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| fenn | huh. apparently meredith patterson will be at langton in august | 04:17 |
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| foucist | *stalker alert* | 05:14 |
| Lucas__ | ... | 05:18 |
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| fenn | langton is my house you fuckwad | 05:36 |
| foucist | lol, even with that extra information, the joke still works! | 05:37 |
| fenn | *lurks angrily* | 05:37 |
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| kanzure | angry lurking is the best lurking | 05:40 |
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| kanzure | how was "fenn doesn't exercise" a valid heuristic | 05:44 |
| kanzure | wait anselm goes by ansi? you should start going by iso | 05:49 |
| kanzure | have you met meredith yet? she's really fun in person | 06:00 |
| fenn | intentional exercise, not that which was required due to poverty | 06:28 |
| fenn | why "iso"? | 06:28 |
| fenn | oh, i get it | 06:28 |
| fenn | and my cousin "eia" | 06:28 |
| kanzure | i don't get eia | 06:34 |
| fenn | electronics industry association | 06:35 |
| kanzure | sounds lame | 06:35 |
| fenn | :( | 06:35 |
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| kanzure | hey uh i'm having trouble with my qs presentation | 06:35 |
| kanzure | i don't have 20 things | 06:35 |
| kanzure | i have maybe 2 screenshots of this old 2004-2006 "NEVER SEEN BEFORE" version | 06:35 |
| kanzure | screenshot of yaml | 06:35 |
| kanzure | giant tag cloud | 06:36 |
| kanzure | graph of people-per-day | 06:36 |
| fenn | uh huh. text won't go over so well | 06:36 |
| fenn | when do you arrive btw? | 06:36 |
| kanzure | the point is that it's a loud not to actually read it | 06:36 |
| kanzure | i arrive at 3:15pm ish.. but i gotta husstle to meet everyone | 06:36 |
| fenn | heh | 06:36 |
| fenn | gotta be back in austin in time for .. something | 06:37 |
| kanzure | no i mean the presentation is at 8pm | 06:37 |
| kanzure | and joseph/nathan/toothpaste want to meet between then | 06:37 |
| fenn | what the hell kind of name is toothpaste | 06:37 |
| kanzure | some chinese guy.. i don't know man | 06:37 |
| kanzure | what other slides should i have? | 06:38 |
| kanzure | i can talk about different motivating factors on a few slides but it might be boring? "can't keep track of 4000 people X 100 things each" | 06:38 |
| fenn | maybe some visual aid representing a communication matrix | 06:39 |
| kanzure | a graph of an individual person maybe from | 06:39 |
| fenn | monkeysphere visualization aid | 06:39 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/meetlog/graphs/ | 06:39 |
| kanzure | anything in ../ look good there? | 06:39 |
| fenn | ah the infamous al gore hockeystick | 06:40 |
| kanzure | wut | 06:40 |
| fenn | what's "lines of code" | 06:40 |
| kanzure | commits in ~/code y me | 06:40 |
| kanzure | by me | 06:40 |
| fenn | just noticing the sudden spike in everything 2009-10-01 | 06:40 |
| kanzure | that might have been a spike in recording behavior | 06:40 |
| fenn | indeed | 06:41 |
| kanzure | i remember it being something like that.. not anything like "being more social" | 06:41 |
| kanzure | but i've been fairly consistent since then | 06:41 |
| fenn | well, gary is going to ask, "why do you do this?" and "what did you learn from doing this?" better start thinking of answers quick | 06:41 |
| kanzure | he asked me that last year and i didn't have an answer for the second one | 06:42 |
| kanzure | "i've learned how to love" ? or "I've learned that I hate everone. Everyone. All of them." | 06:42 |
| kanzure | *everyone | 06:42 |
| fenn | "i've learned that graphs aren't magical data analysis tools" | 06:43 |
| kanzure | hah | 06:43 |
| fenn | sorry i don't know, i hate powerpoint | 06:43 |
| fenn | come up with some ideas | 06:43 |
| kanzure | i've learned that people pop up in really weird niches and they don't expect to be cross-correlated | 06:43 |
| fenn | you dont necessarily have to talk about stuff you've done, ideas to do in the future is fun too | 06:43 |
| fenn | ah yes talk about that | 06:44 |
| fenn | specific examples plz | 06:44 |
| kanzure | hmm | 06:44 |
| kanzure | todd? | 06:44 |
| fenn | imploding universe hypothesis strikes again! | 06:44 |
| kanzure | i think he expects to be found | 06:44 |
| fenn | krotos | 06:45 |
| kanzure | who? | 06:45 |
| fenn | hmph. stupid internet | 06:45 |
| kanzure | i was going to go over the whole "mom didn't know about transhumanism/diybio" | 06:45 |
| fenn | nevermind | 06:45 |
| kanzure | or "mom wants to know why the fbi is paying me a visit" | 06:45 |
| fenn | yeah that's a nice anecdote | 06:45 |
| kanzure | future features that would be cool: | 06:46 |
| kanzure | tag/interest clustering | 06:46 |
| kanzure | finally making my giant auto-email creator | 06:46 |
| kanzure | automatic communication reminders/frequencies | 06:46 |
| fenn | how hard would it be to cluster people by tag coincidence? | 06:47 |
| kanzure | some way to increase deep bumps/synchronizations (i kinda fail at having the 6-hour-lets-really-talk things with everyone.. it happens more rarely than it should) | 06:47 |
| kanzure | not hard at all.. | 06:47 |
| fenn | i mean this is like a 5 line hack with graphviz and fdp graph layout algorithm | 06:47 |
| fenn | do it! | 06:47 |
| kanzure | er.. | 06:47 |
| kanzure | is it? i haven't done this in a while | 06:47 |
| kanzure | i have a list of People objects each with People.tags (a list of tags) | 06:47 |
| kanzure | the list is weighted | 06:48 |
| fenn | make a node for each tag, make a node for each person, make a link between each person and each tag | 06:48 |
| kanzure | what... | 06:48 |
| kanzure | that's not how you do clustering | 06:48 |
| fenn | bah | 06:48 |
| fenn | this is a 2d projection | 06:48 |
| kanzure | you assume that there's K number of groups, then you group people into each group based on a similarity metric | 06:48 |
| fenn | whatever | 06:48 |
| kanzure | right? | 06:48 |
| fenn | i know what k means is | 06:48 |
| kanzure | well i assume k-means would be appropriate here | 06:48 |
| fenn | meh | 06:49 |
| kanzure | your described graph sounds like it would be messy? | 06:49 |
| fenn | yes | 06:49 |
| fenn | or not, i dont really know | 06:49 |
| fenn | do it! | 06:49 |
| kanzure | guess it doesn't matter... nobody will be actually looking :) | 06:49 |
| fenn | actually you should zoom in a bit and point out the interesting bits | 06:49 |
| fenn | dont assume nobody will be watching your presentation when planning your presentation :P | 06:50 |
| kanzure | how would your tag/people-node-graph be organized? | 06:50 |
| fenn | by natural clusters, of course | 06:50 |
| kanzure | i mean which layout algorithm | 06:50 |
| fenn | fdp or kamada-kawai, but kamada-kawai tends to get stuck more easily | 06:50 |
| fenn | play around with number of iterations, etc | 06:51 |
| fenn | there are a lot of parameters | 06:51 |
| kanzure | fdp? http://www.ixalon.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/lbp_user_hearts_subsample_2877nodes.png | 06:51 |
| fenn | yeah something like that | 06:51 |
| fenn | that's obviously a computer network | 06:52 |
| kanzure | libpolkit-gobject-1-0: Breaks: libpolkit-gtk-1-0 (< 0.99) but 0.95-1 is to be installed | 06:52 |
| kanzure | aw shit why don't i have graphviz installed | 06:52 |
| kanzure | realistically i don't know how i am going to do this in the next 2 hours | 06:54 |
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| kanzure | haha should i graph git commit frequency for meetlog.git :P | 07:08 |
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| kanzure | lolz i'm going to add a break slide | 07:09 |
| kanzure | finding one error at a time in meetlog is really lame.. | 07:13 |
| kanzure | takes 30sec each time to parse the file | 07:13 |
| fenn | chop it into pieces | 07:13 |
| kanzure | (it used to take 30min to parse the file) | 07:13 |
| kanzure | which day should i show for a screenshot of yaml? | 07:14 |
| kanzure | "Second, attached is a contact list for all attendees and participants from the workshop. Please utilize these contacts freely, as continuing these established relationships will stand to benefit both the DIYbio and FBI communities." | 07:43 |
| kanzure | hmmmm | 07:43 |
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| kanzure | fenn: does your sdf email still work | 08:11 |
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| kanzure | BEHOLD http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/presentations/quantified-self/meetlog.pdf | 08:22 |
| Utopiah | knowledge? | 08:28 |
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| fenn | yes, but i'm getting a lot of spam (probably from skdb git repo) | 08:39 |
| fenn | so walgreens doesn't sell hair bleach, can you fucking believe it. should i dump sodium persulfate on my head? | 08:40 |
| fenn | people write the damnedest things | 08:42 |
| fenn | notice how "i" has two wings on each side. that is to visually assist with the understanding that such a variable is liberating | 08:43 |
| fenn | LOL (this is a drowning man who is dancing; we're all drowning, might as well go down dancing and laughing out loud) | 08:43 |
| kanzure | are you reading spam.. | 08:46 |
| archels | kanzure: Cumulative People Per Day is not really cumulative, is it? | 08:47 |
| kanzure | Utopiah: extra data that i have added that either someone told me about someone else, or that i figured out by stalking | 08:47 |
| kanzure | archels: do'h.. i suppose you're right | 08:47 |
| kanzure | it's cumulative-within-the-day | 08:47 |
| kanzure | :P | 08:47 |
| streety | for pg3 where is the red line? | 08:54 |
| streety | and pg4 | 08:55 |
| kanzure | not present | 09:03 |
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| fenn | 30 Hz can't possibly be right | 09:45 |
| fenn | uh, please dont fuck up the "imploding universe hypothesis" | 09:46 |
| fenn | i wasn't suggesting you speak about it | 09:46 |
| fenn | am i going to have to make this graph for you | 09:47 |
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| ybit | i had a dream where patri friedman was trying to kill me, i wake up and befriends me on google plus | 09:49 |
| ybit | he befriends* | 09:49 |
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| ybit | fenn: are you sure you want to bleach your hair? that could take awhile to clear up, especially if you're hair is still long | 09:50 |
| fenn | worst case scenario it crumbles into dust and i have short hair | 09:53 |
| fenn | however more likely failure mode is it just looks like crap, in which case i dye it black | 09:54 |
| * fenn checks his test sample | 09:54 | |
| archels | more likely failure mode is bladder cancer, am I right. | 09:58 |
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| ybit | *rimshot* | 10:01 |
| fenn | bladder cancer? i'm not going to be drinking the stuff... | 10:03 |
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| Utopiah | http://about.jstor.org/news-events/news/jstor-statement-misuse-incident-and-criminal-case (on Aaron Swartz "backup") | 12:05 |
| uniqanomaly | "Our ultimate objective is to provide affordable access to scholarly content to anyone who needs it. | 12:16 |
| uniqanomaly | " | 12:16 |
| uniqanomaly | like 14$/article | 12:16 |
| uniqanomaly | sure, very affordable | 12:16 |
| uniqanomaly | someone should dump all their articles on torrent just for civil disobedience | 12:19 |
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| archels | uniqanomaly: I think that was Aaron's plan. | 12:29 |
| uniqanomaly | not really | 12:31 |
| uniqanomaly | he was just doing automated research | 12:31 |
| archels | Not according to the subpoena, but I'm not sure if that's accurate. | 12:31 |
| archels | er, indictment. http://web.mit.edu/bitbucket/Swartz,%20Aaron%20Indictment.pdf | 12:32 |
| uniqanomaly | http://demandprogress.org/aaron | 12:34 |
| uniqanomaly | He is the author of numerous articles on a variety of topics, especially the corrupting influence of big money on institutions including nonprofits, the media, politics, and public opinion. In conjunction with Shireen Barday, he downloaded and analyzed 441,170 law review articles to determine the source of their funding; the results were published in the Stanford Law Review. From 2010-11, he researched these topics as a Fello | 12:34 |
| uniqanomaly | w at the Harvard Ethics Center Lab on Institutional Corruption. | 12:34 |
| uniqanomaly | so this is fuckin insane | 12:34 |
| archels | yah, but it'll probably end well. | 12:38 |
| uniqanomaly | right, they'll just settle for 4411170 * 14 = 61'756'380 $ | 12:42 |
| uniqanomaly | and he'll be free man again | 12:42 |
| archels | I heard that JSTOR is not even pressing charges. | 12:43 |
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| uniqanomaly | https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/217115-20110719-schwartz.html | 16:51 |
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| lumos | uniqanomaly, hi | 17:29 |
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| uniqanomaly | hi lumos | 17:37 |
| lumos | uniqanomaly, how are you | 17:39 |
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| jrayhawk | APBing if anyone cares | 20:36 |
| jrayhawk | and not APBing anymore | 21:41 |
| jrayhawk | oh, wrong room entirely. Hurf durf. | 21:41 |
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