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| JayDugger | Good morning, everyone. | 06:30 |
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| kanzure | mm | 08:05 |
| kanzure | http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Radeon-HD-7970-Mit-2048-Kernen-an-die-Leistungsspitze-1399905.html | 08:05 |
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| kanzure | cat ../irclogs/freenode/\#reprap.log | grep "github.com" | urifind | grep github | sort | uniq | 09:55 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/reprap.links.txt | 09:56 |
| kanzure | http://julienbld.github.com/pycado/ "Pycado is an object oriented 3D CAD scripting language based on pythonocc with a graphical interactive editor" | 09:57 |
| kanzure | https://github.com/punkmanufacturing/thingiverse-backup | 09:59 |
| kanzure | http://dongiverse.com/ | 10:05 |
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| Utopiah | http://www.generatorx.no/20111222/generator-x-3-0-from-code-to-atoms/ | 10:18 |
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| kanzure | so, dassault sells their cad products with a "try it before you make it" pitch | 11:27 |
| kanzure | i can only think of cfd/fea as a reason why they would want, say, mathematically precise surface models | 11:27 |
| kanzure | and possibly for machining precision and reducing part failure | 11:28 |
| kanzure | the math and parametric capabilities are really useful to users, but it seems to be a byproduct of having deep pockets? | 11:28 |
| kanzure | "Finally, Toyota wanted to base TOGO CAD on technologies developed by other companies, specifically Nihon Unisys for 3D and Matra Datavision for design styling. TOGO Styling, based on technology from Matra Datavision, went into production use last summer." | 11:34 |
| kanzure | "Toyota is also using CAS.CADE, Matra's object-oriented software development platform. Conversely, Matra plans to incorporate some of Toyota's developments into its EUCLID QUANTUM offering." | 11:34 |
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| kanzure | http://www.deelip.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/185.jpg | 12:17 |
| kanzure | why is that so big | 12:17 |
| kanzure | it's a photo of a pre-cnc nc machine in the 70s | 12:17 |
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| kanzure | computational neuroscience news site.. thing http://www.compneuronews.org/ | 18:42 |
| kanzure | looks like a copy of yc.arc or whatever | 18:43 |
| kanzure | oh neat.. citation database http://googlescholar.blogspot.com/2011/11/google-scholar-citations-open-to-all.html | 18:43 |
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| Mokbortolan1 | Howdy folks | 21:10 |
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| kanzure | hi Mokbortolan1 | 21:25 |
| kanzure | nate in oregon.. nope don't know you | 21:25 |
| Mokbortolan1 | Haha | 21:30 |
| Mokbortolan1 | nope, I was reading a thread on emotiv's site and found a reference to this room | 21:31 |
| Stieru_Ridir | is anything interesting happening on emotiv btw? | 21:35 |
| Stieru_Ridir | are you a developer? | 21:35 |
| Stieru_Ridir | *err, someone who uses their software | 21:35 |
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| Mokbortolan1 | I bought a consumer headset | 21:47 |
| Mokbortolan1 | I'm not a developer, but if I like it enough I might give it a go | 21:47 |
| Mokbortolan1 | I'm a systems administrator by trade | 21:47 |
| jrayhawk | condolences | 21:48 |
| Mokbortolan1 | hahaha | 21:48 |
| Mokbortolan1 | no, I like what I do | 21:48 |
| Mokbortolan1 | someone's gotta have a place for all that software to run, right? | 21:49 |
| kanzure | i played around with a headset and wrote some code | 21:51 |
| Mokbortolan1 | Stieru_Ridir: I don't know if anything interesting is going on, besides emokit, which nobody seems to be doing anything with | 21:52 |
| kanzure | but other people ended up doing emokit | 21:52 |
| Mokbortolan1 | I saw the video of the guy who got it running on his n900 | 21:52 |
| kanzure | Mokbortolan1: we're all sysadmins here and we're all planning where to hide your body | 21:52 |
| Mokbortolan1 | that was pretty neat | 21:52 |
| kanzure | we're also planning to steal your n900 | 21:52 |
| Mokbortolan1 | hahaha | 21:52 |
| Mokbortolan1 | I don't have an n900 | 21:52 |
| Mokbortolan1 | I'm considering getting one though | 21:53 |
| kanzure | the hell kinda sysadmin are you? | 21:53 |
| kanzure | ah | 21:53 |
| Mokbortolan1 | the worst kind | 21:53 |
| Mokbortolan1 | a WINDOWS sysadmin | 21:53 |
| jrayhawk | my condolences are no longer ironic | 21:53 |
| * Mokbortolan1 wads up and throws his MCSE at the closest hiring manager. | 21:53 | |
| kanzure | um | 21:53 |
| kanzure | so wait | 21:54 |
| kanzure | your name is mokbor? | 21:54 |
| kanzure | mokbor to lan1? | 21:54 |
| Mokbortolan1 | haha | 21:54 |
| Mokbortolan1 | no, I vary on "mok" and pick different suffixes | 21:54 |
| Mokbortolan1 | I change it to mokbort, remembering "bort" from the simpsons | 21:54 |
| Mokbortolan1 | then that made me think of the poor ortolan | 21:54 |
| jrayhawk | poor, delicious ortolan | 21:55 |
| Mokbortolan1 | and the 1 is because I have 4 IRC-enabled devices | 21:55 |
| Mokbortolan1 | and they overlap sometimes | 21:55 |
| Mokbortolan1 | actually I have.. wait.. | 21:55 |
| Mokbortolan1 | nine | 21:55 |
| Mokbortolan1 | ten | 21:56 |
| kanzure | my utility belt is all smartphones :/ | 21:56 |
| Mokbortolan1 | my kids have original droids | 21:56 |
| kanzure | ew | 21:56 |
| kanzure | so you have kids | 21:56 |
| Mokbortolan1 | oh yeah | 21:56 |
| kanzure | and you do work on windows | 21:56 |
| Mokbortolan1 | 4 and 2.5 | 21:56 |
| kanzure | what sort of terrible person are you | 21:56 |
| * Mokbortolan1 hangs his head in shame. | 21:56 | |
| kanzure | so you're playing with emoti? | 21:57 |
| kanzure | *emotiv | 21:57 |
| Mokbortolan1 | I just got it today | 21:57 |
| Mokbortolan1 | I haven't had a chance to do much else than open it up and look at it | 21:57 |
| Mokbortolan1 | it's a very good build quality | 21:57 |
| Mokbortolan1 | quite pleased with the appearance :p | 21:57 |
| Mokbortolan1 | my plan is to terrorize my children with spirit mountain | 21:59 |
| jrayhawk | you plan to scare your children with a local casino? | 22:00 |
| Mokbortolan1 | emotiv needs to get up off their butts and start handing developer kits out to rockstar developers for free | 22:00 |
| Mokbortolan1 | err, not rockstar the game studio | 22:00 |
| Mokbortolan1 | spirit mountain is a demo game for the emotiv | 22:01 |
| jrayhawk | ah | 22:01 |
| Mokbortolan1 | I also got neuroprogrammer 3 | 22:01 |
| Mokbortolan1 | it interfaces with it for "bio-optimization" | 22:02 |
| jrayhawk | From what I'd seen of their public discussions on their crippleware pricing structure, they're already relying on research/medical users for income and selling it as cheap as they can afford for individuals. | 22:02 |
| Mokbortolan1 | hmm | 22:03 |
| jrayhawk | My guess is that they're positioning themselves to get bought out by a larger company that can credibly market it as a game console accessory. | 22:04 |
| Mokbortolan1 | it's a heck of an accessory | 22:05 |
| Mokbortolan1 | I'm gonna see how well my 4-yo can learn to play Portal with it | 22:06 |
| kanzure | when i was in redwood a few months ago, someone at the house i was staying at had worked at emotiv | 22:08 |
| kanzure | i was so pleased, so i started quizzing her about it | 22:09 |
| kanzure | unfortunately she didn't understand the management's decisions either | 22:09 |
| Mokbortolan1 | management's always screwing up everything | 22:09 |
| kanzure | they're selling the hardware as a loss leader | 22:09 |
| kanzure | and then make money on the sdks | 22:09 |
| kanzure | so when ##hplusroadmap released some software, their investors got cold feet | 22:10 |
| Mokbortolan1 | that's funny | 22:10 |
| Mokbortolan1 | a target market of developers | 22:10 |
| Mokbortolan1 | hahaha | 22:10 |
| Mokbortolan1 | that's exactly how Apple made such a success out of the iPhone | 22:10 |
| Mokbortolan1 | dev kits! | 22:10 |
| jrayhawk | Mokbortolan1: are you a freelance sysadmin, and, if so, what city are you in? | 22:10 |
| kanzure | apple could sell you a pile of shit | 22:10 |
| Mokbortolan1 | I'm a contractor, so yes, I'm in Portland | 22:11 |
| kanzure | hah | 22:11 |
| Mokbortolan1 | !s/yes,/yes. | 22:11 |
| kanzure | joe's gonna come and force you to sign contracts | 22:11 |
| kanzure | if you see a porsche outside your door it's too late | 22:11 |
| Mokbortolan1 | hmm | 22:12 |
| Mokbortolan1 | I don't usually sign the contracts | 22:12 |
| Mokbortolan1 | the people who pay me sign those | 22:12 |
| kanzure | uh what? | 22:12 |
| kanzure | freelancing usually means you sign contracts | 22:12 |
| Mokbortolan1 | hmm | 22:12 |
| jrayhawk | If his contracts are unilateral, there's no reason to. | 22:12 |
| Mokbortolan1 | so far in the last year I've used three contracting agencies | 22:13 |
| kanzure | temp agencies? | 22:13 |
| jrayhawk | Oh, agencies. That makes more sense. | 22:13 |
| Mokbortolan1 | no, contracting agencies | 22:13 |
| Mokbortolan1 | they negotiate the terms and find the gigs | 22:13 |
| Mokbortolan1 | I'm OK with that | 22:13 |
| kanzure | example? | 22:13 |
| kanzure | is this just another way of saying a recruiter? | 22:13 |
| Mokbortolan1 | yes, recruiters call me | 22:13 |
| Mokbortolan1 | I think that's what they're called | 22:14 |
| Mokbortolan1 | I tend to be picky about my engagements though | 22:14 |
| Mokbortolan1 | jrayhawk: why, do you need a windows admin? | 22:16 |
| jrayhawk | Not at the moment, but I always feel bad when I turn down Windows jobs and I like having something to point people at that doesn't cost an arm and a leg. | 22:17 |
| jrayhawk | The use of an agency makes me question the "arm and a leg" part. | 22:17 |
| Mokbortolan1 | I don't have anything against doing 1099 work | 22:17 |
| Mokbortolan1 | although, most of the people that want that sort of work that I've met don't want to may be $75/hr for it :p | 22:18 |
| Mokbortolan1 | pay | 22:18 |
| kanzure | yeh that sounds very low | 22:19 |
| jrayhawk | Kanzure is picky. | 22:19 |
| Mokbortolan1 | for a dev I suppose | 22:21 |
| Mokbortolan1 | I dunno, I'm still early in my career | 22:22 |
| kanzure | oh that's right there's a "totem pole" effect going on here | 22:22 |
| kanzure | "EEs should always be paid more than MEs!" | 22:22 |
| Mokbortolan1 | I thought the deal was the devs billed fewer hours | 22:22 |
| kanzure | why would i do that | 22:22 |
| Mokbortolan1 | I usually take 40hr, 5 day type gigs | 22:22 |
| kanzure | oh i see | 22:23 |
| jrayhawk | Devs do more negotiation. | 22:23 |
| kanzure | well, the deal with freelancing is that if you want to do 70-100 hours a week and get paid market rate for it, you can | 22:23 |
| Mokbortolan1 | right now I'm helping a large health company decom a datacenter | 22:23 |
| kanzure | jrayhawk: i'm really surprised by how few people bother to negotiate | 22:23 |
| kanzure | "14.53 an hour? well ok i guess that's what i'm worth" | 22:24 |
| Mokbortolan1 | americans aren't taught to | 22:24 |
| jrayhawk | I mean negotiate project features. | 22:24 |
| kanzure | oh, that too | 22:24 |
| kanzure | "You want a button? YOU WANT A BUTTON THERE?" | 22:24 |
| kanzure | i know no woman who has negotiated her pay | 22:24 |
| Mokbortolan1 | I get the sense that the people designing things don't bring the programmers in on those phases | 22:24 |
| Mokbortolan1 | and they end up with incorrect expectations | 22:25 |
| kanzure | Mokbortolan1: well, a lot of the work i do is design+coding | 22:25 |
| kanzure | for instance, mobile/web apps | 22:25 |
| Mokbortolan1 | hey! make one for emokit | 22:25 |
| kanzure | er, why? it sucks? | 22:25 |
| Mokbortolan1 | there's python for android | 22:25 |
| kanzure | emokit has a gyroscope which is ok i guess | 22:25 |
| jrayhawk | Does Android have a host USB standard? | 22:25 |
| Mokbortolan1 | yes | 22:26 |
| kanzure | http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/usb/host.html | 22:26 |
| Mokbortolan1 | I have a cheap pandigital tablet that even powers its port | 22:26 |
| jrayhawk | hot damn | 22:26 |
| Mokbortolan1 | still a micro-usb port, but I have an adapter | 22:26 |
| kanzure | verizon is doing an android set top box rollout soon, i hear | 22:26 |
| kanzure | probably one of those "android tv" things.. | 22:26 |
| Mokbortolan1 | oooh, that'd be nice | 22:26 |
| kanzure | roku.. google set top box.. android.. home center thingy | 22:26 |
| kanzure | whatever it was that was shown at the last google io | 22:27 |
| Mokbortolan1 | when more mobile phone support bluetooth 4.0 it'll make it that much easier | 22:27 |
| Mokbortolan1 | I dunno, I don't see the headset as a gaming accessory really, I'm more interested in the neurofeedback possibilities | 22:28 |
| Mokbortolan1 | so my estimation of the market as a game accessory is even more inherently flawed than perhaps a person without that inclination | 22:28 |
| Mokbortolan1 | not everybody sees EEG-assisted meditation as an exciting possibility | 22:30 |
| kanzure | question: have you actually tried the gaussian stuff yet | 22:30 |
| kanzure | i mean the scalp sensor stuff | 22:30 |
| Mokbortolan1 | no, I just opened the box and played with it a bit | 22:30 |
| kanzure | heh | 22:30 |
| Mokbortolan1 | I have to wash dishes :( | 22:30 |
| Mokbortolan1 | my mom's coming over for dinner tomorrow night and it's freaking my wife out, so we're cleaning | 22:31 |
| Mokbortolan1 | terrible timing | 22:31 |
| kanzure | i can't tell what's new in this article http://www.techcentral.co.za/the-quest-to-simulate-the-human-brain/28220/ | 22:31 |
| jrayhawk | are you a nora gedgaudas fan | 22:32 |
| kanzure | me? | 22:32 |
| kanzure | is this a meditation-based new age cult | 22:33 |
| Mokbortolan1 | no no no | 22:33 |
| Mokbortolan1 | nothing like that | 22:33 |
| Mokbortolan1 | my cult is based on psilcybin mushrooms | 22:33 |
| kanzure | go on.. | 22:33 |
| Mokbortolan1 | hahaha | 22:34 |
| Mokbortolan1 | only half-joking | 22:34 |
| Mokbortolan1 | something I've thought about, ritual use of small amounts of psilocybin, but our government frowns on the white man doing such things | 22:34 |
| Mokbortolan1 | it's actually an effective SSRI when taken in non-recreational doses | 22:35 |
| Mokbortolan1 | but that's more of an "after the apocalypse" type of idea | 22:36 |
| Mokbortolan1 | probably because I read "Island" | 22:37 |
| kanzure | do you know what this channel is about | 22:37 |
| Mokbortolan1 | that is, huxley's Island | 22:37 |
| kanzure | oh i guess the /topic doesn't have anything explicitly transhumanist anymore | 22:37 |
| kanzure | damn | 22:37 |
| kanzure | i should fix that.. hrm | 22:38 |
| Mokbortolan1 | no idea, really | 22:38 |
| Mokbortolan1 | h+ perhaps, enhanced human | 22:38 |
| Mokbortolan1 | roadmap being the discussion of how to reach such a thing | 22:38 |
| kanzure | we pig out on nootropics and diybio equipment and stuff | 22:38 |
| Mokbortolan1 | oh nice | 22:38 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/longevity/ | 22:38 |
| Mokbortolan1 | I just bought 28kg of piracetam | 22:38 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/stem-cells/ | 22:38 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/neuro/ | 22:38 |
| Stieru_Ridir | jesus, what | 22:39 |
| Stieru_Ridir | 28kg? | 22:39 |
| Mokbortolan1 | yeah | 22:39 |
| kanzure | mg? | 22:39 |
| Stieru_Ridir | I'd been looking at starting a noot company for a while | 22:39 |
| Mokbortolan1 | I'm planning on getting 1kg of noopept in a few weeks | 22:39 |
| Stieru_Ridir | but waiting on FDA regs :-/ | 22:39 |
| Mokbortolan1 | the FDA can get bent | 22:39 |
| kanzure | Stieru_Ridir: http://drugstack.com/ is a little project of mine | 22:39 |
| kanzure | i'm scraping nootropic vendor sites | 22:39 |
| kanzure | and should turn on a search engine interface thinger | 22:39 |
| Mokbortolan1 | my horribly unprofessional site is here: http://pureacetam.com | 22:40 |
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| Mokbortolan1 | if you'd like a perfect example the ways in which I am not a web developer, there it is | 22:40 |
| jrayhawk | bahaha | 22:40 |
| Mokbortolan1 | of | 22:40 |
| kanzure | i can tell you're not because you're using wordpress | 22:40 |
| kanzure | oh you got the coa doc, neat | 22:40 |
| Mokbortolan1 | a step up from notepad | 22:40 |
| Mokbortolan1 | that's just from the supplier | 22:41 |
| kanzure | you're in another channel i'm in | 22:41 |
| Mokbortolan1 | I'm getting it independently tested in two weeks or so | 22:41 |
| Mokbortolan1 | which one's that | 22:41 |
| Stieru_Ridir | Mokbortolan1: are you reselling? | 22:41 |
| kanzure | #reddit-nootropics | 22:41 |
| Mokbortolan1 | hahaha | 22:41 |
| Mokbortolan1 | yeah, I'm the op there | 22:41 |
| Mokbortolan1 | the only op | 22:41 |
| kanzure | oh shit | 22:41 |
| Stieru_Ridir | haha | 22:41 |
| Stieru_Ridir | I was in there for a while | 22:41 |
| Mokbortolan1 | I haven't bothered to add anybody else | 22:41 |
| Mokbortolan1 | it's very quiet | 22:41 |
| Stieru_Ridir | you may recognize this from a while back /nick Noomix | 22:41 |
| Stieru_Ridir | welp | 22:41 |
| -!- Stieru_Ridir is now known as Noomix | 22:42 | |
| Mokbortolan1 | no, sorry | 22:42 |
| Mokbortolan1 | I stopped going for a month or two while I was really busy | 22:42 |
| -!- Noomix is now known as Steel` | 22:42 | |
| Steel` | eh | 22:42 |
| Mokbortolan1 | and also it's very quiet in there | 22:42 |
| Steel` | I was working on starting a noot company that let you mix your own shit | 22:42 |
| Steel` | on the site | 22:42 |
| Mokbortolan1 | it's picked up a bit lately | 22:42 |
| Mokbortolan1 | I had the same thought! | 22:42 |
| Steel` | took some survey data with /r/nootropics as my main source | 22:42 |
| kanzure | Steel`: there's one that does that.. | 22:42 |
| Mokbortolan1 | only, I didn't want to be painted with the "supplement" brush | 22:42 |
| Steel` | who? | 22:42 |
| kanzure | um, um, let me look it up | 22:42 |
| Steel` | FDA is currently working on requiring a NEW permission for any supplements that have an ingredient change | 22:43 |
| Steel` | not just new ingredients | 22:43 |
| Steel` | so the plan got shelved | 22:43 |
| kanzure | https://www.customcapsule.com/index.html | 22:43 |
| kanzure | i've heard mixed things about them | 22:43 |
| kanzure | get it.. mixed.. things | 22:44 |
| kanzure | you guys suck :( | 22:44 |
| Steel` | haha, holy shit | 22:44 |
| Steel` | these guys are a massive ripoff | 22:44 |
| Steel` | lemme double check my math | 22:45 |
| kanzure | they outsource it all to some 'lab' or whatever | 22:45 |
| kanzure | i'm pretty sure this is just some affiliate marketer | 22:45 |
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| kanzure | Mokbortolan1: so if you have thoughts about drugstack, i'd love to hear them | 22:47 |
| kanzure | i was thinking: product comparison (price shopping) (this is why i've been writing scrapers), | 22:47 |
| Mokbortolan1 | drugstack? | 22:47 |
| kanzure | and maybe recommendations | 22:47 |
| kanzure | http://drugstack.com/ | 22:47 |
| kanzure | i don't know | 22:48 |
| kanzure | i was thinking of reselling my scraped data to vendors | 22:48 |
| Steel` | actually, shit, these guys do have moderately unterrible prices | 22:48 |
| Steel` | but their marketing is shit, I'd never seen them before | 22:48 |
| kanzure | man i wonder where my industrial robot is | 23:07 |
| Steel` | ? | 23:10 |
| Mokbortolan1 | enslaved in a chinese factory | 23:14 |
| kanzure | no i mean i had one | 23:15 |
| kanzure | it was on someone's truck a year ago | 23:15 |
| kanzure | don't know where it is | 23:15 |
| Mokbortolan1 | well | 23:15 |
| Mokbortolan1 | at least someone isn't sending you polaroids of the industrial robot at various tourist spots | 23:15 |
| Mokbortolan1 | or maybe you'd prefer that, I dunno | 23:17 |
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