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strangewarp | If I wanted to guesstimate a year where it would be viable to live moderately well without any housing or traditional source of income, what year would that be? | 00:48 |
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foucist | strangewarp: you don't know what you want to guesstimate it at? | 00:48 |
foucist | or are you asking us to guesstimate it for you :p | 00:49 |
strangewarp | I am asking for a second opinion, yes :p | 00:49 |
foucist | gonna go with 2040 | 00:50 |
strangewarp | Hmmm | 01:01 |
foucist | a mere 28 years in the future hmm | 01:04 |
foucist | maybe not good enough | 01:04 |
foucist | perhaps it could be projected somewhat | 01:04 |
foucist | well, is cost of food going down? | 01:04 |
foucist | cost of housing? | 01:04 |
foucist | probably not | 01:04 |
foucist | cost of electricity/energy sure is going down though | 01:04 |
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foucist | can super cheap energy be used to compensate for the food/housing problem? | 01:05 |
strangewarp | Vat-meat is on the way, so.. partially, I'd assume | 01:07 |
strangewarp | And the descendents of 3D printers would be convenient for making insta-houses, so.. probably, if laws didn't interfere | 01:08 |
Steel | strangewarp, 3d printed houses are already being done | 01:11 |
Steel | I'd have to find the paper though | 01:11 |
strangewarp | Ah, I'd heard about that, but isn't it still in the concept stage, where it's been done but not scaled up? | 01:13 |
Steel | not sure | 01:14 |
Steel | I'd have to find the paper again | 01:14 |
Steel | do you care enough for me to look? | 01:15 |
strangewarp | Nah, it's fine\ | 01:17 |
strangewarp | Was just fishing for people's opinions on the projected date of universal food-housing-wellbeing welfare, at the behest of a friend... might ask again in the daytime :p | 01:20 |
Steel | hah | 01:22 |
Steel | honestly? | 01:22 |
Steel | depends on locale. | 01:22 |
Steel | and surplus mass/energy | 01:22 |
strangewarp | indeed, and.. indeed | 01:22 |
Steel | http://jme.bmj.com/content/31/5/273.full have y'all read this? | 01:26 |
strangewarp | ...! I've actually read that! | 01:28 |
Steel | hah | 01:28 |
Steel | I have a list of 54 articles, actually | 01:28 |
strangewarp | Hm, for specific purposes? | 01:34 |
Steel | depends | 01:34 |
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Vicarious | 'morning | 03:24 |
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JayDugger | Hello, everyone. | 06:40 |
Mariu | hey JayDugger | 06:40 |
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Mokbortolan_ | https://share.sandia.gov/news/resources/news_releases/prosthetics/ | 12:00 |
Mokbortolan_ | Sandia developing nerve interface | 12:00 |
kanzure | what type | 12:00 |
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Mokbortolan_ | biocompatible polymers | 12:01 |
Mokbortolan_ | scaffolds, wires | 12:02 |
kanzure | so electrodes? | 12:04 |
Mokbortolan_ | yep | 12:05 |
Mokbortolan_ | I've read that wires tend to get coated with a protein that degrades its ability to talk to nerves | 12:06 |
Mokbortolan_ | is there a name for that substance/process? | 12:06 |
kanzure | Mokbortolan_: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/neuro/implants/Response%20of%20brain%20tissue%20to%20chronically%20implanted%20neural%20electrodes.pdf | 12:08 |
kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/neuro/implants/Magnetic%20resonance%20compatibility%20of%20neural%20implants%20-%202006%20-%20whowouldhavethought.pdf | 12:08 |
Mokbortolan_ | thanks! | 12:09 |
Mokbortolan_ | wow | 12:14 |
kanzure | liking what you see? | 12:14 |
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Mokbortolan_ | When CNS damage severs blood vessels, microglia are indistinguishable from the blood borne, monocyte-derived macrophages | 12:15 |
Mokbortolan_ | that are recruited by the degranulation of platelets and the cellular release of cytokines. | 12:15 |
Mokbortolan_ | the brain keeps a ready stock of defenders | 12:15 |
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fenn | mmm http://www.flickr.com/photos/sandialabs/sets/ | 12:48 |
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delinquentme | http://stark-fire-6273.herokuapp.com/ << front end of the OSCAR-4 chemo parser ( note: the "parse" option doesn't work as I'm not currently running the backend EC2 server ) | 12:57 |
delinquentme | but you can take a look at the existing parses w the "browse" button | 12:57 |
kanzure | delinquentme: can you get xserver-xorg-video-dummy running on heroku? | 12:58 |
delinquentme | what is that? | 12:58 |
delinquentme | it sounds like a video codex for ubuntu? | 12:58 |
delinquentme | do you mean EC2? | 12:58 |
kanzure | no i do not mean ec2 | 13:01 |
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delinquentme | kanzure, im about to do another interview ... i can catch up w what you're working on in like an hour | 13:41 |
delinquentme | cooool? | 13:41 |
kanzure | i might be sleeping in an hour | 13:42 |
delinquentme | kk | 13:56 |
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jrayhawk | huh, clinicaltrials.gov is a pretty cool site | 14:36 |
kanzure | i mentioned it in the backlog recently if you want to see some myostatin-related trials | 14:40 |
kanzure | yashgaroth delivered some links for various studies | 14:40 |
jrayhawk | Eh, steroids and growth hormones seem effective and safe enough for me. | 14:42 |
jrayhawk | if I were to give a shit about muscle growth, that is. | 14:42 |
Steel | muscle growth = I can eat more | 14:42 |
kanzure | i'm still confused about why there's such a large amount of steroid misinformation | 14:42 |
jrayhawk | Only in the U.S. | 14:43 |
jrayhawk | Most everywhere else, anabolics are legal | 14:43 |
kanzure | the internet is less cluttered elsewhere? | 14:43 |
kanzure | or "because you live in the US you are probably exposed to anti-steroid propaganda" | 14:43 |
kanzure | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anabolic_steroids | 14:44 |
jrayhawk | I don't know if propaganda is even needed at this point; there's massive selection bias. | 14:44 |
jrayhawk | Basically the only time we hear about steroids is when some jackass overdoses. | 14:44 |
kanzure | i guess this is a result of wikipedia's "all views are equally valid" | 14:44 |
kanzure | "A 2005 review determined that some, but not all, randomized controlled studies have found that anabolic steroid use correlates with hypomania and increased aggressiveness, but pointed out that attempts to determine whether AAS use triggers violent behaviour have failed, primarily because of high rates of non-participation." | 14:45 |
kanzure | non-participation o.o | 14:45 |
Mokbortolan_ | some kid's dad went apeshit and some politicians took the reins to further their campaigns | 14:45 |
kanzure | is there some sort of secondary effect where- if you ban the drug itself- misinformation is generated about it? | 14:46 |
kanzure | why is that in the form of a question | 14:46 |
zacharycohn | jrayhawk: This site would be a lot more awesome if I could find any studies with results posted... | 14:47 |
kanzure | zacharycohn: mostly the results show up on pubmed... eventually | 14:47 |
Mokbortolan_ | kanzure: the misinformation is part of the initial campaign | 14:47 |
jrayhawk | http://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT00385671?term=portland&rank=26 i found one! | 14:47 |
Mokbortolan_ | and afterwards social rules take over and not only propagate it, but punish misinformation deniers | 14:47 |
jrayhawk | but i don't expect there's a lot of motivation to post results here; this seems like a recruitment platform. | 14:47 |
Mokbortolan_ | the monkeys make sure that nobody climbs the ladder | 14:48 |
zacharycohn | kanzure: I keep finding 3-4 year old studies with "no results posted" messages | 14:51 |
kanzure | oh yeah has anyone figured out if you can participate in overseas clinical trials while in the states? | 14:52 |
kanzure | 'transatlantic clinical trials' sounds pretty cool | 14:52 |
jrayhawk | It would depend on the experiment design, but I assume some of them would be okay. | 14:53 |
kanzure | eh i mean legal stuff | 14:53 |
jrayhawk | That would also depend on the experiment design. | 14:53 |
jrayhawk | I imagine importing drugs would be a no-no, but diet and behavioral studies don't really need that | 14:54 |
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jrayhawk | Does the U.S. have laws on medical tourism yet? | 14:55 |
kanzure | hi paolao | 14:58 |
paolao | hi | 15:00 |
jrayhawk | and, ironically, not all of these seem to be clincal trials | 15:02 |
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kanzure | bkero: one of the emokit maintainers is going to be speaking tomorrow at something | 16:45 |
kanzure | http://www.openyou.org/ | 16:45 |
kanzure | http://www.meetup.com/Data-Mining/events/50787192/ | 16:45 |
bkero | kanzure: orly | 16:46 |
kanzure | blah more people trying to recruit me to different transhumanism forums | 16:52 |
kanzure | if only people would work on projects, rather than putting so much time into recruiting pre-existing transhumanists | 16:53 |
Steel | what forum? | 16:54 |
kanzure | an onion network thing | 16:54 |
Steel | hahaha. | 16:54 |
Steel | goddamn, I'm worried about obscurity as is and they're usiong TOR? | 16:55 |
kanzure | who cares? | 16:55 |
Steel | not you | 16:55 |
kanzure | do you need help using tor Steel | 16:55 |
Steel | nope! I can use it. | 16:55 |
Steel | however, it raises barrier to entry | 16:56 |
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eudoxia | Steel you should have made an onion network/tor thing | 16:56 |
eudoxia | put us in some badass watchlists | 16:56 |
Steel | I'm pretty sure anyone w ho works for the government is put on a different agency's watchlist by default | 16:57 |
kanzure | the quality of work achieved does not depend on th quantity of clickthrough traffic... | 16:57 |
Steel | yes, but when people who are interested in the subject don't even fucking know about the concept/field in general, you don't want to raise your publicity barriers | 16:57 |
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kanzure | you're assuming everyon wants publicity :( | 16:58 |
kanzure | *everyone | 16:58 |
kanzure | if publicity happens just let it happen.. don't sweat it if it doesn't | 16:59 |
Steel | they don't, but the movement/philosophy (call it whatever you want, I don't care) needs it. | 16:59 |
kanzure | the what? | 16:59 |
kanzure | ok ok not this argument again | 16:59 |
Steel | when most biomeds I've talked to are interested after hearing about it, but never knew such a concept/group of people existed, there's an issue | 16:59 |
kanzure | medicine is very much already about health and improving bodies, what you smoking? | 17:00 |
Steel | 'is it like that crazy kurzweil stuff?' | 17:00 |
kanzure | kurzweil doesn't matter in the scheme of things | 17:00 |
Steel | you keep being awesome and trucking, dude. I'll keep telling people that these ideas exist. | 17:01 |
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Urchin | kurzweil sometimes makes predictions on principles that support opposite conclusions | 17:16 |
Urchin | like his idea of voice operated computers | 17:16 |
Urchin | I find keyboards hard to replace | 17:16 |
eudoxia | Kurzweil sometimes makes predictions on principles that benefit his companies | 17:16 |
Urchin | particularly as I use the terminal a lot | 17:16 |
eudoxia | "oh goodness I make text-speech software keyboards will go eat shit in the future" | 17:17 |
Steel | ugh | 17:18 |
Steel | fuuuuck. | 17:18 |
foucist | i think you need more than just voice operated, probably also need eyeball tracking | 17:18 |
foucist | to help the computer know wtf you want | 17:19 |
eudoxia | you can always use the mouse to specify context | 17:19 |
kanzure | the mouse sucks | 17:20 |
eudoxia | he didn't say anything about having to click with your voice | 17:20 |
kanzure | and i don't want to have to look at things to make things happen | 17:20 |
Steel | we're going to see swype operated glasses by the end of the year imo | 17:20 |
kanzure | if i had to look at all the things i've done with a keyboard, i'd be doomed | 17:20 |
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foucist | eudoxia: a window/pointer based system is probably doomed anyways, for voice operation | 17:21 |
eudoxia | unless the thing is so meta you can say "mod + r" and "alt + F4" and shit | 17:22 |
foucist | uh.. | 17:22 |
foucist | that defeats the purpose | 17:22 |
kanzure | i am sometimes able to do keystrokes on the order of 10-50ms | 17:23 |
kanzure | depending on which keys we are talking about | 17:23 |
kanzure | plus or minus 8 fingers | 17:23 |
kanzure | i don't think you can get that throughput with eyeball | 17:24 |
kanzure | *eyeballs | 17:24 |
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foucist | kanzure: yeah probably not | 17:25 |
kanzure | !! unless! | 17:28 |
kanzure | you use compound eyes | 17:28 |
kanzure | individually addressible compound eyes | 17:28 |
kanzure | OK so first i am going to need to find some articulated compound eye genes | 17:28 |
kanzure | and 3 paperclips and some glue | 17:28 |
* katsmeow-afk hides the duct tape | 17:29 | |
Vicarious | ohai | 17:32 |
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katsmeow-afk | i ask this because i do not know, what is the meaning of "strage"? | 17:33 |
Vicarious | could be a typo | 17:35 |
eudoxia | massacre? | 17:35 |
foucist | typo for strange | 17:35 |
eudoxia | according to define:strage | 17:35 |
foucist | otherwise it's an italian word | 17:36 |
katsmeow-afk | oh | 17:36 |
Vicarious | or a combination of stage and rage | 17:36 |
katsmeow-afk | http://dictionary.sensagent.com/strage/it-en/ | 17:38 |
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Vicarious | or it could be just a nickname | 17:40 |
kanzure | stage+rage sounds right | 17:40 |
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kanzure | i need something where i ca 5 | 17:54 |
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delinquentme | katsmeow-afk, arent you from #robotics? | 17:59 |
Steel | anyone in here from the NoVA region that needs a roommate? | 18:01 |
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ybit | i'm looking for a repository of images i can use for a kde booth... | 18:08 |
ybit | anyone here know of something like this/ | 18:09 |
ybit | i'm not so great at ripping images from flickr it turns out | 18:09 |
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ybit | http://www.clearbits.net | 18:11 |
ybit | nice | 18:11 |
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katsmeow-afk | delinquentme, yeas, but i have been in here years before today | 18:18 |
delinquentme | nice! | 18:18 |
delinquentme | its a good place to be | 18:18 |
katsmeow-afk | when i came in, there were only 5 nicks here, if that | 18:19 |
kanzure | ad now we are one million strong! | 18:20 |
kanzure | *and | 18:20 |
katsmeow-afk | it was like ybit, me, kansure, bkero, and fenn | 18:20 |
katsmeow-afk | i contribute nothing, really, but i might learn something | 18:20 |
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Steel | sup yashg | 18:28 |
yashgaroth | yo | 18:28 |
ybit | "i was here before ##hplusroadmap became popular, that's when the real discussions took place!" :) | 18:37 |
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nsh_ | katsmeow-afk is the evil twin. do not trust her lies | 18:51 |
yashgaroth | k | 18:51 |
katsmeow-afk | don't trust anyone's lies, silly | 18:54 |
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delinquentme | allllriiight | 20:45 |
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delinquentme | whats going on in heeereee | 20:45 |
Mokbortolan_ | I dunno | 20:47 |
delinquentme | kanzure, you still hacking away? | 20:47 |
kanzure | cooode | 20:47 |
delinquentme | ^^ nice | 20:51 |
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katsmeow-afk | wow, i met fenn's rl nice twin at the grocery store tonite, looked just like fenn | 21:58 |
sylph_mako | Why are you people so proximal with each other. | 22:01 |
katsmeow-afk | we aren't, the real fenn is a 3 day drive away from me | 22:01 |
katsmeow-afk | that said, some in here are gypsies, moving from one convention to the next | 22:02 |
sylph_mako | I see. | 22:02 |
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bkero | ybit: ##hsplusroadmap is popular? | 22:48 |
bkero | o shit 53 nicks | 22:49 |
bkero | 26 of which must clearly be bots ;) | 22:49 |
* katsmeow-afk agrres | 22:50 | |
katsmeow-afk | so eating 50gms of protien for breakfast will suppress appetite all day long? | 22:51 |
bkero | I usually go for the emotionally distraught appetite suppressant | 22:52 |
foucist | ybit: too bad you didn't participate in the real discussions | 22:53 |
katsmeow-afk | i don't know that one | 22:53 |
rkos | whats there to live for if you don't have an appetite? | 22:55 |
katsmeow-afk | merely having less of one, saving some money | 22:55 |
katsmeow-afk | i am so short on energy, i discovered that eating more isn't the answer | 22:57 |
ybit | foucist: ahh :'( | 23:01 |
ybit | it's true | 23:01 |
ybit | s/ahh/aww | 23:01 |
ybit | i participated by getting in the way | 23:01 |
ybit | that counts, right? | 23:01 |
Utopiah_ | I suppose most here know about https://6002x.mitx.mit.edu but just in case <- | 23:18 |
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foucist | ybit: :P | 23:46 |
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