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| tarcieri | we were targeting people... probably like yourself | 00:00 |
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| kanzure | foucist: honestly, i prefer phonegap | 11:28 |
| kanzure | tarcieri: was it nitobi? | 11:28 |
| kanzure | mulberry? webmynd | 11:28 |
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| tarcieri | kanzure: Strobe | 16:26 |
| tarcieri | kanzure: Phonegap was a nice attempt, but really, it's just baaaaaad :/ | 16:28 |
| tarcieri | particularly gap URLs | 16:28 |
| tarcieri | changing window.location in UIWebView can have deleterious effects | 16:28 |
| tarcieri | and you can achieve the same thing through other types of navigation | 16:29 |
| tarcieri | (same thing being intercepting navigation events at the ObjC level so you can make them do native stuff) | 16:29 |
| kanzure | erm, you shouldn't change window.location in phonegap | 16:31 |
| tarcieri | it does it for you | 16:31 |
| kanzure | no really, in phonegap you should just use a single html file | 16:32 |
| tarcieri | yes | 16:32 |
| tarcieri | Phonegap executes native calls through gap:// URLs | 16:32 |
| kanzure | you must be talking about ios | 16:32 |
| tarcieri | no? o_O | 16:32 |
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| tarcieri | Phonegap intercepts gap:// URLs via UIWebViewDelegate | 16:32 |
| tarcieri | well | 16:33 |
| tarcieri | yes, I'm talking about how Phonegap works on iOS | 16:33 |
| tarcieri | it's kind of an important platform when it comes to mobile | 16:33 |
| kanzure | this seems like a crummy way to implement javascript callbacks | 16:33 |
| tarcieri | it really is | 16:33 |
| kanzure | i'm pretty sure phonegap-android is different | 16:34 |
| tarcieri | if I were to try to go get VC funding for a Phonegap competitor, which I'm definitely NOT going to do | 16:34 |
| tarcieri | heh | 16:34 |
| tarcieri | I'd either: use UIWebView on iOS and Chromium on Android | 16:34 |
| tarcieri | or Chromium on both :/ | 16:34 |
| tarcieri | also hooray, Android's mobile browser will no longer suck! | 16:34 |
| kanzure | i'd go as far as saying 'ship a webkit-browser with phonegap-ios if you have to' just to not use ios url schemas | 16:34 |
| tarcieri | yeah exactly | 16:34 |
| foucist | kanzure: what platforms are you targetting with phonegap? | 16:35 |
| tarcieri | get Chromium building on iOS | 16:35 |
| kanzure | foucist: iphone and android primarily.. :/ | 16:35 |
| tarcieri | then implement your own JS-to-native bridge any way you want | 16:35 |
| tarcieri | because you own the browser | 16:35 |
| tarcieri | it's too bad W3C Widgets never took off :( | 16:36 |
| kanzure | so, i don't think i've worked with strobe | 16:36 |
| tarcieri | Strobe is defunct now | 16:36 |
| tarcieri | it still works if you want to check it out | 16:36 |
| kanzure | facebook acquisition? | 16:36 |
| tarcieri | yeah | 16:36 |
| kanzure | yeah i'd like to look | 16:36 |
| kanzure | it's still a little weird that adobe acquired nitobi | 16:37 |
| tarcieri | I assume it's an acqi-hire situation | 16:37 |
| tarcieri | just like Strobe :/ | 16:37 |
| tarcieri | don't tell anyone I said that! | 16:37 |
| tarcieri | strobe.com lets you "strobe deploy" the same way you would "git push" | 16:38 |
| tarcieri | err | 16:38 |
| tarcieri | strobecorp.com | 16:38 |
| tarcieri | heh | 16:38 |
| tarcieri | after that it has a fully automated phonegap build process | 16:38 |
| kanzure | i was working on something i called phonegaptor, | 16:38 |
| tarcieri | you add the platforms you want and strobe will automatically build apps for all the platforms (via phonegap.com) | 16:38 |
| kanzure | it was basically like rails scaffolds except for phonegap | 16:39 |
| tarcieri | then they're made available as downloads | 16:39 |
| kanzure | well, except for phonegap + backbone + xui | 16:39 |
| tarcieri | kanzure: have you seen ember.js/SproutCore? | 16:39 |
| kanzure | so it would spit out the default templates, models, views, etc. | 16:39 |
| kanzure | i haven't played with sproutcore yet, no | 16:39 |
| tarcieri | don't play with sproutcore, play with ember :) | 16:39 |
| tarcieri | ember is SproutCore 2.0 renamed | 16:39 |
| tarcieri | the main difference is ember keeps all the state client-side | 16:39 |
| nsh | HOLY SPHERE EVERSION, BATMAN -- IT'S CONVERSATION! | 16:39 |
| tarcieri | you create data bindings, computed properties, templates | 16:40 |
| tarcieri | these are used to construct the DOM | 16:40 |
| tarcieri | when you update a data binding, it updates all the places it's used in the document | 16:40 |
| kanzure | sure.. | 16:40 |
| kanzure | okay | 16:40 |
| tarcieri | it will automatically rerender templates as needed | 16:40 |
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| tarcieri | you can use the templating language independently of ember too | 16:40 |
| tarcieri | http://www.handlebarsjs.com/ | 16:40 |
| tarcieri | it's kind of like mustache on steroids, or something :) | 16:41 |
| kanzure | how'd you end up in here? | 16:41 |
| tarcieri | 16:41 | |
| tarcieri | lol | 16:41 |
| tarcieri | immortalism, transhumanism, singularity, eternal life and shit hurrah! now I'm going to go smoke a cigarette | 16:42 |
| kanzure | righto. reddit. | 16:42 |
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| Mokbortolan | Whoo! | 18:37 |
| kanzure | hi Mokbortolan | 18:38 |
| Mokbortolan | howdy | 18:42 |
| * Mokbortolan makes grilled cheese sandwiches. | 18:42 | |
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