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| archels | I strongly object to this cartoon -> http://abstrusegoose.com/ | 00:19 |
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| sylph_mako | Oh well I shant view it then. | 00:29 |
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| Lucas__ | Good morning | 03:17 |
| Lucas__ | how is Open COG moving along? | 03:17 |
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| foucist | no COG people in here | 04:59 |
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| Moktato | Good morning | 08:55 |
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| kanzure | what is cog in this context? | 10:17 |
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| Moktato | it's sort of like a sprocket | 10:36 |
| kanzure | the context is like a sprocket? | 10:42 |
| kanzure | "Cheetah from the 1930's B&W Tarzan movies has died at age 80 of kidney failure today" | 10:42 |
| Moktato | I prefer Spacely's Sprockets | 10:57 |
| Moktato | they have a nice firm texture and crunch that you just don't get from Cogsley's Cogs | 10:57 |
| kanzure | hmm, so what is the class of security scheme where you have a device (like a smartphone) rendering your qr code, and have your other computer scan the code to log you into something | 10:59 |
| kanzure | where the qr code is possibly a one-time use deal, or re-generated based on some other key | 10:59 |
| kanzure | i guess you can encode a public key in the qr code | 10:59 |
| Moktato | sounds like google's 2-factor auth | 11:00 |
| Moktato | if it used QR codes and the camera on your laptop :p | 11:00 |
| kanzure | http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/ntsco/i_am_salman_khan_founder_of_khan_academyama/ | 11:01 |
| kanzure | Moktato: right | 11:01 |
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| * Moktato needs to learn more about electronics. | 12:48 | |
| * Moktato digs around for his one-time-use copy of Dean's Electronics. | 12:48 | |
| Moktato | how hard d'ye think it'd be to rig up a cheap dollar-store FM radio to run a couple of LEDs? | 12:50 |
| kanzure | <$30 | 12:52 |
| strages_ | as in powered from the radio waves? | 12:59 |
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| Moktato | no, such that the LED shines when a strong enough signal is received | 12:59 |
| Moktato | was thinking of a way to make wireless audiostrobe glasses | 13:00 |
| Moktato | combining an FM transmitter and FM receiver | 13:00 |
| Moktato | and maybe a diode in there somewhere to snip out everything below 19.5khz or whatever that frequency is | 13:01 |
| Moktato | or maybe use the FM signal into a transistor circuit that controls the LEDs | 13:03 |
| strages_ | you want and led field strength meter then? | 13:08 |
| Moktato | yes, tuned to a specific frequency | 13:10 |
| Moktato | so, listening TO a specific frequency, FOR a specific frequency | 13:10 |
| Moktato | RF -> Audio | 13:11 |
| strages_ | something like this then http://tinkerlog.com/2007/05/20/cheap-sound-sensor-for-avr/ | 13:17 |
| Moktato | kanzure: this what you were talking about earlier? http://blog.self.li/post/14864315302/qr-login#disqus_thread | 13:17 |
| Moktato | strages_: yes, that looks like it | 13:18 |
| * Moktato reads. | 13:18 | |
| strages_ | also this http://www.scary-terry.com/more_stuff/tonedet/tonedet.htm | 13:18 |
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| strages_ | Moktato: are you making a sort of civiization detector? if radio frequency present, is there audio above pink/white noise?, light LED | 13:27 |
| strages_ | if the light goes out, you know something's gone wrong | 13:27 |
| eudoxia | can't tell if that's serious | 13:27 |
| strages_ | tiny beacon telling you everything is alright | 13:28 |
| eudoxia | what if civilization decides radio is too noisy and switch to laser? | 13:29 |
| strages_ | then obviously it wouldn't work | 13:30 |
| strages_ | lasers being highly directional and all | 13:30 |
| eudoxia | how sad | 13:30 |
| strages_ | eudoxia: how would you go a civilization detector in a society that uses lasers? | 13:31 |
| strages_ | instead of radio | 13:31 |
| eudoxia | a rover that scouts the outside of my bunker | 13:31 |
| strages_ | *do | 13:31 |
| eudoxia | looking for heat sources, computers, that kinda shit | 13:32 |
| strages_ | EMP took out your rover, and all other complex electronics | 13:33 |
| eudoxia | well that's unfair | 13:33 |
| strages_ | it's within reason, as was your society of laser using audiophiles | 13:33 |
| eudoxia | maybe some kind of blimp whose surface is studded with laser detectors | 13:34 |
| eudoxia | powered by less-than-complex electronics | 13:34 |
| strages_ | detecting lasers is very difficult if your're outside of major population points. try for something else | 13:35 |
| strages_ | you have no radio and lasers are far too directional. what else do you have to work with? | 13:36 |
| eudoxia | i'm thinking dammit | 13:36 |
| eudoxia | heat? | 13:37 |
| strages_ | you'd have to be pretty high up... | 13:38 |
| eudoxia | if it's Sufficiently Advanced, they may not produce easily detectable chemical waste | 13:39 |
| eudoxia | but they'll always produce some waste heat, from industrial centers or computation | 13:39 |
| eudoxia | how about space activity? | 13:41 |
| Moktato | strages_: wireless audiostrobe | 13:41 |
| eudoxia | a little domed infrared telescope could find artificial heat sources in space, no? | 13:42 |
| strages_ | eudoxia: perhaps | 13:43 |
| Moktato | they might also change isotope ratios in the atmosphere | 13:44 |
| kanzure | the atmosphere of earth masks a lot of the activity on the surface | 14:14 |
| kanzure | so they are going to release stratfor emails? | 14:18 |
| kanzure | http://pastebin.com/WPE73rhy | 14:18 |
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| JayDugger | Good evening, everyone. | 19:11 |
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| kanzure | good news, everyone | 19:12 |
| JayDugger | ? | 19:12 |
| kanzure | nope i just wanted to say that | 19:13 |
| JayDugger | The new release of skdb only needs dirt and sunlight to make a nuclear pulse charge? | 19:13 |
| JayDugger | Damnit! | 19:13 |
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| kanzure | man i'm glad to see someone arguing the monoculture point against lesswrong | 19:20 |
| kanzure | http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3399827 | 19:20 |
| kanzure | *to see someone (that isn't me) | 19:20 |
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| kanzure | strange web app vulnerability by POSTing multiple colliding keys http://www.nruns.com/_downloads/advisory28122011.pdf | 19:28 |
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| sylph_mako | It's troubling. I think we might have to make a concerted effort to divide. | 20:11 |
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| strangewarp | I would love to see LessWrong try to divide into different-flavored factions in any meaningful way | 20:40 |
| kanzure | i say just ignore them | 20:41 |
| strangewarp | It would be worth it, if just for the inevitable Voltron analogy | 20:42 |
| * Mokbortolan plays with Mind Workstation. | 20:45 | |
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| Mokbortolan | well that's disappointing | 21:42 |
| Mokbortolan | my daughter's head didn't fit the epoc | 21:42 |
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| Steel_ | so what's going on at lw? | 22:29 |
| kanzure | no no i said *ignore* it | 22:29 |
| Mokbortolan | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6Sawj0HyF0 | 22:30 |
| Steel_ | but I like drama :( | 22:30 |
| Steel_ | especially I'm interested in how a rationalist community might splinter | 22:34 |
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| kanzure | jrayhawk: maybe there's a way to convince them to apply rationality to strategies for practical transhumanism, instead of extinction rationalization | 22:53 |
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| sylph_mako | Oh this sounds interesting. | 22:57 |
| jrayhawk | that sounds like a terrible idea | 23:04 |
| kanzure | they will commit mass suicide when they realize they would be a morally corrupt ai? | 23:05 |
| jrayhawk | do you really think the h+ community needs more ineffectual deliberation and prognostication | 23:09 |
| kanzure | no. i suppose not. | 23:10 |
| kanzure | friend of mine is setting up this rails bootcamp. students pay $15k for a few weeks of training. | 23:10 |
| kanzure | apparently the seats are being sold very quickly | 23:10 |
| Steel_ | I don't know that the h+ community needs more programmers right now | 23:10 |
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| kanzure | there's hardly any? | 23:14 |
| kanzure | definitely needs more mechanical engineers, lab equipmenteers, experimentalists, hackers | 23:15 |
| Steel_ | eh, it honestly needs electrical engineers more than mechanical engineers | 23:15 |
| kanzure | are you one of those "EEs > MEs" totem pole people | 23:16 |
| kanzure | just wondering | 23:16 |
| Steel_ | I'm one of those 'the education that an EE receives is currently more employable and relevant than the education that an ME receives' people | 23:17 |
| Steel_ | (as an ME) | 23:17 |
| kanzure | or do you have particular analog electronics projects that are currently going unbuilt | 23:17 |
| Steel_ | I'm a ME, dude | 23:17 |
| kanzure | let's not talk about employability | 23:17 |
| kanzure | employability is just a made up term to mean "I don't want to go raise funds to build this shit on my own" | 23:17 |
| kanzure | or "i'm poor and/or don't have enough money to finance this myself" | 23:17 |
| Steel_ | or if you want to get into an executive position so that in 20 years we have major corporations doing this stuff | 23:18 |
| Steel_ | *shrug* | 23:18 |
| Steel_ | I'm a better manager than engineer, and what's more, I enjoy corporate strategy a lot | 23:18 |
| Steel_ | regardless | 23:18 |
| kanzure | this isn't an interview man :) | 23:18 |
| Steel_ | EEs (assuming a generic undergraduate education, not a masters) | 23:18 |
| Steel_ | are more important than MEs | 23:18 |
| Steel_ | for h+ stuff | 23:18 |
| kanzure | so again, what specific projects though? | 23:19 |
| Steel_ | I'm not currently working on any engineering projects outside my thesis, though there's a possibility of a desktop SLA setup | 23:19 |
| kanzure | in general i find that most MEs worth their salt can stomp through horowitz or any other analog study material (same with EEs of course; it's just some course specialization really) | 23:19 |
| kanzure | ok but again, why do you claim that EEs are more needed | 23:20 |
| Steel_ | signal analysis, device building, understanding of code, electric circuit design, complex circuit stuff | 23:20 |
| Steel_ | all way more important than the shit MEs learn imo | 23:20 |
| kanzure | "complex circuit stuff" is a little vague, but it's mostly a bunch of graph theory and math | 23:21 |
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