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| --- Day changed Sat Mar 17 2012 | ||
| rdb | biofuel cell, eh? | 00:00 |
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| Steel3 | yeah | 00:00 |
| Steel3 | wondering how hard it would be to put in a human | 00:00 |
| rdb | in other words, catch a bunch of snails outside and stick electrodes in them? :-p | 00:01 |
| Steel3 | was thinking more stick it in you :P | 00:01 |
| rdb | I think you'd need a pretty big implant, or multiple connected ones, if you want to get a meaningful current out of you | 00:02 |
| Steel3 | only would have to do a proof of concept | 00:02 |
| rdb | not sure if this'd scale down to a very localised set of electrodes | 00:02 |
| rdb | then again I don't know exactly how this works | 00:03 |
| rdb | biology isn't my strong side | 00:03 |
| Steel3 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retroperitoneal_space yeah, no good way to diy this surgery... | 00:04 |
| rdb | eek | 00:04 |
| rdb | I'll stick to thermistors in my upper arm first | 00:05 |
| yashgaroth | wait why are you doing surgery on your abdomen? for that snail thing? | 00:07 |
| kanzure | http://museumvictoria.com.au/pages/7003/MVLiveSquidDissection.wmv | 00:07 |
| kanzure | mark norman dissection of a giant squid | 00:07 |
| kanzure | 400 MB (60 minutes) | 00:07 |
| kanzure | highlights: http://museumvictoria.com.au/learning-federation/video-temp/public-dissection-of-giant-squid-video/ | 00:08 |
| kanzure | "... There's things down there where their entire bodies are made of snot, they've got detachable heads, their teeth fall out, they explode and they eat their snot jackets. ... There is just weird things going on everywhere. ..." Dr Mark Norman | 00:08 |
| kanzure | http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3716543 | 00:08 |
| Steel3 | yashgaroth: was basically saying that playing with biofuel cells would be cool | 00:08 |
| kanzure | http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/07/17/2307028.htm | 00:08 |
| Steel3 | but the surgery is too risky/invasive | 00:08 |
| yashgaroth | is there a reason you necessarily need it in that location? | 00:09 |
| Steel3 | you need it wherever a lot of glucose passes through I think? | 00:10 |
| yashgaroth | that's anywhere in the blood | 00:10 |
| Steel3 | I'd need to read the paper | 00:10 |
| yashgaroth | liver might have slightly more, but not enough to be worth surgerizing | 00:10 |
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| katsmeow-afk | wasn't someone trying to do that in human trials to power insulin pumps and such? | 00:20 |
| katsmeow-afk | i think they all gave up | 00:20 |
| katsmeow-afk | clotting is bad for business | 00:20 |
| katsmeow-afk | altho, you know, your mileage may vary | 00:21 |
| Steel3 | don't think they used these cells | 00:23 |
| Steel3 | they haven't been human tested yet | 00:23 |
| * katsmeow-afk nods | 00:23 | |
| katsmeow-afk | i dunno more, twas maybe 2 decades ago, obsolete now | 00:23 |
| rdb | anyone ever experimented with implants that release chemicals into the body in some fashion? | 00:24 |
| katsmeow-afk | there's several versions of implantable pumps, none are diy, afaik | 00:25 |
| katsmeow-afk | i take various pills that leak chemicals into my body,, or else this is a pretty good virtual reality i am stuck in | 00:25 |
| yashgaroth | rdb, I'm guessing you don't mean a norplant | 00:26 |
| rdb | yeah, SR pills is an option, but it's still less controlled | 00:26 |
| katsmeow-afk | i cannot help but think norplants are wildly inaccurate doses | 00:27 |
| rdb | norplant is not what I had in mind | 00:27 |
| yashgaroth | sure, but for a first-gen tech it's pretty effective | 00:27 |
| katsmeow-afk | so is depoprovera, i hear, it's a semi-slow-absorb oil, iirc | 00:28 |
| rdb | I hadn't heard of norplant before though, so thanks for bringing it up | 00:30 |
| katsmeow-afk | it's been around 20 yrs, i think | 00:30 |
| katsmeow-afk | this might help, i dunno : http://duckduckgo.com/?q=%22slow+release+implant%22 | 00:31 |
| katsmeow-afk | this smells like norplant : Implanon – The Implanon Contraceptive Implant | 00:33 |
| katsmeow-afk | Mirena is a soft, flexible IUD that releases small amounts of hormone | 00:35 |
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| katsmeow-afk | http://duckduckgo.com/?q=implant+%22controlled+release%22 | 00:36 |
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| katsmeow-afk | jeese, they are releasing lots of stuff nowadays | 00:37 |
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| Steel3 | zacharycohn, what is up | 00:41 |
| zacharycohn | hi Steel3 | 00:41 |
| zacharycohn | how's it going? | 00:42 |
| Steel3 | have we talked before | 00:42 |
| zacharycohn | i think we exchanged a few lines | 00:42 |
| Steel3 | okay :) | 00:42 |
| Steel3 | working on anything cool atm? | 00:42 |
| zacharycohn | Steel3: I have way too many projects | 00:45 |
| zacharycohn | I idle on this channel to learn passively about some biotech stuff for a project I want to start sometime next fall, probably. | 00:45 |
| zacharycohn | in the mean time | 00:45 |
| zacharycohn | My next big project is going to be a campaign to "reclaim advertising space" with extremely non-commercial things | 00:46 |
| zacharycohn | example: Buying a billboard and putting Nyancat on it | 00:46 |
| zacharycohn | or buying a 30 second commercial spot on TV/movie theaters and just having a video of someone staring blankly and somewhat creepily back at the audience | 00:47 |
| zacharycohn | The goal with the content is to have something so weird and out there that people see it and think "Who the FUCK paid money for that and WHY" | 00:47 |
| Steel3 | that's pretty cool | 00:47 |
| Steel3 | just spare cash? | 00:47 |
| zacharycohn | going to crowdfund it | 00:48 |
| zacharycohn | one of my hobbies is doing things that cause a bit of mystery in other people's lives | 00:48 |
| zacharycohn | example: http://www.zaccohn.com/2010/03/new-mission-guerrilla-compliments/ | 00:48 |
| zacharycohn | I would hide stickynotes with compliments in places. People would find them hours, days, weeks, years later and have A) no idea who put it there, B) when it was put there, or C) why it was put there. | 00:49 |
| zacharycohn | No way to trace it back to my project | 00:49 |
| zacharycohn | or to me | 00:49 |
| zacharycohn | and so maybe they'd spend a few minutes that day thinking about it | 00:49 |
| zacharycohn | and it would make their day more interesting | 00:49 |
| zacharycohn | because too many people have boring days. | 00:49 |
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| A-Lusion | Anything interesting lately ? @_@ | 00:54 |
| zacharycohn | yeah, i just posted a bunch | 00:54 |
| zacharycohn | you missed it, sorry. :p | 00:54 |
| A-Lusion | D: | 00:54 |
| A-Lusion | Tell me something neat then | 00:54 |
| katsmeow-afk | i just saw a video of a chair that walks away from anyone trying to sit on it | 00:55 |
| A-Lusion | that is interesting | 00:55 |
| Steel3 | http://transhumani.com/topic68.html some general day-to-day news I repost | 00:55 |
| Steel3 | in case you aren't rss feeding everything | 00:55 |
| kanzure | how about you paste it in here | 00:56 |
| kanzure | instead of linking away | 00:56 |
| Steel3 | what, the news as I find it? | 00:56 |
| Steel3 | or each link I have in that thread | 00:56 |
| kanzure | does it matter? | 00:56 |
| A-Lusion | ahhh graphene news | 00:56 |
| Steel3 | kanzure: yes? the forum topic has a sense of permanence to it for people who aren't around when I post | 00:57 |
| kanzure | Steel3: go away | 00:57 |
| A-Lusion | Have you guys heard about the lens being developed to bring nano microscopy to smartphones ? | 00:57 |
| * kanzure watches a giant squid | 00:57 | |
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| Steel3 | not going away :P | 00:59 |
| A-Lusion | http://www.tomshardware.com/news/table-salt-sodium-chloride-18tb-hdd-10-nm,13728.html | 01:00 |
| A-Lusion | This is an interesting article :I | 01:00 |
| A-Lusion | table salt being used for the next gen of hard drives | 01:01 |
| Steel3 | wonder how many atoms/bit that is | 01:01 |
| A-Lusion | next gen computer hardware is coming out soon :3 | 01:05 |
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| A-Lusion | ah well my eyes are bleeding | 01:09 |
| A-Lusion | gnite | 01:09 |
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| Vicarious | hi | 04:51 |
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| kanzure | A unique advantage for giant eyes in giant squid http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0960982212001820 | 08:15 |
| kanzure | "Giant and colossal deep-sea squid (Architeuthis and Mesonychoteuthis) have the largest eyes in the animal kingdom [ [1] and [2]], but there is no explanation for why they would need eyes that are nearly three times the diameter of those of any other extant animal." | 08:15 |
| kanzure | "Here we develop a theory for visual detection in pelagic habitats, which predicts that such giant eyes are unlikely to evolve for detecting mates or prey at long distance but are instead uniquely suited for detecting very large predators, such as sperm whales." | 08:15 |
| kanzure | "We also provide photographic documentation of an eyeball of about 27 cm with a 9 cm pupil in a giant squid, and we predict that, below 600 m depth, it would allow detection of sperm whales at distances exceeding 120 m. With this long range of vision, giant squid get an early warning of approaching sperm whales." | 08:15 |
| kanzure | that does not sound like a ball | 08:16 |
| kanzure | size comparison and image of their lense http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-17365736 | 08:17 |
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| delinquentme | yeahh nice! | 09:23 |
| kanzure | hi Jaakko96 | 09:27 |
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| Jaakko96 | hay | 09:27 |
| delinquentme | faraday cages would isolate magnetism right? | 09:50 |
| delinquentme | electromagnetic spectrum | 09:50 |
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| kanzure | browser extension idea: | 10:09 |
| kanzure | replace imperial units with metric units :/ | 10:09 |
| kanzure | because damn. | 10:09 |
| delinquentme | http://www.doctortipster.com/6350-french-scientists-restored-the-youth-of-100-years-old-cells.html | 10:09 |
| delinquentme | Since this process was not possible through clasic preparation based on four genetic factors (OCT4, Sox2, Myc and KLF4 C), they added two more (NANOG and LIN28). | 10:10 |
| kanzure | isn't oct4, sox, klf, myc, nanog lin28 the ingredients to switch a cell into pluripotency | 10:11 |
| kanzure | yep.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Induced_pluripotent_stem_cell#Genes_of_induction | 10:11 |
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| delinquentme | kanzure: do you have a repo of prototyped equipment? | 10:14 |
| delinquentme | specifically im looking for examples of how people assemble makerbot type joints ... and just looking to eye through a bunch of prototyped frames | 10:14 |
| kanzure | try #reprap | 10:15 |
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| kanzure | http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/future_tense/2012/03/the_doomsday_clock_from_the_bulletin_of_atomic_scientists_tackles_biotechnology_.html | 11:19 |
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| archels | http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/future_tense/2012/03/the_doomsday_clock_from_the_bulletin_of_atomic_scientists_tackles_biotechnology_.html | 12:59 |
| katsmeow-afk | kansure said the same thing! | 12:59 |
| archels | ack | 13:01 |
| archels | thank you Eugen | 13:01 |
| katsmeow-afk | Eugen ? | 13:05 |
| jrayhawk | was that a tcp "ack" or a cathy "ack" | 13:35 |
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| Vicarious | hi | 15:17 |
| Urchin | hi | 15:17 |
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| Vicarious | ok, wb | 15:19 |
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| Steel3 | what's up all | 18:29 |
| Steel3 | hmm | 18:31 |
| Steel3 | interesting, most people in here are only on this one channel | 18:32 |
| nathaniel | Steel3 that's how freenode whoises work | 18:32 |
| Steel3 | welp, I'm dumb then :P | 18:32 |
| nathaniel | naw, it didn't used to be that way | 18:33 |
| nathaniel | the whois peculiarity, not your dumbness :3 | 18:33 |
| Steel3 | heh | 18:33 |
| Steel3 | I wanted some demographic data/scan for other interesting channels | 18:33 |
| nathaniel | you could use a client with a good /list organizer and search for things by topic/channel size | 18:34 |
| Steel3 | eh, was curious about social stuff too | 18:34 |
| Steel3 | for instance, I know a few people here are from biohack | 18:34 |
| Steel3 | and some more are in reprap | 18:34 |
| Steel3 | etc. | 18:34 |
| nathaniel | freenode has no emotions. we are pure. we are freenode. | 18:34 |
| nathaniel | on topic of kline. | 18:35 |
| nathaniel | *or | 18:35 |
| katsmeow | i suspect you'd need a cline to do a /list and then join all the interesting channel, do a //who # , then tally the matching nicks/addys in a db | 18:45 |
| katsmeow | if everyone did this, it would prolly bring freenode to a crawl | 18:45 |
| katsmeow | err, cline - client | 18:45 |
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| kanzure | Steel3: you would have to just ask us for the other channels that we use | 19:03 |
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| Steel3 | asking like 30 people, most of whom are afk...eh, was easier to just do a /whois (though obv, didn't work) | 19:04 |
| Steel3 | more like 42 | 19:04 |
| kanzure | #reprap #diybio #biohack #biopunk #linuxcnc #brlcad #startups #biology ##neuroscience ##bioinformatics ##chemistry ##python #RubyOnRails #django #jquery #javascript #svg #ai | 19:04 |
| Steel3 | I don't care that much *yet | 19:04 |
| kanzure | #homecmos | 19:04 |
| AdrianG | anyone tried donepezil | 19:05 |
| kanzure | #reddit-nootropics | 19:05 |
| AdrianG | well, its hardly a nootropic | 19:07 |
| AdrianG | it's rather a very diluted form of known poison. | 19:07 |
| Steel3 | one of my buddies keeps trying to get me to take lsd as a noot | 19:09 |
| Steel3 | lol | 19:09 |
| katsmeow | now see, if you do a //who # in all the rooms kanzure listed, you'd get a reply like "~kanzure@131.252.130.248 :0 Bryan Bishop" , and in your db you'd add the channel name to that entry,, repeat for each entry, for each of the 11,212 channels on freenode, taking you ~3hrs at one channel/sec, making your data possibly obsolete | 19:15 |
| delinquentme | serious question: why doesnt the richard dawkins foundation work on life extension | 19:22 |
| delinquentme | like if we assume that the fundimental crux religion provides is "life eternal" | 19:22 |
| delinquentme | then wouldn't it follow that if you want to promote knowledge | 19:22 |
| nathaniel | not really meta enough for them | 19:22 |
| delinquentme | that you'd go after that fundamental need? | 19:22 |
| delinquentme | nathaniel, can i get that said another way? | 19:23 |
| katsmeow | that = "this" , but over "there" | 19:23 |
| nathaniel | when you're trying to optimize how your foundation embodies your values | 19:23 |
| nathaniel | it can manifest itself as evangelism | 19:24 |
| delinquentme | nathaniel, still lost | 19:24 |
| katsmeow | well, if you repeat it rapturously, sure | 19:24 |
| nathaniel | in which case, you've totally abstracted yourself (vis a vis, meta) from the actual goals which you hope to achieve | 19:24 |
| nathaniel | simply because you have a shit ton of goals | 19:24 |
| nathaniel | which is fine | 19:24 |
| Steel3 | better question | 19:24 |
| delinquentme | katsmeow, i've found an example layout for the linear encoder im futzing with! | 19:25 |
| Steel3 | why the shit didn't steve jobs invest in cryo? | 19:25 |
| delinquentme | Steel2, because he was like | 19:25 |
| delinquentme | BUDDHA | 19:25 |
| delinquentme | idk | 19:25 |
| delinquentme | wasn't smert | 19:25 |
| katsmeow | an example layout that's not like a printer? | 19:25 |
| delinquentme | nathaniel, sorry im getting lost in your choice of vocabulary | 19:25 |
| Steel3 | dude was an atheist | 19:25 |
| delinquentme | simplicity is a virtue | 19:25 |
| nathaniel | hey now | 19:25 |
| delinquentme | yeah http://store.makerbot.com/magnetic-linear-encoder-v1-2-kit.html | 19:25 |
| delinquentme | for this guy | 19:25 |
| nathaniel | narrowness is a virtue, too | 19:26 |
| delinquentme | nathaniel, haha i just get the feeling we've not actually talked about anything pertaining to the "why not LEV" | 19:26 |
| yashgaroth | buddhists are atheists | 19:26 |
| Steel3 | I'm so confused | 19:26 |
| delinquentme | yashgaroth, arent they into the reincarnation? | 19:26 |
| Steel3 | yashgaroth: Some of them | 19:26 |
| yashgaroth | sure, but not deities | 19:27 |
| Steel3 | depends on branch | 19:27 |
| delinquentme | < modified buddhist | 19:27 |
| yashgaroth | just sayin', buddhism doesn't preclude atheism | 19:27 |
| katsmeow | delinquentme, you can prolly get an analog Hall effect sensor 10x cheaper | 19:27 |
| yashgaroth | and vice versa | 19:27 |
| delinquentme | katsmeow, true but that comes pre mounted and has an awesome resolution | 19:27 |
| Steel3 | mahayana buddhism has a lot more supernaturalism than zen buddhism | 19:27 |
| katsmeow | ok | 19:27 |
| delinquentme | like is 15 micron a typical hall sensor resolution? | 19:28 |
| nathaniel | delinquentme I get the feeling that we have. :( | 19:28 |
| nathaniel | delinquentme perhaps you should ask them. | 19:28 |
| katsmeow | with the magnetic strip , prolly | 19:28 |
| delinquentme | i have nathaniel haha no reply | 19:29 |
| delinquentme | asked twice | 19:29 |
| delinquentme | i think its the normal athiest thing of "i dont want to *DO* something.. i just want to be right" | 19:29 |
| delinquentme | http://objects.reprap.org/mediawiki/images/c/c1/Disp-assembled.jpg | 19:30 |
| delinquentme | that spring retainer | 19:30 |
| delinquentme | brilliant | 19:30 |
| katsmeow | for instance, you could get a digital dial caliper, be fairly immune to random wandering magnetig fields, and have a resolution of .001 easily | 19:30 |
| delinquentme | ohh yeah rue showed me something like that | 19:31 |
| nathaniel | well, delinquentme, whatever RD's method is, it worked on me once upon a time. | 19:31 |
| nathaniel | and, years later, I'm here. bona fide transhumanist. | 19:31 |
| delinquentme | to convert you nathaniel ? | 19:31 |
| delinquentme | cheers! | 19:31 |
| delinquentme | like hes qondeeloquentrfully | 19:31 |
| delinquentme | wonderfully eloquent** | 19:31 |
| nathaniel | so I presume that's the point. | 19:31 |
| delinquentme | unlike my typing | 19:31 |
| delinquentme | but like .. hes an evo biologist | 19:32 |
| delinquentme | surely theres more good than arguing with people in psychological denial | 19:32 |
| nathaniel | perhaps, perhaps not. | 19:32 |
| delinquentme | like its a needed fundamental belief ... I dont think anyone has ever been convinced via external source ( versus simply coming to it by ones own research ) that religion is ehh | 19:33 |
| delinquentme | like i dont think hes converting people | 19:33 |
| delinquentme | what would convert them? | 19:33 |
| delinquentme | removing the needed crutch | 19:33 |
| nathaniel | the crutch is often just the fact that people are unable to look outside their own community, not necessarily their own beliefs. who wants to jump off a cliff unless there's a trampoline at the bottom? | 19:34 |
| katsmeow | most religion has dogmas and politics, heierarchies of the players, required motions and functions for groveling to them,, ptui | 19:34 |
| delinquentme | IDK | 19:35 |
| nathaniel | delinquentme, when dealing with someone like RD, perhaps you should follow your own advice: "surely theres more good than arguing with people in psychological denial" | 19:35 |
| nathaniel | :3 | 19:36 |
| delinquentme | from a psychological standpoint i think it all comes down to death and sex | 19:36 |
| delinquentme | well curiosity is another aspect of that | 19:36 |
| katsmeow | or societal progress and altruism | 19:36 |
| delinquentme | altruism yeah | 19:36 |
| katsmeow | "i helped, therefore i am" | 19:36 |
| delinquentme | iDK things which drive us are very simple | 19:36 |
| delinquentme | death and sex are undeniably 2 things | 19:37 |
| kanzure | are you guys being atheism apologists? | 19:37 |
| kanzure | or what's going on | 19:37 |
| * katsmeow looks for dinner | 19:37 | |
| delinquentme | but there are things like wonder and curiosity | 19:37 |
| delinquentme | which dont quite fall into those | 19:37 |
| delinquentme | kanzure, im bitching about richard dawkins | 19:37 |
| kanzure | ok.. why :P | 19:37 |
| delinquentme | like hes a brilliant evo biologist | 19:37 |
| kanzure | is he? | 19:37 |
| delinquentme | who does nothing but preach to idiots | 19:37 |
| delinquentme | hes better than I am | 19:37 |
| kanzure | is he? | 19:37 |
| delinquentme | i've emailed them twice | 19:37 |
| nathaniel | when in combination with someone who asserts LEV as top priority, what is curiosity but long-term altruism? | 19:37 |
| Steel3 | I don't believe in altruism | 19:37 |
| delinquentme | and have been like " Y U NO LEV" | 19:38 |
| nathaniel | [for very long definitions of 'long'] | 19:38 |
| kanzure | delinquentme: you mean, he writes more books than you, and therefore he's "better" than you? | 19:38 |
| delinquentme | in a more indepth and fleshed out way | 19:38 |
| Vicarious | hi | 19:38 |
| delinquentme | kanzure, you're right in what you're getting at ... that possibly i could rival him .. with XYZ upgrades in skills | 19:38 |
| delinquentme | HOWVER | 19:38 |
| delinquentme | HOWEVER. | 19:38 |
| kanzure | i just don't see what you're trying to communicate | 19:39 |
| delinquentme | im really interested to know what they think about ridding death = more converts FROM religion | 19:39 |
| kanzure | are you angry? | 19:39 |
| kanzure | ok why do converts matter? | 19:39 |
| delinquentme | they dont. but! | 19:39 |
| delinquentme | i think thats what hes after | 19:39 |
| kanzure | you haven't even figured it out yet | 19:39 |
| delinquentme | and I say religion is the coping mech for death | 19:39 |
| delinquentme | so remove death | 19:39 |
| delinquentme | and the crutch is no longer needed | 19:39 |
| nathaniel | eh, we're probably going to rid death anyway. let them jump on the bandwagon once there's a finished product. | 19:39 |
| delinquentme | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ | 19:40 |
| kanzure | delinquentme: ok so you're angry that religion exists? | 19:40 |
| delinquentme | im angry that we've got a guy in his position whos *not* working on LEV | 19:40 |
| delinquentme | LE** | 19:40 |
| delinquentme | and I think it well aligns with his personal goals | 19:40 |
| nathaniel | well now | 19:40 |
| kanzure | popularity has nothing to do with whether or not you are working on LEV-related projects | 19:40 |
| delinquentme | but i think its harder | 19:40 |
| nathaniel | be angry at a politician or something then. | 19:40 |
| kanzure | i don't see the connection delinquentme | 19:40 |
| nathaniel | that's what everyone else does | 19:40 |
| delinquentme | no but public awareness aingnd he has to know someth | 19:40 |
| delinquentme | GRRR | 19:40 |
| kanzure | no, he doesn't.. | 19:41 |
| delinquentme | and he has to know something** | 19:41 |
| delinquentme | perhaps hes working on it in the background and must do so quietly | 19:41 |
| delinquentme | that will b e my coping mechanism | 19:41 |
| kanzure | (i happen to think he does have some amount of knowledge of course; but i don't think he's obligated to just because he's popular) | 19:41 |
| delinquentme | so I can get back to work | 19:41 |
| kanzure | yes i would recommend that | 19:41 |
| delinquentme | =] | 19:41 |
| nathaniel | okay, let's take this back a bit. | 19:41 |
| kanzure | let's not | 19:41 |
| nathaniel | I am going to. | 19:42 |
| nathaniel | you're welcome to stay in the future. | 19:42 |
| kanzure | i will kick you out | 19:42 |
| kanzure | delinquentme was just ranting because he's confused/angry | 19:42 |
| nathaniel | of the future? | 19:42 |
| kanzure | no, i will kick you out of the channel :P | 19:42 |
| nathaniel | for altruism?! D: | 19:42 |
| kanzure | presumably you want to continue some conversation about religion | 19:42 |
| delinquentme | lol | 19:43 |
| kanzure | what? whether or not steel3 believes in it? | 19:43 |
| nathaniel | steel3? I'm talking to delinquent me, right delinquentme? | 19:43 |
| delinquentme | oh come on kanzure dont boot people for talking about this stuff | 19:43 |
| kanzure | delinquentme: it's boring and old | 19:43 |
| delinquentme | obv not if they're talking about it | 19:43 |
| delinquentme | think about the fledgelings | 19:43 |
| delinquentme | they're angry and confused | 19:43 |
| delinquentme | and need a place for that angst | 19:44 |
| kanzure | they should go to the atheism places then | 19:44 |
| kanzure | and the circlejerks | 19:44 |
| delinquentme | disagree | 19:44 |
| delinquentme | bc thats a bad perpetuating habit | 19:44 |
| delinquentme | WE | 19:44 |
| delinquentme | we a healthy and directed | 19:44 |
| Steel3 | kanzure: atheism places are not transhumanism places | 19:44 |
| nathaniel | delinquentme, precisely. RDF is trying to be the place for that angst. | 19:44 |
| kanzure | why should i help you guys solve your problems with religion | 19:44 |
| delinquentme | and are stellar examples :D | 19:44 |
| Steel3 | we're not asking for your help :) | 19:44 |
| kanzure | i don't want your religious unhealthy crap in here | 19:44 |
| kanzure | sorry | 19:45 |
| delinquentme | =/ | 19:45 |
| delinquentme | le sigh | 19:45 |
| kanzure | well, why should i | 19:45 |
| kanzure | this isn't a church | 19:45 |
| kanzure | we're not a rleigion | 19:45 |
| kanzure | *religion | 19:45 |
| delinquentme | kanzure, this is more real than any religion | 19:45 |
| kanzure | delinquentme: religions impact lots of people's lives | 19:46 |
| delinquentme | listen man you've got that option | 19:46 |
| kanzure | how is this more or less real? that doesn't make any sense | 19:46 |
| delinquentme | i disagree | 19:46 |
| delinquentme | but you do what you want to | 19:46 |
| kanzure | like, why should we recruit dawkins to do longevity-related research? | 19:46 |
| kanzure | why not a longevity researcher instead | 19:47 |
| kanzure | or a molecular biology person | 19:47 |
| kanzure | then we can avoid all the religious baggage that he brings | 19:47 |
| nathaniel | because without baggage, we would only board the plane with one set of clothing. | 19:49 |
| delinquentme | IMO religion and the associated emotions can act as real catalysist to doing shit | 19:50 |
| nathaniel | kurzweil's the biggest religious fanatic of them all. I mean, "wake up the universe"? | 19:50 |
| delinquentme | so they can do the atheism circle jerk or they can get fired up and then have us point them in the right direction | 19:51 |
| nathaniel | doesn't mean he's not useful | 19:51 |
| delinquentme | right angle bracket>> awesomely simple solution http://www.mcmaster.com/#angle-brackets/=gpk7jo | 19:54 |
| katsmeow | those have been around in every hardware store in the usa forever, since the start of time | 20:01 |
| delinquentme | yeah haha | 20:14 |
| delinquentme | thats what i mean awesomely simple solution | 20:14 |
| delinquentme | soooo | 20:14 |
| delinquentme | yeah i just realized im trying to stack these pumps | 20:14 |
| delinquentme | fucking magnetic strips will cause issues | 20:14 |
| delinquentme | maybe high res optos are the best options | 20:15 |
| katsmeow | they were the solution to all, now they are fucking, hmm | 20:15 |
| delinquentme | ha | 20:15 |
| delinquentme | well theyre awesome if I only need 1 | 20:15 |
| delinquentme | but they're like 2" from each other @ most | 20:15 |
| kanzure | nathaniel: kurzweil isn't really a leader or anything | 20:19 |
| kanzure | i mean, he's just some guy who has lots of publicity | 20:19 |
| kanzure | his books were basically "take everything the extropians have been talking about, coming into ray's inbox, and turn it into a book" | 20:19 |
| kanzure | "plus ray's interpretation" | 20:20 |
| nathaniel | I never suggested leader. I can't stand the guy. :> | 20:21 |
| kanzure | none of us can | 20:22 |
| nathaniel | when de Grey, Yudkowsky, and me merge minds, [we]'ll gladly take his place. | 20:23 |
| nathaniel | fear not. | 20:23 |
| thylane | http://www.kurzweilai.net/ | 20:24 |
| thylane | People posting on the forums of that website are quacky --- and not in a funny way | 20:24 |
| thylane | http://www.kurzweilai.net/forums/topic/new-reasons-why-high-level-complex-universes-like-ours-must-be-simulations | 20:24 |
| nathaniel | must? MUST? | 20:24 |
| nathaniel | "event horizon of the Cosmic Singularity's feedback oscillation" | 20:25 |
| * nathaniel shudders | 20:25 | |
| kanzure | yashgaroth: you should subscribe to the la-grg mailman list | 20:25 |
| kanzure | nathaniel: i don't think yudkowsky is trustable | 20:25 |
| kanzure | *trustworthy | 20:25 |
| yashgaroth | k | 20:26 |
| kanzure | yashgaroth: have you gone to their meetings btw? | 20:26 |
| kanzure | gerontology research group's | 20:26 |
| yashgaroth | nope | 20:26 |
| kanzure | ok.. steve coles and such are in your area | 20:26 |
| kanzure | they have aubrey and lots of really odd niche researchers who do longevity research | 20:26 |
| nathaniel | kanzure oh don't mind me. mind-merging on anything other than a global scale (? la the internet++) doesn't really interest me. | 20:26 |
| kanzure | they are also the same people who do the supercentenarian stats that you hear in the news | 20:27 |
| kanzure | nathaniel: who are you | 20:27 |
| nathaniel | I'm a guy. I hang out in various freenode channels. I write things. I read things. I enjoy good beer and dim lighting. I sleep on the floor. | 20:28 |
| kanzure | uhrm | 20:28 |
| * katsmeow sleeps in a large nestbox 2ft off the floor (altho some nest boxes were 6ft off the floor) | 20:28 | |
| kanzure | so you're a journo? | 20:28 |
| nathaniel | don't insult me. I'm an academic. :3 | 20:29 |
| katsmeow | basically, heat rises, floors are cold | 20:29 |
| nathaniel | katsmeow tatami mats are nice thermal regulators and still count as 'floor', I think | 20:30 |
| kanzure | nathaniel: academic journalist? | 20:30 |
| kanzure | i mean, what do you do though | 20:30 |
| kanzure | are you an electronics person? | 20:30 |
| nathaniel | oh, what do I do... hmm. You mean for money. | 20:30 |
| kanzure | not necessarily for money | 20:31 |
| nathaniel | I've been a php dev recently, but I'm no longer interested in being a code monkey. I'm looking into various research asst positions atm. And I'm a journalist. :P | 20:32 |
| Steel3 | who are you a journalist for? | 20:33 |
| Steel3 | and what do you want to do research on? | 20:33 |
| nathaniel | the answers to both questions would reveal a certain societal subversity whose revelatory details would be both improper (given the religious topical barriers of this channel) and unwise | 20:34 |
| kanzure | oh good god php :( | 20:34 |
| kanzure | well ok | 20:34 |
| kanzure | nathaniel: programming has much more to offer to your life than php | 20:35 |
| kanzure | there's a life beyond php please don't take it as representative of programming | 20:35 |
| nathaniel | oh come now | 20:35 |
| nathaniel | it's got that grammatical specificity and arbitrariness | 20:35 |
| nathaniel | that gives a language its poetry | 20:35 |
| kanzure | no i mean, presumably you quit and went into journalism | 20:35 |
| kanzure | oh nevermind | 20:36 |
| kanzure | quit and went into theology | 20:36 |
| nathaniel | hah. sure. | 20:36 |
| strangewarp | I dreamt that Slavoj Zizek and I were celebrating Chicken Day by eating fried chicken in a house in the middle of a flood. | 20:36 |
| Steel3 | wat. | 20:37 |
| strangewarp | exactly my own reaction | 20:37 |
| kanzure | it's spelled wut | 20:37 |
| JayDugger1 | Good evening, everyone. | 20:38 |
| Steel3 | wat is a valid dialect :P | 20:38 |
| Steel3 | hey jay | 20:38 |
| JayDugger1 | Hello, Steel. How fare your abdominal muscles? | 20:40 |
| katsmeow | wut | 20:41 |
| Steel3 | sore | 20:41 |
| Steel3 | getting stronger | 20:41 |
| JayDugger1 | Excellent! | 20:41 |
| Steel3 | not quite at platemail protection levels :P | 20:41 |
| JayDugger1 | I thought about trying the exercise, but I lack the strength for it. | 20:42 |
| JayDugger1 | That looks hard, and my one failed attempt makes me think it even harder than it looks. | 20:42 |
| strangewarp | Is this that dragon-flag thing? | 20:43 |
| JayDugger1 | Yes. | 20:43 |
| strangewarp | Pretty darn hardcore | 20:44 |
| Steel2 | my other irc froze | 20:44 |
| Steel2 | I tried the 300 workout last weekend and chose poorly in pre-workout nutrition | 20:44 |
| thylane | In another channel, I am arguing that we cannot assume constant tendency in evolution towards higher intelligence. And yet all over the comment section on Kurzweil.net, this is just assumed as some sort of unquestioned axiom | 20:44 |
| Steel2 | well | 20:45 |
| Steel2 | the tradeoff has to be worth the increased energy needs | 20:45 |
| kanzure | thylane: intelligence is bogus anyway | 20:46 |
| katsmeow | i put forth that natural selection is no longer working | 20:46 |
| kanzure | nobody can point to "intelligence" in the brain | 20:46 |
| Steel2 | it selects for other stuff katsmeow | 20:46 |
| katsmeow | what is "it" steel? | 20:46 |
| thylane | kanzure Well I definitely think what you are pointing out is a strong argument against "AGI" | 20:46 |
| kanzure | thylane: that only humans can have a brain? | 20:47 |
| Steel2 | sorry, natural selection selects for survival of the fittest (theoretically) | 20:47 |
| sylph_mako | there is no "it", that's an odd corner of english linguistics. | 20:47 |
| thylane | I mean, after all, there is no such thing as "General INtelligence" because there is no such animal as "general environment" | 20:47 |
| Steel2 | 'fittest' is changing | 20:47 |
| kanzure | Steel2: well, survival of the *fit* | 20:47 |
| kanzure | not the fittest | 20:47 |
| kanzure | fittestest | 20:47 |
| Steel2 | everything above a cutoff line then | 20:47 |
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| katsmeow | but not intelligence, as social programs and warning lables are selecting for stupidity now | 20:47 |
| kanzure | Steel2: yes... that cutoff line is fit :) | 20:47 |
| kanzure | fitness | 20:47 |
| kanzure | right? | 20:47 |
| Steel2 | or fit is the cutoff line | 20:47 |
| Steel2 | semantics | 20:47 |
| kanzure | katsmeow: what, intelligent design? | 20:48 |
| katsmeow | no, steel's natural selection forces, | 20:48 |
| kanzure | thylane: i think the human brain does something interesting, and that computers will be abl to do "a human brain" better than humans | 20:48 |
| kanzure | intelligence has never been a natural selection force | 20:48 |
| kanzure | what? | 20:48 |
| katsmeow | and whatever evolution thylane mentioned | 20:48 |
| katsmeow | i never said intelligence was a natural selection force | 20:49 |
| thylane | A constant arrow in time from amphibian to intelligent hominid is not gauranteed in evolution. It cannot be assumed to be true. I mean after all, ants and cockroaches appear to be the masters of the biosphere, if you want to get down to numbers | 20:49 |
| kanzure | "masters"? | 20:49 |
| kanzure | what defines masterhood | 20:50 |
| katsmeow | quality over quantity | 20:50 |
| kanzure | quality in what direction | 20:50 |
| kanzure | or what measurement.. er.. what? | 20:50 |
| thylane | masterhood either means they dominate the biomass of the rainforest, and/or they will survive a nuclear ice age just fine. | 20:50 |
| kanzure | thylane: sure but someone will argue that humans can burn the forests down easily | 20:50 |
| katsmeow | well, in an ice age, neanderthals may have been able to brute force survive due to some caloric intake, but smarter hominids could relax in a cave with a fireplace | 20:51 |
| sylph_mako | Life's approach to sustaining existence is so circuitous and silly. Carbon atoms know where it's at. Motherfuckers don't even need energy. | 20:53 |
| thylane | katsmeow I was assuming somethng rather more catastrophic with the atmosphere than things just getting really cold. | 20:53 |
| thylane | Something that would spell the end to humans as there would be no air | 20:54 |
| thylane | cockroaches will make it through however | 20:54 |
| katsmeow | no air means the roaches and termites die too | 20:54 |
| thylane | I don't mean no atmosphere-- I mean no atmosphere capable of sustaining the huge intake needs of the human lungs | 20:55 |
| katsmeow | ah, where "no" = "some" | 20:55 |
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| thylane | a quick change in the composition of the atmosphere--- too much or too little oxygen --- kiss your happy homo sapiens goodbye | 21:08 |
| kanzure | what happened to that article about larger bugs due to more oxygen | 21:09 |
| kanzure | aha | 21:09 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/bio/Plastic%20and%20evolved%20responses%20of%20larval%20tracheae%20and%20mass%20to%20varying%20atmospheric%20oxygen%20content%20in%20Drosophila%20melanogaster.pdf | 21:09 |
| kanzure | that was a good one :3 | 21:09 |
| Steel2 | kanz, I know someone working on breeding silkworms in high oxygen environments | 21:09 |
| * katsmeow isn't so enthralled with life anyhow <shrug> | 21:10 | |
| Steel2 | *for fun | 21:10 |
| kanzure | how many generations is he into | 21:10 |
| Steel2 | he's just starting | 21:10 |
| Steel2 | I think he said it's like 2 gens a year | 21:11 |
| kanzure | http://www.forbes.com/sites/clareoconnor/2012/03/12/how-spanx-became-a-billion-dollar-business-without-advertising/ | 21:13 |
| kanzure | "Blakely, 41, grew her undergarment empire without any outside investment, debt, or even a cent spent on traditional advertising: no magazine spends, no TV spots, no billboard buys." | 21:13 |
| katsmeow | wierd | 21:13 |
| kanzure | '“We had to spend money only on things that make money and advertising was esoteric. You couldn’t really measure the return you were going to get so we didn’t do it.' | 21:13 |
| kanzure | i kept reading it as spanks until i realized that this is span-ex | 21:13 |
| katsmeow | what? | 21:14 |
| kanzure | span-ex is a popular product.. "Spanks" sounds like a bad name for a porn magazine | 21:14 |
| kanzure | "x" is sometimes "ecks" or "ks" (so you can see how "spanx" => "spancks" or "spanks") | 21:15 |
| katsmeow | but the name of the article plainly says "spanx", the underwear | 21:15 |
| kanzure | yes because i've never seen "span-ex" written down as "spanx" | 21:16 |
| kanzure | in fact, i have never seen spanx written before (only heard aloud) | 21:16 |
| Steel2 | yashgaroth: 'Ask me about being a Transhumanist' on SA. bad idea or worst idea? | 21:16 |
| yashgaroth | I think the last one got 1-voted p. quick | 21:16 |
| kanzure | "I lie, cheat and steal users from everywhere" | 21:16 |
| Steel2 | yeah, SA also follows a very, uh | 21:17 |
| Steel2 | lit-crit/STS studies view on science | 21:17 |
| Steel2 | 'furthering the goals of capitalist pigs' etc. etc. | 21:17 |
| kanzure | Steel2: do you know about the basement dwelling goon? | 21:17 |
| Steel2 | I know a lot about stereotypes :P | 21:17 |
| kanzure | no i mean THE basement dwelling goon | 21:17 |
| yashgaroth | we're not all like that | 21:17 |
| kanzure | it turns out it's jrayhawk | 21:18 |
| kanzure | http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=2537734&userid=79027 | 21:18 |
| kanzure | jrayhawk: aarrgh those links are broken | 21:18 |
| katsmeow | i was thinking fenn | 21:18 |
| Steel2 | none of these pics still work | 21:18 |
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| Steel2 | site's down kanz | 21:19 |
| yashgaroth | oh god fyad | 21:19 |
| kanzure | fenn is not a goon | 21:20 |
| kanzure | in fact i'm not even a goon | 21:20 |
| Steel2 | yashgaroth and I am | 21:20 |
| kanzure | why am i not a goon? | 21:20 |
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| kanzure | hi Thorbinator_ | 21:20 |
| kanzure | hi Replop | 21:20 |
| Replop | hi Thorbinator_ & kanzure | 21:20 |
| Thorbinator_ | sup | 21:20 |
| Replop | ' | 21:20 |
| kanzure | what brings you here? | 21:20 |
| kanzure | smells like a person i bet | 21:20 |
| Thorbinator_ | this is the my little pony channel right? | 21:21 |
| Steel2 | my fault, I didn't ask for this. | 21:21 |
| Thorbinator_ | :P | 21:21 |
| kanzure | yeah this is the my little pony channel | 21:21 |
| kanzure | wait, no | 21:21 |
| kanzure | that's #lesswrong | 21:21 |
| Replop | heard about potentially interesting discussions ; saw the light, wandered in. | 21:21 |
| Thorbinator_ | he's always going towards the light | 21:21 |
| kanzure | does replop refer to reprap? | 21:21 |
| Thorbinator_ | It's going to get him in trouble one day | 21:22 |
| Replop | kanzure: sadly no, I used this before hearing about reprap. | 21:22 |
| Replop | but I like reprap concept | 21:23 |
| kanzure | alright | 21:24 |
| delinquentme | Replop, true | 21:26 |
| delinquentme | Thorbinator_, you guys building robots? | 21:26 |
| Thorbinator_ | I wish | 21:27 |
| delinquentme | or are you like social game mechanics y combinator startup ? | 21:27 |
| Thorbinator_ | I've been to battlebots once | 21:27 |
| * delinquentme elly | 21:27 | |
| * delinquentme JELLY | 21:27 | |
| delinquentme | thats bad ass | 21:27 |
| Thorbinator_ | yea it was fun | 21:27 |
| delinquentme | soo then someone told you that we've engineered cellular rejuvination? | 21:28 |
| delinquentme | well. | 21:28 |
| Thorbinator_ | did you activate the transcription for telomerase? | 21:28 |
| delinquentme | we're not QUITE there yet... but ... http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.doctortipster.com%2F6350-french-scientists-restored-the-youth-of-100-years-old-cells.html&h=TAQEv36Ol | 21:28 |
| delinquentme | Thorbinator_, oh shit .. knows some things! | 21:28 |
| Thorbinator_ | I'm a toxicology student | 21:28 |
| delinquentme | DANGER NUB ROBINSON | 21:28 |
| delinquentme | oh thats hot | 21:28 |
| delinquentme | im a business student | 21:29 |
| delinquentme | :D | 21:29 |
| delinquentme | well graduated | 21:29 |
| Replop | wouldn't it have been easier to link directly to the target news story, instead of facebook ? | 21:29 |
| delinquentme | Replop, true! | 21:29 |
| Replop | easier for the end user, at last. | 21:29 |
| delinquentme | i just copied the FB link | 21:29 |
| delinquentme | FB is kind of like my repo | 21:29 |
| delinquentme | Replop, whats your background? | 21:30 |
| Replop | basement dweller that studied a bit of physics and CS ; sometimes work in IT | 21:31 |
| delinquentme | nice! | 21:33 |
| delinquentme | i like to leave the house sometimes | 21:33 |
| Replop | beware of the treachearous plasma ball | 21:34 |
| Thorbinator_ | the daystar is merciless | 21:35 |
| kanzure | Replop: what do you do in the basement besides physics | 21:39 |
| kanzure | or, er, computing | 21:39 |
| kanzure | any projects? | 21:39 |
| Replop | it was a metaphorical basement, I actually am above ground level. | 21:40 |
| Replop | and not much projects, merely "interests". | 21:40 |
| JayDugger1 | How much advertising do you with such a brand name? | 21:41 |
| Vicarious | 5:42 a.m., almost time to go home and take a nap | 21:43 |
| Replop | Sleep is a good idea, indeed. | 21:44 |
| Vicarious | waste of time imo | 21:47 |
| Replop | still a necessity. | 21:48 |
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| Thorbinator_ | I always need to sleep, I never want to. | 22:03 |
| Vicarious | C8H10N4O2 ftw | 22:04 |
| delinquentme | Thorbinator_, agreed. | 22:06 |
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| Mokbortolan_ | does anybody have a bodybugg and a live subscription? | 22:50 |
| delinquentme | Mokbortolan_, im sorry is that a vibrator? | 22:53 |
| Mokbortolan_ | sort of | 22:53 |
| delinquentme | incase anyone likes beautiful human tech http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4f/CMS_Silicon_Tracker_Arty_HiRes.jpg | 23:11 |
| Mokbortolan_ | delinquentme: it's a biometric logging device | 23:16 |
| delinquentme | Mokbortolan_, yeah :D | 23:17 |
| kanzure | if i ever write a lame book, it should be called "faster than moore" | 23:22 |
| kanzure | or "more than moore" | 23:22 |
| kanzure | everyone will groan but i'll sell like 10 copies and it'll be good | 23:23 |
| kanzure | i guess people keep saying "faster than moore's law" because moore's law is so popular | 23:24 |
| kanzure | but why not just say how much faster.. or just give it a new name | 23:24 |
| Mokbortolan_ | I got the python app working, but I need a few more bits of data to make it work with the watch display | 23:25 |
| Mokbortolan_ | I need to capture the synchronization data | 23:25 |
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| strangewarp | That is its name, kanzure | 23:54 |
| strangewarp | the Faster Than Moore's Law | 23:54 |
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| kanzure | Super Moore | 23:57 |
| kanzure | :V | 23:57 |
| delinquentme | night! | 23:59 |
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