10:14 |
| @kanzure | but it's interesting if that's a shared sentiment among people. | 10:14 |
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| thesnark | Impossible is a strong way to put it | 10:18 |
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| @kanzure | probably spam http://thepowerofopen.org/ | 10:56 |
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| @kanzure | hi eudoxia | 11:05 |
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| Stranger | Say something interesting. | 12:25 |
| @kanzure | that's your job! | 12:26 |
| Stranger | uh, ok. It's a better time to be a racehorse than a human if you have an achilles' tendon injury. | 12:27 |
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| nsh | i see we've succumbed to hierarchical control structures :P | 14:51 |
| @kanzure | the alex jones threat was very real | 14:53 |
| eudoxia | oh what did he do now | 14:54 |
| @kanzure | AlonzoTG was about to babble about him | 14:55 |
| @kanzure | so i stepped up my game | 14:55 |
| nsh | que? | 14:59 |
| * nsh imagines an empassioned jonesrant on diy bioterrorists | 14:59 | |
| @kanzure | gah can't you guys come up with something better to talk abuot | 15:00 |
| @kanzure | about | 15:00 |
| nsh | most likely | 15:01 |
| nsh | i'm just curious | 15:01 |
| nsh | what's your latest interest, kanz? | 15:02 |
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| @kanzure | hi thesnark | 16:12 |
| thesnark | hey kanzure | 16:12 |
| thesnark | I'm starting a hackerspace | 16:12 |
| thesnark | We have like 11 members | 16:13 |
| thesnark | I dunno though it's panning out pretty well | 16:13 |
| thesnark | so far at least | 16:13 |
| thesnark | We don't run the planet yet | 16:13 |
| @kanzure | i like ybit's honesty about his hackerspace | 16:14 |
| @kanzure | 13:49 < ybit> exert from the tlabs wiki page | 16:15 |
| @kanzure | 13:49 < ybit> might be helpful | 16:15 |
| @kanzure | 13:51 < bkero> tlabs? | 16:15 |
| @kanzure | 13:55 < ybit> tlabs/tweak labs, a bunch of broke local people that were interested in forming a hackerspace, then they all realized they were broke | 16:15 |
| thesnark | ouch | 16:15 |
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| @kanzure | fenn: how about screen resolution | 16:43 |
| @kanzure | i think i have a 2000x2000 glviewport in there | 16:43 |
| @kanzure | maybe that is beyond the bounds of something about something related to netbooking | 16:43 |
| AlonzoTG | om | 16:46 |
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| AlonzoTG | u wanted to talk about Alex Jones? | 17:01 |
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| ybit | kanzure: you've been looking for watermarks on pdfs? | 20:55 |
| ybit | using what if so.. | 20:55 |
| @kanzure | manual inspection | 20:56 |
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| ybit | okay | 20:59 |
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| kanzure | i'm sorry dave http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/sciencenotfiction/files/2011/06/theWAREHOUSE_comic_672.jpg | 21:16 |
| kanzure | more lame ai debate http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/sciencenotfiction/2011/06/25/towards-a-new-vision-of-the-singularity/ | 21:17 |
| * nsh just realised that "working in AI" is pretty analogous a profession to "curing cancer" | 21:19 | |
| nsh | ie, stupid | 21:19 |
| nsh | shup and work on a tractable problem | 21:19 |
| kanzure | CURIN' CANCZAAH | 21:19 |
| kanzure | DAH CANZAHH IS IN DA BRAYNS | 21:20 |
| nsh | kanzure, you should watch this if you can be bothered http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b012b42j/Imagine_201112_The_Man_Who_Forgot_How_to_Read_and_Other_Stories/ | 21:20 |
| kanzure | i do think there are tractable forms of cancer | 21:20 |
| kanzure | for instance, benign tumors | 21:20 |
| kanzure | benign inoperable tumors | 21:20 |
| nsh | that was my point kanz | 21:20 |
| kanzure | okay | 21:21 |
| nsh | what i mean is that "curing cancer" is impossible as cancer is not a curable disease | 21:21 |
| kanzure | i'll look at it. | 21:21 |
| nsh | and AI is not an achievable end, for similar reasons | 21:21 |
| nsh | but there are lots of computer learning problems we can make actual progress on | 21:21 |
| kanzure | i do think that there are tractable general intelligence programs, like in whole brain emulation | 21:22 |
| kanzure | 'general intelligence' oops i used the bad word | 21:22 |
| kanzure | i mean 'tractable brain problems' | 21:22 |
| nsh | you can certainly make something at least as general as a human brain | 21:23 |
| nsh | but the romantic notion of 'intelligence' as a quality that computers can be imbued with is pretty poorly founded, in retrospect | 21:25 |
| kanzure | the romanti cnotion of 'intelligence' as a quality that brains are imbued with is pretty poorly founded, in retrospect | 21:25 |
| kanzure | *romantic notion | 21:25 |
| kanzure | fuck | 21:25 |
| * nsh smiles | 21:26 | |
| nsh | kanzure, my point is close to Hanson's in that article | 21:46 |
| nsh | "Extrapolation of this analogy (as well as Knapp’s analysis of Watson on Jeopardy!) points towards a human intelligence superiority around abstraction, invention, creativity, and imagination and a computer intelligence superiority in calculation, data analysis, and information retrieval. Thus, I propose a new analogy for the two types of intelligence represented by humans and computers: | 21:50 |
| nsh | the right and left hemispheres of the human brain." | 21:50 |
| nsh | (where i stopped reading) | 21:50 |
| nsh | wait, this person gets paid by Discover magazine? | 21:51 |
| * kanzure nods :( | 21:52 | |
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| AlonzoTG | Okay, that was a somewhat enlightening exchange, apparently in some out of band communication channel, decisions have been made to look only at "tractable problems"... | 22:39 |
| AlonzoTG | But I still don't understand the broader vision or see any interesting-to-me utility in the issues that are discussed here. | 22:40 |
| kanzure | nsh and i only talk with each other in here | 23:00 |
| kanzure | what is your current understanding of the broader vision | 23:01 |
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