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| delinquentme | HOWDY HOMESLICES! | 08:26 |
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| @kanzure | what's up fruitcup | 08:27 |
| @kanzure | mergecurial is getting more and more painful by each passing day | 08:27 |
| @kanzure | https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Mercurial_Queues | 08:27 |
| delinquentme | <3 | 08:28 |
| delinquentme | having an AMAZINg morning | 08:28 |
| delinquentme | wanna know what I found??? | 08:28 |
| @kanzure | your self-respect? | 08:28 |
| @kanzure | your inner child? | 08:28 |
| delinquentme | http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bcss.za.org%2Fnewt-gingrich-on-atheism%2F&h=5AQFwodSWAQERst0tuHOZthnbmnWmddpTUGcRL6Ew7VYVog | 08:28 |
| delinquentme | derp | 08:29 |
| delinquentme | http://www.bcss.za.org/newt-gingrich-on-atheism/ | 08:29 |
| delinquentme | "How WEAK and LIMITED any human being is" | 08:29 |
| delinquentme | OH . MAN. | 08:29 |
| @kanzure | um. ok. | 08:30 |
| delinquentme | kanzure, to me | 08:34 |
| delinquentme | thats fire under my ass | 08:34 |
| delinquentme | thats so so so fucking blasphemous | 08:34 |
| delinquentme | seriously fuck that guy | 08:35 |
| delinquentme | and fuck his incapacity | 08:35 |
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| @kanzure | hi jrayhawk | 08:49 |
| jrayhawk | hello! | 08:49 |
| delinquentme | ZOGHHIHIHIHIHIHIH | 08:54 |
| delinquentme | u too _sol_ | 08:54 |
| @kanzure | my "hi" is more ironic, since jrayhawk has failed me by losing connectivity | 08:54 |
| @kanzure | is there a better way to visualize git's history other than gitk? it's sorta crashing on me | 08:55 |
| jrayhawk | gource | 08:56 |
| jrayhawk | always gource | 08:56 |
| delinquentme | klafka, talk to me about the RA in your paper | 08:56 |
| jrayhawk | git log --graph is probably more what you want, though | 08:56 |
| delinquentme | actually nm lemme get through it first | 08:56 |
| @kanzure | log --graph, thanks | 08:57 |
| delinquentme | ^^^^ | 08:57 |
| delinquentme | git <3 | 08:57 |
| @kanzure | jrayhawk: http://heybryan.org/shots/2012-01-29-1057-gitk.png | 08:59 |
| @kanzure | i count 17 active lines (so, branches?) in a few places | 09:01 |
| jrayhawk | linux.git generally hits over 100 during a merge window | 09:03 |
| @kanzure | mergetopia | 09:03 |
| @kanzure | jrayhawk: https://bitbucket.org/kanzure/pokered/changesets/0b180a6e2ec5 | 09:05 |
| @kanzure | so sometimes there's a file that gets moved, | 09:05 |
| @kanzure | and then someone commits a merge | 09:05 |
| @kanzure | which inflates the size of the repository dramatically, especially if the file was larger than a few kilobytes | 09:06 |
| @kanzure | how do i stop this in hg :( | 09:06 |
| @kanzure | i'm thinking about forcing everyone else to use queues | 09:06 |
| @kanzure | https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Mercurial_Queues | 09:06 |
| @kanzure | see near 'polite' | 09:06 |
| jrayhawk | for anyone using gnusha for IRC: I'm probably going to reboot it tonight. | 09:07 |
| @kanzure | damn | 09:08 |
| jrayhawk | ha ha THE TABLES HAVE TURNED | 09:08 |
| @kanzure | up 206 days | 09:09 |
| @kanzure | optically-induced electrowetting is a thing? | 09:28 |
| @kanzure | http://teitell-lab.com/PDF_Files/2010_4_Park.pdf | 09:42 |
| @kanzure | they're doing optically-addressable droplet actuation on an lcd screen with no lenses | 09:43 |
| @kanzure | i wonder how many pixels per droplet | 09:43 |
| @kanzure | "One major limitation of SCOEW is that it requires high voltage (a few kV) in actuation" | 09:46 |
| klafka | delinquentme sup? | 10:06 |
| klafka | RA | 10:06 |
| klafka | ? | 10:06 |
| @kanzure | research advisor, is my guess | 10:06 |
| klafka | oh | 10:06 |
| klafka | sorry just woke up | 10:07 |
| delinquentme | real analysis | 10:08 |
| delinquentme | like ive made it through the first 2 pages and I looked at the proofs | 10:09 |
| delinquentme | while I'm rusty on my differential rules it looks sensical | 10:09 |
| klafka | well good! | 10:12 |
| delinquentme | but i figured I'd get a feeling for where the real analysis kicks in after finishing the read through | 10:12 |
| klafka | real analysis kicks in, in making the proofs | 10:12 |
| delinquentme | klafka, you've partially restored my faith in academia ... they're not all full derps :D | 10:12 |
| klafka | what do you mean? | 10:12 |
| klafka | no man | 10:12 |
| klafka | there are a lot of academics that are really intimidatingly brilliant | 10:12 |
| delinquentme | ehhh | 10:13 |
| klafka | my advisor is absolutely one such person | 10:13 |
| delinquentme | i think you're truly brilliant when you can set that ego BS aside and present it simply | 10:13 |
| delinquentme | like IF you make it so that it sounds intimidatingly brilliant | 10:13 |
| klafka | i've honestly not met that many egoistic academics | 10:13 |
| delinquentme | you're not effectively conveying information | 10:13 |
| @kanzure | klafka: it's definitely freaky when these academics have obscure knowledge that you didn't previously know they had, | 10:13 |
| delinquentme | instead you're masturbating | 10:13 |
| @kanzure | like "oh yeah, i spent 20 years in india studying that <RANDOM OBSCURE TOPIC THAT YOU DESPERATELY NEED HELP WITH>" | 10:13 |
| klafka | LOL yes | 10:14 |
| @kanzure | it's fucking ridiculous. | 10:14 |
| delinquentme | I've probs had bad academia experiences | 10:14 |
| klafka | idk i think academics are often pretty interesting and great people but some of them just really suck it's true | 10:14 |
| klafka | my advisor would always say, there is a type of person in academia, who isn't good, but they aren't retarded, and the reason they are around is because they are good at sucking up and writing grants | 10:15 |
| klafka | 'the middle path' | 10:15 |
| delinquentme | so yeah im sitting on khan picking out bits and pieces of calc review before jumping into this spivak book on real analysis | 10:15 |
| klafka | those are the people i think you dislike | 10:15 |
| klafka | oh cool | 10:15 |
| klafka | awesome | 10:15 |
| klafka | learning! | 10:15 |
| delinquentme | klafka, absolutely | 10:15 |
| delinquentme | they're the politicians of academia | 10:15 |
| delinquentme | klafka, id take most people who got burned out on a subject to be a little bitter about it | 10:16 |
| delinquentme | you've got your shit together | 10:16 |
| delinquentme | gg | 10:16 |
| klafka | i am pretty bitter | 10:16 |
| klafka | heh | 10:16 |
| klafka | didn't you hear me talking to movvey | 10:16 |
| klafka | :P | 10:16 |
| delinquentme | lucky me, this is a really sweet example for me to learn from | 10:19 |
| Stee| | keep in mind just because they're bad at sharing knowledge doesn't mean they're egotistical | 10:20 |
| Stee| | it often just means their brain doesn't work the same way as yours | 10:20 |
| delinquentme | l'Hopitals rule!!!!!1 | 10:20 |
| delinquentme | lolol | 10:20 |
| delinquentme | OH, man. | 10:20 |
| delinquentme | Stee|, true true! | 10:20 |
| @kanzure | that's some pretty basic calculus you're going over.. | 10:20 |
| @kanzure | what is it, something like the limit of the ratio of two functions is the same as the limit of a ratio of the two function's derivatives.. | 10:21 |
| @kanzure | been a while | 10:21 |
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| klafka | man my other computer is too cold to touch atm | 10:34 |
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| Lucas___ | hello | 11:15 |
| @kanzure | nope | 11:15 |
| archels | Hi Lucas___. | 11:23 |
| Lucas___ | so I finally visited NYC resistor | 11:23 |
| @kanzure | was that your first hackerspace | 11:29 |
| Lucas___ | the first one I visited, no (that was Genspace), but it was the first one we worked in | 11:30 |
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| Mariu | see you later guys | 11:58 |
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| delinquentme | so yeah real analysis is deceptively simple yet complex | 13:21 |
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| @kanzure | this valve control scheme looks ok: | 13:30 |
| @kanzure | http://docs.lib.purdue.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1339&context=nanopub&sei-redir=1&referer=http%3A%2F%2Fscholar.google.com%2Fscholar%3Fhl%3Den%26q%3Dmicrofluidic%2Belectromagnetic%2Bvalve%2Barray%26btnG%3DSearch%26as_sdt%3D0%252C44%26as_ylo%3D%26as_vis%3D0#search=%22microfluidic%20electromagnetic%20valve%20array%22 | 13:30 |
| @kanzure | see the diagram at the top of page 3 | 13:30 |
| @kanzure | the main problem with this is that you can only lay it out for a single line of chambers/control.. | 13:30 |
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| delinquentme | klafka, thoughts on the Rockefeller university? | 14:04 |
| @kanzure | tdcs stuff http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3525744 | 14:08 |
| @kanzure | "There should be a site where one could subscribe to new tech discoveries that are likely to be marketed soon* (i.e. this one) to get an email when it happens." | 14:11 |
| uniqanomaly_ | "left means left from the perspective of the subject, but right from the perspective of a viewer viewing the subject's face" wtf | 14:11 |
| @kanzure | meh | 14:11 |
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| @kanzure | god this is horrible http://boards.420chan.org/b/res/2296875.php | 14:26 |
| @kanzure | why oh why did anyone give publicity to that | 14:26 |
| @kanzure | bbc segment on biocurious http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkNEIXlt8rg | 14:29 |
| yashgaroth | why is lepht considered a biohacker, can't we sequester that shit into bodyhacking or something | 14:29 |
| @kanzure | it is bodyhacking.. | 14:30 |
| @kanzure | wired ran this horrible article called "diy transhumanism" about lepht | 14:30 |
| yashgaroth | yeah but not biohacking per se, you'd think that would involve dna or protein by definition | 14:30 |
| @kanzure | shrug | 14:31 |
| @kanzure | yashgaroth: my problem with lepht isn't the finger splicing | 14:31 |
| @kanzure | yashgaroth: the anti-pain-killer stance and psychoticism. | 14:32 |
| @kanzure | "i have been known to slice my arms open for shits'n'giggles, sure, and do a fair amount of damage in the process (none of this emo cat-scratch bullshit, i've split my arm to the tendons like the little psychopath i sort of am), but this is not something i do when properly medicated. i need a better way of communicating that." | 14:32 |
| @kanzure | at least they took down her "watch me scream in pain while doing an implant procedure!" video | 14:33 |
| yashgaroth | heh | 14:34 |
| @kanzure | that's not ok. | 14:34 |
| yashgaroth | I didn't know that about her, but am not surprised in the least | 14:35 |
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| klafka | i don't really know too much about it delinquentme | 15:34 |
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| @kanzure | http://soterixmedical.com/tdcs.php | 17:51 |
| uniqanomaly__ | is there an app for that? | 17:53 |
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| Mokbortolan_ | Whoo! | 18:55 |
| delinquentme | kanzure, what is that? | 19:03 |
| Stee| | Mok, did you see kanzure's link? | 19:19 |
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| Mokbortolan_ | Stee|: nope | 19:28 |
| Mokbortolan_ | link? | 19:29 |
| Stee| | http://soterixmedical.com/tdcs.php | 19:29 |
| Stee| | I think that was relevant to what you were looking at | 19:30 |
| * ybit does the avalou around augur | 19:35 | |
| augur | ybit: i will murder your face | 19:35 |
| augur | also hi | 19:35 |
| ybit | not if this dance hurts your first, hi. | 19:36 |
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| Mokbortolan_ | steel: it is, a bit, thanks! | 19:39 |
| Mokbortolan_ | tho, I'd do better with the device's schematics :p | 19:39 |
| augur | ybit: sup | 19:41 |
| ybit | oh, i just wanted to try out a voodoo dance on you | 19:44 |
| ybit | you should be feeling something here soon | 19:44 |
| augur | ybit: well im getting sick so it might not work | 19:45 |
| augur | or maybe your voodoo dance went back in time and made me sick :( | 19:45 |
| ybit | i think this is how it works, yes | 19:45 |
| @kanzure | Mokbortolan_: that's just the commercial crap | 19:46 |
| @kanzure | Mokbortolan_: the non-commercial tdcs stuff has schematics | 19:46 |
| @kanzure | *have | 19:46 |
| ybit | sorry you're getting sick, i came down with food poisoning on the 19th so i'm reminded of how crappy sickness is | 19:46 |
| * ybit feels augur's pain and quits dancing | 19:47 | |
| @kanzure | you should consider not eating | 19:47 |
| @kanzure | also, don't ingest food poisoning | 19:47 |
| augur | ybit: well, im just getting a cold or something so | 19:47 |
| ybit | augur: when you feel better and ready to teach an ignorant being part 3 of the wonderful world of formal grammars, i'll be available thursday thursday-early saturday morning | 19:49 |
| * ybit has http://www.ebay.com/itm/Reprap-Prusa-Mendel-SAE-3D-Printer-ABS-Parts-Neon-Green-/110813833381?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item19cd04e8a5 coming his way | 19:50 | |
| Mokbortolan_ | kanzure: on that site, or elsewhere? | 20:01 |
| Mokbortolan_ | I've been poking around for schematics and I haven't found much | 20:02 |
| @kanzure | definitely not on that site.. yeah | 20:03 |
| @kanzure | it will be mostly in papers | 20:03 |
| @kanzure | why do you want tdcs anyway? shouldn't you aim for something with more specificity anyway? | 20:03 |
| @kanzure | anyway anyway anyway anyway | 20:03 |
| Mokbortolan_ | it seems fairly simple and safe, with some interesting results | 20:05 |
| Mokbortolan_ | about as close to tMS as you can get without a few tens of thousands of dollars to drop on equipment | 20:06 |
| zach342 | Mokbortolan_: have you taken a look at this? http://brmlab.cz/project/brain_hacking/tdcs | 20:08 |
| Mokbortolan_ | yes | 20:08 |
| Mokbortolan_ | and then I saw this: http://forum.allaboutcircuits.com/showthread.php?t=63037 | 20:08 |
| Mokbortolan_ | which basically says that standard regulators can't work reliably with such low output current | 20:09 |
| * Mokbortolan_ is looking for low-current regulators. | 20:10 | |
| zach342 | it needs 1 mA, correct? | 20:13 |
| Mokbortolan_ | funny that that thread was closed due to forum guidelines :p | 20:13 |
| Mokbortolan_ | it needs to output 1-2ma | 20:13 |
| Mokbortolan_ | *reliably* :p | 20:13 |
| Mokbortolan_ | my current setup seems to work fairly well, I wired an ammeter up to it and pretty reliably get 2ma during use | 20:14 |
| zach342 | is this you? http://www.reddit.com/r/geek/comments/p2crm/how_i_created_my_own_brain_stimulator/ | 20:17 |
| zach342 | because that doesn't seem very 'reliable' tbh | 20:19 |
| zach342 | so on digikey the lowest voltage regulators like the l317 go is 5mA | 20:22 |
| zach342 | but not a lot of them are three pin | 20:24 |
| ybit | seemingly related i volunteered myself to be shocked with a 6V battery the other day in class and i too experienced an active mind for an hour, re:"I noticed a bit of hyper-focus at first that seemed to help, but the effect dropped off noticeably within about an hour." from the reddit article | 20:26 |
| * ybit has what's needed for this but decides to stick with coffee and lisdexamfetamine | 20:28 | |
| zach342 | lisdexamfetamine would probably blow this out of the water anyway | 20:29 |
| Mokbortolan_ | no, that's not me | 20:30 |
| Mokbortolan_ | this is me: http://www.reddit.com/r/tDCS/comments/ma2xv/simple_tdcs_device_design_thoughts/ | 20:30 |
| Mokbortolan_ | pfft | 20:31 |
| Mokbortolan_ | speaker wire and red dots | 20:31 |
| * ybit sleeps | 20:32 | |
| zach342 | yours looks 100 times safer | 20:34 |
| zach342 | and more likely to actually do something | 20:34 |
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| Mokbortolan_ | I'm using saline-soaked cosmetic sponges hot-glued to copper discs as electrodes | 20:44 |
| Mokbortolan_ | I tried finding something suitable on ebay, but everything was either not right or too expensive | 20:44 |
| Mokbortolan_ | (the hot-melt glue doesn't form a barrier between the discs and the sponge) | 20:45 |
| Mokbortolan_ | hehehe, it's a step up from the retina-stimulator I built when I was 18 :p | 20:46 |
| @kanzure | why your retina | 20:47 |
| Mokbortolan_ | well, that's what it turned out to be | 20:47 |
| zach342 | what was it supposed to be? | 20:47 |
| Mokbortolan_ | it was supposed to stimulate "visuals" | 20:48 |
| Mokbortolan_ | I can't quite remember the details though | 20:48 |
| Mokbortolan_ | all I ever got out of it was flashes of light, which, looking back, seems about right | 20:48 |
| @kanzure | why can a visual be stimulated | 20:49 |
| @kanzure | do you mean simulate? | 20:49 |
| Mokbortolan_ | more or less the same thing, I suppose | 20:51 |
| Mokbortolan_ | it was more of a "someone smarter than me designed this, so I'll just follow directions and hope it works" sort of a thing | 20:51 |
| Mokbortolan_ | it was in line with my interest at the time in the "neurophone" | 20:52 |
| Mokbortolan_ | http://www.worldtrans.org/spir/neuro.html | 20:53 |
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| Mokbortolan_ | any of you guys hang out in #spiritplants back in the mid to late 90's? | 20:56 |
| Mokbortolan_ | or whatever it was called at the time | 20:56 |
| Stee| | I was, uh, 8 in the late 90s? | 20:57 |
| Mokbortolan_ | stop making me feel old! | 20:57 |
| zach342 | was it hallucinogens? | 20:59 |
| Mokbortolan_ | was what hallucinogens? | 20:59 |
| zach342 | spiritplants? | 20:59 |
| Mokbortolan_ | it was a chat room | 21:00 |
| Mokbortolan_ | and a forum | 21:00 |
| zach342 | was it dedicated to anything in particular? | 21:00 |
| Mokbortolan_ | entheogens | 21:00 |
| Mokbortolan_ | cultivation, use, and other topics of interest | 21:00 |
| zach342 | ah makes sense | 21:01 |
| Mokbortolan_ | back before you could buy salvia anywhere except sketchy badly-made websites of stores in other countries :p | 21:03 |
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| Stee| | yeah, I never hang out anywhere near places with drugs--or at least try to avoid | 21:07 |
| Mokbortolan_ | like, aspirin? | 21:07 |
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| Mokbortolan_ | or the datura growing in your grandma's yard? :p | 21:08 |
| Stee| | illegal drugs | 21:09 |
| Mokbortolan_ | Oh, me too | 21:09 |
| Mokbortolan_ | I'm talking about strictly herbal, shamanic stuff | 21:09 |
| Mokbortolan_ | most illegal drugs aren't what you'd call entheogens anyway | 21:10 |
| Stee| | ah | 21:11 |
| Mokbortolan_ | and certainly don't have a histories of use stretching back 10,000+ years | 21:11 |
| Stee| | I'd look at ayurvedic stuff | 21:11 |
| Mokbortolan_ | I'm talking about the basis of religious practice for groups prior to the modern era | 21:12 |
| Mokbortolan_ | ecstatic states used to be just part of the fabric of everyday life, now they're either vague cultural memories, cause for imprisonment, or still in use in the very far corners of the world | 21:13 |
| Mokbortolan_ | or down the street, there's actually a UDV church fairly close to my house | 21:14 |
| Mokbortolan_ | these guys didn't pontificate on the existence of god, they met him and WERE him on a weekly/monthly basis | 21:15 |
| Mokbortolan_ | Of course, the Catholic church doesn't take kindly to folks bypassing them and experiencing the divine for themselves, so they killed anybody who did that | 21:18 |
| Stee| | hah | 21:20 |
| Stee| | I don't really do psychoactives unless it's of the (as much as you can say this) enhancement variety | 21:20 |
| Mokbortolan_ | and as a result, we (the descendents of those Catholics) now harbor a significant bias against mysticism | 21:20 |
| Mokbortolan_ | I wouldn't recommend it, honestly | 21:20 |
| Mokbortolan_ | without proper guidance and cultural controls surrounding the use, they can in fact be quite dangerous | 21:21 |
| Stee| | Eh, I was raised jewish :P | 21:21 |
| Mokbortolan_ | the ancient jews had some interesting rituals | 21:21 |
| Stee| | I'm fond of the story where the rabbi sat in a cave for ten years meditating | 21:22 |
| Mokbortolan_ | the only one I'm familiar with is the one where they soak a few pounds of cannabis in a few gallons of olive oil, and then soak themselves with it | 21:22 |
| Stee| | and a tree grew to feed him | 21:22 |
| Stee| | when he stepped outside, the fields lit on fire from his holiness | 21:22 |
| Stee| | LASER HOLINESS | 21:22 |
| Mokbortolan_ | sounds a bit like that story of the guy who founded Shaolin | 21:23 |
| Stee| | Ugh. | 21:23 |
| Stee| | I think I need to rederive this equation | 21:23 |
| Stee| | it's time to math | 21:24 |
| Mokbortolan_ | what do Francis Crick and Kary Mullis have in common? | 21:24 |
| yashgaroth | yeah yeah lsd, also being huge douchebags coincidentally | 21:25 |
| Mokbortolan_ | I was gonna say that they made incredible realizations despite the surely demonic and psychotic influence of that horrible drug they were on | 21:25 |
| klafka | crick is a douchebag? | 21:25 |
| Mokbortolan_ | real troopers | 21:26 |
| klafka | um | 21:26 |
| klafka | i've never heard him described that way | 21:26 |
| klafka | watson yes | 21:26 |
| klafka | but not crick | 21:26 |
| yashgaroth | oh whoops you're right | 21:26 |
| klafka | every account i've heard of crick was that he was fucking awesome | 21:26 |
| klafka | and a genius | 21:26 |
| klafka | straight up until his death | 21:26 |
| yashgaroth | he was a bit paranoid supposedly | 21:26 |
| Stee| | kanzure, do you care at all about useful equations for profiling a tiny droplet (femto/picoliter scale) on a surface? | 21:26 |
| klafka | heh | 21:27 |
| yashgaroth | also lsd is supposed to be a great neuroenhancer in tiny doses, though I've never had that little | 21:27 |
| Mokbortolan_ | james watson sure did get into some hot water | 21:27 |
| @kanzure | Stee|: sure | 21:27 |
| Stee| | I'll just email it to you I think | 21:28 |
| Stee| | this is actually a draft, so it might have more data than the legit published paper | 21:28 |
| @kanzure | "this is actually a draft, so it might not sound like i had a hernia on the toilet while writing it" | 21:28 |
| Stee| | it's not mine | 21:28 |
| Stee| | heh | 21:28 |
| Stee| | it's a primary source for my thesis though | 21:29 |
| @kanzure | ah | 21:29 |
| @kanzure | but yeah, somehow everything i draft somehow gets turned into this terse stuff | 21:29 |
| Stee| | you're a terse dude | 21:42 |
| Stee| | my writing is, hmm | 21:42 |
| Stee| | bombastic perhaps | 21:42 |
| @kanzure | i mean, anything that i give to an academic | 21:43 |
| @kanzure | gets turned into something terse | 21:43 |
| @kanzure | most people don't naturally write like the text in papers | 21:43 |
| @kanzure | the hernia thing was a joke.. | 21:43 |
| @kanzure | thought it would be more obvious | 21:44 |
| Stee| | haha | 21:45 |
| Stee| | I don't know, precisely | 21:45 |
| Stee| | It feels rather natural to write papers for me | 21:45 |
| @kanzure | engineering papers are always clean | 21:51 |
| @kanzure | organic chem and molecular bio- not so much | 21:52 |
| klafka | ? | 21:54 |
| @kanzure | organic chem journals | 21:55 |
| klafka | aah | 21:57 |
| klafka | i mean what do you mean by clean | 21:57 |
| klafka | speaking of papers | 21:58 |
| klafka | anyone want to get me some? | 21:58 |
| Mokbortolan_ | hmm | 22:00 |
| Mokbortolan_ | lemme look | 22:00 |
| yashgaroth | don't suppose you have access to Current Gene Therapy? | 22:00 |
| Mokbortolan_ | PMID: 21995999 | 22:00 |
| Mokbortolan_ | PMID: 21459149 | 22:00 |
| Mokbortolan_ | PMID: 20042788 | 22:00 |
| Stee| | I have access to a lot of shit, yashgaroth | 22:01 |
| Mokbortolan_ | PMID: 21790807 | 22:01 |
| Mokbortolan_ | PMID: 22019079 | 22:01 |
| Mokbortolan_ | and that's it | 22:01 |
| Mokbortolan_ | :p | 22:02 |
| Stee| | mok, you need those papers or that's what you have access to? | 22:02 |
| Mokbortolan_ | need | 22:02 |
| Mokbortolan_ | want, really | 22:02 |
| Stee| | got actual paper names? | 22:02 |
| Mokbortolan_ | anything you care to get, or not get, would be fine | 22:02 |
| Mokbortolan_ | pubmed | 22:02 |
| yashgaroth | if you can get me this http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/ben/cgt/2011/00000011/00000006/art00004 I would certainly appreciate | 22:03 |
| Mokbortolan_ | Modulating oscillatory brain activity correlates of behavioral inhibition using transcranial direct current stimulation. | 22:03 |
| klafka | ah never mind | 22:03 |
| Mokbortolan_ | :p | 22:03 |
| Stee| | shit, no access yashgaroth | 22:03 |
| yashgaroth | it's okay, no one does really | 22:04 |
| Stee| | we don't have a sub | 22:04 |
| Stee| | ask on reddit | 22:04 |
| yashgaroth | klafka: I assume by 'clean' he meant easily repeatable and with small error bars, among other things | 22:04 |
| klafka | ooh | 22:04 |
| Stee| | I have access to that one, Mokbortolan_ | 22:04 |
| klafka | well that's definitely not computer science | 22:04 |
| klafka | :P | 22:04 |
| @kanzure | yashgaroth: http://reddit.com/r/scholar | 22:07 |
| @kanzure | yashgaroth: can you give me the link to the pdf itself | 22:08 |
| @kanzure | it would make it easier for me to grab it | 22:08 |
| Stee| | kanzure, brian or bryan? | 22:09 |
| Stee| | plugging you for Abundance again | 22:09 |
| @kanzure | bryan | 22:09 |
| Stee| | former director, not current | 22:09 |
| yashgaroth | that url's as close as I can get, kanzure | 22:09 |
| Stee| | correct? | 22:09 |
| @kanzure | former | 22:10 |
| @kanzure | yashgaroth: check the html source | 22:10 |
| Stee| | "The other interested party I mentioned, by the way, is Bryan Bishop, former R&D Director of Humanity+, and who has several colleagues in common with Peter Diamandis." | 22:10 |
| Stee| | acceptable? | 22:11 |
| @kanzure | yashgaroth: i can't see where the download link is, sorry | 22:11 |
| @kanzure | but i do have access | 22:11 |
| @kanzure | Stee|: sure.. | 22:11 |
| yashgaroth | it all seems to be hidden behind javascript, nothing in the source I can pinpoint | 22:12 |
| @kanzure | hidden! | 22:13 |
| @kanzure | i guess you're not a javascript person huh | 22:13 |
| @kanzure | you have to feel the source flowing | 22:14 |
| klafka | heh | 22:14 |
| yashgaroth | ffffffff | 22:15 |
| klafka | the js must flow | 22:18 |
| klafka | he who controls the javascript controls the universe | 22:18 |
| @kanzure | yashgaroth: yeh i don't see it either :) | 22:23 |
| yashgaroth | can you view the page through a library proxy? | 22:25 |
| @kanzure | yes | 22:25 |
| @kanzure | i still don't see it | 22:25 |
| Stee| | hmm | 22:26 |
| Stee| | what does it take to have a private institution be allowed to share access to a journal with its members | 22:26 |
| Stee| | if it's a small institution? | 22:26 |
| @kanzure | wtf? <input type="hidden" name="art0" value="infobike://ben/cgt/2011/00000011/00000006/art00004"/> | 22:26 |
| @kanzure | Stee|: big pockets | 22:26 |
| Stee| | bleh | 22:26 |
| @kanzure | yashgaroth: ah. i have access, but not complete access through my regular source | 22:27 |
| @kanzure | so i'm logged in, but it still shows me a checkout cart | 22:28 |
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| @kanzure | hi bluemarble | 22:28 |
| bluemarble | hello | 22:28 |
| @kanzure | what brings you around | 22:28 |
| yashgaroth | even my old school didn't have access for articles <1 year old | 22:28 |
| bluemarble | new here, looking for h+ chat | 22:28 |
| klafka | wow that sucks yashgaroth | 22:29 |
| klafka | kanzure so i've started to consider berkeley | 22:29 |
| @kanzure | for what | 22:29 |
| klafka | place to live | 22:29 |
| klafka | i'm just trying to keep you abreast of my living situation | 22:29 |
| klafka | i know you find it endlessly fascinating | 22:29 |
| klafka | :P | 22:29 |
| @kanzure | oh, i thought you meant the university. | 22:29 |
| @kanzure | you could just sleep in a lab somewhere | 22:30 |
| klafka | haha | 22:30 |
| klafka | i'll break into michael jordan's lab | 22:30 |
| klafka | sleep there | 22:30 |
| @kanzure | i'm sure they wouldn't mind? "will write papers for place to sleep" | 22:30 |
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| klafka | berkeley doesn't offer MS programs | 22:31 |
| klafka | :( | 22:31 |
| klafka | actually maybe they do | 22:31 |
| klafka | but only as full time | 22:31 |
| @kanzure | maybe you should do a correspondence degree with the national university of vietnam | 22:32 |
| klafka | lol maybe | 22:32 |
| klafka | well stanford offers part time / online degrees | 22:32 |
| @kanzure | is there any way you could get credit for doing one of my hairbrained projects, or a nootropics app | 22:33 |
| klafka | LOL | 22:33 |
| klafka | probably not | 22:33 |
| @kanzure | i've seen degrees for much less, man | 22:33 |
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| bluemarble_ | whut up | 22:34 |
| Mokbortolan_ | Howdy | 22:35 |
| Stee| | independent projects | 22:36 |
| bluemarble_ | steel I'm looking at that reddit thread you posted on r/transhuman about chat | 22:36 |
| bluemarble_ | brought me here | 22:36 |
| * Mokbortolan_ buys an LM334 linear regulator. | 22:36 | |
| Mokbortolan_ | -n | 22:36 |
| Mokbortolan_ | chat is awesome | 22:37 |
| Stee| | haha, cool | 22:37 |
| Mokbortolan_ | RFC 1459 is my favorite | 22:37 |
| bluemarble_ | I feel like it | 22:37 |
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| bluemarble_ | it's impossible to connect with the transhumanist community online | 22:38 |
| Mokbortolan_ | 1149's pretty good too | 22:38 |
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| Stee| | bluemarble_, I'm trying to fix that :P | 22:39 |
| bluemarble_ | Yeah I would love to spearhead that as well, just not sure what I could do | 22:39 |
| bluemarble_ | I feel like the the transhumanist ideology stands to blow up over the next 20 years, I'm sure there are tons of people online who want to be in contact with eachother | 22:41 |
| @kanzure | ideology? | 22:41 |
| Stee| | oh god | 22:42 |
| @kanzure | oh god | 22:42 |
| Stee| | kanzure, no scaring them off | 22:42 |
| @kanzure | RAWR | 22:42 |
| * kanzure has fire nostrils | 22:42 | |
| @kanzure | bluemarble_: maybe it's impossible to connect because you're not contributing | 22:42 |
| Stee| | kanzure is remarkable tetchy about philosophy and ideology, and wants more people to just do the science | 22:42 |
| Stee| | See above | 22:42 |
| Stee| | I'm very much in the help people connect camp :P | 22:42 |
| @kanzure | bluemarble_: however, i don't actually know you | 22:42 |
| @kanzure | Stee|: anyone with half a brain can press "add friend" on facebook.. big deal | 22:43 |
| Stee| | facebook is not a good discussion medium | 22:43 |
| bluemarble_ | what do you have against the ideology of it? the science is only one aspect behind bringing these things to fruition | 22:43 |
| Stee| | inb4 'too much talking, not enough doing' | 22:44 |
| @kanzure | well, because lots of people have believed it's about talking | 22:44 |
| @kanzure | and they have been around for 30+ years | 22:44 |
| @kanzure | and are still in the same boat. | 22:44 |
| klafka | heh bcause talking doesn't actually get you anywhere | 22:44 |
| klafka | unfortunately | 22:44 |
| @kanzure | if you wish to join them, by all means go join them.. it will definitely all be new to you | 22:44 |
| klafka | if wishes were fishes there'd be no room for the sea | 22:45 |
| Stee| | I take a decidedly less cynical view | 22:45 |
| @kanzure | it's not cynical | 22:45 |
| Stee| | since I believe a cultural zeitgueist is useful | 22:45 |
| klafka | what does talking about stuff accomplish without action? | 22:45 |
| bluemarble_ | I disagree that talking gets you nowhere in the big picture, if the general population has no idea what is possible, aren't we losing a ton of potential scientists? | 22:45 |
| @kanzure | klafka: something about "badges" apparently... i dunno ;) | 22:45 |
| Stee| | Yeah, bluemarble_, you're on the page with me | 22:46 |
| klafka | i believe cultural zeitgeist are driven by change in tech | 22:46 |
| klafka | fuck off | 22:46 |
| klafka | :P | 22:46 |
| * klafka wears his badgeville shirt | 22:46 | |
| @kanzure | Stee|: stop pretending to agree with him | 22:46 |
| Stee| | I'm mostly agreeing with him, dude | 22:46 |
| Stee| | we've had this argument | 22:46 |
| Stee| | bluemarble_, are you on mibbit? | 22:46 |
| klafka | oh ok | 22:46 |
| klafka | the fuck off was directed at kanzure | 22:46 |
| klafka | btw | 22:46 |
| @kanzure | what you're doing is coercive and socially irresponsible | 22:46 |
| @kanzure | you don't even know him | 22:46 |
| @kanzure | klafka: hah :) | 22:47 |
| Stee| | I don't know half the world. | 22:47 |
| Stee| | And I'm generally coercive and socially irresponsible by certain definitions. | 22:47 |
| @kanzure | Stee|: you're agreeing with him, but assuming what his views are | 22:47 |
| Stee| | I'm agreeing with what I perceive from his stated words | 22:47 |
| Stee| | whoops | 22:47 |
| @kanzure | this is a common tactic when making friends | 22:47 |
| @kanzure | first you agree, doesn;'t matter on what | 22:47 |
| klafka | hahaha | 22:47 |
| @kanzure | but it turns out you have different views anyway | 22:47 |
| Stee| | Dude, I have espoused these exact same things though | 22:47 |
| Stee| | maybe we perceive it differently | 22:47 |
| @kanzure | yes but these things don't actually have much substance | 22:47 |
| @kanzure | it's like saying | 22:48 |
| @kanzure | "yes i too believe in consciousness" | 22:48 |
| Stee| | no, it's not | 22:48 |
| bluemarble_ | I don't know how you could be opposed to talking about it, not everybody is suited for the research aspect of it, just as not everybody is suited for the talking | 22:48 |
| Stee| | bluemarble_, are you on mibbit? | 22:48 |
| @kanzure | bluemarble_: that's a live and let live mindset | 22:48 |
| bluemarble_ | nah I'm not | 22:48 |
| @kanzure | bluemarble_: do you want to be a transhuman or not? and how badly do you want it. | 22:48 |
| Stee| | check your PMs then (yes, kanzure, I know, keep it in the open) | 22:49 |
| klafka | we already are transhumans kanzure | 22:49 |
| @kanzure | bluemarble_: building things is just as important as literacy | 22:49 |
| klafka | please | 22:49 |
| @kanzure | saying that people aren't good at it, | 22:49 |
| @kanzure | is like saying "oh well, so much for improving ourselves" | 22:49 |
| @kanzure | then what's the whole point of all this? | 22:49 |
| klafka | :P | 22:49 |
| klafka | to be more transhuman! | 22:49 |
| * kanzure goes away grumpy | 22:50 | |
| klafka | the most transhuman! | 22:50 |
| Stee| | transhuman is a process not a point, perhaps. | 22:50 |
| bluemarble_ | No I'm just not understanding why you would be against raising discussion and awareness about the topic | 22:50 |
| @kanzure | yes, it's a process, and refusing to participate and be a cheerleader is just annoying to me | 22:50 |
| @kanzure | bluemarble_: what do you need to talk about | 22:50 |
| @kanzure | we're all happy to help | 22:50 |
| bluemarble_ | a lot of things need to change for transhumanism to become mainstream, laws need to change for one | 22:51 |
| klafka | i'm not really sure what the philosophy of transhumanism is | 22:51 |
| klafka | seems like it's fairly fractured | 22:51 |
| Stee| | bluemarble_: what's your background? | 22:51 |
| @kanzure | bluemarble_: i don't think it being mainstream matters | 22:51 |
| bluemarble_ | college student in California | 22:51 |
| @kanzure | klafka: extropy mostly.. | 22:51 |
| Stee| | bluemarble_, what field? | 22:51 |
| @kanzure | klafka: http://www.maxmore.com/extprn3.htm | 22:51 |
| bluemarble_ | Economics | 22:51 |
| Stee| | okay | 22:52 |
| @kanzure | bluemarble_: you should make financial instruments around transhuman technologies. that would be helpful. | 22:52 |
| Stee| | yeah, agreeing with kanzure | 22:52 |
| Stee| | get good at math | 22:52 |
| Stee| | uh | 22:52 |
| Stee| | examine implications of post-scarcity/minimal scarcity systems | 22:52 |
| Stee| | alternately | 22:52 |
| Stee| | get rich as fuck with quant finance | 22:52 |
| Stee| | fund research | 22:52 |
| @kanzure | klafka: Perpetual Progress — Seeking more intelligence, wisdom, and effectiveness, an indefinite lifespan, and the removal of political, cultural, biological, and psychological limits to self-actualization and self-realization. Perpetually overcoming constraints on our progress and possibilities. Expanding into the universe and advancing without end. | 22:53 |
| @kanzure | klafka: Self-Transformation — Affirming continual moral, intellectual, and physical self-improvement, through critical and creative thinking, personal responsibility, and experimentation. Seeking biological and neurological augmentation along with emotional and psychological refinement. | 22:53 |
| @kanzure | klafka: Practical Optimism — Fueling action with positive expectations. Adopting a rational, action-based optimism, in place of both blind faith and stagnant pessimism | 22:53 |
| @kanzure | klafka: Intelligent Technology — Applying science and technology creatively to transcend "natural" limits imposed by our biological heritage, culture, and environment. Seeing technology not as an end in itself but as an effective means towards the improvement of life. | 22:53 |
| klafka | is this like Transhumanism as opposed to transhumanism | 22:53 |
| @kanzure | klafka: Open Society — Supporting social orders that foster freedom of speech, freedom of action, and experimentation. Opposing authoritarian social control and favoring the rule of law and decentralization of power. Preferring bargaining over battling, and exchange over compulsion. Openness to improvement rather than a static utopia | 22:53 |
| @kanzure | klafka: Self-Direction — Seeking independent thinking, individual freedom, personal responsibility, self-direction, self-esteem, and respect for others | 22:53 |
| @kanzure | klafka: Rational Thinking — Favoring reason | 22:53 |
| @kanzure | klafka: wut | 22:53 |
| bluemarble_ | haha yeah I'm thinking something along those lines, I strongly feel that transhumanism as a whole would benefit greatly by bringing attention to it, maybe it's just me but I see it as something that will possibly displace religion here in America | 22:53 |
| Stee| | Hmmm | 22:54 |
| klafka | religion exists because of a ton of inertia and stupidity | 22:54 |
| bluemarble_ | People don't know what is possible with the right technology | 22:54 |
| Stee| | I don't think so | 22:54 |
| Stee| | though that's a valid interpretation | 22:54 |
| Stee| | I find it much more likely that most people won't even notice it | 22:54 |
| klafka | hmm bluemarble_ idk, i think transhumanism is really overly optimistic | 22:54 |
| Stee| | how many people think about the implication of smartphones--especially people growing up with them? | 22:54 |
| Stee| | or wikipedia | 22:55 |
| klafka | and yeah that's the thing | 22:55 |
| klafka | people are stupid | 22:55 |
| @kanzure | who cares if they are stupid? | 22:55 |
| @kanzure | what does that matter | 22:55 |
| bluemarble_ | Smartphones don't potentially offer transcendence or indefinite lifespans | 22:55 |
| klafka | they aren't going to be self aware of the zeitgeist in which they live | 22:55 |
| Stee| | notably | 22:55 |
| Stee| | this means more money for me | 22:55 |
| Stee| | thank god | 22:55 |
| bluemarble_ | I think transhumanism stands to turn into a secular spirituality for people | 22:56 |
| Stee| | blegh, spirituality | 22:56 |
| klafka | why would it be spiritual? | 22:56 |
| klafka | why do you think people will adopt this mantra | 22:56 |
| Stee| | klafka: certain brains are wired that way, possibly | 22:57 |
| bluemarble_ | because like I said, it potentially offers things that only religion has been able to previously | 22:57 |
| klafka | i frankly see lots of rigorous restrictions on tech looming outside of military uses | 22:57 |
| @kanzure | ok if that was true, | 22:57 |
| klafka | because people fear the unknown | 22:57 |
| @kanzure | then why isn't science a religion | 22:57 |
| @kanzure | i think this breaks your argument. | 22:58 |
| Stee| | kanzure: it is treated like one | 22:58 |
| Stee| | by a lot of people | 22:58 |
| bluemarble_ | science isn't a religion because at the moment it can't promise these things | 22:58 |
| klafka | idk science certainly extended the average lifespan by a good 30+ years | 22:58 |
| @kanzure | and who exactly has promised you things? | 22:58 |
| bluemarble_ | it's just useful to us, it doesnt offer us unprecedented things that transhumanism might | 22:58 |
| @kanzure | bluemarble_: i want my cool transhumanist tech as much as any one else, | 22:59 |
| @kanzure | or perhaps even more than anyone else | 22:59 |
| @kanzure | so much that i'm willing to do as much of it on my own as i need to | 22:59 |
| @kanzure | it's not a promise, it's a plan.. | 22:59 |
| bluemarble_ | religion is so prevalent because it gives people hope to live eternally and in a utopia, to be a part of something else, more than the human condition | 22:59 |
| Stee| | bluemarble_, keep in mind that while kanzure is acerbic and I disagree with his opinions, he has his reasons for his opinions. | 23:00 |
| Stee| | (just as a note) | 23:00 |
| klafka | heh | 23:00 |
| @kanzure | i should be hugely refreshing to anyone worrying about these technologies | 23:00 |
| @kanzure | no more pop articles that whisk you away | 23:00 |
| klafka | it's true | 23:00 |
| @kanzure | just a man, a plan, and something about a certain country south of the border | 23:01 |
| klafka | also bluemarble_ once you actually do research and science the reality of these promises seem far more epheremal | 23:01 |
| bluemarble_ | Of course he does, I just think he may focusing too much on the science and not enough on the social repercussions of such powerful transformative technologies | 23:01 |
| Stee| | bluemarble_: let him. Let me worry about the social aspects | 23:01 |
| klafka | bluemarble_ it's because the science is hard enough | 23:01 |
| Stee| | *and make money | 23:01 |
| klafka | lol | 23:01 |
| @kanzure | bluemarble_: what do you want to do, prevent access to it? | 23:01 |
| @kanzure | because i gotta admit, i don't like that | 23:01 |
| Stee| | I think he wants to ensure access | 23:01 |
| Stee| | and is worried about other people preventing access | 23:01 |
| @kanzure | if you want to prevent me from doing transhumanist-related things, i will not let you stop me. | 23:01 |
| Stee| | which is my worry, really | 23:02 |
| klafka | kanzure i am pretty convinced the government will do | 23:02 |
| @kanzure | and honestly, i haven't met anyone who has tried to stop me | 23:02 |
| @kanzure | nope | 23:02 |
| klafka | especially the US government | 23:02 |
| @kanzure | government is ok with me | 23:02 |
| klafka | in 5-10 years | 23:02 |
| @kanzure | fbi has been very cooperative | 23:02 |
| klafka | right now | 23:02 |
| klafka | we'll see, 5-10 years | 23:02 |
| bluemarble_ | I'm worried that people wont get their noses out of their stupid fairytales long enough to see whats possible | 23:02 |
| @kanzure | perhaps. i certainly don't want to rely on them.. | 23:02 |
| bluemarble_ | are you all American? | 23:02 |
| Stee| | I am. | 23:02 |
| Stee| | I'm planning on starting the first H+ legal/business consulting firm | 23:02 |
| Stee| | :P | 23:02 |
| bluemarble_ | nice | 23:02 |
| Stee| | in about 10 years | 23:02 |
| klafka | the 3 talking seem to be | 23:02 |
| Stee| | kanzure thinks I'm silling | 23:02 |
| Stee| | *silly | 23:02 |
| Stee| | silling? wtf | 23:02 |
| @kanzure | "consulting" is such a vague term | 23:03 |
| Stee| | I know | 23:03 |
| @kanzure | that's like your tax status | 23:03 |
| Stee| | it's great | 23:03 |
| @kanzure | who cares what your tax status is.. | 23:03 |
| @kanzure | that tells me nothing | 23:03 |
| Stee| | basically tell business/government how to maximize their gains and minimize their downfall, while trying to ensure open access to the technology, minimal civil uprising, and most amount in my wallet | 23:03 |
| bluemarble_ | I want to start some business related to transhumanism | 23:04 |
| bluemarble_ | not sure what that could be | 23:04 |
| Stee| | bluemarble_: go into finance | 23:04 |
| Stee| | get rich | 23:04 |
| Stee| | invest | 23:04 |
| Stee| | seriously | 23:04 |
| klafka | yes | 23:04 |
| klafka | that's what would be useful | 23:04 |
| klafka | make millions/billions | 23:04 |
| klafka | fund H+ research | 23:04 |
| bluemarble_ | I'm not a finance type of guy, I'm an entrepreneur type | 23:04 |
| bluemarble_ | Yes thats what I want to do | 23:05 |
| klafka | make a company that makes millions and billions | 23:05 |
| Stee| | why are you an econ major then? | 23:05 |
| Stee| | haha | 23:05 |
| klafka | fund H+ research | 23:05 |
| bluemarble_ | make millions/billions and dump it into H+ causes | 23:05 |
| bluemarble_ | I am a managerial economics major technically, econ is really great for running a business | 23:05 |
| bluemarble_ | it's all about making the right decisions | 23:05 |
| klafka | hmm | 23:05 |
| Stee| | go work for a hedge fund? | 23:05 |
| Stee| | what are your grades like | 23:05 |
| bluemarble_ | haha how about start a hedge fund | 23:05 |
| klafka | is managerial economics like how to use excel and pretend to work ? | 23:06 |
| Stee| | talk to me in two or three years, I may want someone to manage an H+ hedge fund | 23:06 |
| bluemarble_ | I'm not trying to go to grad school, they're not stellar | 23:06 |
| bluemarble_ | haha that's crazy | 23:06 |
| bluemarble_ | but sounds interesting | 23:06 |
| Stee| | Eh | 23:06 |
| Stee| | I want to start an angel circle | 23:06 |
| Stee| | with other engineers and scientists | 23:06 |
| @kanzure | i thought you wanted to do public media stuff, bluemarble_ | 23:06 |
| Stee| | who can critically evaluate the quality of the proposed business plan's science | 23:07 |
| @kanzure | have we changed your heart already | 23:07 |
| Stee| | no, I don't think we have :P | 23:07 |
| bluemarble_ | No I just think there is a lot of utility in raising awareness of transhumanism, if I get 10 people doing what all of you are doing that is obviously a big help | 23:07 |
| bluemarble_ | I can do much more by inspiring others than working by myself | 23:07 |
| Stee| | bluemarble_: self plugging: my forum will hopefully launch soon | 23:07 |
| @kanzure | jesus | 23:08 |
| @kanzure | not another forum :( | 23:08 |
| bluemarble_ | thats why I dont take the outlook that I will do it on my own and nobody can stop me | 23:08 |
| Stee| | kanzure: oh, fuck off :P | 23:08 |
| klafka | loool | 23:08 |
| @kanzure | what would you do if i just launched my own forum | 23:08 |
| @kanzure | in fact, i'll launch 20 | 23:08 |
| @kanzure | who the hell cares | 23:08 |
| Stee| | depends on the size of your membership and what you're doing with it | 23:08 |
| * kanzure shakes his head | 23:09 | |
| @kanzure | so, these people don't matter to you | 23:09 |
| @kanzure | unless they are registered on phpbb or something? | 23:09 |
| @kanzure | what's up with that | 23:09 |
| Stee| | that's what gives the forum its sway and usefulness | 23:09 |
| Stee| | and also, again, I think the state of the online community is a travesty | 23:10 |
| Stee| | but we've already had this debate twice | 23:10 |
| bluemarble_ | steel what will your forum be like | 23:10 |
| Stee| | I want to focus on providing a persistent space for storage/discussion of projects, papers being released, law/philosophical applications, networking | 23:11 |
| @kanzure | ok why not imminst | 23:11 |
| Stee| | discussion of fashion, architecture, art, music (I may have Posthuman Era interested) | 23:11 |
| Stee| | and have it be well moderated. | 23:11 |
| Stee| | (that's why not imminst) | 23:11 |
| klafka | what is transhumanist music? | 23:11 |
| Stee| | music with transhumanist themes | 23:11 |
| Stee| | things to get it into the popular mind | 23:11 |
| @kanzure | they have a forum | 23:11 |
| @kanzure | http://www.longecity.org/forum/ | 23:11 |
| @kanzure | ok go volunteer to moderate it, dude | 23:12 |
| @kanzure | don't be a stranger | 23:12 |
| bluemarble_ | what are some example of transhumanist music? | 23:12 |
| Stee| | check out posthuman era and ancient lasers. those are the most explicit example I know of | 23:12 |
| @kanzure | Stee|: oh unless you're arguing that, it would be better to do it on your own ;) | 23:12 |
| Stee| | Quite possibly :) | 23:13 |
| Stee| | Or maybe I'm a powerhungry narcissist | 23:13 |
| @kanzure | yeah.. that's why i don't like your plan. | 23:13 |
| Stee| | oh well :P | 23:14 |
| bluemarble_ | I just signed up on mibbit | 23:14 |
| @kanzure | bluemarble_: are you interning somewhere? | 23:14 |
| Stee| | bluemarble_: I just asked about mibbit because you weren't responding to my pms :P | 23:15 |
| @kanzure | you said something about college | 23:15 |
| bluemarble_ | I just finished an entrepreneurship internship | 23:15 |
| Stee| | where? | 23:15 |
| bluemarble_ | with a startup near sacramento | 23:15 |
| bluemarble_ | they also have an established parent company | 23:16 |
| bluemarble_ | the owner is pretty badass, down to earth chinese guy who came here with nothing | 23:16 |
| @kanzure | Stee|: so, would you say that you absolutely insist on a forum before you'd contribute to one of the projects in here? | 23:16 |
| @kanzure | is that's what's going on? i need to know. | 23:16 |
| Stee| | No? I think it's good for the community | 23:17 |
| Stee| | I won't likely work on projects specifically in here instead of my own because I don't really do bio, and my talents are more useful (engineering wise) elsewhere | 23:17 |
| Stee| | good for the community, my reputation, visibility, and a central place to store shit | 23:18 |
| @kanzure | there's lots of engineering projects in here | 23:18 |
| @kanzure | software, mechanical, bio, electronic | 23:18 |
| klafka | i think the fact is 'transhumanism' is something that is an inexorable event due to emergent technology | 23:18 |
| klafka | maybe not transhumanism | 23:18 |
| Stee| | and I'll likely take a look at them once I'm done with my thesis | 23:18 |
| yashgaroth | there's hardly any bio in here :( | 23:18 |
| @kanzure | klafka: do you mean the singularity.. | 23:18 |
| klafka | yashgaroth um what | 23:18 |
| klafka | kanzure ugh | 23:18 |
| klafka | no | 23:18 |
| klafka | well maybe | 23:18 |
| klafka | but i'm pretty skeptical about the singularity | 23:18 |
| @kanzure | huh? "an inexorable event" | 23:19 |
| @kanzure | transhumanism isn't an event to my knowledge | 23:19 |
| Mokbortolan_ | it's really just going to be a cell phone | 23:19 |
| Mokbortolan_ | Motorola Cingularity | 23:19 |
| Mokbortolan_ | for AT&T | 23:19 |
| @kanzure | Mokbortolan_: Motorola Life Sciences was a thing. | 23:19 |
| klafka | oh i guess i just mean radical technological changes | 23:19 |
| klafka | it doesn't have to be a singularity though | 23:19 |
| Mokbortolan_ | launching dec. 21 2012 | 23:19 |
| @kanzure | Mokbortolan_: who was it that bought cingular? | 23:20 |
| Mokbortolan_ | the must-have gift for the christmas season | 23:20 |
| Mokbortolan_ | AT&T | 23:20 |
| @kanzure | bleh | 23:20 |
| klafka | att | 23:21 |
| yashgaroth | klafka: I mean molecular genetics & related fields, and that there's less than I'd like, not counting talk about diy synthesizers | 23:21 |
| klafka | in this channel? | 23:21 |
| yashgaroth | well, the community in general, but also here | 23:22 |
| klafka | shit delinquentme is always going on about bio shit as is kanzure and to a lesser extent I | 23:22 |
| klafka | oh | 23:22 |
| Stee| | yashgaroth: do you have a list of papers you need? | 23:22 |
| Stee| | besides that one? | 23:22 |
| yashgaroth | always, but never in a list, I'll get back to you | 23:22 |
| @kanzure | yashgaroth: maybe you can bring in more bio buddies | 23:22 |
| klafka | i mean my phd research was in comp molecular systems biology | 23:22 |
| klafka | yeah | 23:22 |
| klafka | go bring in more bio people | 23:22 |
| yashgaroth | if I had some! | 23:22 |
| klafka | bleh | 23:22 |
| klafka | lol | 23:22 |
| klafka | bio is in a weird place frankly | 23:23 |
| @kanzure | yashgaroth: the sad truth is that, we're it | 23:23 |
| Stee| | I should bring in my RL buddies | 23:23 |
| yashgaroth | I was hoping they were all hiding here | 23:23 |
| Stee| | I know some interested biomechs | 23:23 |
| klafka | bio needs another few physics creations | 23:23 |
| klafka | to really advance | 23:23 |
| klafka | also it needs some big computational advances | 23:23 |
| Mokbortolan_ | more walking DNA | 23:23 |
| klafka | until then i think we're pretty stymied | 23:23 |
| klafka | especially on the hardware side | 23:24 |
| @kanzure | what | 23:24 |
| @kanzure | you just got very generic and vague | 23:24 |
| yashgaroth | like equipment or what | 23:24 |
| @kanzure | whatt | 23:24 |
| @kanzure | equipment is just a matter of forcing people to do it | 23:24 |
| @kanzure | what are you talking about klafka | 23:24 |
| * Mokbortolan_ predicts jetpacks and nuclear vacuums. | 23:24 | |
| klafka | because i'm tired | 23:25 |
| klafka | :P | 23:25 |
| @kanzure | Mokbortolan_: not high on the priority list imho ;) | 23:25 |
| Stee| | kanzure: know of any papers on extrudable bioplastics? | 23:25 |
| @kanzure | Stee|: not off the top of my head, there are a few though | 23:25 |
| @kanzure | ask #reprap | 23:25 |
| klafka | um specific advances in templateless DNA writing, in high throughput protein expression methods | 23:25 |
| klafka | in more advanced and cheap flow cytometry | 23:26 |
| Stee| | honestly, I'd really like to make a desktop bioplastic cracker | 23:26 |
| Stee| | or something | 23:26 |
| Stee| | so third world countries could grow plastic from crops | 23:26 |
| @kanzure | Stee|: search the google diybio group | 23:26 |
| klafka | that would be cool | 23:26 |
| @kanzure | there was someone spamming abuot it | 23:26 |
| Mokbortolan_ | I just want to grow giant insect exoskeletons sans insect | 23:27 |
| @kanzure | http://groups.google.com/group/diybio/browse_thread/thread/e757bfe30b08ef6a | 23:27 |
| Mokbortolan_ | that I could live inside | 23:27 |
| @kanzure | http://groups.google.com/group/diybio/browse_thread/thread/99d67541ad264588 | 23:27 |
| @kanzure | stove top bioplastics http://groups.google.com/group/openmanufacturing/browse_thread/thread/d1dd6def0afe6e5 | 23:27 |
| @kanzure | http://groups.google.com/group/diybio/browse_thread/thread/2cb669531eeb0a00 | 23:28 |
| Mokbortolan_ | I've seen milk plastic, that's pretty neat | 23:28 |
| @kanzure | Biosynthesis of polylactic acid and its copolymers using evolved propionate CoA transferase and PHA | 23:28 |
| @kanzure | http://groups.google.com/group/diybio/browse_thread/thread/86aa3924595856df?fwc=1 | 23:28 |
| @kanzure | good night | 23:34 |
| Stee| | gnite | 23:34 |
| Stee| | thanks for the links | 23:34 |
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