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| jrayhawk | "30 megapixel" is an oversimplification and "72 frames per second" is an outright lie | 01:20 |
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| joshcryer | What's the human perception frame rate? | 01:30 |
| joshcryer | Higher? | 01:30 |
| jrayhawk | POV on an unchanged CRT rescan starts working at around 100hz for me; I've met people for whom it's higher. | 01:31 |
| jrayhawk | On changed rescans, the sky is the limit. I normally play video games at 150hz, and I could go a *lot* higher. | 01:32 |
| jrayhawk | But I'm sure you could achieve the same thing with a 120hz scanout and a lot of compositing. | 01:33 |
| jrayhawk | (which is to say, displays don't need to get a whole lot faster than 120, but rendering sure does) | 01:38 |
| Coornail | 100 hertz is pretty close to reality | 01:41 |
| joshcryer | I know TVs can get up to 240hz, probably higher these days. Have you personally looked at a 240hz screen with said source? | 01:41 |
| Coornail | but I guess it all depends on the use case | 01:41 |
| joshcryer | Coornail, I know that mismatching can cause a serious perception issue (say you have a game running at 50fps on a 60hz monitor). | 01:41 |
| jrayhawk | 240hz displays require specialist hardware; I don't know of anyone who's run a video game on one. | 01:43 |
| jrayhawk | As with interpixel interpolation, the upper limit for interframe interpolation is probably 4x for most and 8x for the obsessive. | 01:44 |
| Coornail | but that also mean that for different use cases it will perform with different success | 01:46 |
| joshcryer | Do you have problems watching film jrayhawk? | 01:47 |
| jrayhawk | Action sequences filmed at 30hz bother me 'cause it's difficult to tell what's going on half the time (fuck you, bruckheimer), but I grew up around 50 and 60hz CRTs and ignore the scanout. I live with someone who gets headaches using anything less than 100hz and generally prefers 120. | 01:50 |
| jrayhawk | http://www.omgwallhack.org/home/jrayhawk/img/hovel/20110514_002.jpg My video wall is like kryptonite for her | 01:51 |
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| joshcryer | That's fascinating to me. | 01:51 |
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| joshcryer | I never had anything above 60hz, and I don't get headaches around anything that flickers (fluorescent lights, etc). And I can play Skyrim at about 45 fps for hours on end (put about 100 hours into it so far). | 01:53 |
| joshcryer | I mean, I notice it, but it's not terribly jarring or uncomfortable. | 01:53 |
| joshcryer | After awhile I adapt and I don't even notice it. | 01:53 |
| jrayhawk | Obviously LCDs are a godsend for the headache crowd, since there's no need for POV. | 01:54 |
| joshcryer | I think one thing really left out of that talk is the ability to reduce computation due to visual cues. | 01:55 |
| joshcryer | Eye tracking and the like. | 01:55 |
| joshcryer | You won't need to compute the rays for a given static object if you're not looking at it. | 01:56 |
| jrayhawk | Yeah, the future is going to be head displays and eye tracking for a bit. | 01:56 |
| joshcryer | I don't think it'll go commercial until it's the size of eye glasses and they have multi-megapixel cameras on the lenses. | 01:56 |
| joshcryer | Then we'll have AR + rudimentary VR (it won't be realistic yet). | 01:56 |
| joshcryer | Then we can throw away tablets. | 01:56 |
| joshcryer | Oh, Happy Leap Day. :) | 01:57 |
| jrayhawk | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmFT9zy7fOU rage sorta already has detail-follows-focus, but mostly by accident | 02:12 |
| jrayhawk | at least it's something that could be gracefully engineered on top of what they already have | 02:13 |
| jrayhawk | displays should really be discussed in terms of pixels per radian rather than pixels per inch or total pixels | 02:17 |
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| Steel_NSF | How goes | 07:30 |
| Steel_NSF | I think my great aunt signed up on transhumani | 07:47 |
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| delinquentme | MEH | 09:40 |
| delinquentme | shipping fees! | 09:40 |
| * delinquentme sent angry tweets | 09:40 | |
| kanzure | that'll show them! | 09:40 |
| delinquentme | SCHYEH! | 09:42 |
| delinquentme | so what about creating a community where the basic purpose is to create an argument over why science move so slowy? | 09:45 |
| delinquentme | we bring in a few experts .. get them rolling on the subject (yes easier said than done.. MAYBE) | 09:46 |
| delinquentme | BUT | 09:46 |
| kanzure | who is doing that? | 09:47 |
| delinquentme | then find out how long it would take to become productive with a piece of equipment from the MFG of that equip | 09:47 |
| delinquentme | say electron microscopes | 09:47 |
| kanzure | i mean why do we care about arguments about science moving slowly | 09:47 |
| kanzure | that does not sound productive | 09:47 |
| delinquentme | now the powerful thing here is that we've bypassed the "experts" ( academic blahs ) and skipped right to the real experts | 09:48 |
| delinquentme | the manufacturers | 09:48 |
| kanzure | most academics do not know how to make their equipment | 09:48 |
| kanzure | some branches of physics are unusual because of how they commonly make custom equipment | 09:48 |
| kanzure | but that's not the norm | 09:48 |
| delinquentme | NOW we get to open a forum on " can this task you're using a well educated grad student to do ... be outsourced to a random bum off the street ) | 09:48 |
| kanzure | why? | 09:49 |
| delinquentme | 2 reasons | 09:49 |
| kanzure | they should be using robots, not bums | 09:49 |
| kanzure | this is dumb.. | 09:49 |
| delinquentme | well yes true true | 09:49 |
| delinquentme | 1) we begin to open up the idea that heavy real fucking science | 09:49 |
| delinquentme | is available to everyone | 09:49 |
| delinquentme | this would be SO huge | 09:49 |
| kanzure | it already is available to everyone.. why is that new | 09:50 |
| delinquentme | hardly! | 09:50 |
| kanzure | the thing that mainly is not is the publications | 09:50 |
| kanzure | but that's about it. | 09:50 |
| delinquentme | PHDs != accessible | 09:50 |
| kanzure | you don't need a phd | 09:50 |
| kanzure | that's just a piece of paper | 09:50 |
| delinquentme | and 2) we're replacing the "knowledge" that these dyed in the wool old boy club type researches have | 09:51 |
| delinquentme | with really HARD evidence that they're wrong | 09:51 |
| kanzure | wrong about what | 09:51 |
| delinquentme | that it takes a phd to become productive | 09:51 |
| delinquentme | and all the while the MFG has a new source of income training people how to use their equipment | 09:51 |
| kanzure | they already know that.. that's why they use undergrads | 09:51 |
| delinquentme | but even undergrads could work on more important shit | 09:52 |
| kanzure | what does that have to do with your phd argument | 09:52 |
| kanzure | i said they already know it does not require a phd to be productive | 09:53 |
| delinquentme | make science accessible ( 2 week specialized education for a piece of equipment ) and everyone shifts up in impact of the work they do | 09:53 |
| kanzure | and you said, "undergrads can be working too".. which is what already happens | 09:53 |
| delinquentme | nono i mean we can take people off the street and do this shit | 09:53 |
| kanzure | delinquentme: i don't think equipment training is the limiting factor | 09:53 |
| delinquentme | like yes you cant work w a total idiot | 09:53 |
| delinquentme | limiting factor would be? | 09:54 |
| kanzure | the equipment is pretty standard and easy to use (in the scheme of things) | 09:54 |
| delinquentme | erm i mean " whats the limiting factor in your opinion ?" | 09:54 |
| kanzure | sure it doesn't look like an assPod but who cares | 09:54 |
| kanzure | to making science accessible | 09:54 |
| kanzure | isn't that what you just said? | 09:54 |
| delinquentme | like I think that ... ehhh ... who was it | 09:54 |
| delinquentme | someone said that basically REAL science is kind of ignored | 09:55 |
| kanzure | you're basically saying that equipment training is the limiting factor to 'making science accessible' | 09:55 |
| delinquentme | because it gets to the point of complexity where it might as well BE magic to some people | 09:55 |
| delinquentme | im saying that its a foot in the door certainly | 09:55 |
| kanzure | to what | 09:55 |
| kanzure | please make a coherent statement | 09:55 |
| delinquentme | like i had this argument w my friend .. right | 09:55 |
| delinquentme | ... | 09:55 |
| delinquentme | ok whats incoherent | 09:55 |
| kanzure | you started talking about postulating we have arguments about science progress | 09:56 |
| kanzure | then you're arguing that phds are necessary | 09:56 |
| delinquentme | where? | 09:56 |
| kanzure | by saying that you need them for something | 09:57 |
| delinquentme | i missed that part? | 09:58 |
| kanzure | their willingness to train people on equipment, does not matter in the scheme of things | 09:58 |
| kanzure | sometimes they are the ones who do the training | 09:58 |
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| kanzure | but in i.e. department mahine shops, it's the foremen | 09:58 |
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| kanzure | their willingness to train people on equipment, does not matter in the scheme of things | 09:58 |
| kanzure | sometimes they are the ones who do the training | 09:58 |
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| kanzure | but in i.e. department mahine shops, it's the foremen | 09:58 |
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| kanzure | ok scrwe it | 09:58 |
| delinquentme_ | w and q are really close | 09:59 |
| delinquentme_ | ok umm the MFGs do the training | 09:59 |
| delinquentme_ | ( additional income for them ) | 09:59 |
| kanzure | are you proposing that they should do this? | 09:59 |
| kanzure | or are you trying to relay information to me | 09:59 |
| delinquentme_ | im saying if you can open up a forum .. and show that people are interested | 09:59 |
| delinquentme_ | i think they'd do it themselves .. they already do this in some industries | 09:59 |
| kanzure | ok so you're proposing this | 10:00 |
| delinquentme_ | im saying its a cool idea | 10:00 |
| delinquentme_ | disclosure : it was my idea | 10:00 |
| kanzure | ok. now that i know you're *proposing an idea* i can comment on it | 10:00 |
| delinquentme_ | yeah | 10:00 |
| kanzure | equipment certification programs seems like an arbitrary barrier to entry | 10:00 |
| kanzure | no thanks. | 10:00 |
| delinquentme_ | so for me | 10:01 |
| delinquentme_ | in the case of say HS students right | 10:01 |
| delinquentme_ | more kids into science | 10:01 |
| delinquentme_ | how do we get them viscerally engaged? | 10:01 |
| kanzure | i think they will engage themselves if they want to | 10:01 |
| delinquentme_ | throw books at them? no way .. show them a fucking mad machine and say " Would you like to learn how to run this ?" | 10:01 |
| delinquentme_ | THAT. | 10:01 |
| delinquentme_ | true true | 10:01 |
| delinquentme_ | but thats the easy route | 10:01 |
| delinquentme_ | kids want to learn | 10:02 |
| delinquentme_ | but not in the traditional edu sense | 10:02 |
| kanzure | you could also strap them down and force them to do science | 10:02 |
| delinquentme_ | fuck that | 10:02 |
| delinquentme_ | yeah bc that works well | 10:02 |
| delinquentme_ | that approach *TOTALLY* says " I have NO concept of human psyche " | 10:02 |
| kanzure | ok so why do you need these kids to do science? are you in desperate need of additional workers? | 10:02 |
| delinquentme_ | it says " I'm lazy and cant think of a better way to incite the transfer of information .. than by force " .. yamn | 10:03 |
| delinquentme_ | yawn*! | 10:03 |
| kanzure | there are tons of training programs already out there (all sorts of lab tech classes in community colleges, etc.) | 10:03 |
| kanzure | i mean if you need to pick up a bunch of people making $24k/year to push buttons, there's a surplus of biotech people for that | 10:03 |
| delinquentme_ | kanzure, to make something a societal push .. you need to make it something anyone can relate with | 10:03 |
| delinquentme_ | right now .. its magic | 10:03 |
| kanzure | a societal push for what? | 10:03 |
| kanzure | it's not magic - that's a fucking lie | 10:03 |
| delinquentme_ | like REAL science might as well be black magic to most people | 10:04 |
| delinquentme_ | its too complex | 10:04 |
| delinquentme_ | we need to modularize it | 10:04 |
| kanzure | you still shouldn't tell them it's magic. | 10:04 |
| delinquentme_ | and give it to them in small chunks | 10:04 |
| delinquentme_ | oh im not telling them its magic | 10:04 |
| delinquentme_ | (certainly) | 10:04 |
| kanzure | yes you are- you just told me it's magic | 10:04 |
| kanzure | dude this is impossible | 10:04 |
| delinquentme_ | i mean i used that to demonstrate to you what I was trying to convey | 10:04 |
| ThomasEgi | witchcraft, burn the infidel! along with his books of sorcery | 10:05 |
| kanzure | yes i know, and you shouldn't convey to anyone that it's magic | 10:05 |
| delinquentme_ | as in that they see it as something very complex | 10:05 |
| kanzure | including me | 10:05 |
| kanzure | yes, it is complex | 10:05 |
| delinquentme_ | i stand corrected | 10:05 |
| kanzure | (but also simple) | 10:05 |
| delinquentme_ | you're absolutely right | 10:05 |
| kanzure | ok so why do you need this societal push? | 10:05 |
| delinquentme_ | LEV | 10:05 |
| delinquentme_ | put those tools in peoples hands and say | 10:05 |
| delinquentme_ | HEY you might want this too | 10:05 |
| delinquentme_ | now you can help | 10:05 |
| kanzure | education isn't bad but i don't see where you're going with this | 10:06 |
| delinquentme_ | and OMG even more if we could make this as accessible as taking a class on rock climbing or something | 10:06 |
| delinquentme_ | like people talking about electron microscopy at the bar ?? | 10:06 |
| delinquentme_ | wet dream shit! | 10:06 |
| delinquentme_ | no but education takes too long | 10:06 |
| kanzure | just go to a bar near a university.. | 10:06 |
| kanzure | huh? you just said you wanted manufacturers to do equipment training | 10:07 |
| kanzure | how is that not education | 10:07 |
| delinquentme_ | and whats REALLY powerful is we begin to combat this idea in a very public way that PHDs arent necessary to do real science | 10:07 |
| delinquentme_ | ohhh ohh ok ye | 10:07 |
| delinquentme_ | yeh** | 10:07 |
| delinquentme_ | we've got the fucking manufacturers saying | 10:07 |
| delinquentme_ | "yeah you can learn to run one of these in 2 weeks " | 10:07 |
| delinquentme_ | and you know .. we made the tool so .. we're not just talking out of our asses | 10:08 |
| delinquentme_ | ^ manufacturer | 10:08 |
| delinquentme_ | ps ThomasEgi howdah! | 10:08 |
| ThomasEgi | hungry, as always. | 10:08 |
| kanzure | in the future can you start with the end ("I want to shift popular opinion about PhDs doing science") instead of the end ("certification training by lab equipment manufacturers") | 10:08 |
| kanzure | *instead of the details | 10:08 |
| delinquentme_ | I think I want to make alist of a few of these and put em on HN | 10:09 |
| delinquentme_ | I dont see myself running w this idea but I think its usable | 10:09 |
| delinquentme_ | maybe a list of life extension inclined startup type ideas | 10:11 |
| rkos | have you heard about the concept of open source ventures? | 10:14 |
| delinquentme_ | ^^ noe? | 10:15 |
| delinquentme_ | but you saw that post i threw up in here yesterday on the 205 million for big data companies | 10:15 |
| delinquentme_ | I've got programming and math ! | 10:16 |
| delinquentme_ | who wants to be muh friend?! | 10:16 |
| rkos | http://globalguerrillas.typepad.com/globalguerrillas/2011/01/the-open-source-venture-project-picture-this.html or http://e-texteditor.com/blog/2009/opencompany basically you have an idea and just crowdsource the labor from the internet | 10:16 |
| kanzure | rkos: also check out bettermeans if you're into that | 10:17 |
| kanzure | frankly i find a lot of the "social ventures" to be dizzying/upsetting to my stomach | 10:17 |
| kanzure | but for some reason i know about them | 10:17 |
| rkos | i havent been following any too closely, but the concept of dilettantes doing science reminded me of it | 10:18 |
| kanzure | honestly, there's tons of people trained on biotech equipment, it's not a limiting factor | 10:18 |
| kanzure | the cost of the equipment tends to be pretty high, so people not in labs usually do not have the equipment | 10:18 |
| delinquentme_ | whats the real issue ? | 10:19 |
| kanzure | if you want more lab equipment? well, it's being sold for too much | 10:19 |
| kanzure | nobody should be paying $50k for a thermocycler or ultracentrifuge | 10:20 |
| rkos | sequencing and synthetizing is still pretty expensive for any hobbyist | 10:20 |
| kanzure | yep | 10:20 |
| kanzure | or rather: the capital costs of doing any biotech is still somewhat high | 10:21 |
| kanzure | actually i should clarify that, because it's not true | 10:22 |
| kanzure | if you were to buy things on the open market, the costs are high ;) | 10:22 |
| kanzure | if you're willing to do things on your own the costs drop substantially | 10:22 |
| delinquentme_ | true, but not too many people are building sequencers | 10:26 |
| kanzure | becuase i haven't gotten around to showing how yet | 10:27 |
| delinquentme_ | haha | 10:27 |
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| delinquentme_ | HOWY PEOPLS | 11:16 |
| jrayhawk | HEWWO | 11:18 |
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| delinquentme_ | hongrah. | 12:06 |
| delinquentme_ | YNOROBOTW FEWD | 12:06 |
| delinquentme_ | EFF | 12:06 |
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| joshcryer | delinquentme_, step one, make software to simulate, make and improve hardware. Step two, build hardware on which to run the software to simulate, make, and improve hardware. Step three, demystify the software so that a normal consumer can use it to adequately simulate, create, and improve upon consumer or consumer used items. | 17:21 |
| kanzure | context? | 17:24 |
| joshcryer | <delinquentme> because it gets to the point of complexity where it might as well BE magic to some people | 17:24 |
| joshcryer | The whole exchange from earlier about training and ... slow science (not sure what that meant). | 17:24 |
| kanzure | yeah me either | 17:25 |
| joshcryer | imo the limiting factor is tools, s'all. | 17:25 |
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| delinquentme_ | oh i thought that was in reply to the sandwich robot | 17:30 |
| delinquentme_ | joshcryer, kanzure distilling it down to say there is one bottleneck | 17:31 |
| delinquentme_ | over simplification | 17:31 |
| delinquentme_ | realize that this is a *system* we're talking about | 17:31 |
| delinquentme_ | with economics in all of its majesty is involved | 17:32 |
| kanzure | what am i doing? | 17:32 |
| kanzure | i don't even know what you're trying to talk abuot | 17:32 |
| kanzure | i just see lots of broad topics crammed together :( | 17:32 |
| delinquentme_ | more talent = better markets | 17:32 |
| joshcryer | I have a sense this is a long term observation that's based upon an opinion delinquentme_ has formed. I haven't read logs or been here in almost a year though so I have no idea. | 17:33 |
| delinquentme_ | one part of the earlier discussion worked off an attempt to demistify | 17:33 |
| joshcryer | Demystyfication is just a front end and programmers wouldn't do the lions share of it, that's a job for designers. | 17:33 |
| delinquentme_ | joshcryer, a long term opinion as opposed to ? | 17:34 |
| delinquentme_ | nm | 17:35 |
| joshcryer | delinquentme_, the bit about experts, say, you think experts are being touted and that can bias your opinion. Maybe experts aren't touted so much, I mean, look at open source and I come across quite a diverse field of individuals, from corporate lackeys to high schoolers. | 17:36 |
| delinquentme_ | joshcryer, i think what I was after is a nice easy way to STFU old men researchers who want everyone to do it the way they did it | 17:37 |
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| delinquentme_ | this is where psychology and faggotry begin to slow science | 17:37 |
| joshcryer | Sure, some fields may have special cases, but that's only because there's no penetration there as far as the open source community is concerned. | 17:37 |
| kanzure | delinquentme_: that's not what you do - you invite them to be on "your" 'board of advisors' | 17:37 |
| kanzure | instead of telling them to stfu. | 17:38 |
| delinquentme_ | but I think more importantly money INTO science will help this | 17:38 |
| delinquentme_ | kanzure, i like it haha | 17:38 |
| delinquentme_ | bc then its not an affront | 17:38 |
| delinquentme_ | funkin smart | 17:38 |
| joshcryer | Only if they aren't paid. :P | 17:38 |
| delinquentme_ | ^ | 17:39 |
| foucist | .... | 17:44 |
| joshcryer | I'm itching to kind of bash the Singularity Institute right now. :P | 17:45 |
| kanzure | joshcryer: go for it | 17:46 |
| joshcryer | They held a lot of summits! | 17:47 |
| kanzure | don't forget! tomorrow is goertzel day | 17:48 |
| kanzure | :/ | 17:49 |
| joshcryer | Oh god. | 17:50 |
| joshcryer | Let's make more websites. | 17:51 |
| kanzure | with buttons? | 17:51 |
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| Steel2 | ugh | 18:09 |
| Steel2 | I can't connect with my normal client :-/ | 18:09 |
| foucist | #firstworldproblems | 18:21 |
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| kanzure | yashgaroth: hi | 18:39 |
| yashgaroth | hello | 18:39 |
| foucist | ahh yess, the latest smbc ftw.. http://www.smbc-comics.com/ | 18:47 |
| yottabit | my problem solving abilities have seemed to deminished since starting back to school | 18:48 |
| yottabit | has anyone else experienced this? | 18:48 |
| yottabit | i'm not sure if it's specifically school or stress from so many commitments outside of school | 18:48 |
| foucist | yottabit: get 9 hours of sleep every night to unlock your inner genius | 18:51 |
| yottabit | prior to this stupid schedule imposed by school, that's what i normally received | 18:52 |
| foucist | go to bed earlier? :P | 18:52 |
| yottabit | i have to trazodone to knock myself out | 18:52 |
| yottabit | guess i could get some sleep, that's probably the problem today | 18:52 |
| foucist | yottabit: how about some modafinil | 18:53 |
| yottabit | god would i love some | 18:53 |
| yottabit | i have this problem with vyvanse... it makes me concentrate on whatever sparks my interest | 18:54 |
| yottabit | not really on what i should be working on :) | 18:54 |
| * yottabit is trying guanfacine again and reducing his exercising | 18:55 | |
| yottabit | guanfacine previously made my head ache while jogging | 18:55 |
| yottabit | so i quit taking it, but since i haven't exercised in ~month, might as well give it a go again | 18:56 |
| * yottabit is sick of school | 18:56 | |
| * yottabit high fives foucist and sleeps | 18:56 | |
| joshcryer | Trazodone makes my heart race. | 18:58 |
| joshcryer | (Which has the side effect of keeping me wide awake.) | 18:59 |
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| delinquentme_ | http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/ct-talk-google-privacy-0301-20120229-16,0,2046369.story | 19:50 |
| delinquentme_ | google history and youtube stuff | 19:51 |
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| delinquentme_ | ^^ howdy eudoxia | 20:06 |
| delinquentme_ | joshcryer, do you exercise often? | 20:07 |
| delinquentme_ | lol random I know ... im looking for a very specific side effect which I've not been able to get for a while | 20:07 |
| eudoxia | привет delinquentme | 20:07 |
| delinquentme_ | lol | 20:07 |
| eudoxia | I think I'm using 'yo' too much so yeah | 20:08 |
| yashgaroth | may I recommend "'sup" | 20:08 |
| eudoxia | noted | 20:09 |
| foucist | yo yo homies | 20:14 |
| joshcryer | delinquentme_, an hour a day. | 20:14 |
| foucist | i mix it up with yo, hola, sup | 20:14 |
| foucist | too many sups is just as bad | 20:14 |
| joshcryer | And I do a 6 mile run every weekend. | 20:14 |
| joshcryer | A 6 mile sprint even. | 20:14 |
| foucist | but you gotta personalize the 'yo' otherwise it's kinda rude | 20:14 |
| yashgaroth | also you can't use sup sup, unlike most other short greetings | 20:14 |
| delinquentme_ | i want the head throb ... | 20:14 |
| eudoxia | I liked yashgaroth's "guten tag bro" | 20:14 |
| joshcryer | delinquentme_, what kind of side effect? | 20:14 |
| kanzure | naturally i recommend yashgaroth's exercise program (fucking up yer myocytes) | 20:15 |
| foucist | joshcryer: i want to get into 8x100m sprints, or better | 20:15 |
| yashgaroth | oh hey kanzure I threw up the outline for that on Steel's forum | 20:15 |
| yashgaroth | not ab-punching, the myostatin thing | 20:15 |
| delinquentme_ | its the only way I can think to describe it .. i *THINK* i've gotten it from really intense exercise but but its b een a while since I've had it | 20:15 |
| kanzure | yashgaroth: link | 20:15 |
| yashgaroth | http://transhumani.com/topic61.html | 20:16 |
| kanzure | ah so that's his forum | 20:16 |
| joshcryer | foucist, I can do my 6 mile sprint in about 35 minutes. Trying to get it under 30 minutes. And I'm at altitude. | 20:16 |
| joshcryer | delinquentme_, that's a bad side effect to want to get, imo. | 20:16 |
| foucist | joshcryer: do you have a sprinter's build or a marathoner's ? | 20:17 |
| yashgaroth | sounds more like dehydration than anything else | 20:17 |
| delinquentme_ | joshcryer, really? | 20:17 |
| delinquentme_ | like its not throbbing but that feeling that my brains b een flushed through | 20:17 |
| delinquentme_ | i feel really attuned w that specific mild pain idk | 20:17 |
| delinquentme_ | makes me feel quite alert | 20:18 |
| delinquentme_ | want moar | 20:18 |
| joshcryer | foucist, more closer to a marathoners, I have major endurance. I do p90x as my primary exercise regime, but I sprint to burn fat. It's possibly the highest fat burning thing you can possibly do. | 20:18 |
| kanzure | yashgaroth: this wasn't the writeup that i was hoping for | 20:18 |
| kanzure | or that i thought you said you'd do | 20:18 |
| yashgaroth | like, the gene I chose, or something else | 20:18 |
| kanzure | well, i guess you cover the details | 20:19 |
| kanzure | but including a budget is also important | 20:19 |
| yashgaroth | man, money is like, a creation of, like...stuff, and stuff | 20:19 |
| kanzure | probably | 20:20 |
| joshcryer | Down with money. | 20:20 |
| joshcryer | :P | 20:20 |
| yashgaroth | I can work something up, but it depends whether I count equipment available at my current lab, etc | 20:20 |
| kanzure | yashgaroth: don't count it | 20:20 |
| kanzure | some of it is not fair to count ("Oh and i also happen to have this magical $50,000 hplc at my disposal, so fuck you") | 20:21 |
| kanzure | and some things are obv. easier to build than others | 20:21 |
| yashgaroth | well that is the most expensive part, but there's old pharmacia machines on ebay that I could maybe work with | 20:22 |
| kanzure | also if you could be bothered, including a few sentences about testing/verification along the way | 20:22 |
| kanzure | testing whether or not your plasmid is correct is easy (sequencing) but there's also other verification methods | 20:22 |
| kanzure | plus testing whether or not your electroporator is deadly is a relatively easy task | 20:22 |
| yashgaroth | I've got an arm to spare | 20:22 |
| kanzure | but effective electroporation will probably require animal testing? | 20:22 |
| kanzure | or at last some equivalent cell culture | 20:23 |
| yashgaroth | the parameters are different enough in mice and humans (or cell culture) that there's not too much I could do, aside from function testing | 20:23 |
| yashgaroth | certainly won't be able to optimize it too well | 20:23 |
| kanzure | right | 20:23 |
| yashgaroth | anyway I'm trusting that thomasegi knows enough EE to not get me killed with the electroporator | 20:25 |
| kanzure | on an unrelated note is there a name for a virus that encodes a special 2nd-generation genome? i.e. after penetrating a cell it would create only capsids based on this particular region in its genome | 20:25 |
| yashgaroth | nah, just 'engineered'; all viral vectors do something like that, though they don't normally express a capsid | 20:27 |
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| yashgaroth | depends how tricky you want to get, like several possible capsid proteins depending on the cell type it infects, etc | 20:29 |
| kanzure | eh, just things like "well, the first one should get it to the right cell type, the second one should increase the infection rate" etc. | 20:35 |
| yashgaroth | no one's really tried anything like that, though it is possible, especially with viruses that carry two genome copies | 20:39 |
| delinquentme_ | cbut effective electroporation will probably require animal testing? | 20:41 |
| delinquentme_ | ^^ cant you just grow on antibiotic agar? | 20:41 |
| yashgaroth | there's a number of papers out already on various electroporation techniques | 20:41 |
| yashgaroth | ^you mean the viruses? no | 20:41 |
| delinquentme_ | ohh you're testing viral uptake | 20:42 |
| yashgaroth | I think he wants to do most of the viral production in the target's body, rather than growing/purifying a large quantity separately | 20:43 |
| delinquentme_ | this is not the oligos you're talking about | 20:49 |
| yashgaroth | naw | 20:49 |
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| kanzure | http://www.wallix.org/2012/02/29/pylogsparser-visualizing-ssh-attacks-in-video/ | 20:56 |
| delinquentme_ | whats the project?? | 20:57 |
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| Stee| | hello marainen | 21:34 |
| delinquentme_ | MD5s can be generated off of any type of data correct? | 21:44 |
| joshcryer | yes | 22:02 |
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| delinquentme_ | http://blog.ted.com/TED2023/ | 22:57 |
| joshcryer | You'd think screens by then wouldn't have a percetable lag. | 23:08 |
| joshcryer | At the bare minimum, replaced in post by AR. | 23:09 |
| joshcryer | Is this the tranhumanists' John Galt? | 23:11 |
| yashgaroth | no, that'd be yulani | 23:11 |
| joshcryer | I see a cupcake maker on YouTube. | 23:12 |
| joshcryer | I could get behind that. | 23:12 |
| yashgaroth | oops yutani well whatever | 23:12 |
| joshcryer | Haha | 23:12 |
| joshcryer | I didn't actually think to search for "Weyland." | 23:13 |
| yashgaroth | I didn't even know it was related to the alien series but as soon as he said weyland I was like "ohh" since I watched it embedded | 23:14 |
| joshcryer | Why weren't the people in Alien's cybernetic then? | 23:14 |
| joshcryer | I'd somehow overlooked that Weyland had anything to do with Aliens. | 23:14 |
| yashgaroth | well one of them was an android, but if they all were, then the plot wouldn't really be able to develop | 23:16 |
| joshcryer | Ash was a crappy android, this guy makes it sound like they achieved immortality. :P | 23:17 |
| joshcryer | And I was secretly hoping for him to say "I am Ray Kurzweil." | 23:20 |
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| foucist | I am Jay Kurzweil | 23:51 |
| foucist | I'm not as concerned about the gray goo problem! | 23:52 |
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