2012-03-24.log

--- Log opened Sat Mar 24 00:00:05 2012
delinquentmekanzure, stuff looking good00:50
delinquentmerebooting00:50
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kanzureman you've all been boring for the past eight hous09:06
kanzurehours09:06
chris_99heh, anyone know anything about ir spectroscopy?09:08
chris_99ooh just found this http://www.threehillsobservatory.co.uk/astro/spectroscopy_11.htm09:10
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uniqanomaly_http://www.reddit.com/r/transhumanism/comments/r6cek/computer_hackers_could_cross_line_from_computer/09:15
uniqanomaly_the fuck09:15
uniqanomaly_news.techworld.com/security/3345653/computer-hackers-could-cross-line-from-computer-to-biological-attacks-says-fortinet-researcher/?cmpid=TD1N2&no1x1&olo=daily%20newsletter *09:15
uniqanomaly_sorry09:15
thesnarkZomFG!!!!09:16
thesnarkSHUT.09:16
thesnarkDOWN.09:16
thesnarkEVERYTHING.09:16
ThomasEgi... start with that guy^09:16
uniqanomaly_1) write a virus 2) find cure 3) ... 4) profit09:17
uniqanomaly_why these fuckers even write articles like that09:20
ThomasEgiattention whores?09:21
kanzurehmm so a virus that is both software+biology09:22
kanzurei think that's doable09:22
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kanzurebut i don't see how a sequenced genome could infect software09:22
kanzurethe only thing it would be useful for is transmitting the sequence digitally09:22
ThomasEgijust ignore those articles.09:23
kanzureperhaps as part of a fairly non-obvious genome09:23
kanzureThomasEgi: no no, i'm thinking how i would do that09:23
ThomasEgiunless you have propper was to translate between dna and digital world. the whole idea is nonsense09:23
kanzureyeah.. you read dna into bytes09:23
ThomasEgi*ways09:23
kanzurethis is done all the time09:23
ThomasEgiyeah but.. you do this in a lab09:23
kanzureit's alled dna sequencing09:23
kanzureyes.. and things get sequenced all the time09:23
ThomasEgiit wont just.. happen when someone sits in front of a computer09:23
kanzurei don't think that's my claim?09:24
ThomasEgii was commenting on the "how gnomes could infect software" from the article.09:25
kanzurei think at best genomes can be sequenced which will "infect" the data repository09:25
kanzurewith the sequence..09:25
uniqanomaly_hmm, viruses targeting sequencing companies and hardware09:26
kanzureThomasEgi: the only advantage of that.. is that at some point, when the genome is running in an organism, the proteins would be created09:26
uniqanomaly_bleh dna synthesis companies and hardware09:28
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audykanzure engineered virus forces victim to write computer virus10:13
audykanzure or just smash computers10:13
audy(easier)10:13
audyvirus.fasta ?10:14
audymaybe someone in #estoeric knows a computer language that consists of only G, A, T & C10:14
kanzurei doubt someone would be stupid enough to run their .fasta file as an executable esoteric GATC language10:16
kanzurei forgot how much i liked death note10:17
audy#!/usr/bin/env esoteric_gatc_language10:18
kanzureaudy: just sequencing is enough to proliferate the sequence10:18
audyRover finds martians, second rover launched with illumine machine. Alien genome actually a computer virus10:18
kanzuresomeone will probably synthesize it at some point in the future10:18
audyAh, reproduction via sequencing and synthesis10:19
kanzurewell? isn't that how all the other viruses do it?10:19
audythat is interesting. But whatever the genome makes would have to be appealing10:19
audykanzure never thought of it like that10:19
Urchinyou could say that a regular old virus is actually a computer virus as well10:23
Urchinmolecular assembly hacking virus to be specific10:24
kanzure"actually a computer virus" you have your priorities upside down :P biotics came first10:24
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Urchinno, I don't a ribosome's operations do remind a lot of a Turing's machine10:32
Urchinmay even come closer than actual computers10:32
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delinquentme_kanzure,10:52
delinquentme_it is approaching10:52
delinquentme_at least for annualreviews10:52
delinquentme_thoughts on if I should cron job this?10:53
kanzurenot yet.. but probably, yes10:57
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audyUrchin how does a ribosome resemble a turing machine?11:05
audyUrchin I'm from a biology background so maybe I just don't understand turing machines well enough but wouldn't a Ribosome need to be able to read and write in both directions?11:08
Urchinit would depend on the program, actually11:17
Urchinthese are structured so it doesn't have to switch directions11:18
Urchinfrom what I understand about ribosomes they have an equivilent of every significant feature: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_machine#Informal_description11:21
delinquentme_I have a PHD from the Academy of Spirituality & Paranormal Studies, Inc.11:23
delinquentme_TRUE11:23
delinquentme_LOL11:23
delinquentme_anyone know where to get high res images of diplomas from different schools?11:23
katsmeow-afk"wait in the doctor's office with your camera, please, he'll be with you shortly, in an hour or two"11:24
delinquentme_id love to make something that would generate diplomas11:25
delinquentme_LULz would piss lots of people off11:25
katsmeow-afkthe important places verify11:26
kanzurenobody has ever verified my diplomas11:28
katsmeow-afkwho do you work for?11:28
kanzurevarious startups11:28
katsmeow-afk</rhetoric>11:28
kanzuredelinquentme_: there used to be some sites that generated diploma images.. does that count?11:28
delinquentme_thats exactly what im talking about!11:30
delinquentme_lololol11:30
chris_99why don't you print your own money while you're at it delinquentme_ ;)11:30
delinquentme_chris_99, im not trying to bankrupt the US ... only the schools within it :D11:31
kanzure"printing diplomas? it's like printing money!"11:31
delinquentme_im a little right of chaotic neutral11:31
delinquentme_lololol11:31
chris_99hehe11:31
kanzuredelinquentme_: no..11:31
kanzurethe real way to go about doing it11:31
kanzureis to start a company that verifies diplomas11:31
kanzureand then you extort the person that a company is verifying11:32
delinquentme_haha ohhh man11:32
katsmeow-afkget insurance for when you cost someone a job that actually has a valid diploma11:32
kanzurekatsmeow-afk: *invalid?11:32
katsmeow-afkhas valid diploma, but you error and say it's invalid, they lose job, they sue you11:33
kanzureoh, you only extort the people that have invalid ones11:33
kanzureyou verify with the universities11:33
katsmeow-afki was speaking outside the area of extortion11:34
katsmeow-afkunis have known to make mistakes too, tho in that case you might be able to pass the lawsuit along to the uni11:34
katsmeow-afkto get usrda of dietary choline from peanut butter, a tablespoon every 30 minutes during a 12hr day11:39
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delinquentme_are pass-through variables necessarily bad practices?11:48
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delinquentme_no operations in the method ... just pushing them through to the next method which actually uses them11:48
kanzuredelinquentme_: no.. but you might want to consider using classes?11:51
kanzurehi lichen11:51
delinquentme_true...11:55
lichenhi11:56
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Mariu=]12:29
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delinquentme_HOWDAH12:45
jrayhawkDXHR for $7.50 http://store.steampowered.com/sale/squareenixweekend201212:56
bkeroosnap12:57
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ThomasEgioh.. y u send me thos links?13:21
ThomasEgii have work to do!13:21
jrayhawkdestroying a police station with soda machines is far more important13:21
ThomasEgiof cour.. wait.. who told you bout my plan?13:22
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archelsjrayhawk: damn it, PayPal payment processing seems to be borked14:12
kanzureuh yes14:13
kanzuredon't use paypal :(14:13
archelsI don't have my credit card handy14:14
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ybithttp://shoals.sam.usace.army.mil/ :: how is this done14:30
sylph_makoUse cashsender. They're the cheapest and most legit. [I don't know what you're talking about and just wanted to mention cashsender for being the cheapest and most legit]14:30
sylph_mako[it probably wouldn't do.]14:31
ybithow do they determine the distance from the plane to the water surface and then to the bottom14:31
kanzurewait they call it "bathymetry"?14:32
ybithttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bathymetry14:32
kanzurehah alright.. whatever14:33
ybitcouple whatever it is they are doing with a uav and my osm endeavors suddenly become a little easier14:33
ybitopenstreetmap*14:33
kanzurefenn: can i call upon your services to attend this?14:35
kanzureHear about Synthetic Biology at DNA2.0 by Madhuri Ganta14:35
kanzurehttp://www.meetup.com/BioCurious/events/56742062/14:35
kanzuredna2.0 is a gene synthesis outfit14:35
ybitgoogle to the rescue14:38
klafkaooh14:53
klafka20 bucks14:53
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klafkathat's fascinating14:55
klafkathey are in my companies town14:55
klafkaoh like tjey are near the ghetto14:56
kanzureklafka: biocurious?15:03
klafkano dna2.015:05
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kanzure"For example, many of the new space private companies have connections with the Foundation for the Future, which has been accused of racist and eugenic philosophies [3]."16:30
kanzureuhuh..16:30
kanzure"Not to mention the vaguely eugenic rhetoric by some singularity advocates [4], a post biological view in which many in the new space industry are enrolled [5]. Note: I'm not saying that all private space companies are run by eugenicists, or that all trans-humanists are eugenicists either, simply that this connection is there and it is dangerous."16:30
Steel2who's this from kanz16:35
kanzuresome trash site16:36
Steel2which?16:37
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katsmeow-afkisn't a private space corp due to launch to dock with the space station next month?17:26
katsmeow-afki read they launch in april and dock in May17:26
Replopwhich one ?17:26
ReplopI didn't think SpaceX was ready so soon17:27
katsmeow-afki forget, no one else cared, so it wasn'timportant17:27
Replopit would be a milestone for the space industry17:27
katsmeow-afkiagree17:27
Replopand we need cheap space access for any later ambitious project17:28
Replopmaybe not any.17:28
ParahSailinboeing is 'private' and their craft have docked with space stations17:28
ParahSailintheirs just came with nasa painted on instead of boeing17:28
katsmeow-afkhttp://duckduckgo.com/?q=April+private+space+station+dock+May17:29
Replopyes, but SpaceX also  work on neat reusable designs17:29
ParahSailinthat is the part that actually differentiates them from other nasa contractors17:30
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n_benthaapril 30th, right?17:36
n_benthawe need to clear up space debris first!17:36
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ParahSailinhttp://www.zmescience.com/space/spacex-founder-500-000-trip-mars/17:36
n_benthaeither drop it back down to the atmosphere or put it in one place so we can use it when we build things in space17:36
n_benthaEDDE system looks promising17:37
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ParahSailinid be suprised if 500k usd buys a stick of gum by the time humans land on mars17:38
n_benthaParahSailin: do you know they will be able to deal with wind-gusts affecting the deceleration burn on the return flight?17:38
n_benthahaha, it's 500k/seat though...bulk pricing per se17:38
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ParahSailinim very skeptical of that pr video they put out17:38
ParahSailinthe rendered video with music17:38
ParahSailinill believe it when they do it17:39
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ParahSailinimo the real answer to space is a space cannon to lunch metal, fuel, and other dead stuff17:41
n_benthauhhh...u mean a space elevator?17:41
ParahSailina space cannon would work as the first stage, and youd only need a little bit of impulse as stage 217:42
ParahSailinan actual cannon17:42
Steel2no17:43
Steel2well17:43
Steel2space cannon is a good first step17:43
Steel2preferably you build a launch loop17:43
Replopor a magnetic loop17:43
Reploplaunch loop*17:43
Steel2goddamn, Tsutomu Nihei's stuff is transhumanist but so fucking weird17:44
ParahSailinspace cannon is more elegant answer to reusability17:44
Steel2launch loop is more efficient iirc17:44
ParahSailinwhats a launch loop17:44
Reploplinky to that weird japanese stuff ?17:45
n_benthathey've launched the falcon 9 before...so i'm not quite sure what happened to it. the video clip cuts off when they put the dragon capsule into earth orbit17:45
Steel2http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Launch_loop17:45
Steel2(note that launch loops can't be built yet, but they're considerably easier than space elevators)17:45
Steel2well, small ones could17:46
n_benthai don't think it's easier than an elevator...17:46
Replopif we talk about elegant solutions;  I like the Hastol  ( Hypersonic Airplane, Space Tether, Orbital Launch ) : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-rocket_spacelaunch#Hypersonic_bolus_.28HASTOL.29   &  http://www.tethers.com/papers/HASTOLAIAAPaper.pdf17:46
Steel2bentha, it's significantly easier17:46
Steel2I dunno if you understand just how hard a space elevator is17:46
ParahSailinby elegant i mean practicable with existing tech17:46
Replopby that definition, a space elevator is out17:46
Steel2a small space fountain could be built17:47
Steel2Replop, you want a link to the one that makes the most sense or the one that makes the least sense? :P17:48
Replopboth links :D17:48
ParahSailinspace cannon with light as gun could fire off a 1000 kg projectile containing final chemical rocket stage at 3km/s17:48
Replop3 km/s isn't enough17:49
Replopyou need 11km/s17:49
Steel2http://www.mangareader.net/1731/knights-of-sidonia.html makes decent sense17:49
ParahSailinits enough as the _first_stage17:49
Steel2http://mangafox.me/manga/blame/ fairly fucking confusing17:49
Replopyes, of course.17:49
Replop"Chapters 1-19: Read from left to right  ;   Chapters 20-66: Read from right to left"  Coherency, how far gone are you ?17:50
Steel2BLAME?17:52
Steel2it's not amazingly translated17:52
Steel2and his stuff is confusing at the best of times17:52
ReplopI see17:52
Replopdunno if I would have the patience to read this17:52
kanzureblame is pretty good17:52
Steel2tsutomu is one of the few scifi manga artists who's comfortable with fucking weird implications of high level bio/cogtech17:53
ParahSailinhttp://quicklaunchinc.com17:53
Steel2granted, half his stuff makes no sense17:55
Steel2kanzure, have you read Knights of Sidonia at all yet?17:55
kanzureno.17:55
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Steel2my impression of blame was that the scattered tribes of humans seen were the remnants, and most people (from when the Net first started) had been wireheading for the last 3k years17:56
ReplopI am searching a mention of the acceleration whistanded by the payload , on that quicklaunch system17:56
Replopseen any ?17:57
ParahSailindont launch people with that system is the answer17:57
Replopyeah, but there are lots of other sensitive stuff.17:57
ParahSailinelectronics are pretty easy to g-harden17:58
Replopbut at last it may be good to resuply orbital fuel depots17:58
ParahSailinthe artillery people have been doing that for decades17:58
ParahSailinpot it in epoxy17:58
Reploponce again, military technologies comes to the rescue :D17:58
katsmeow-afk"ok, the astronauts are potted, and have no clue what we are about to do to them"17:59
katsmeow-afk"potted" being slang for "drunk"18:01
ParahSailinyou one of those eniglish?18:02
ParahSailindo you guys really say 'ta' for thx?18:02
* katsmeow-afk has never been to Britain18:03
katsmeow-afkanyone know what a Sagian Multipette is?18:11
Replopseems to be an  Automated Pipette Robot18:12
katsmeow-afksomeone in otehr channel cannot make it run, need help, want me to send them to here?18:12
katsmeow-afkor not?18:13
Reploponly if someone  here seems used to it.  I never used that kind of lab equipment18:13
katsmeow-afkok, i won't mention it then18:14
kanzurekatsmeow-afk: you're welcome to ask them to come in here18:14
kanzurei think collectively we could figure out wtf is wrong with his machine.18:15
katsmeow-afkok......... i suggested it, nothing is happening tho18:16
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Gevallen_Engelhello :)18:17
katsmeow-afkah18:17
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katsmeow-afkgive them the pics and explain here, Gevallen_Engel18:18
n_benthaOk so I like this quick-launch system for getting ppl to the moon.18:18
Replopn_bentha: people ?18:18
Gevallen_Engelhttp://imgur.com/a/EqVf9/all#018:18
Gevallen_Engelbasically all it does is ask me to reset, but the stepper controller just beeps and goes right back to "please reset"18:19
kanzureGevallen_Engel: did you write the firmware?18:19
n_benthaReplop: they get the fuel to get ppl to the moon.18:19
Replop^^18:19
n_benthaIt's a shame that the lunar soil doesn't have hydrogen :(18:20
kanzureGevallen_Engel: do you mean reset the software or reset the position?18:20
ReplopI presume he means "hit the reset button"18:20
Gevallen_EngelBy the manual it should reset the controller then return the head to home18:20
kanzurehave you tried manually returning the head to home18:20
Gevallen_Engeland yes, the reset button on the hood18:20
n_benthaAt least it has oxygen and silicon and titanium and iron and aluminium. good building materials imho18:21
Gevallen_Engelits hard to say where home is18:21
Gevallen_Engelweighs 201 pounds though lol18:21
Gevallen_Engeleverything else seems to be functioning fine, just in standby18:21
Gevallen_EngelI should also mention when it comes to these things Im a complete noob :P18:22
Gevallen_Engelwhich probably complicates everything18:22
katsmeow-afkand the cmos battery may be dead18:22
kanzureGevallen_Engel: can you describe the conditions you received this machine in?18:22
kanzurenew? used? working/non? has it ever worked18:22
Gevallen_EngelI paid 20$ for it on a really badly listed ebay auction, supposedly pulled from a working enviroment.18:23
kanzurealright18:23
Gevallen_EngelIts in perfect shape aside from the scuffs outside, just a really heavy paperweight though.18:24
n_benthau got pics?18:24
kanzureyeah, this sounds like a "manual reset to head" issue to me18:24
kanzurethe software also sounds a little suspicious18:24
Gevallen_Engelits old, hard as hell to find and expensive18:25
kanzure$20 is expensive?18:25
Gevallen_Engelthey quoted me 500$18:25
kanzurewho did18:25
Gevallen_Engelbeckman18:25
kanzureto buy a new one?18:25
Gevallen_Engelit fits on 3 floppy disks18:25
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Gevallen_Engelfor the software18:25
kanzureahahah18:25
kanzureno man why would you pay for that18:25
kanzureum.. hrm18:25
Gevallen_EngelI wouldnt, however, it doesnt seem to exsist anywhere else18:26
Gevallen_Engelstill wouldnt though XD18:26
kanzurewell as far as i can tell the software shouldn't be that hard to write- it's just a pipetting machine right?18:26
Gevallen_Engelyep18:26
kanzurehow are you debugging this?18:26
kanzurejust that small display?18:27
Gevallen_EngelI have a chip burner but Ive yet to actually use it, nor do I know if it'll program those types18:27
Gevallen_Engelyep18:27
Gevallen_Engelit doesnt throw error codes, which is annoying since that would tell me something18:27
kanzuredoes anything mechanically happen when you press "reset"18:28
Gevallen_Engelnope18:28
Gevallen_Engelthe controller just beeps and it goes back to asking to be reset18:29
* katsmeow-afk is reminded of some Tektronix and Dell equipment that will not do anything if the lil batteries are dead18:29
Gevallen_Engelgotta go downstairs and grab my multimeter out of the car18:29
Gevallen_Engelbrb18:29
katsmeow-afk"pulled from working environment 3 yrs ago and sat in a cold warehouse to kill the batteries"18:30
delinquentme_kanzure, open source projects >> gem build .gemspec >> sucessful18:33
delinquentme_how Do I then add some kind of print or log statements to let me get feedback as confirmation that I'm at the methods I think im at18:33
kanzuredelinquentme_: puts "da fuck?"18:33
delinquentme_doesnt work18:33
kanzureexplain18:34
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delinquentme_nm im not sure where im @18:35
Gevallen_EngelIts dead18:42
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Reploplooks like serious issues18:43
delinquentme_kanzure, ok so if i've got a 3rd party project, bundle it into a gem file .. and install that gemfile18:45
delinquentme_to get output from another project calling one of those methods in that OS project... all that OS project needs is a print statement18:46
kanzureGevallen_Engel: i think i knew a fellow once who claimed he was a human multimeter18:47
kanzureGevallen_Engel: but it might be impractical to get him on the scene18:47
kanzuredelinquentme_: most gems do not print things out because it's considered poor form :x18:47
Gevallen_Engelhttp://i.imgur.com/Hu8Mn.jpg18:47
kanzureyou should just raise errors or yield messages/events18:47
katsmeow-afkso replace it18:48
katsmeow-afkif it cannot power up it's memory, it wil never know it already asked you to hit reset, or what to do about it18:49
d3nd3english please18:49
Gevallen_EngelI'll have to pull it out of the machine :x lots of pictures to take first18:50
Gevallen_EngelI also wondered what that pin header is for on the left18:50
kanzurebased on the images i am inclined to believe there's a lot of unnecessary equipment going on, inside there18:51
Gevallen_Engelmostly stuff for the multipette head18:51
Gevallen_Engelis it not bulky enough for a mini mill? Or maybe a 3d printer? :P unno18:52
delinquentme_Gevallen_Engel, hacking cool stuff there :D18:55
Gevallen_Engelthanks, I hope it teaches me something in the process18:55
delinquentme_kanzure, any idea if the edits need to be commited w git to build correctly?18:57
kanzurewhen making a gem? not sure18:58
Gevallen_EngelCould I substitute the coincell with a aaa for now? >.>;18:58
Gevallen_Engelwell 218:59
Steel2how old is this thing Gevallen_Engel?19:06
Gevallen_Engel199819:06
Gevallen_Engelit has an rs232 port but without the software :\ no good I guess19:08
kanzureyou could replace the electronics with something you could program19:13
kanzurebut again.. i bet there's some simple mechanical adjustment that it is asking you to do here19:13
yashgarothI'm guessing it didn't come with the manual?19:14
Gevallen_Engelnope :<19:16
yashgarothyou uh...tried holding down the reset button?19:18
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Gevallen_Engelyeah, it beeps rather annoyingly loud19:24
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* katsmeow-afk approaches it with a hammer19:24
yashgarothindeed, next step is usually 'hit it'19:25
katsmeow-afki HATE beeping stuff, they never know what they are saying, and neither do i, and they won't stfu19:25
thylanehttp://www.googlelunarxprize.org/teams19:29
Replop201519:34
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kanzureaw he left23:17
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Mariusee you guys23:41
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kanzure"The total value of all the organs in a human body is worth $46 million dollars on the black market, as far as transplants go."23:59
kanzurereaallly23:59
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