| --- Log opened Sat Sep 17 00:00:14 2011 | ||
| CryptoQuick | gotta split~ | 00:00 |
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| kanzure | xelxebar1: i hope not | 00:01 |
| xelxebar1 | kanzure: and why would that be? | 00:06 |
| genehacker | hey kanzure, you seen the quake lab DNA synthesizer? | 00:30 |
| genehacker | http://thebigone.stanford.edu/papers/Lee%20Nucleic%20Acids%20Research.pdf | 00:30 |
| genehacker | it's completely made from PDMS | 00:34 |
| genehacker | and all features can be made with shrinky dink microfluidics | 00:38 |
| augur | so whats everyones opinion on the new deus ex, ey? | 00:48 |
| augur | it uses the h+ lexicon fairly freely | 00:48 |
| kanzure | genehacker: yeah i've seen it | 00:51 |
| kanzure | augur: the ads are a little demeaning | 00:52 |
| kanzure | xelxebar1: lesswrong causes me lots of trouble | 00:52 |
| augur | kanzure: probably; i havent seen any tho | 00:52 |
| augur | have you played it? | 00:52 |
| kanzure | nope not yet | 00:52 |
| augur | its an ok game | 00:52 |
| genehacker | you wouldn't happen to know if anyone in DIY has actually built working shrinky dink microfluidics would you? | 00:54 |
| kanzure | nobody has reported it.. | 00:54 |
| kanzure | genehacker: you seen this? | 00:55 |
| kanzure | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akaos1U8Rto | 00:55 |
| kanzure | augur: ^that's for you | 00:55 |
| genehacker | no | 00:55 |
| genehacker | I'm playing old deus ex though | 00:56 |
| augur | kanzure: thats an accurate depiction of the points of view of one of the main antagonists in this game | 00:59 |
| augur | perhaps *the* main antagonist. im not really sure, i havent completed the game yet. | 00:59 |
| genehacker | SPOILER ALERT | 01:00 |
| kanzure | does anyone have a pokemon black rom | 01:00 |
| kanzure | inquiring minds need to know | 01:00 |
| augur | i tried playing old deus ex. the game wont run fast enough for me :( | 01:00 |
| genehacker | that's odd | 01:00 |
| augur | but anyway, i think the new deus ex appropriately focuses on certain issues that transhumanists should take more seriously | 01:01 |
| kanzure | xelxebar1: sorry but jrayhawk is my director of antilesswrong affairs, you'll have to bring up further questions with him | 01:01 |
| kanzure | augur: no.. we need to stop focusing on that bullshit and just make shit | 01:01 |
| kanzure | trust me, enough people are busy playing ethics for all of us | 01:02 |
| kanzure | don't need any more of 'em | 01:02 |
| augur | i dont mean ethics crap | 01:02 |
| genehacker | and I was thinking of trolling that bioethics club for fun... | 01:02 |
| augur | thats the big thing you see in that commercial | 01:02 |
| augur | but what i mean is that the game plays up /different/ social aspects | 01:03 |
| augur | anti-h+ backlash due to differences in access stemming from economic class, etc. | 01:03 |
| kanzure | tell me why you should care about backlash | 01:03 |
| augur | ... | 01:04 |
| kanzure | no really | 01:05 |
| kanzure | if people hate you are you going to stop ?? | 01:05 |
| kanzure | is that it? | 01:05 |
| QuantumG | stop what? I'll hate you if you like. | 01:05 |
| kanzure | thanks QuantumG always having my back :) | 01:05 |
| xelxebar1 | kanzure: antilesswrong affairs, such a splendid use of resources | 01:06 |
| kanzure | xelxebar1: well, he's much more eloquent at this | 01:07 |
| kanzure | honestly i'd just be wasting your time with a giant rant | 01:07 |
| QuantumG | we're used to it | 01:07 |
| kanzure | and then you'd end up with some rationalist singularity argument about decision theory and tools for existential risks | 01:07 |
| kanzure | also we'd have an ai-is-gonna-kill-us-all argument or two, some fai theory, then we'd trot out our eliezer arguments.. | 01:08 |
| kanzure | does this sound about right :x | 01:08 |
| xelxebar1 | hey, that's a pretty decent compression ratio you got there | 01:08 |
| kanzure | thx | 01:08 |
| xelxebar1 | the cult following of eliezer is a bit annoying | 01:09 |
| kanzure | it's everywhere and i've been trying to figure out if i should assasinate him | 01:09 |
| kanzure | someone once compared me to him and i felt sick.. not cool | 01:09 |
| QuantumG | if he has a cult following you don't need to assassinate him.. just spread rumors that he's stockpiling weapons and the ATF will do it for ya. | 01:10 |
| genehacker | is it really that easy? | 01:10 |
| QuantumG | have you seen Red State? | 01:11 |
| xelxebar1 | well, I'm not sure he's so much the issue, more the oooh-look-shiny-new-idea-of-awesome-this-must-be-the-ultimate-answer-of-ultimate syndrome | 01:11 |
| genehacker | nah | 01:11 |
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| QuantumG | on an unrelated note, I heard Singularity U is stockpiling weapons. | 01:12 |
| kanzure | xelxebar1: http://gnusha.org/logs/2011-07-10.log | 01:12 |
| kanzure | 15:29 < kanzure> gcpopell: "so, in a way, they're trying to combat AI singularity with human rationalist singularity, and that just seems dumb to me considering that rationalism isn't really all that empowering." | 01:14 |
| genehacker | strangely that wouldn't surprise me... | 01:14 |
| genehacker | anyone know what sort of PDMS the microfluidics people use? | 01:15 |
| kanzure | nope.. but i'm pretty sure it's an su8 process | 01:15 |
| genehacker | is it some special stuff, or is it just RTV 615? | 01:15 |
| kanzure | check the supplemental materials? | 01:15 |
| kanzure | i might have the supplements here: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/microfluidics/ | 01:16 |
| kanzure | or here http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/microfluidics/synthesis/ | 01:16 |
| kanzure | pfpe i think | 01:16 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/microfluidics/synthesis/microfluidics_Quake_DNA_synthesizer-20mers-PFPE.png | 01:16 |
| genehacker | SU-8 ain't pdms | 01:16 |
| kanzure | su8 is for the other part of the process | 01:17 |
| genehacker | I'm wondering what PDMS they used | 01:17 |
| kanzure | it's been a while.. | 01:17 |
| genehacker | if it's something that's COTS | 01:17 |
| genehacker | one paper says RTV 615 | 01:17 |
| kanzure | pfpe, ptfe or pdms | 01:17 |
| genehacker | recent paper was PDMS | 01:20 |
| genehacker | hmmmm... looks like it's RTV 615... | 01:20 |
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| kanzure | which paper? | 01:22 |
| genehacker | quake's first valve paper | 01:22 |
| kanzure | that was recent? | 01:23 |
| kanzure | hmm we should go assasinate "Individualidades Tendiendo a lo Salvaje" | 01:23 |
| kanzure | "In statements posted on the Internet, the ITS expresses particular hostility towards nanotechnology and computer scientists. It claims that nanotechnology will lead to the downfall of mankind, and predicts that the world will become dominated by self-aware artificial-intelligence technology." | 01:24 |
| kanzure | (hey look! it's like siai but with balls!) | 01:24 |
| genehacker | the group that bombed that mems lab? | 01:24 |
| kanzure | plus other bombs | 01:25 |
| genehacker | this is the paper where they say they used RTV 615 | 01:26 |
| genehacker | http://thebigone.stanford.edu/papers/Unger%20Science.pdf | 01:26 |
| genehacker | it's from 2000 | 01:26 |
| genehacker | wait they bombed other places? | 01:26 |
| kanzure | mailed some bombs around to some professors | 01:26 |
| genehacker | how many? | 01:26 |
| kanzure | http://www.nature.com/news/2011/110822/full/476373a.html | 01:27 |
| genehacker | so that explains why we have a 24 hr watch on my campus... | 01:28 |
| kanzure | where are you? | 01:28 |
| genehacker | I am where I am | 01:29 |
| kanzure | i'm really struggling between pokemon black vs. sleep | 01:29 |
| genehacker | and where I am does nanotech research | 01:29 |
| kanzure | ut dallas | 01:30 |
| kanzure | hmm that doesn't fit your history actually | 01:30 |
| kanzure | are you still overseas? | 01:30 |
| genehacker | yes I am | 01:30 |
| kanzure | oxford right? | 01:30 |
| genehacker | nope | 01:30 |
| kanzure | you should visit the future humanity institute and bonk anders sandberg over the head | 01:30 |
| kanzure | maybe he will have his senses knocked back into alignment | 01:31 |
| kanzure | oh. | 01:31 |
| genehacker | anyway in my opinion self-improving AI probably won't be a problem | 01:33 |
| klafka | hey | 01:33 |
| klafka | what does that mean? | 01:34 |
| klafka | self improving AI won't be a problem? | 01:34 |
| QuantumG | just "improving AI" is unlikely enough. | 01:34 |
| klafka | yeah 'improving AI' is tough | 01:35 |
| genehacker | an incredibly fast AI capable of improving itself might also be capable of inventing 'drugs' for itself | 01:35 |
| kanzure | err.. | 01:35 |
| klafka | IMO you'd basically need to learn reinforcement matrices via evolutionary process | 01:35 |
| klafka | or at least that's one way i can think of | 01:35 |
| klafka | that's the most obvious way | 01:35 |
| kanzure | i think gloabl world domination is a possibility | 01:35 |
| kanzure | not hard to imagine it | 01:35 |
| genehacker | genetic algorithms are really good at finding shortcuts | 01:35 |
| klafka | eh | 01:36 |
| klafka | no they're not | 01:36 |
| genehacker | IE solutions to the problem which don't actually work | 01:36 |
| klafka | oh so you mean local optima | 01:36 |
| QuantumG | yeah, and a competent and profitable space industry could conquer the solar system in a generation. Call me when you get to step 1. | 01:36 |
| klafka | then yes i agree | 01:36 |
| kanzure | genehacker: http://www.no-free-lunch.org/ | 01:36 |
| klafka | or rather getting stuck in some sort of local optima | 01:36 |
| klafka | um i'm not sure how that's relevant | 01:37 |
| klafka | although very useful to know | 01:37 |
| kanzure | maybe this wasn't the page i was thinking of | 01:38 |
| kanzure | oh well | 01:38 |
| klafka | hmm is anyone familiar w/ DB optimization? would having a very large but sparse table be bad for doing search queries on? | 01:38 |
| klafka | if so, is there a standard rdb method for handling essentially queries on large sparse matrices | 01:39 |
| kanzure | anyway, the threat of ai is sort of a non-issue because if some "intelligent" (or other) system by definition acquires capacity to destroy the world (or do other 'very bad things') you're fucked anyway.. | 01:39 |
| genehacker | sparse= flat? | 01:39 |
| * kanzure attempts to sleep. the pokeymans can wait. | 01:40 | |
| klafka | i'm not sure what flat means | 01:40 |
| klafka | in this context | 01:40 |
| klafka | i mean like i have lots of rows with lots of fields but in a row only a small number of fields are important or non-zero | 01:40 |
| genehacker | that sounds like a flat table | 01:40 |
| klafka | ok | 01:41 |
| QuantumG | searching by anything but the key is slow. | 01:41 |
| Utopiah | genehacker: might like the recent http://www.cs.princeton.edu/~chazelle/pubs/selfimprove.pdf http://www.idsia.ch/~steunebrink/Publications/AGI11_goedel_machine.pdf | 01:41 |
| klafka | i was thinking of doing a nosql database | 01:41 |
| klafka | like redis | 01:41 |
| klafka | but redis is specifically memcached | 01:41 |
| kanzure | genehacker doesn't know redis :x | 01:42 |
| klafka | i'm not sure if that's too early optimization | 01:42 |
| genehacker | if you have to change the structure of your table to add new fields then its flat I think | 01:42 |
| genehacker | I don't know redis, I do know access though, but in general flat tables are a bad idea | 01:42 |
| kanzure | genehacker: btw, access is really old school at this point | 01:43 |
| klafka | well basically i have a large number of keys where each key is associated with a subset of IDs that is shared between all keys | 01:43 |
| kanzure | there's a lot of really fucking cool shit out there | 01:43 |
| klafka | and i want to do stuff like find the intersection of IDs between two keys | 01:43 |
| kanzure | way beyond ms access db | 01:43 |
| genehacker | yeah, but people still use it, and I had to learn how to use it for a job | 01:43 |
| kanzure | wow.. | 01:43 |
| kanzure | (me too) | 01:44 |
| klafka | atm I do this by creating a dict of sets and operating off that | 01:44 |
| klafka | but that's obviously not a persistent solution | 01:44 |
| genehacker | yeah... | 01:44 |
| genehacker | also this job had a bunch of machines that had to run windows 95 | 01:45 |
| genehacker | said machines could probably be seen from the internet | 01:45 |
| klafka | ewwwww | 01:45 |
| genehacker | oh wait it might have just been XP | 01:46 |
| genehacker | do you know what said machines were? | 01:46 |
| klafka | dude the company i support (a major bank) is all XP | 01:46 |
| genehacker | said machines were 3d printers | 01:46 |
| klafka | they only use XP pretty much | 01:46 |
| klafka | LOL | 01:46 |
| kanzure | genehacker: yeah, industrial equipment is usually ass-backwards like that | 01:47 |
| kanzure | i saw some hitachi stm software a few months ago.. total garbage | 01:48 |
| kanzure | wasn't even completely translated into english | 01:48 |
| genehacker | the machines are on average 10 years old, so it was sort of expected | 01:48 |
| kanzure | 10 years ago would be windows 2000 or xp | 01:48 |
| kanzure | or windows 98 at worst | 01:49 |
| genehacker | yeah it was XP | 01:50 |
| genehacker | machines were pretty bad too | 01:52 |
| genehacker | they wouldn't run properly without all the mods made to them | 01:53 |
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| delinquentme | HIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII | 11:24 |
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| augur | kanzure: http://www.reddit.com/r/science/comments/kil43/stand_up_against_the_antitechnology_terrorists/ | 14:35 |
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| kanzure | what? now the sleep drugs aren't working | 15:23 |
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| delinquentme | kanzure: whats the gantry name for the ToM which was remade as to lower the moving weight ... and keep the motors stationary? | 15:26 |
| kanzure | thingomatic | 15:31 |
| kanzure | dunno | 15:31 |
| delinquentme | ultimake | 15:44 |
| delinquentme | ultimaker** | 15:44 |
| klafka_ | btw you guys see http://www.vcasmo.com/video/drewconway/13268 | 16:44 |
| delinquentme | klafka i like panda!!!!!!!! | 16:54 |
| klafka_ | i've never used panda | 16:54 |
| klafka_ | although it seems pretty neat | 16:55 |
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| delinquentme | oh | 17:18 |
| delinquentme | i mean panda | 17:18 |
| delinquentme | pandas* | 17:18 |
| delinquentme | petting them is a hobby of mine. | 17:19 |
| klafka_ | oh | 17:19 |
| klafka_ | heh | 17:19 |
| delinquentme | am i missing something? | 17:46 |
| delinquentme | tungsten carbide rods are 1/5th the cost of stainless steel | 17:46 |
| delinquentme | of the SAME rod. | 17:46 |
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| eudoxia | Does anyone know how the resolution of 3D printers has increased over time? | 17:54 |
| eudoxia | I was wondering if it was roughly exponential, in which case someone's going to make the case that "in X years we'll have molecular manufacturing" | 17:54 |
| eudoxia | And when that day comes my counter-trolling skills must be ready | 17:55 |
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| kanzure | hmm so where's the online open hardware summit fallout? | 19:50 |
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| delinquentme | ?? | 20:21 |
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| kanzure | what was that openscad wrapper in python that could be switched out with pythonocc? | 23:56 |
| kanzure | cadmium? pyopenscad? openscadpy? | 23:56 |
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