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| --- Day changed Sat Jan 28 2012 | ||
| Zach342342343294 | according to wikipedia they do | 00:00 |
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| yashgaroth | aww man I wanted a future without lawyers | 00:00 |
| Stee| | well | 00:00 |
| Stee| | more like I want to do business consulting :P | 00:00 |
| yashgaroth | heh, fair enough | 00:00 |
| Stee| | also someone has to talk to the government | 00:01 |
| Stee| | and be the new security consulting firm that actually has ties in the movement | 00:01 |
| Stee| | *straightens tie* | 00:01 |
| yashgaroth | don't worry zach, the U.S. takes a very liberal approach to investing | 00:01 |
| yashgaroth | ah, so now we're in security eh? | 00:01 |
| Stee| | all of the above | 00:02 |
| Stee| | basically, like Booz | 00:02 |
| Zach342342343294 | well thats cool then good luck | 00:02 |
| yashgaroth | first I've heard of Booz, but they do look enviable | 00:03 |
| Zach342342343294 | anything that will get some transhumanist focused companies | 00:03 |
| Stee| | Booz is interesting | 00:04 |
| Stee| | I almost got a job there as a modeling/simulation wargame analyst | 00:04 |
| yashgaroth | man that sounds like a baller job | 00:05 |
| Stee| | I don't know if I can talk about the job I might be getting :V | 00:05 |
| Stee| | I should ask my potential future boss to see what's, uh, legal to talk about | 00:06 |
| yashgaroth | we talking NDA or top secret? | 00:06 |
| Stee| | a mix | 00:06 |
| Stee| | For Official Use Only | 00:06 |
| yashgaroth | ah | 00:07 |
| yashgaroth | well, good luck in any case | 00:07 |
| Stee| | thanks | 00:08 |
| Stee| | hoping to funnel money to h+ stuff, as long as I get a return | 00:08 |
| yashgaroth | if you take payment in cash, no problem | 00:08 |
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| Stee| | it also can't get my clearances revoked :P | 00:09 |
| yashgaroth | if the government knows about it, you're fucked anyway | 00:09 |
| yashgaroth | but I'll see what I can do | 00:10 |
| yashgaroth | the idea of professionals who are also angel investors is quite appealing, I wonder if it would work with biologists as well | 00:12 |
| yashgaroth | they're sometimes flush with cash from a big buyout, and they do like to gamble, so it's a perfect combination | 00:12 |
| yashgaroth | anyway, that's enough for me for tonight, I'll be back tomorrow | 00:15 |
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| rkos | http://www.sallyglean.org/reynolds/priestcy.pdf | 06:32 |
| @kanzure | deliquentme: [x, y) is talking about inclusiveness of the interval | 06:39 |
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| delinquentme | klafka, ratios of bio to stats classes | 07:58 |
| @kanzure | delinquentme: [x, y) is interval stuff | 08:04 |
| @kanzure | like "include/exclude the ends" | 08:04 |
| @kanzure | i just can't ever remember which one is which :) | 08:04 |
| eudoxia | [ is include | 08:05 |
| @kanzure | i think [ is inclusive, ( is exclusive | 08:05 |
| delinquentme | yeah | 08:05 |
| @kanzure | alright good enough for me | 08:05 |
| delinquentme | thanks :D | 08:05 |
| @kanzure | 2/2 douchebags agree! | 08:05 |
| eudoxia | =) | 08:05 |
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| JayDugger | Yeah, remember--math, like democracy, depends on your vote for a correct answer. :) | 09:00 |
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| delinquentme | klafka, what happened w the PHD program? burn out? | 10:12 |
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| klafka | delinquentme burn out + sort of backed into something i ddn't want to do | 10:46 |
| klafka | i mean related to burn out but slightly diffferent | 10:46 |
| delinquentme | was it a PI being an asshole? | 10:47 |
| klafka | he wasn't strictly being an asshole | 10:47 |
| klafka | i was just not meeting his expectations | 10:48 |
| delinquentme | so the PI was pushing you to work on something you wern't interested in? | 10:48 |
| @kanzure | i think the point is, slave labor | 10:51 |
| uniqanomaly__ | hey, someone got to do PI's research :> | 10:53 |
| @kanzure | undergrads | 10:53 |
| @kanzure | that's what undergrads are for | 10:54 |
| uniqanomaly__ | k | 10:54 |
| klafka | actually uniqanomaly__ i was not even doing my PI's research | 10:59 |
| klafka | delinquentme basically my grad program was really small, my original PI and I were doing bioinformatics research trying to apply ML to it | 10:59 |
| klafka | however, that PI didn't erally know anything about ML | 10:59 |
| klafka | so as I started talking to an ML PI we started doing more stuff | 11:00 |
| klafka | and eventually i switched to the ML PI | 11:00 |
| klafka | however, they were interested mainly in ML | 11:00 |
| klafka | and so I kept getting pushed deeper into doing pure ML research | 11:00 |
| delinquentme | what university? | 11:00 |
| klafka | RIT | 11:00 |
| klafka | this isn't a reflection on them per se | 11:00 |
| klafka | it's a reflection on how _I_ am not good at real analysis | 11:01 |
| klafka | I, in my mind, was just not good enough at the fundamental math required to understand where my research was going | 11:01 |
| delinquentme | klafka, arent those two things essentially *Married* ?? | 11:01 |
| klafka | what? | 11:01 |
| delinquentme | i guess I fail to see how one can be a bioinformaticist and NOT be good at ML .. w regards to your PI | 11:02 |
| klafka | delinquentme umm bioinformatics is a whole range of shit | 11:02 |
| @kanzure | it's not impossible to believe that an advisor has a point where he can't help you any more | 11:02 |
| klafka | actually my original PI had a background in straight biology and then got into IT, at the same time htey were also moving into HCI w/ their research | 11:02 |
| delinquentme | klafka, can I see what you guys were working on? | 11:02 |
| klafka | um yeah | 11:03 |
| @kanzure | i've had many advisors tell me straight up, "i don't know what to tell you to do next, but here's the name of another prof.." | 11:03 |
| delinquentme | klafka, whats your highest math? | 11:04 |
| klafka | um i don't know what you mean by that | 11:04 |
| klafka | I have a degree in applied mathematics ? | 11:04 |
| @kanzure | klafka: delinquentme has been looking for suggestions for ml/bioinformatics projects | 11:04 |
| @kanzure | i suggested a bunch of standard phylogeneticy-homologyie stuff | 11:05 |
| delinquentme | O_o thats awesome | 11:06 |
| delinquentme | Im failing to understand how the issue here was with the lack of math | 11:06 |
| delinquentme | specifically w real analysis | 11:07 |
| klafka | because math is fucking hard | 11:08 |
| klafka | umm let me be more specific | 11:08 |
| klafka | so what i was getting into was sort of synthesizing a couple things, how markov chains work deeply enough to understand how to optimize ensemble mcmc methods | 11:09 |
| klafka | you can do this typically by considering the actions of the whole chain in the limit | 11:10 |
| delinquentme | yeah math is pretty hard | 11:10 |
| klafka | i mean it's not that i didn't understand it to a degree | 11:10 |
| klafka | but i didn't _understand_ it enough to build on it | 11:10 |
| klafka | like, i have a degree in math that doesn't mean i am able to do anything in it, real analysis was always my weakest area actually | 11:10 |
| delinquentme | ohh HMM montecarlos | 11:10 |
| delinquentme | http://radfordneal.wordpress.com/2011/01/01/ensemble-mcmc/ | 11:12 |
| klafka | um what | 11:13 |
| klafka | not hidden markov models | 11:13 |
| klafka | HMMs use Markov chains | 11:13 |
| klafka | but they are basically completely different | 11:13 |
| @kanzure | klafka: have you had your first day? | 11:14 |
| klafka | of? | 11:14 |
| @kanzure | badgebadgers | 11:14 |
| klafka | oh lol | 11:14 |
| klafka | i've just finished my 3rd week | 11:14 |
| klafka | what do you thnki was doing in california all this time | 11:14 |
| @kanzure | getting high? | 11:14 |
| klafka | LOL really? | 11:15 |
| uniqanomaly__ | haha | 11:16 |
| klafka | dude this has happened for 3rd week in a row http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/35tvwk/ | 11:16 |
| delinquentme | klafka, so markov chains are state probabilities | 11:16 |
| klafka | no | 11:16 |
| delinquentme | no? | 11:16 |
| @kanzure | klafka: i was kidding :3 | 11:16 |
| klafka | Markov chains are a structure that when applied to a distribution can produce points representative of that distribution | 11:17 |
| klafka | Markov chain transition matrices have state transition probabilities | 11:17 |
| klafka | also | 11:17 |
| klafka | how does your email start again delinquentme | 11:17 |
| klafka | ? | 11:17 |
| delinquentme | carlcrott@gmail.com | 11:17 |
| delinquentme | klafka, so you're trying to get information about a distribution for what ends | 11:18 |
| klafka | i just sent you a rough draft of the paper | 11:18 |
| delinquentme | information about a distribution *FROM A SUBSET* which you've MCed for what ends | 11:18 |
| klafka | um so one of the big things you want to do in ML is estimate expectations | 11:19 |
| klafka | because you cannot compute them directly | 11:19 |
| klafka | this is erally applicable when you want to say compute teh likelihood opr the derivative of the likelihood of a probability | 11:19 |
| klafka | you want to do that because this is how you can optimize your likelihood via gradient descent | 11:19 |
| klafka | you can estimate expectations in this way via MCMC | 11:20 |
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| klafka | by averaging basically points from the distribution | 11:20 |
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| klafka | as the # of points -> infinity the estimate of the expectation -> the expectation | 11:20 |
| klafka | maan soo shit | 11:21 |
| klafka | i think that when my advisor rightly decoupled all of our folders | 11:21 |
| klafka | i lost a bunch of shit | 11:21 |
| klafka | that sucks | 11:21 |
| delinquentme | no paper? | 11:22 |
| klafka | i just sent a draft to you | 11:22 |
| klafka | it's not my final though | 11:22 |
| @kanzure | klafka: always always make backups prior to shit going down | 11:22 |
| @kanzure | i used to make a backup before each meeting -_- | 11:22 |
| klafka | honestly kanzure i was not thinking well when i quit | 11:23 |
| klafka | i totally had a bit of a nervous breakdown | 11:23 |
| klafka | i mean the way that i quit was 'stopped showing up to school or responding to anyone's attempts to communicate' | 11:24 |
| delinquentme | so as the # of points -> infinity the estimate of the expectation -> the expectation | 11:26 |
| delinquentme | this reminds me of calc shit | 11:27 |
| klafka | yes | 11:27 |
| delinquentme | ooc what did you say to the new job | 11:27 |
| klafka | calculus is basically real analysis without all the stuff | 11:27 |
| delinquentme | "basically I want something easy" | 11:27 |
| klafka | delinquentme oh you meanmy current job? | 11:28 |
| delinquentme | without all the stuff? | 11:28 |
| delinquentme | ya | 11:28 |
| klafka | like calculus is basically just the mechanical computational side of real analysis | 11:28 |
| klafka | real analysis proves the basis of how calculus works | 11:29 |
| delinquentme | real analysis tutorials? | 11:29 |
| klafka | ugggh | 11:29 |
| klafka | i'm not sure if there are tutorials so much | 11:31 |
| klafka | i mean there is reference material | 11:31 |
| klafka | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real_analysis | 11:31 |
| klafka | honestly | 11:31 |
| klafka | read it over and take a look at their external links | 11:32 |
| klafka | i used baby rudin a lot o learn it | 11:32 |
| delinquentme | baby rudin O_o | 11:34 |
| klafka | http://www.amazon.com/Principles-Mathematical-Analysis-Third-Walter/dp/007054235X | 11:36 |
| klafka | did you end up getting the paper i sent you? | 11:44 |
| klafka | ah i found a more fnished one but i have to compile it to pdf | 11:46 |
| klafka | bleh | 11:46 |
| uniqanomaly__ | guys, what do you think about crowdsourced testing site, in wiki-like way people create tests relating to available learning materials, others solve those tests and get badges or something like that | 11:53 |
| uniqanomaly__ | also knowledge dependency tree like technology tree in games | 11:53 |
| uniqanomaly__ | ultimate separation of learning and testing | 11:54 |
| @kanzure | knowledge dependency trees were being done by okfn | 11:54 |
| @kanzure | testing is lame let's just sacrifice them and scan in their brains to see the changes | 11:54 |
| uniqanomaly__ | nah theres no point in testing if you could just learn it matrx-style | 11:56 |
| uniqanomaly__ | noone feels butterfiles in their belly about teh idea? | 12:02 |
| uniqanomaly__ | butterflies* | 12:03 |
| uniqanomaly__ | guys, what do you think about crowdsourced testing site, in wiki-like way people create tests relating to available learning materials, others solve those tests and get badges or something like that | 12:04 |
| uniqanomaly__ | fck | 12:04 |
| uniqanomaly__ | sry ;p | 12:04 |
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| delinquentme | Zach342342343294, hows your mother? | 15:57 |
| Zach342342343294 | amazing | 15:58 |
| Zach342342343294 | yours? | 15:58 |
| Zach342342343294 | is hplus affilitated with lifeboat foundation? | 16:00 |
| Zach342342343294 | or ieet? | 16:01 |
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| Zach342342343294 | i guess it doesn't matter tbh | 16:02 |
| eudoxia | the magazine? | 16:04 |
| eudoxia | I'm assuming that's what you mean but you can never be sure | 16:04 |
| Zach342342343294 | it seems like its more an organization | 16:05 |
| Zach342342343294 | im just browsing the website | 16:05 |
| Zach342342343294 | its kind of hard to tell how well funded some of the transhumanist/singularity/etc orgs are | 16:06 |
| eudoxia | I remember kanzure said something about | 16:06 |
| eudoxia | "no more than 15k" in their last fundraiser | 16:06 |
| eudoxia | or maybe it was "no more than 15k" in any one | 16:07 |
| eudoxia | re: h+ | 16:07 |
| Zach342342343294 | that makes sense | 16:07 |
| eudoxia | SIAI gets more | 16:07 |
| Zach342342343294 | any idea about the SENS one? | 16:08 |
| Zach342342343294 | methusaleh foundation i think it is called | 16:08 |
| Zach342342343294 | looks like sens foundation and SIAI are the main ones doing research | 16:10 |
| eudoxia | not sure about SENS | 16:10 |
| delinquentme | Zach342342343294, making cookies | 16:10 |
| eudoxia | but I just checked and oh my does SIAI have money | 16:10 |
| delinquentme | i hope! | 16:10 |
| delinquentme | SIAI? | 16:10 |
| Zach342342343294 | delinquentme: do you like crunchy or soft cookies? | 16:11 |
| delinquentme | cookie dough | 16:11 |
| delinquentme | :D | 16:11 |
| delinquentme | salmonella = zingy | 16:11 |
| eudoxia | what research does SIAI actually do? | 16:11 |
| Zach342342343294 | the best type of ella | 16:11 |
| delinquentme | ella | 16:11 |
| delinquentme | eh eh! | 16:11 |
| * delinquentme lolz | 16:11 | |
| jrayhawk | They do research on existential risk. | 16:11 |
| Zach342342343294 | eudoxia: I think mostly yudkowsky does research with a few other people on mathy stuff like decision theory | 16:12 |
| jrayhawk | And "AI friendliness" | 16:12 |
| Zach342342343294 | and a lot of general this is how to be rational stuff as well | 16:12 |
| Zach342342343294 | i think the idea is if someone is rational enough they will inevitably see that making a friendly ai is the most important thing in the world | 16:13 |
| Zach342342343294 | damn delinquentme now i'm going to be craving cookies | 16:13 |
| Zach342342343294 | and i was trying to get in shape | 16:13 |
| Zach342342343294 | if i die from obesity related causes its your fault | 16:15 |
| delinquentme | Zach342342343294, see I see living longer as the only rational thing to do | 16:15 |
| delinquentme | whereas others say "getting to space" | 16:15 |
| delinquentme | i ask WHY | 16:16 |
| eudoxia | oh god it's so annoying | 16:16 |
| delinquentme | bc if we live longer .. well get there anyways | 16:16 |
| eudoxia | it's like the people who keep saying "GUYS GUYS DROP EVERYTHING I JUST REALIZE AN ASTEROID IS GOING TO KILL US ALL SOMEDAY" | 16:16 |
| eudoxia | "BETTER GET TO SPACE NOW" | 16:16 |
| eudoxia | "WHY CAN'T YOU SEE WHAT I SEEEEEEEEE" | 16:16 |
| Zach342342343294 | i agree delinquentme | 16:16 |
| Zach342342343294 | obviously a long term goal would be get highly separated groups on several star systems with no contact with eachother | 16:17 |
| eudoxia | well obviously | 16:17 |
| Zach342342343294 | assuming that there is no 'easy' way to go faster than light | 16:17 |
| eudoxia | it was just to illustrate a point, space exploration is cool too | 16:17 |
| Zach342342343294 | but that is so long off | 16:18 |
| delinquentme | end game I want humanity crusing through space on a massive space ship hitting up planets for resources | 16:18 |
| eudoxia | but I don't understand the fixation with space | 16:18 |
| delinquentme | mobility is a good thing | 16:18 |
| eudoxia | I mean, I have this friend who works for Dennis Chamberland | 16:18 |
| Zach342342343294 | i think it is left over cold war rah rah rahism | 16:18 |
| delinquentme | fuck the deep chill | 16:18 |
| eudoxia | and he has convinced me that undersea exploration gets the job done (resources + survival of mankind) just as well as space exploration | 16:18 |
| eudoxia | less cost, easily translatable technology | 16:19 |
| eudoxia | except for the whole positive/negative pressure things being swapped but whatever | 16:19 |
| Zach342342343294 | good point i am reading a bit about him now | 16:19 |
| eudoxia | one thing he pointed out was that gamma ray bursts or other sources of radiation would completely fry a colony in space | 16:20 |
| eudoxia | but a few kilometers of water is a perfect radiation shield | 16:20 |
| Zach342342343294 | eudoxia: i have never thought of that before | 16:21 |
| Zach342342343294 | very good points | 16:21 |
| delinquentme | OH! | 16:22 |
| Zach342342343294 | well i am going to make dinner | 16:23 |
| delinquentme | TIL humans suspended in fluid sacks can hold up to acceleration forces better than regular jump suits | 16:23 |
| Zach342342343294 | and regret ever advocating for space exploration | 16:23 |
| delinquentme | http://www.reddit.com/r/askscience/comments/p0byi/would_it_be_possible_to_survive_an_otherwise/ | 16:23 |
| eudoxia | the calculation of how many kilometers of water would be necessary to shield against the explosion of WR 104 is left as an excercise to the reader | 16:23 |
| @kanzure | to the dead reader. | 16:50 |
| @kanzure | i don't really trust the work of ieet | 16:50 |
| @kanzure | it's more of a propaganda front for james hughes' book ("citizen cyborg") | 16:50 |
| Urchin | I thought it was the other way around | 16:51 |
| @kanzure | lifeboat foundation is just a giant "board of advisors" signing their name to eric's org.. they have a mailing list, so they are on par with humanityplus.org | 16:51 |
| @kanzure | Zach342342343294: sens recently had a $500k donation | 16:51 |
| @kanzure | siai is not doing the same caliber research as sens, by a long shot.. | 16:51 |
| @kanzure | sens' research is much more, intense imho | 16:52 |
| @kanzure | eudoxia: yeah, siai has enough money to even have a scandal under the hood already | 16:52 |
| @kanzure | eudoxia: hey they are right about going to space :) it's bad to have us all on one planet at the same time | 16:53 |
| eudoxia | well you're bound to have a scandal if you manage to turn millions in donations into nothing but empty verbiage | 16:53 |
| eudoxia | in the words of Greg Egan | 16:53 |
| @kanzure | eudoxia: pm | 16:58 |
| eudoxia | space is cool too, but the cost is too high to keep most 5-year term politicians interested and there is only a market for LEO/GEO satellites | 16:58 |
| @kanzure | you don't see spacex caring about politicians much | 16:59 |
| eudoxia | quantumg had a strangely convincing rant about SpaceX some time ago | 16:59 |
| eudoxia | something about NASA money being like heroin | 16:59 |
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| delinquentme | TALKING IN #MATH ZOMG #DOWNT3HRABBITHOLE | 17:21 |
| @kanzure | #not-math is also an ok math place | 17:23 |
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| @kanzure | hi aristarchus | 17:43 |
| aristarchus | hi! | 17:43 |
| Stee| | got invited to be a permanent member of Diamandis' Abundance Index team | 18:00 |
| Stee| | woo | 18:00 |
| eudoxia | I think you explained that to me once | 18:03 |
| eudoxia | it's like some numerical value or something | 18:03 |
| eudoxia | I think | 18:03 |
| Zach342342343294 | congrats stee| | 18:04 |
| eudoxia | "The Abundance Index is an aggregate index we are proposing to help measure the world’s progress toward abundance in essential human needs such as water, energy, food, education, healthcare, freedom. The goal is to create an index that aggregates existing data being actively maintained by reputable organizations [...]" | 18:04 |
| eudoxia | I was sort of right | 18:04 |
| Zach342342343294 | abundance means post-scarcity i guess? | 18:07 |
| Zach342342343294 | like star trek? | 18:07 |
| Stee| | no | 18:07 |
| Stee| | it's tracking how much people have access to these things | 18:08 |
| Stee| | (with that as a goal, yes) | 18:08 |
| Stee| | could you get rid of some numbers out of your name >_> | 18:08 |
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| Stee| | awesome | 18:10 |
| zach342 | any idea when the abundance index is going to 'launch'? | 18:13 |
| aristarchus | abundance index? | 18:14 |
| aristarchus | doh | 18:15 |
| Stee| | end of feb | 18:15 |
| * aristarchus looks at chat log | 18:15 | |
| zach342 | cool good luck with it | 18:15 |
| Stee| | thanks | 18:16 |
| flazmot | http://arbornet.org/~flamoot/telepathic-critterdrug.html artificial consciousness evolver for linux and windows | 18:33 |
| @kanzure | flazmot: stop it | 18:39 |
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| @kanzure | Stee|: can you get me in on that | 18:40 |
| Stee| | abundance index? | 18:40 |
| @kanzure | diamandis' group | 18:41 |
| @kanzure | yes | 18:41 |
| Stee| | I'll poke the lady in charge now and point you and your credentials out | 18:41 |
| Stee| | there's like 8 topics | 18:41 |
| @kanzure | thanks | 18:41 |
| @kanzure | yeah, well. | 18:41 |
| Stee| | ugh, all I'm trying to find is the surface energy of steel-air interface | 18:42 |
| Stee| | why is this so hard | 18:42 |
| @kanzure | this stuff is usually in a CAS book in some random library | 18:42 |
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| @kanzure | "it can't be online because that will destroy our profits!" | 18:42 |
| flazmot | i apologize for doing that kanzure | 18:42 |
| @kanzure | flazmot: why are you in here anyway | 18:42 |
| Stee| | seriously though, steel-air? | 18:42 |
| Stee| | steel-air should be easy to find | 18:42 |
| @kanzure | matweb? | 18:42 |
| @kanzure | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folk_psychology | 18:45 |
| @kanzure | "Folk psychology (also known as common sense psychology, naïve psychology or vernacular psychology) is the set of assumptions, constructs, and convictions that makes up the everyday language in which people discuss human psychology. Folk psychology embraces everyday concepts like “beliefs”, "desires”, “fear”, and “hope"." | 18:45 |
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| @kanzure | i wish consciousness, decisions, and intelligence would be added to that list | 18:45 |
| Stee| | have you worked at all with diamandis at all? | 18:46 |
| @kanzure | if "desire" is a valid term, then why isn't "decision" blegh | 18:46 |
| @kanzure | Stee|: not directly | 18:46 |
| Stee| | hmmm | 18:46 |
| @kanzure | Stee|: i've done some work with siai, and people who talk at singularityu | 18:46 |
| @kanzure | i guess i hung out at halcyon for a bit, but he wouldn't care | 18:46 |
| Stee| | I dropped the 'know other people' line | 18:46 |
| Stee| | see what happens | 18:46 |
| @kanzure | i think the most pertinent bullshit line item is director of R&D from humanity+ | 18:46 |
| Stee| | eh, this isn't diamandis himself | 18:47 |
| Stee| | it's someone who's running it | 18:47 |
| Stee| | so I can't be sure that will work | 18:47 |
| Stee| | 'talented and interested' is vague but hooking | 18:47 |
| @kanzure | um | 18:47 |
| @kanzure | yeah that's a bit vague considering all the stuff going down | 18:47 |
| @kanzure | but thanks. maybe they will follow up. | 18:48 |
| @kanzure | Stee|: thecureisnow is putting me on a board of advisors, you want in? | 18:49 |
| Stee| | Sure | 18:50 |
| Stee| | What do I need to do | 18:50 |
| @kanzure | shoot me a short <5 sentence email with your research specialization, lab/advisor/any papers | 18:51 |
| @kanzure | um, and something about what level of contribution you'd be willing to provide | 18:51 |
| Stee| | $ wise? Research wise? | 18:52 |
| @kanzure | which, btw, can be anything.. it's not a signed/contracted thing so you could say "five phone calls a year" | 18:52 |
| @kanzure | research wise could be cool, but nope.. | 18:52 |
| Stee| | what was your email again? | 18:53 |
| @kanzure | it's really old school. "board of advisors" means "we won't bug you every week" | 18:53 |
| @kanzure | kanzure@gmail.com | 18:53 |
| Stee| | I'm thinking of starting a charity when I start working, actually. | 18:54 |
| Stee| | one with a more concrete goal | 18:54 |
| @kanzure | charities are broken | 18:54 |
| @kanzure | "please give us money" is no way to support yourself | 18:55 |
| Stee| | uh, not as a lifestyle | 18:55 |
| Stee| | as a side thing | 18:55 |
| @kanzure | btw, i haven't replaced humanity+ primarily because i have no donations that need the tax credit | 18:55 |
| Stee| | I want to raise money to pay for pulse ilimb/similar things for amputees | 18:55 |
| @kanzure | so why would you do one? | 18:55 |
| @kanzure | ok, why does that need to be non-profit | 18:55 |
| Stee| | tax writeoffs | 18:56 |
| Stee| | are a good way to convince people to donate | 18:56 |
| @kanzure | ok. so are you going for the begging approach, or do you have someone lined up who needs to dump cash on you | 18:56 |
| Stee| | Raise money through my professional contacts, probably. Even if it only helps one more person a year, it would be worth it. | 18:57 |
| Stee| | Even lowly engineers making 80k a year like tax writeoffs sometimes. | 18:57 |
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| @kanzure | sure | 18:57 |
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| Stee| | ugh fuck | 19:01 |
| Stee| | I hate three phase contact points | 19:01 |
| @kanzure | huh i thought you said materials, not mechanical | 19:02 |
| @kanzure | close enough i guess | 19:02 |
| @kanzure | wait.. | 19:03 |
| @kanzure | your advisor is mishra? | 19:03 |
| Stee| | yes >_> | 19:03 |
| flazmot | i read contact points as contact aids | 19:04 |
| flazmot | and was briefly frightened | 19:04 |
| @kanzure | https://www.ideals.illinois.edu/bitstream/handle/2142/24046/Pikul_James.pdf?sequence=1 | 19:04 |
| @kanzure | Stee|: so were you around when we were talking about a microflluidic dna synthesizer | 19:04 |
| Stee| | nope | 19:04 |
| @kanzure | i'm considering a droplet system | 19:04 |
| @kanzure | and maybe a picoliter array for photomasked dna synthesis | 19:05 |
| Stee| | yeah, I've read like 90% of the work that lab produced lol | 19:05 |
| Stee| | all the EHD stuff | 19:05 |
| flazmot | biopunk | 19:05 |
| @kanzure | Stee|: can you read this stuff and let me know what you think? http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/microfluidics/synthesis/ | 19:05 |
| @kanzure | especially http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/microfluidics/synthesis/Synthesis%20-%20Microfluidic%20PicoArray%20synthesis%20of%20oligodeoxynucleotides%20and%20simultaneous%20assembling%20of%20multiple%20DNA%20sequences%20(10%20kb).pdf | 19:05 |
| Stee| | I don't do bio dude | 19:05 |
| Stee| | seriously | 19:05 |
| Stee| | I know jack shit about it | 19:06 |
| Stee| | and the vast majority of my microfluidics is jet impact | 19:06 |
| @kanzure | don't worry about the bio part | 19:06 |
| Stee| | not in channel | 19:06 |
| @kanzure | ah. well all my work with microfluidics has been channel flow and droplet | 19:06 |
| @kanzure | one-cell-per-droplet, etc. | 19:06 |
| Stee| | I mean, I can tell you a bit about vortex flows | 19:07 |
| Stee| | but that's about it | 19:07 |
| @kanzure | have you patterned anything into pdms/su8 | 19:07 |
| Stee| | we don't do patterning | 19:08 |
| @kanzure | bah | 19:08 |
| @kanzure | do you know anyone who you can abduct | 19:08 |
| Stee| | seriously | 19:08 |
| Stee| | I don't think RPI does much in the way of patterning | 19:08 |
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| @kanzure | Stee|: i'd like to get someone in here who actually has experience making microfluidic devices | 19:10 |
| @kanzure | especially if that someone has made a lot that have failed | 19:10 |
| Stee| | If I find anyone I'll tell you | 19:11 |
| Stee| | moving to DC soon so | 19:11 |
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| Stee| | method 1 validated! | 19:56 |
| Stee| | (fuck contact angles) | 19:56 |
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| delinquentme | Stee|, whut? | 20:46 |
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| delinquentme | kanzure, extistentialing | 21:02 |
| delinquentme | kanz do you know who is currently working on blood projects | 21:02 |
| @kanzure | i have no idea what you just said | 21:02 |
| delinquentme | i mean like endless supplies of type o negative blood | 21:02 |
| @kanzure | blood projects! yes, i know at least one person doing stem cell/blood diy projects | 21:03 |
| @kanzure | haven't seen that yet | 21:03 |
| @kanzure | i think their current method is called "a blood drive" | 21:04 |
| @kanzure | it's pretty lame | 21:04 |
| delinquentme | loolol | 21:04 |
| yashgaroth | in the far future, we will have 'pay people who aren't junkies to give blood' | 21:04 |
| delinquentme | i think i commented on this to someone | 21:04 |
| delinquentme | said Its kind of primitive and dirty | 21:04 |
| delinquentme | lets suck from someone else and inject it into another | 21:04 |
| delinquentme | uhhhh | 21:04 |
| delinquentme | that just *SOUNDS* bad | 21:04 |
| @kanzure | nobody will understand delinquentme | 21:04 |
| delinquentme | kanzure, who are the blood projects | 21:05 |
| Stee| | Hmmm | 21:05 |
| @kanzure | the longevity guys | 21:05 |
| Stee| | it's interesting to see who's interested and who's not in vatgrown meat | 21:05 |
| @kanzure | i don't know, opencures (except not them, since they are just writing protocols) | 21:05 |
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| @kanzure | Stee|: i don't think anyone has demonstrated stem cell -> muscle/meat cells | 21:06 |
| yashgaroth | they have, the problem is getting a vasculature to support it | 21:06 |
| @kanzure | no that's not a problem really | 21:06 |
| @kanzure | have you seen the scaffolds? | 21:07 |
| yashgaroth | I have not | 21:07 |
| @kanzure | iirc some of them have a way to pump blood through the scaffolds someone setup | 21:07 |
| @kanzure | Stee|: when jmil shows up in here again, you should pester him about this | 21:08 |
| @kanzure | he will have some specific stuff to show you | 21:08 |
| delinquentme | kanzure, i still need moar gud animeeee | 21:09 |
| delinquentme | fenn, | 21:09 |
| delinquentme | DE DONDE ERAS TU!? | 21:09 |
| delinquentme | NICE serial experiments lane is finished | 21:09 |
| @kanzure | delinquentme: i liked her setup | 21:10 |
| @kanzure | superkuh: superkuh.com is down | 21:11 |
| @kanzure | this wasn't it.. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/b/b8/Lain_hacker_small.jpg/250px-Lain_hacker_small.jpg | 21:11 |
| delinquentme | kanzure, whos her? | 21:14 |
| delinquentme | Ohhhh! | 21:14 |
| delinquentme | hah | 21:14 |
| delinquentme | truth | 21:14 |
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| delinquentme | derp :D | 21:14 |
| uniqanomaly | hmm | 21:15 |
| uniqanomaly | delinquentme: draining babies for blood on international waters | 21:16 |
| uniqanomaly | another idea | 21:16 |
| uniqanomaly | :< | 21:16 |
| yashgaroth | ah, so that's how they plan to fund seasteading | 21:16 |
| delinquentme | lolol | 21:17 |
| delinquentme | Approved an authorized blood substitute in Mexico in 2005 | 21:17 |
| delinquentme | ^^^^ | 21:17 |
| Stee| | heh | 21:17 |
| Stee| | did any of you guys see the seasteading thread on SA? | 21:17 |
| @kanzure | nope | 21:17 |
| Stee| | SA is very left leaning in a lot of ways | 21:18 |
| yashgaroth | you got stairs in yo house brah? | 21:18 |
| Stee| | so it was hilarious, if strawmanned at points | 21:18 |
| Stee| | sigh. | 21:18 |
| yashgaroth | :V | 21:18 |
| Stee| | pusher robot, etc. etc. etc. | 21:18 |
| yashgaroth | but yes, the fanfic in that threat was great | 21:18 |
| Stee| | I'm Captain Greed on the forums | 21:19 |
| Stee| | I don't post much | 21:19 |
| @kanzure | Stee|: goons are the driving force of the web, didn't you know | 21:19 |
| Stee| | as the leftism often goes very anti-technology | 21:19 |
| delinquentme | SA? | 21:19 |
| Stee| | kanzure: In a lot of ways, it's the truth. | 21:19 |
| @kanzure | somethingawful | 21:19 |
| Stee| | 4chan spawned from SA. | 21:19 |
| yashgaroth | I'm same username, don't post much either, but they're a very solid bunch overall | 21:19 |
| @kanzure | which spawned such autracities as, 4chan | 21:19 |
| Stee| | somethingawful is a fairly heavily moderated website | 21:19 |
| Stee| | with a, uh, unique culture | 21:20 |
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| Stee| | that has shifted very left since 08 | 21:20 |
| superkuh | kanzure, yeah, I've rebooted into Windows to play video games. | 21:20 |
| superkuh | I'll be getting some dedicated hardware for the server again in the next month or two. | 21:21 |
| @kanzure | do you want hosting | 21:21 |
| yashgaroth | I don't think they've 'shifted' left really, at worst it was libertarian for a while | 21:21 |
| Stee| | average D&D is between american leftist and communist :P | 21:22 |
| yashgaroth | just like with /r/politics, all the jagoffs congregate to such subforums | 21:23 |
| superkuh | Thanks for the offer. No. I'd rather keep everything in my physical proximity. | 21:23 |
| @kanzure | superkuh: next question.. archels was looking for a good neuron visualization program | 21:26 |
| @kanzure | his complaint is something about everything being rods and cones | 21:26 |
| @kanzure | rods and spheres, rather | 21:26 |
| @kanzure | do you know anything? maybe there's a mayavi module or something that loads modeldb files | 21:27 |
| superkuh | I don't. | 21:28 |
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| delinquentme | http://video.msnbc.msn.com/martin-bashir/46152472#46152472 | 21:35 |
| @kanzure | what is it? | 21:37 |
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| delinquentme | degrasse calling newt a tard | 22:11 |
| @kanzure | who cares. who's degrasse. | 22:29 |
| Stee| | Neil DeGrasse Tyson | 22:31 |
| delinquentme | kanzure, have you ever searched for patent ownershipt transfer documents? | 22:32 |
| @kanzure | no, but there's lots of cross-licensing agreement stuff | 22:32 |
| Stee| | kanz, you do noots? | 22:40 |
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| @kanzure | Stee|: somewhat | 22:53 |
| Stee| | cool | 22:54 |
| @kanzure | fenn has been experimenting lately | 22:54 |
| Stee| | Eh, I did a lot of reading on it when I was working on starting a business | 22:55 |
| Stee| | before I took a close look at fda stuff | 22:55 |
| @kanzure | alright. what were you aiming to do | 22:55 |
| Stee| | sell custom mixes people could order online within certain dosage limits and restrictions | 22:56 |
| Stee| | heh | 22:56 |
| Stee| | rather, people could mix their own online | 22:56 |
| Stee| | similar to trueprotein | 22:56 |
| Stee| | I'll probably just work with mokbortalon | 22:57 |
| yashgaroth | if you pill them yourself I'd buy some | 22:58 |
| Stee| | I was going to | 23:02 |
| Stee| | but I'm getting a clearance | 23:02 |
| Stee| | or will be hopefully | 23:02 |
| Stee| | I may put together a flavanoid drink mix | 23:02 |
| Stee| | since those are legal AND effective in superdoses | 23:02 |
| yashgaroth | I mean, as long as someone who's not me does the work of pilling and measuring, it's worth a premium | 23:03 |
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| Stee| | haha | 23:03 |
| Mariu | hey guys | 23:04 |
| Stee| | I was thinking a flavonol/anthocyanin/isoflavone/cinnamon/rhodiola rosea mix | 23:04 |
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| delinquentme | cinnamon buns? | 23:06 |
| yashgaroth | no racetams? they're still sort of legal | 23:06 |
| delinquentme | what about cinnamon buns? | 23:06 |
| delinquentme | i want. | 23:06 |
| delinquentme | klaf | 23:06 |
| delinquentme | klafka, paper | 23:06 |
| delinquentme | good. | 23:06 |
| Stee| | yash: They're not actually, if sold for human consumption | 23:07 |
| Stee| | I talked to the FDA agent in charge of stuff like that on the phone | 23:07 |
| klafka | ah cool | 23:07 |
| yashgaroth | guess I'm lucky I don't mind the taste of them then | 23:08 |
| Stee| | heh | 23:08 |
| Stee| | basically, what it is | 23:08 |
| Stee| | is they aren't legally a drug, a food, or a supplement | 23:09 |
| Stee| | so they can't be labeled as anything meant for humans | 23:09 |
| yashgaroth | an all-but-racetam mix would still be good, I think those are the main restricted noots anyway right? | 23:10 |
| @kanzure | klafka and i were making a nootropics vendor scraping site | 23:11 |
| klafka | heh | 23:11 |
| Stee| | yashgaroth: Actually | 23:11 |
| klafka | i got busy with trying to get a real job though -_- | 23:11 |
| Stee| | I have a list of everything that insurance companies consider risky | 23:11 |
| klafka | i think that the actual scraping was going to be way more problematic than anticipated | 23:11 |
| @kanzure | i'm a little embarrassed by how few nootropics papers i read | 23:12 |
| @kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/nootropics/ | 23:12 |
| @kanzure | klafka: nah. not at all | 23:12 |
| @kanzure | anyway, noots paper donations appreciated :> | 23:12 |
| Stee| | hmm | 23:13 |
| Stee| | god, I have some decent stuff actually | 23:13 |
| Stee| | in my qiqqa folder | 23:13 |
| klafka | aah | 23:14 |
| Stee| | I have a paper on lions mane | 23:14 |
| Stee| | which is fucking fascinating shit | 23:14 |
| Stee| | actually, most of my saved papers are on flavonoids | 23:15 |
| Stee| | here's a fun one | 23:16 |
| Stee| | Blueberry-induced changes in spatial working memory correlate with | 23:16 |
| Stee| | changes in hippocampal CREB phosphorylation and brain-derived | 23:16 |
| Stee| | neurotrophic factor (BDNF) levels | 23:16 |
| Stee| | whoops | 23:16 |
| @kanzure | one of the reasons i don't read many noots papers is because the random correlations aren't that helpful | 23:17 |
| Stee| | yeah | 23:18 |
| @kanzure | imminst.org thrives on reading random abstracts.. big fucking deal :/ | 23:18 |
| Stee| | flavonoid papers are generally better | 23:18 |
| Stee| | trying to find the paper | 23:19 |
| @kanzure | i wonder why i am awake | 23:21 |
| Stee| | http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20955649 | 23:21 |
| Stee| | here | 23:21 |
| klafka | lol kanzure | 23:25 |
| klafka | so true | 23:25 |
| Stee| | the study I want is not available | 23:26 |
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| Stee| | http://northumbria.openrepository.com/northumbria/bitstream/10145/123598/2/Scholey_Consumption%20of%20cocoa%20flavanols.pdf | 23:28 |
| @kanzure | added. | 23:35 |
| Stee| | hence me thinking of putting together a drink mix brand | 23:37 |
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