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| dopklop | good evening | 00:41 |
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| dopklop | this is a transhumanism channel? | 00:42 |
| @kanzure | yep | 00:53 |
| @kanzure | dopklop: what's up? | 00:53 |
| dopklop | just saw a link to this channel on reddit and was wondering why its named #hplusroadmap | 00:58 |
| dopklop | are people here working on a roadmap? | 00:58 |
| @kanzure | well, yes | 00:59 |
| @kanzure | there was a transhumanist technical roadmap | 00:59 |
| @kanzure | some combination of do-it-yourself biohacking and other projects | 01:00 |
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| dopklop | *was* a roadmap? | 01:02 |
| dopklop | is it current? | 01:02 |
| kanzure | nope | 01:02 |
| kanzure | i've been busy being busy | 01:02 |
| kanzure | and we're all too lazy to change the channel name | 01:02 |
| dopklop | I cannot help but think governments would hate the idea of citizens biohacking | 01:03 |
| kanzure | yeh, the fbi has had me (and others of us) in as consultants on .. policy issues | 01:03 |
| dopklop | biohackers might go the way of Iranian nuclear scientists | 01:04 |
| kanzure | the two primary fbi peeps assigned to us are agent edward you (yes, agent you) and agent nathan head.. | 01:04 |
| kanzure | http://bit.ly/diybionews2 | 01:04 |
| dopklop | great link, thanks! | 01:05 |
| foucist | agent you give yourself great agent head! | 01:12 |
| kanzure | http://web.archive.org/web/20080708235522/http://www.fbi.gov/hq/nsb/wmd/images/hrtppe.jpg | 01:13 |
| dopklop | What is that, zombie apocalypse cosplay? | 01:15 |
| kanzure | that image used to be on their 'bioterrorism task force' webpage | 01:15 |
| kanzure | dopklop: http://www.amazon.com/Biopunk-Scientists-Hack-Software-Life/dp/1617230022 | 01:16 |
| dopklop | just wait till biohackers violate some corporations IP. They'll lobby to outlaw and criminalize it :( | 01:22 |
| kanzure | ah, but then only the outlaws will know biology.. | 01:23 |
| dopklop | we're all outlaws in the eyes of a good government proesecuter | 01:24 |
| kanzure | alright, i need to sleep | 01:26 |
| kanzure | good night | 01:26 |
| dopklop | night | 01:27 |
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| kanzure | oh god :( http://test.humanityplus.org/ | 12:01 |
| ybit | what about it? | 12:04 |
| kanzure | ybit: http://test.humanityplus.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/PeopleMosaic_with-text.png | 12:04 |
| kanzure | that's what's wrong with it. | 12:05 |
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| ybit | hah, yeah... | 12:05 |
| ybit | de grey and goertzel seem to be doing things | 12:06 |
| ybit | i mihgt be wrong | 12:06 |
| kanzure | goertzel's busy ostricizing me or something | 12:06 |
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| ybit | hrm, why? | 12:07 |
| ybit | legal stuff? | 12:07 |
| kanzure | yeah.. | 12:07 |
| kanzure | whatever :P | 12:07 |
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| kanzure | hah "I was writing this more in the sense that kids at BioCurious (and the DIY Bio Movement in general) are doing electrophoresis to transfer DNA from glowing jellyfish to bacteria. This is just a few (two?) years after someone got a Nobel prize for that." | 12:08 |
| kanzure | that's a little unfair- the noble prize process can be very slow sometimes | 12:08 |
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| delinquentme | the nobel prize was also given to obama | 12:12 |
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| ybit | kanzure: if you are no longer associted with h+, why are you still listed here: http://humanityplus.org/projects/gadaprize/ | 12:14 |
| ybit | "Questions and comments should be directed to Bryan Bishop <kanzure@gmail.com> (Asst. Director of R&D, Humanity+) or by phone at +1-512-203-0507." | 12:14 |
| kanzure | because they don't know how to edit websites | 12:15 |
| kanzure | it's been like that for almost a year | 12:15 |
| delinquentme | @_@ | 12:15 |
| delinquentme | who doesnt know how to website?? | 12:15 |
| kanzure | the people at humanity+ | 12:15 |
| delinquentme | my 15 year old brother does SQL injections | 12:15 |
| ybit | yeah, now that i think of it, this has been brought up before | 12:15 |
| delinquentme | they're not .. advancing ? | 12:15 |
| kanzure | delinquentme: you have no idea how fucked up they are | 12:15 |
| kanzure | they are all talk | 12:16 |
| kanzure | btw, i'd like to meet your brother | 12:16 |
| delinquentme | well sometimes talking is ok | 12:16 |
| delinquentme | its better than doing nothing | 12:16 |
| delinquentme | but doing sheet is le gosu | 12:16 |
| * delinquentme sees what he did there | 12:16 | |
| kanzure | delinquentme: these are people who have been in the "transhumanist community" for 30+ years and still haven't bothered to learn molecular biology | 12:16 |
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| Urchin | humanity+ draws a lot of members from philosophers and such, who are predictably not good in computer stuff | 12:22 |
| Urchin | I've seen some poets in my time there | 12:22 |
| Urchin | I'd say technical competence is not a norm there | 12:23 |
| kanzure | i tried to inject some technical projects into their organization | 12:23 |
| kanzure | so that's how gadaprize.org happened.. | 12:23 |
| kanzure | but yeah, it's just not worth it | 12:23 |
| Urchin | I've been mostly absent from the transhumanist movement for a few years now | 12:25 |
| kanzure | Urchin: do you have an skills/background? | 12:25 |
| Urchin | I'm a physics student | 12:25 |
| Urchin | with some computer science education | 12:25 |
| kanzure | Urchin: have you caught up with diybio? | 12:25 |
| kanzure | http://bit.ly/diybionews2 | 12:26 |
| Urchin | I know it exists, and has made ground in the time that I was absent | 12:26 |
| kanzure | http://groups.google.com/group/diybio | 12:26 |
| Urchin | but I'm not particularly interested | 12:26 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/longevity/ | 12:26 |
| kanzure | ah i see | 12:26 |
| kanzure | and what's your interest in transhumanism then? | 12:26 |
| Urchin | I was looking at nanotech when I was really enthusiastic | 12:26 |
| kanzure | Urchin: did you see that i acquired the cvs repository for nanoengineer? | 12:27 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/cgit/nanoengineer | 12:27 |
| kanzure | http://groups.google.com/group/nanoengineer-dev | 12:27 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/nanotech/ | 12:27 |
| kanzure | i figured it was better than letting nanorex die a quiet death | 12:27 |
| Urchin | it's a fork of nanorex? | 12:28 |
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| Urchin | like I said, I'm not current in what's happening | 12:29 |
| kanzure | nanorex was a company that was developing nanoengineer | 12:29 |
| kanzure | but then mark decided to close nanorex | 12:30 |
| kanzure | nanoengineer was "open source" but not the code repository | 12:30 |
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| Urchin | well, great that you kept it alive | 12:32 |
| Urchin | I was recently wondering what happened to that project, though I forgot it's name | 12:35 |
| kanzure | maybe you will contribute patches/commits | 12:37 |
| Urchin | perhaps, if I get into it | 12:38 |
| Urchin | or when I get into it | 12:38 |
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| Urchin | it's written in C? | 12:41 |
| kanzure | python | 12:41 |
| kanzure | mostly python | 12:41 |
| Urchin | I can live with that combination | 12:42 |
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| Urchin | now to wait for omega to get to his client | 12:47 |
| Urchin | lol, now that you mention it, my own chapter's website is in old dated html and hasn't been updated in years | 12:50 |
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| kanzure | hi hasp | 12:51 |
| Hasp | Hello | 12:52 |
| Urchin | and that was a typo fix | 12:52 |
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| Hasp | How's it going? | 12:52 |
| Urchin | the last update I mean | 12:52 |
| Urchin | I just realized how ancient the website for my chapter of humanity+ really is | 12:53 |
| kanzure | html4.1 heck yeah | 12:53 |
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| kanzure | leading butt of technology | 12:53 |
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| Urchin | it even features a blurry WTA logo, lol | 12:54 |
| Urchin | I mean, look at it: http://transhumanizam.fizika.org | 12:54 |
| kanzure | haha .jpg | 12:54 |
| Hasp | Haha it looks like it's been there for a little while | 12:55 |
| kanzure | and your forum links to... http://www.phpbbplanet.com/ | 12:55 |
| kanzure | i'm not impressed | 12:55 |
| Urchin | it was made in 2007, with a typo fix in 2009 | 12:56 |
| Urchin | lol | 12:56 |
| Hasp | lol | 12:57 |
| kanzure | Hasp: what brings you around here? | 12:57 |
| ybit | ideas for making money with a reprap? | 12:57 |
| Hasp | Kanzure, an interest in transhumanism. Looking to get my feet wet with amateur biology | 12:57 |
| Urchin | links are in the sorryest state | 12:57 |
| kanzure | Hasp: alright, cool | 12:59 |
| kanzure | Hasp: do you have any biology training | 12:59 |
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| Hasp | Kanzure: I wish. I'm a highschool student who knows a bit about comp sci, but I haven't had the chance to get further into bio | 13:00 |
| kanzure | um.. why are you in high school? | 13:00 |
| kanzure | that's a very peculiar life choice | 13:00 |
| Hasp | What do you mean? | 13:01 |
| kanzure | it's just not that useful if you're actually interested in amateur biology or comp sci | 13:01 |
| kanzure | they rarely tend to have somenoe around that knows about either of those things; rarely both | 13:01 |
| kanzure | *even more rarely both | 13:01 |
| Hasp | Well, dropping out of school certainly wouldn't help | 13:02 |
| kanzure | uh | 13:02 |
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| kanzure | well anyway, let's overlook that | 13:02 |
| Urchin | lol | 13:02 |
| kanzure | Hasp: what sort of compsci do you know | 13:02 |
| Hasp | You're suggesting I don't graduate? : P | 13:02 |
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| kanzure | if you really value a high school diploma, GEDs are pretty easy to grab | 13:03 |
| kanzure | but honestly, nobody has ever asked to see whether or not i have a diploma from a high school | 13:03 |
| Hasp | Going onto college certainly helps, though | 13:03 |
| kanzure | only if you want to get a college degree, | 13:03 |
| kanzure | they can't really stop you from registering for classes | 13:03 |
| kanzure | just like any other adult | 13:03 |
| Hasp | I would like a college degree, though | 13:04 |
| kanzure | but yeah, what sorta compsci stuff do you know | 13:04 |
| Hasp | Scripting, and I'm learning robotics programming at the moment as well | 13:04 |
| kanzure | what sorta scripting if i may sk | 13:05 |
| kanzure | *ask | 13:05 |
| Hasp | Which language or for what purpose? | 13:05 |
| kanzure | tools, and i guess whatever you've built :) | 13:05 |
| kanzure | yeah | 13:06 |
| Hasp | For robotics I'm using C/C++, for my general scripting I use Perl | 13:07 |
| kanzure | ah okay. cool. | 13:07 |
| kanzure | there's some amateur biology stuff people have contributed to CPAN | 13:07 |
| Urchin | perl is used by biologists a lot | 13:07 |
| kanzure | from the diybio group.. let's see.. | 13:07 |
| kanzure | http://search.cpan.org/~jcline/Robotics-0.23/ | 13:07 |
| Hasp | Sweet. I've been checking out the BioPerl page too | 13:07 |
| kanzure | bioperl is more about bioinformatics | 13:07 |
| Hasp | Ah, I'll have a look | 13:08 |
| kanzure | this is for lab automation ;) | 13:08 |
| Hasp | Excellent! Thank you | 13:08 |
| kanzure | delinquentme can also rant about his liquid handling robot he built | 13:08 |
| Hasp | I'd love to hear about it | 13:08 |
| kanzure | delinquentme: test test | 13:08 |
| delinquentme | true @ urchin | 13:09 |
| delinquentme | reading the thread :D | 13:09 |
| delinquentme | jcline is a good dude | 13:09 |
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| delinquentme | yeah Hasp this is a cool place .. have a robot! https://github.com/delinquentme/LH002/raw/master/images/LH002_full_01.png | 13:10 |
| Hasp | Oooh... purdy | 13:10 |
| delinquentme | Oh and this is VERY VERY sexy: http://www.zdnet.com/blog/emergingtech/robotic-surgeons-get-open-source-boost/3101 | 13:11 |
| delinquentme | they've actually got it prototyped and everything | 13:11 |
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| delinquentme | and right now I'm bugtesting some BioPython code via modEncodes API | 13:12 |
| delinquentme | #hot | 13:12 |
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| Hasp | *clap* | 13:13 |
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| delinquentme | Hasp but yeah welcome to the future we're building things | 13:14 |
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| delinquentme | You got things you're interested in working on? | 13:14 |
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| kanzure | delinquentme: he seems to have some python/c skill, so we could probably throw him at ..something | 13:15 |
| delinquentme | Umm i second kanzure's statement about college but finishing highschool might be OK | 13:15 |
| delinquentme | well what does he want to do | 13:16 |
| delinquentme | PS did i mention that Pitt has an Anton cluster kanzure ? | 13:16 |
| Hasp | Biochem, most likely | 13:16 |
| delinquentme | found out about it ... they keep this shit really locked down .. wont even respond to my emails | 13:16 |
| delinquentme | Hasp, good focus | 13:16 |
| delinquentme | Biochem and programming = hotness for sure | 13:16 |
| Hasp | I was thinking Biochem major, comp sci minor | 13:17 |
| kanzure | why are you getting a degree? | 13:17 |
| delinquentme | like | 13:18 |
| delinquentme | school isnt bad | 13:18 |
| delinquentme | but if you dont want to spend the cash you dont have to | 13:18 |
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| kanzure | Hasp: if it's to get a job, you should just get an internship during your first or second semester, use that and call it quits on college | 13:18 |
| delinquentme | disclaimer: it might also ruin your love of science | 13:18 |
| kanzure | delinquentme: and most of the time, high school students don't have that cash anyway | 13:19 |
| Hasp | So I can continue to higher education. The reason for that is twofold: personally that I love learning, practically that it will allow higher positions in employment | 13:19 |
| delinquentme | umm | 13:19 |
| kanzure | ok, so if you just want employment then you should go do an internship asap | 13:19 |
| delinquentme | it DID | 13:19 |
| Hasp | Well, I sort of "cheat" in that I come from a well-off family | 13:19 |
| delinquentme | for your parents yes | 13:19 |
| kanzure | degrees don't mean much anymore | 13:19 |
| delinquentme | but you're not getting a job in anything high right off the bat | 13:19 |
| Hasp | I've been looking for internships | 13:19 |
| delinquentme | and better yet you can get someone ELSE to pay for your college | 13:19 |
| kanzure | except maybe programming | 13:19 |
| delinquentme | esp if you're @ and edu inst | 13:19 |
| kanzure | anyway, | 13:20 |
| delinquentme | you can go the route of college and only use it so you can ask profs questions | 13:20 |
| kanzure | consider spending cash on your projects instead | 13:20 |
| kanzure | (especially if you're careful about the project scope) | 13:21 |
| Hasp | I live near Cambrige, so there are a lot of businesses which snipe college students | 13:21 |
| kanzure | Hasp: what sort of projects would be interested in doing in amateur biology? | 13:22 |
| kanzure | are you more into dna synthesis, watching birds, biohacking, molecular stuff.. | 13:22 |
| Hasp | Anything molecular, usually | 13:22 |
| Hasp | I'm not really into macroscopic biology | 13:22 |
| delinquentme | well being a chemist mol bio is your thing | 13:23 |
| delinquentme | but molecular bio is | 13:23 |
| delinquentme | um | 13:23 |
| delinquentme | HUGE | 13:23 |
| Hasp | I know | 13:24 |
| delinquentme | any interests more niche? | 13:24 |
| Hasp | Well, because I don't have much experience in the field, it's hard to say what I'd want to spend a lot of time on | 13:24 |
| delinquentme | disclaimer: we can niche down all day long .. even I've only narrowed it down to : big computers, AI and bioinformatics | 13:24 |
| delinquentme | Hasp, go read | 13:24 |
| delinquentme | fiercebiotech | 13:24 |
| delinquentme | technology review | 13:24 |
| delinquentme | synthetic bio is a hot thing right now | 13:24 |
| delinquentme | anything with drew endy or whats his face | 13:25 |
| delinquentme | venter | 13:25 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us:9000/random has some review videos | 13:25 |
| Hasp | Syntheic bio is quite interesting | 13:25 |
| Hasp | Sweet, thanks | 13:25 |
| Mariu | like DARPA creating synthetic soldiers ? | 13:25 |
| Mariu | or is that a rumour ? | 13:26 |
| delinquentme | http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21328475.100-gold-nano-ears-set-to-listen-in-on-cells.html | 13:26 |
| delinquentme | this is cool too | 13:26 |
| delinquentme | nanotech "speakers" | 13:26 |
| Hasp | Nice | 13:26 |
| Hasp | (I have to go soon) | 13:27 |
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| Hasp | Thanks a bunch for all of your guys help in here so far | 13:30 |
| delinquentme | WOWWWWW | 13:36 |
| delinquentme | this is awesome | 13:36 |
| delinquentme | Hasp, have a good one | 13:36 |
| delinquentme | this script works | 13:36 |
| Hasp | See you all later. Take it easy | 13:37 |
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| kanzure | ok i put the pokemon red disassembly up on hacker news | 15:45 |
| kanzure | http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3473111 | 15:45 |
| kanzure | upvotes would be appreciated :P | 15:45 |
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| uniqanomaly | kanzure: isn't it prohibited by license? if yes it is probably copyright violation unless you do it looking for security vulnerabilities ;) | 16:01 |
| kanzure | the violation is sharing the rom file | 16:02 |
| kanzure | also, comments on the hn thread appreciated, like that one :) | 16:02 |
| uniqanomaly | sorry haven't registered acc | 16:02 |
| kanzure | it's openid | 16:02 |
| uniqanomaly | "violated the terms of the EULA -- a contract. This contract violation then meant that the license to acquire or use the software was violated, and Lynn was using a copyrighted work (the software) without the consent of the copyright holder -- thus a copyright violation -- which gets Cisco into federal court rather than state court" | 16:04 |
| uniqanomaly | from http://www.securityfocus.com/columnists/349 | 16:04 |
| kanzure | i was giong to dump | 16:04 |
| kanzure | dfjdfjdk | 16:04 |
| kanzure | ignore that | 16:04 |
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| epitron | uniqanomaly: jesus | 18:02 |
| kanzure | hi epitron | 18:05 |
| uniqanomaly | epitron: yes? | 18:05 |
| epitron | hi kanzure | 18:05 |
| epitron | uniqanomaly: i was reacting to the link | 18:06 |
| uniqanomaly | ;) | 18:08 |
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| JayDugger | Good evening, everyone. | 18:56 |
| ybit | g'day JayDugger | 19:00 |
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| uniqanomaly | http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/11/opinion/research-bought-then-paid-for.html?_r=1 wtf | 19:11 |
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| kanzure | http://total-impact.org/ "Create a collection of research objects you want to track. We'll provide you a report of the total impact of this collection." | 22:22 |
| kanzure | hrm.. | 22:23 |
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| kanzure | hi ziyadb | 22:23 |
| Mariu | later everyone | 22:29 |
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| AgentGoodHead | AgentGoodhead is in the house | 23:16 |
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| kanzure | hi agent good head.. | 23:20 |
| AgentGoodHead | hello kanzure | 23:22 |
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