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| audy | lichen what am I watching | 06:02 |
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| audy | heh from muslims to microchips | 06:03 |
| ThomasEgi | https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=nm0POwEtiqE mother of god... 32bit arm emulation on a 8bit avr, running linux. | 06:04 |
| ThomasEgi | and most scary thing of all. it ever works (ok 2 hours for booting up isnt exarctly fast but, still wow) | 06:05 |
| archels | ThomasEgi: Did you see Linus Torvalds' response to that? | 06:08 |
| ThomasEgi | no? | 06:11 |
| ThomasEgi | where's it? | 06:11 |
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| kanzure | http://dev.opencascade.org/index.php | 07:14 |
| kanzure | "availability of official OCCT Git repository. This opens the possibility for external contributors to directly participate in all steps of OCCT code development " | 07:14 |
| kanzure | http://dev.opencascade.org/index.php?q=node/57 | 07:14 |
| kanzure | http://dev.opencascade.org/sites/default/files/documents/OCCT_GitGuide_V2.pdf | 07:15 |
| kanzure | http://git.dev.opencascade.org/gitweb/?p=occt.git | 07:15 |
| kanzure | um.. it seems to only go back to 2012-03-05 | 07:16 |
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| kanzure | blerghidjada http://singularityhub.com/2012/03/27/singularity-university-to-incubate-synthetic-biology-startups-with-new-program/ | 08:17 |
| kanzure | http://consequenceofsound.net/2012/03/album-review-lower-dens-nootropics/ | 08:18 |
| kanzure | gah | 08:20 |
| kanzure | bad link. | 08:20 |
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| kanzure | "We found the brain is built from parallel and perpendicular fibers that | 08:28 |
| kanzure | cross each other in an orderly fashion. Finding this kind of simple | 08:28 |
| kanzure | organization in the forebrain of higher animals was completely unsuspected," | 08:28 |
| kanzure | In the current study, Wedeen and his colleagues used diffusion spectrum MR | 08:29 |
| kanzure | imaging coupled with mathematical analysis of all crossing or adjacent pathways in the brains of | 08:29 |
| kanzure | four species of non-human primates and in human volunteers. | 08:29 |
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| kanzure | "n 1942, a local boy found a bear cub near Hamadan, Iran. He sold it to the soldiers of the Polish Army stationed nearby for a couple of canned meat tins. As the bear was less than a year old, he initially had problems swallowing and was fed with condensed milk from an emptied vodka bottle." | 09:08 |
| kanzure | " The bear was fed with fruits, marmalade, honey and syrup, and was often rewarded with beer, which became his favorite drink. He also enjoyed smoking and eating cigarettes" | 09:08 |
| kanzure | "He enjoyed wrestling and was taught to salute when greeted." | 09:08 |
| kanzure | he is the most interesting bear in the world | 09:09 |
| cluckj | he doesn't always eat cigarettes, but when he does, he prefers menthols? | 09:22 |
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| chris_99 | where's that from kanzure | 09:41 |
| kanzure | wikipedia. | 09:42 |
| kanzure | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wojtek_(soldier_bear) | 09:42 |
| chris_99 | cheers | 09:43 |
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| kanzure | hi archels | 09:48 |
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| kanzure | hi nmz787 | 09:56 |
| kanzure | what is nathan-think o.o | 09:57 |
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| nmz787 | yo | 09:57 |
| nmz787 | that's my laptop hostname | 09:57 |
| kanzure | delinquentme: sup | 09:58 |
| delinquentme | shitty generator HTML | 09:59 |
| kanzure | nmz787: did you see this the other day? http://singularityhub.com/2012/03/27/singularity-university-to-incubate-synthetic-biology-startups-with-new-program/ | 10:01 |
| nmz787 | no | 10:03 |
| nmz787 | its alright | 10:03 |
| kanzure | a little weird that they are comparing themselves to ycombinator so soon.. | 10:03 |
| nmz787 | the whole SU crowd still seems like its geared towards upper middle class and lower high class folks | 10:03 |
| nmz787 | at least with ycombinator its all software | 10:04 |
| nmz787 | which doesnt req any $ | 10:04 |
| nmz787 | and they don't have crazy "grad" programs | 10:04 |
| delinquentme | so yeah kanz we need a smarter way to do this | 10:06 |
| kanzure | what's the problem? | 10:06 |
| delinquentme | so publishers will use whatever HTML hacks they can to get presentations to look good | 10:07 |
| kanzure | yep.. and often it is bad html | 10:07 |
| delinquentme | acceptable , whatever | 10:07 |
| delinquentme | yeah exactly | 10:07 |
| kanzure | pretty terrible isn't it? | 10:07 |
| delinquentme | and coming up with extensible ways to make sense of that | 10:07 |
| delinquentme | yeah its not quite code | 10:07 |
| delinquentme | the big indexing companies probably have a decent system | 10:09 |
| kanzure | .. that you will never, ever see. | 10:09 |
| nmz787 | i hate lab reports | 10:11 |
| nmz787 | i was thinking last night, i might not be much of a 'scientist' | 10:11 |
| nmz787 | well i guess i follow the scientific method | 10:11 |
| kanzure | lab reports => take some pictures, paste some graphs together, throw it into the same folder? | 10:12 |
| nmz787 | unfortunately, no... typed up shit with loads of calculations for boring experiments | 10:12 |
| kanzure | i think most people just have their undergrads do the boring experiments | 10:12 |
| nmz787 | i just wish training wasn't so damn boring | 10:12 |
| delinquentme | kanzure, its represented right there on their website | 10:13 |
| nmz787 | if i was doing DNA synthesis calculations, itd probably be pretty cool | 10:13 |
| kanzure | what was this report for/about/what? | 10:13 |
| nmz787 | extracting mandelic acid from water using octanol | 10:13 |
| nmz787 | and reporting the distribution coefficient | 10:14 |
| nmz787 | which is how efficient the solvent is at pulling the solute out of the other solvent | 10:14 |
| nmz787 | and showing that le chateliers principle holds true | 10:15 |
| nmz787 | i.e. multiple small extractions are better than one big extraction | 10:15 |
| nmz787 | and then i'm in some 1st year chem class | 10:15 |
| nmz787 | last week we used pH indicators in a bunch of solutions, and eyed the color | 10:16 |
| kanzure | i'm pretty sure i did that in high school o_o | 10:16 |
| nmz787 | then tried placing an unknown in correct order between pH standards | 10:16 |
| nmz787 | earlier we calibrated a pH meter | 10:16 |
| nmz787 | then tested an unknown with it | 10:16 |
| nmz787 | then made up a buffer solution of a specific target pH | 10:17 |
| nmz787 | whats worse is coming in the next few weeks | 10:17 |
| nmz787 | ... | 10:17 |
| nmz787 | using 20 year old (at least) spectrometers | 10:17 |
| kanzure | did you ask if you could use your own spectrometer | 10:17 |
| nmz787 | where you have to change the wavelength and re-blank each time | 10:17 |
| nmz787 | my spectrometer is still in pieces | 10:17 |
| nmz787 | :/ | 10:17 |
| n_bentha | didn't someone make a spectrometer mod for an iphone? | 10:18 |
| nmz787 | :/ | 10:18 |
| nmz787 | prob in university | 10:18 |
| nmz787 | but yeah if i recall it was low res, and didnt do UV | 10:18 |
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| nmz787 | hah | 10:23 |
| nmz787 | pretty sure i got this book a few months back at goodwill for like $4 | 10:23 |
| nmz787 | http://www.ebay.com/itm/Fourier-Transform-Infrared-Spectrometry-Chemical-Analysis-A-Series-of-Monogra-/370591067191?pt=Non_Fiction&hash=item5648f2ec37#ht_1827wt_1270 | 10:23 |
| nmz787 | $157 on ebay | 10:23 |
| chris_99 | yeah they did n_bentha | 10:30 |
| chris_99 | using a diffraction grating in front of the camera | 10:30 |
| nmz787 | this is what i'm expected to use the next few weeks | 10:31 |
| nmz787 | http://www.ebay.com/itm/Spectronic-Instruments-Spectronic-20-Model-333182-Spectrophotometer-/251029092883?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a727ffa13#ht_500wt_1287 | 10:31 |
| chris_99 | i need to make/find one that will do IR | 10:31 |
| delinquentme | lulzzz | 10:34 |
| delinquentme | fuck this. | 10:34 |
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| nmz787 | i love the internet | 10:45 |
| ThomasEgi | in soviet russia.. internet loves you | 10:48 |
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| sylph_mako | I always listen to Davis's rendition of 'Round Midnight on repeat when I'm feeling noir. | 11:05 |
| kanzure | jebba: yo :) | 11:40 |
| kanzure | nmz787: what about the tape/casting method shown here? http://hackteria.org/wiki/index.php/DIY_Microfluidics | 11:41 |
| kanzure | oh they have a mini laser cutter setup. hrm. http://www.youtube.com/embed/QOEMFQPaNEY | 11:42 |
| kanzure | http://hackteria.org/wiki/index.php/DIY_Micro_Laser_Cutter | 11:43 |
| kanzure | "tep by step instructionon how to build a small DIY laser cutter from two CD or DVD drives and a laser diode extracted from a blue-ray player or as in this case a 445nm diode form a DLP projector. Such a laser can be found on ebay (1.5-2W 445nm Blue Diode in Module W/Leads & Aixiz Glass) for about 50$ including appropriate housing (Aixiz) and lens " | 11:43 |
| kanzure | "The cutting area is about 45 mm x 45 mm." | 11:43 |
| kanzure | not sure what the beam size is | 11:44 |
| jebba | we're going to use openmanufacturing.com, almost certainly, as a website to sell MiniMaxes to businesses | 11:46 |
| jebba | minimax is http://www.alephobjects.com/photos/printers/minimax/2012Q1/1.0/ Bill of Materials: http://www.alephobjects.com/hardware/bom/2012Q1/MiniMax_BOM_PL.ods Prototype: http://www.alephobjects.com/photos/printers/minimax/2012Q1/prototype-2/ | 11:46 |
| jebba | kanzure: can you read that ok? | 11:46 |
| kanzure | jebba: yes. | 11:47 |
| kanzure | here's a video of their operational chip | 11:50 |
| kanzure | http://www.youtube.com/embed/0T-h4dtcCDI | 11:50 |
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| kanzure | there's a swiss mechatronic art society? http://www.sgmk-ssam.ch/ | 12:00 |
| kanzure | how are they handling all the fumes from that cutter? | 12:06 |
| delinquentme | its switzerland | 12:12 |
| delinquentme | thats what they breathe | 12:12 |
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| nmz787 | that laser cutter did a pretty rough job | 12:23 |
| nmz787 | works for sure tho | 12:23 |
| nmz787 | my opinion is that it needs a good amount of refining to become useful for microfluidics | 12:24 |
| kanzure | i don't know what magnification the video is at | 12:24 |
| kanzure | is that even micro? | 12:24 |
| kanzure | looks like no- it's probably just some webcam pointed at it | 12:24 |
| nmz787 | from the looks of the cutouts, they aren't using good motor control | 12:24 |
| nmz787 | the edge is pretty jagged | 12:24 |
| kanzure | gah where did this come from | 12:26 |
| kanzure | http://www.linkedin.com/groups/Using-laser-micromachining-Microfluidics-713657.S.88406731 | 12:26 |
| nmz787 | interesting | 12:31 |
| nmz787 | Bubble trapping is usually a result of filling too fast, and can be minimized by filling the dry channel with CO2 gas, which will dissolve in water after the channel is full..... | 12:31 |
| nmz787 | i like that trick | 12:31 |
| nmz787 | most of the complaints are solvable with a custom cutter | 12:32 |
| nmz787 | which doesn't yet exist for a microfluidics market | 12:32 |
| nmz787 | that's actually an idea I've had for a whil | 12:32 |
| kanzure | pretty weird. i don't understand why they don't build one in-house? | 12:32 |
| nmz787 | ppl are not good are interdisciplinary stuff | 12:32 |
| nmz787 | as far as i can tell | 12:32 |
| kanzure | i mean, if the laser cutter they currently has, physically *does not work* then shouldn't they be motivated to uh fix it | 12:33 |
| kanzure | ok a reasonable explanation | 12:33 |
| kanzure | *have | 12:33 |
| nmz787 | biologist "hey i want to do X", engineer "we can use microfluidics", laser tech "our shit doesn't do what you want", biologist "well we better get a million from NIH to do it all with lithography, cause that's whats advertised" | 12:33 |
| nmz787 | instead of paying me $10k to develop something that's right for the situation | 12:34 |
| nmz787 | which would not only work for their purposes, but could also be a business spin-off | 12:34 |
| kanzure | where do these rough edges come from? | 12:35 |
| nmz787 | if the laser is pulsed... could be the duty cycle of that | 12:35 |
| kanzure | beam staying too long in one place, heating the edge of the cut? | 12:35 |
| kanzure | hm. | 12:35 |
| nmz787 | there is some of that too | 12:35 |
| nmz787 | but also bad motor control | 12:35 |
| kanzure | right | 12:35 |
| nmz787 | people using stepper motors without microstepping the hell out of it | 12:35 |
| nmz787 | (i've seen 256 microstepping controllers, but not more) | 12:36 |
| nmz787 | i guess ideally you'd want analog control/motors | 12:36 |
| kanzure | how would multiple layers work with lasered pdms? | 12:37 |
| nmz787 | but then another problem is these laser cutters are meant for hobbyists and macro-professionals | 12:37 |
| nmz787 | so they are belt driven | 12:37 |
| nmz787 | so speed/resolution is based on the gear ratios | 12:37 |
| nmz787 | i would use a 1/4 40 screw | 12:37 |
| kanzure | oh for layers i guess you just bond multiple chips together | 12:38 |
| nmz787 | with that per turn you get 15 microns per travel | 12:38 |
| nmz787 | common steppers are something like 180 steps per turn | 12:38 |
| nmz787 | so add microstepping for smaller features/smoothing | 12:38 |
| nmz787 | and its a system thats tuned for micro work | 12:38 |
| nmz787 | also excimer lasers are probably the best to use, but also most expensive | 12:39 |
| nmz787 | they're UV so they really pack a punch and vaporize/combust/plasmasize the substrate | 12:39 |
| nmz787 | hopefully so much that its all gas, so no redeposition | 12:40 |
| nmz787 | alternatively I've thought of running the whole rig under a vacuum | 12:40 |
| nmz787 | vs most people apply compressed air/argon/nitrogen at the cutting area | 12:40 |
| kanzure | i forget, did you hate screw valves? | 12:40 |
| nmz787 | to hope to blow particles away | 12:40 |
| nmz787 | umm | 12:40 |
| nmz787 | depends on what they're for | 12:41 |
| nmz787 | they work good for the water faucet | 12:41 |
| AdrianG | what are good activating pharmaceuticals | 12:41 |
| AdrianG | besides stimulants, wellbutrin, and modafinil | 12:41 |
| kanzure | *racetams? | 12:41 |
| nmz787 | i dont think wellbutrin is activating | 12:42 |
| nmz787 | more of a downer/stabilizer IMO | 12:42 |
| nmz787 | makes you "butt" "well" | 12:42 |
| nmz787 | caffeine, theobromine, cocaine, amphetamines, ephedra | 12:43 |
| nmz787 | i guess those are all stimulants | 12:43 |
| nmz787 | :P | 12:43 |
| kanzure | nmz787: pdms pressure valves on a second chip that we bond to the first, don't seem like they would line up precisely | 12:44 |
| kanzure | maybe we could do some measuring magic where we do some markings and if they optically align in some magic way we're sure we have precise alignment of 2 chips | 12:44 |
| nmz787 | yeah we'd have to develop a process to register things well | 12:45 |
| nmz787 | but its not impossible | 12:45 |
| nmz787 | actually i g2g | 12:46 |
| kanzure | seeya | 12:46 |
| nmz787 | have some stuff i need to rasterize and try cutting with the laser cutter | 12:46 |
| nmz787 | also gonna try a simple registration idea i had | 12:46 |
| nmz787 | so I can rasterize the front and back of the cut item | 12:47 |
| nmz787 | (earlier i meant i had to vectorize stuff) | 12:47 |
| nmz787 | lata | 12:47 |
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| thylane | http://www.wired.com/underwire/2012/03/vernor-vinge-geeks-guide-galaxy/all/1 | 13:20 |
| thylane | oh shi-- | 13:23 |
| thylane | watch this, hplus | 13:23 |
| thylane | [16:20] <parso> I'm very surprised that the Technological Singularity never gets any lip service in this channel | 13:23 |
| thylane | [16:21] <Nietzsche__-> what do you mean by 'Technological Singularity' | 13:23 |
| thylane | *facepalm* | 13:23 |
| kanzure | what channel? | 13:24 |
| thylane | it's on a different network entirely | 13:26 |
| kanzure | supplemental material for that 'grid' article about human brain organization: | 13:29 |
| kanzure | http://www.sciencemag.org/content/suppl/2012/03/28/335.6076.1628.DC1/Wedeen-SOM.pdf | 13:29 |
| AdrianG | thx | 13:29 |
| AdrianG | so our brainz r gridz. | 13:29 |
| AdrianG | racetams arent very activating tbh | 13:30 |
| AdrianG | in my experience | 13:30 |
| * _0bitcount is reading "Abundance" by Peter Diamandis and enjoying it. Anyone here read it? | 13:37 | |
| kanzure | not yet, but i assume it's a rehash of paul's content: http://pdfernhout.net/ | 13:38 |
| _0bitcount | So there are more people seeing these technological trends? cool! | 13:39 |
| kanzure | peter is definitely not the originator of such ideas :p | 13:40 |
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| Steel2 | 0bit: I did some consulting work on it | 13:42 |
| _0bitcount | kanzure, OK. Anyway his Singularity University looks like is going to do a lot of good. | 13:42 |
| Steel2 | people here have Feelings on singu :P | 13:43 |
| Steel2 | kanz, did you ever get access to the lab there like you wanted? | 13:43 |
| kanzure | _0bitcount: SU charges $25,000 for a 6 week class where my friends stand up and lecture on vague terms about things | 13:43 |
| kanzure | Steel2: no | 13:43 |
| kanzure | Steel2: SU doesn't have a lab anyway | 13:43 |
| Steel2 | ah, I thought you were trying to do something like that... | 13:44 |
| kanzure | yes, well, lots of people do false advertising | 13:44 |
| Steel2 | one of the san fran facilities you were trying to get access to their lab space and considering moving there | 13:44 |
| kanzure | SU is no different | 13:44 |
| Steel2 | you read the SENS annual report? | 13:44 |
| kanzure | partially | 13:44 |
| _0bitcount | Steel2, kanzure, sorry to hear that. I suppose that different approaches are possible, similar to the different views inside the Free Software/Open Source communities. | 13:45 |
| kanzure | not sure what they are blowing $1500000/year on | 13:45 |
| kanzure | _0bitcount: SU hasn't really supported open/free software much | 13:45 |
| kanzure | or open/free hardware | 13:45 |
| Steel2 | hah, even in this room there are a lot of disagreements between methods | 13:45 |
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| kanzure | they were also very disinterested in a recent open hardware project pitch i gave them (very angry that i wasn't talking about IP or patenting things, etc.) | 13:45 |
| kanzure | _0bitcount: i take it you'r not an actual open source programmer..? | 13:46 |
| _0bitcount | Steel2, competition is supposed to be a good thing. Isn't it? ;-) | 13:46 |
| Steel2 | you need to be achieving things for competition to be worthwhile :P | 13:47 |
| _0bitcount | kanzure, I am definitely towards Free Software views about technology. | 13:48 |
| Steel2 | _0bitcount, what do you do occupationally/skill wise? | 13:48 |
| _0bitcount | Steel2, electronic technician, electrician, Free Software advocate and advance user, tinkerer :-) | 13:49 |
| kanzure | analog? | 13:49 |
| Steel2 | awesome | 13:49 |
| _0bitcount | kanzure, used to be. Now shifting to digital and software. | 13:50 |
| _0bitcount | I am sorry if my mention of SU annoys somebody here. They were my first contact with all these Singularity, exponential tech. Anyway, some of their videos are inspiring for a newbie like me. | 13:51 |
| kanzure | nobody said it was annoying | 13:52 |
| kanzure | it's inspiring, but it probably doesn't teach you much | 13:52 |
| kanzure | here are some other videos: | 13:52 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us:9001/ | 13:52 |
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| _0bitcount | kanzure, cool. Thank you. | 13:55 |
| _0bitcount | I hope they all run under gnash. | 13:56 |
| kanzure | probably not | 13:59 |
| kanzure | asshats keep uploading videos to youtube and other services | 13:59 |
| kanzure | instead of uploading the original files | 13:59 |
| Steel2 | if only they'd do both | 14:00 |
| _0bitcount | Then I'll use Flash. Not that I like it, but if the video has some teaching possibilities... | 14:00 |
| archels | kanzure: I just read the brain connectivity article, it seems pretty solid | 14:05 |
| Steel2 | the grid one? | 14:05 |
| kanzure | archels: i've only looked at the supplementary material, haven't looked at the paper yet >_< | 14:05 |
| archels | yes | 14:05 |
| archels | lots of pretty pictures in either :D | 14:06 |
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| Mokbortolan_ | http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/wiredscience/2012/03/rainbow-brain-map-science-aaas.jpg | 15:14 |
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| AdrianG | lew; | 15:26 |
| AdrianG | kewl | 15:26 |
| thylane | http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/wiredscience/2012/03/rainbow-brain-map-science-aaas.jpg | 15:31 |
| thylane | the blue and purple-white connections are pretty obvious | 15:31 |
| thylane | that's how the forebrain (prefrontal cortex) sends command signals to the corpus collosum | 15:32 |
| kanzure | "command signals"? | 15:32 |
| thylane | the PFC is the executive center of the brain | 15:35 |
| kanzure | "executive"? | 15:36 |
| thylane | that is the part that tells you how to do things. Walk. Use a fork. Ride a bike. Type on IRC | 15:36 |
| kanzure | i think you are making shit up | 15:36 |
| kanzure | what is a "command signal"? is it a sparse signal? | 15:36 |
| thylane | the command signal means something relating to doing an action with the body | 15:36 |
| kanzure | ok.. so that could be any sort of action potential | 15:36 |
| kanzure | why not just say action potential :( | 15:36 |
| Steel2 | @Kanzure: He's not making shit up, he's just using psych terms instead of neuroscience terms | 15:37 |
| kanzure | Steel2: that's like mixing mythologies heh | 15:37 |
| thylane | because many signals in the brain are not related to performing bodily action | 15:37 |
| kanzure | ok, so the signal between neurohormone glands in the brain isn't a command? | 15:37 |
| kanzure | bleh | 15:37 |
| thylane | I'm making a pretty clear statement here. | 15:38 |
| thylane | http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/wiredscience/2012/03/rainbow-brain-map-science-aaas.jpg | 15:38 |
| kanzure | pathways? | 15:38 |
| kanzure | i was only pointing out that your choice of words was insufficiently descriptive, that's all. | 15:38 |
| thylane | the blue and purple-white "highway" of connections from the PFC to the Corpus collosum are specifically there for complex bodily movement. | 15:38 |
| kanzure | don't take it personally. | 15:38 |
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| thylane | I know enough neuroscience to draw arrows on that diagram showing how the signals are flowing | 15:43 |
| kanzure | ah. have you considered learning more? | 15:46 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/neuro/ is a good start | 15:46 |
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| kanzure | hi deep-fried-art | 15:59 |
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| ThomasEgi | ... i totaly miss-read that name by skipping most of the middle part.. | 16:06 |
| nmz787 | deep-fart? | 16:07 |
| jrayhawk | haha | 16:08 |
| kanzure | nmz787: let's put together the specs for the laser | 16:09 |
| kanzure | or write down, in some document, the optics i'd be ordering for a refurbished laser cutter | 16:09 |
| kanzure | a custom system is sounding like the better option | 16:09 |
| deep-fried-art | hey kanzure | 16:13 |
| nmz787 | kanzure: wait, so add optics to existing, or DIY all the way? | 16:15 |
| nmz787 | kanzure: I think there are enough gantry plans out there that the all-ours method is the right way | 16:15 |
| nmz787 | the optics should be quite similar in either case | 16:16 |
| kanzure | ok. that sounds fine to me. | 16:16 |
| kanzure | i hate most software for commercial laser cutters anyway | 16:16 |
| nmz787 | so for the additional effort we know we'll get hella good physical resolution | 16:16 |
| nmz787 | do you know g-code? | 16:16 |
| nmz787 | i dont | 16:16 |
| kanzure | sorta | 16:16 |
| kanzure | fenn does. i can force him to write some. | 16:16 |
| kanzure | or we can use gcode generators | 16:16 |
| nmz787 | well | 16:17 |
| kanzure | replicatorg? there's probably something better | 16:17 |
| nmz787 | ok | 16:17 |
| kanzure | pycam | 16:17 |
| nmz787 | stock gen maybe OK, but we may want things to route in a certain way | 16:17 |
| kanzure | my microfluidics library should do svg and gcode output anyway.. otherwise it's useless | 16:18 |
| kanzure | ah i see | 16:18 |
| nmz787 | :P | 16:18 |
| nmz787 | the full spectrum laser software has a really weird routing generator | 16:18 |
| nmz787 | it jumps all around and doesn't make sense to me | 16:18 |
| nmz787 | so whatever they're doing, its wrong! | 16:19 |
| nmz787 | lol | 16:19 |
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| kanzure | "I once built a megawatt UV laser with an output beam diameter of about an inch. | 16:20 |
| kanzure | We used a 12 inch astronomical telescope as a beam expander to limit the divergence, so we | 16:20 |
| kanzure | could try to hit the laser reflector that Apollo 11 left on the moon. Counting the photons we | 16:20 |
| kanzure | received about 3 seconds later, we got better than 80% confidence that they were our | 16:20 |
| kanzure | reflected photons." | 16:20 |
| kanzure | simon is now a bad ass | 16:20 |
| nmz787 | whaa | 16:20 |
| nmz787 | ? | 16:20 |
| nmz787 | i didnt see that | 16:20 |
| nmz787 | nice | 16:20 |
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| kanzure | hi wudles. | 16:29 |
| kanzure | nmz787: but still. we should draw up specs. i would like it to run linux. | 16:29 |
| kanzure | or possibly emc | 16:29 |
| wudles | hi there kanzure. | 16:29 |
| Urchin | hi | 16:30 |
| Urchin | what's supposed to run linux? | 16:30 |
| nmz787 | all sorts of programs are supposed to run linux | 16:30 |
| nmz787 | on linux* | 16:30 |
| Urchin | I mean, in this context | 16:31 |
| kanzure | laser cutter. | 16:31 |
| Urchin | never dealt with them | 16:31 |
| kanzure | you sir are missing out on life | 16:31 |
| kanzure | you have not experienced true joyful science without laser blasting the shit out of something | 16:31 |
| nmz787 | i'm gonna cut some monkeys later with a laser cutter | 16:31 |
| nmz787 | SVG monkeys | 16:32 |
| kanzure | nmz787: have you used emc ever? | 16:32 |
| nmz787 | nah | 16:32 |
| kanzure | http://www.linuxcnc.org/index.php/about | 16:32 |
| nmz787 | see it | 16:32 |
| nmz787 | heard of it | 16:32 |
| nmz787 | looked at the site b4 | 16:32 |
| kanzure | "It can simultaneously move up to 9 axes and supports a variety of interfaces" hahah | 16:33 |
| kanzure | 9 axes. | 16:33 |
| kanzure | screw all this propeller crap :P | 16:34 |
| kanzure | kidding. microcontrollers have a time and a place. | 16:34 |
| nmz787 | geez | 16:35 |
| nmz787 | where u seeing propeller stuff? | 16:36 |
| kanzure | i was joking, but that diy laser cutter from hackteria was using, uh, arduino or something | 16:36 |
| nmz787 | yyyyeeeeaaaahhhhh | 16:37 |
| nmz787 | .... surrreeeee | 16:37 |
| nmz787 | arduino has its place | 16:37 |
| kanzure | wasn't it? | 16:37 |
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| kanzure | i'm sure arduino can work ok in that scenario | 16:38 |
| nmz787 | but for scientific equipment, you gotta get into some real C or asm | 16:38 |
| kanzure | but i don't know why everyone is opposed to just having linux plugged into your steppers | 16:38 |
| nmz787 | well its bigger | 16:38 |
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| nmz787 | its not realtime | 16:38 |
| kanzure | it is realtime | 16:38 |
| nmz787 | rt linux is | 16:38 |
| nmz787 | but thats not debian | 16:39 |
| kanzure | jrayhawk: ping? | 16:39 |
| nmz787 | debian isn't realtime, you can't make determinative hardware operations with debian, etc | 16:39 |
| nmz787 | i.e pulse pin 0 on parallel port every microsecond, on the microsecond... with only thermal effects causing variation | 16:39 |
| kanzure | well. submicrosecond management sounds a little exotic for linux. | 16:41 |
| jrayhawk | Linux has had hard realtime for years. | 16:42 |
| nmz787 | but its a diff kernel, right? | 16:42 |
| nmz787 | i.e. not torvalds | 16:42 |
| nmz787 | ? | 16:42 |
| jrayhawk | Only if you want exotic realtime. | 16:42 |
| kanzure | http://pengutronix.de/software/linux-rt/debian_en.html | 16:42 |
| kanzure | what counts as exotic | 16:42 |
| nmz787 | yeah whats the diff? | 16:43 |
| jrayhawk | There are various tradeoffs between efficient scheduling an realtime behavior; this is outside of my wheelhouse but let me see if I can dig up some docs... | 16:43 |
| nmz787 | hmm | 16:43 |
| kanzure | "The worst case time between the moment a hardware interrupt is detected by the processor and the moment an interrupt handler starts to execute is under 15 microseconds on RTLinux running on a generic x86." | 16:43 |
| nmz787 | basically the way i see it is, in a lot of cases you don't need a scheduler | 16:44 |
| kanzure | "A RTLinux periodic task runs within 25 microseconds of its scheduled time on the same hardware." | 16:44 |
| nmz787 | or if you did, sometimes you can break that functionality into a few pieces of simpler hardware | 16:44 |
| kanzure | .. within 25 microseconds? | 16:44 |
| kanzure | that's 25x worse than your requirement. | 16:44 |
| nmz787 | yeah | 16:44 |
| kanzure | oh, microsecond or millisecond? | 16:44 |
| nmz787 | this CCD i'm using has a 4mhz clock | 16:45 |
| nmz787 | thats a IO switching every 1/8 microsecond | 16:45 |
| jrayhawk | 4 millihertz? | 16:45 |
| nmz787 | and thats only one of 2 or 3 lines | 16:45 |
| nmz787 | no | 16:45 |
| jrayhawk | errr shit | 16:45 |
| jrayhawk | durr | 16:45 |
| nmz787 | mega | 16:45 |
| nmz787 | lol | 16:45 |
| kanzure | Mhz | 16:46 |
| nmz787 | sry | 16:46 |
| kanzure | IN THIS CHANNEL WE USE PROPER NOTATION FOR OUR DIMENSIONS | 16:46 |
| kanzure | haha | 16:46 |
| nmz787 | prostrates in tears | 16:46 |
| nmz787 | * | 16:46 |
| kanzure | hrmm | 16:47 |
| nmz787 | but the nice thing about simpler hardware is, yeah, its simpler | 16:47 |
| kanzure | well, i haven't specifically seen submicrosecond linux | 16:47 |
| jrayhawk | But yeah, even on really nice hardware, Linux can only context switch 100k-1m times per second | 16:47 |
| nmz787 | i really like the propeller... fast, 8 cores, as easy to get into as arduino | 16:47 |
| kanzure | actually when i was going to use a stepper with linux i had an fpga pci card | 16:48 |
| kanzure | fpgas can definitely do submicrosecond switching | 16:48 |
| nmz787 | really only downside i see, for most microcontrollable apps, is that it doesn't do floating point math or hardware multp/div | 16:48 |
| nmz787 | oh god yes | 16:48 |
| kanzure | but fpgas have their own set of problems (proprietary design software..) | 16:48 |
| nmz787 | oh i mean God | 16:48 |
| nmz787 | sry again | 16:48 |
| jrayhawk | haha | 16:48 |
| nmz787 | God is a dimension, right? | 16:48 |
| kanzure | maybe? | 16:48 |
| jrayhawk | Truth and/or love have dimensionality, so we can theoretically construct a proof | 16:49 |
| nmz787 | fpgas are alluring to me, but they're so complex to get up and running... it'd be like a year of hardcore studying and at least a few hundred $ in dev kits or something... finding the right proprietary software thats easy to help you get started | 16:50 |
| nmz787 | (for me) | 16:50 |
| kanzure | specifically i think there's no open source fpga programming tools? | 16:50 |
| kanzure | someone in here was complaining about this | 16:50 |
| kanzure | i don't remember the details. | 16:50 |
| jrayhawk | jblake cares deeply about that, you can bug him about the current situation | 16:51 |
| kanzure | anyway! yes i am willing to admit microcontrollers are fine for submicrosecond work | 16:51 |
| nmz787 | 10 years i bet we can use neural cells on an electrode array for stuff fpgas are doing today | 16:51 |
| nmz787 | maybe | 16:51 |
| jrayhawk | 10 years i bet we can just order custom ASICs | 16:51 |
| kanzure | i think we can already do that just not cheaply? | 16:51 |
| kanzure | ASIC failwhale.jpg generator | 16:52 |
| jrayhawk | Yeah. | 16:52 |
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| nmz787 | john griessen responds to me really strange sometimes | 16:58 |
| jrayhawk | linux-rt has RMA and EDF implemented, at least... | 16:58 |
| kanzure | i've met john btw. he lives nearby. | 16:58 |
| kanzure | he makes really great crawfish | 16:58 |
| nmz787 | nice | 16:59 |
| nmz787 | he jsut replied to me offlist though | 16:59 |
| nmz787 | with really weird responses | 17:00 |
| nmz787 | almost belittling me | 17:00 |
| nmz787 | saying i twisted/ignored most of what he said | 17:00 |
| nmz787 | "Off to other things. lost cause." | 17:00 |
| jrayhawk | some days i am bad at managing my neurochemistry and become very uncharitable | 17:02 |
| jrayhawk | you might want to wait at least a day before responding | 17:03 |
| uniqanomaly_ | some billionaire should create 100s of hacker spaces around the world :< | 17:03 |
| uniqanomaly_ | he would be arts patron for science :D | 17:04 |
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| jrayhawk | http://www.cs.ru.nl/lab/rtai/experiments/11.EDF&RMA/Experiment-11_oldversion.html has a short description of some of fancier schedulers in RTAI | 17:13 |
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| jrayhawk | oh you're back http://www.cs.ru.nl/lab/rtai/experiments/11.EDF&RMA/Experiment-11_oldversion.html has a short description of some of fancier schedulers in RTAI | 17:13 |
| nmz787 | yeah i wasnt plugged in, laptop got tired, er went to slee[p | 17:14 |
| Steel2 | uniqanomaly_: someone should put together a modular shopping list for starting hackerspaces | 17:14 |
| ParahSailin | id like to get into fpgas too | 17:15 |
| nmz787 | that de0 nano seems like a nice feature set for the price | 17:15 |
| nmz787 | http://www.terasic.com.tw/cgi-bin/page/archive.pl?No=593 | 17:16 |
| ParahSailin | wow that is pretty inexpensive | 17:17 |
| nmz787 | i guess they have some example code too, not sure how easy it is to get into and understand tho | 17:18 |
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| thesnark | kanzure ping | 17:24 |
| ParahSailin | id like to understand software radio for darknet stuff | 17:25 |
| thesnark | ParahSailin what kind of darknet stuff do you have in mind? | 17:26 |
| ParahSailin | i saw a thing for a 24 ghz backhaul system | 17:26 |
| ParahSailin | i wanna know how to rip off the design and go pirate with that | 17:27 |
| nmz787 | darknet? | 17:28 |
| kanzure | thesnark: pong | 17:35 |
| thesnark | kanzure check privmsg | 17:36 |
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| kanzure | whaa private messages! gah | 17:36 |
| * kanzure checks | 17:36 | |
| kanzure | ok i'd rather answer that over skype | 17:37 |
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| kanzure | ParahSailin: request approved! | 17:41 |
| kanzure | nmz787: john is really friendly and i don't understand why he would send that :( | 17:41 |
| nmz787 | kanzure: he's sent me a few emails like this in the past | 17:42 |
| kanzure | weird | 17:42 |
| nmz787 | yes | 17:42 |
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| Vicarious | hi | 18:10 |
| kanzure | hello. | 18:10 |
| kanzure | jrayhawk: why don't i have sudo on fairlystable :( | 18:19 |
| kanzure | oh nevermind | 18:20 |
| jrayhawk | i am sure whatever i set your password to demonstrated consummate professionalism | 18:21 |
| kanzure | no i just apparently suck at typing long passwords | 18:23 |
| katsmeow-afk | "professionaly speaking, you suck. That's your password." | 18:23 |
| jrayhawk | "butts" and "poop" are more typical | 18:24 |
| yashgaroth | wtf how do you know my password | 18:25 |
| yashgaroth | butts1 it is then | 18:26 |
| jrayhawk | haha | 18:26 |
| kanzure | mad hackers in here | 18:26 |
| Steel2 | welp, spending all business hours on campus from now on or I get in trouble | 18:30 |
| kanzure | jrayhawk: what should i distupgrade that vserver to | 18:33 |
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| kanzure | nmz787: speeeeeccscsss are needed for the laz0r | 18:46 |
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| kanzure | hi eudoxia | 18:46 |
| eudoxia | yo | 18:46 |
| kanzure | how goes it? | 18:47 |
| eudoxia | pretty good | 18:47 |
| nmz787 | specs? | 18:47 |
| nmz787 | hmm | 18:47 |
| eudoxia | so what's been going on here lately? | 18:47 |
| kanzure | nmz787: for the diy laser cutter | 18:48 |
| nmz787 | kanzure: umm | 18:48 |
| nmz787 | kanzure: will take me a few days | 18:48 |
| kanzure | eudoxia: how many days have you been gone? let me think. | 18:48 |
| Steel2 | got some new peeps around | 18:50 |
| kanzure | nmz787: okay. but we definitely agree on 1-5 micron target beam size? | 18:50 |
| nmz787 | :D | 18:50 |
| nmz787 | sure | 18:51 |
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| kanzure | hi delinquentme | 18:52 |
| kanzure | delinquentme: i'll have some code to show you tomorrow | 18:52 |
| kanzure | in about 24 hours. | 18:52 |
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| kanzure | can you prepare me a gpg public key so i can add you to a server? | 18:53 |
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| delinquentme | why gpg and not just regular public keys? | 18:58 |
| kanzure | er, yes, just regular public key | 18:58 |
| delinquentme | what are you setting up? | 19:01 |
| kanzure | scraper task queue, adapter models, orchestration | 19:01 |
| nmz787 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geIsWq5xOSE | 19:02 |
| nmz787 | sry, i had to | 19:02 |
| kanzure | legit | 19:03 |
| kanzure | nmz787: you are now assistant professor of keeping it real in ##hplusroadmap | 19:03 |
| nmz787 | nice | 19:03 |
| delinquentme | {"Psychology of Religion and Spirituality"=>[{"url"=>"http://www.apa.org/pubs/journals/rel/index.aspx", "rss"=>"http://content.apa.org/journals/rel.rss", "index"=>"http://content.apa.org/journals/rel"}]} | 19:20 |
| delinquentme | how does that get accessed? | 19:20 |
| kanzure | some universities have a subscription to APA | 19:20 |
| kanzure | http://www.apa.org/pubs/databases/psycarticles/index.aspx | 19:21 |
| delinquentme | i mean w that data format | 19:21 |
| kanzure | "PsycARTICLES® is a robust database offering complete access to the full text of nearly 80 landmark journals in behavioral science and related fields ranging from education, to nursing, to business, to neuroscience." | 19:21 |
| kanzure | haha "robust" | 19:21 |
| kanzure | i don't see why you are using a list? | 19:21 |
| delinquentme | like how do I get the url for that element | 19:21 |
| kanzure | it should be: {"Psychology of..." => {"url" => "...", ...}} | 19:22 |
| kanzure | not {"Psychology of..." => []} | 19:22 |
| kanzure | as it is right now, you would do something["Psychology of Religion and Spirituality"][0]["url"] | 19:22 |
| delinquentme | shouldnt i be able to do something like item.sub_item | 19:25 |
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| kanzure | delinquentme: if you want to do that then install hashie | 19:32 |
| kanzure | x = Hashie::Mash.new({:"hello" => "world"}) | 19:33 |
| kanzure | x.hello will be "world" | 19:33 |
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| delinquentme | ok so plain hashes ... give me the nice family["jason"]["name"] | 19:48 |
| delinquentme | so why would I use json? | 19:49 |
| delinquentme | i need to shave.. SO bad. | 19:49 |
| kanzure | you would use json because it's better than sending over .sqlite db files | 20:02 |
| delinquentme | but in this case by json | 20:06 |
| delinquentme | you mean a really big hasfile | 20:06 |
| delinquentme | hash file | 20:06 |
| delinquentme | this pisses me off | 20:06 |
| delinquentme | http://fellows.ted.com/profiles/skylar-tibbits | 20:06 |
| delinquentme | this dude a TED fellow for making fucking "self assembling" blocks | 20:07 |
| delinquentme | no. like gtfo. | 20:07 |
| delinquentme | hes @ MIT. | 20:07 |
| delinquentme | that. is.fucking.stupid. | 20:07 |
| kanzure | being a TED fellow isn't that hard, it's more about who you know | 20:08 |
| kanzure | at this point, at least. | 20:08 |
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| kanzure | gasp. saurik isn't allowed to have ping timeouts.. | 20:23 |
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| nmz787 | TED is sponsored by car companies and shit | 20:27 |
| nmz787 | a speaker here at RIT told me when he did a TED talk, (golan levin), the speakers met at the airport and were all like, ok we'll share a car | 20:28 |
| nmz787 | but each speaker had a sep car, and he mentioned to the driver the car was really quite | 20:28 |
| nmz787 | and immendiately a car sales pitch began | 20:28 |
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| kanzure | haha | 20:29 |
| kanzure | bleh yet another beaming standard http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/ttstam/openbeam-an-open-source-miniature-construction-sys | 20:42 |
| kanzure | what happened to makerbeam | 20:42 |
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| ParahSailin | does seem to be redundant | 21:05 |
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| kanzure | win 5 | 21:35 |
| kanzure | kdfljasdjfas | 21:35 |
| delinquentme | kanzure, find gods match for you @ christianmingle.com | 21:36 |
| kanzure | has anyone memorized his genome yet? | 21:39 |
| jrayhawk | you might get in the habit of using ctrl-p and ctrl-n and grouping channels by topic so you don't need to go far | 21:40 |
| kanzure | hrmm why is that so slow | 21:41 |
| kanzure | weird | 21:41 |
| kanzure | yeah ok i'll use that | 21:41 |
| thylane | http://www.geek.com/articles/geek-cetera/bacteria-is-perfect-for-carrying-nanotech-inside-our-bodies-20120330/ | 21:52 |
| kanzure | are you going to implement any of the news articles you keep pasting? | 21:53 |
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| thylane | what does "implement" mean in this context? | 21:59 |
| thylane | YOu mean do this in my garage? | 22:00 |
| kanzure | well mabye | 22:00 |
| kanzure | *maybe | 22:00 |
| kanzure | but i mean, what is your goal | 22:00 |
| kanzure | with reading these articles | 22:00 |
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| joshcryer | What's genome sequencing cost these days? | 22:07 |
| joshcryer | I'm seeing it for $4,998 with an 'interpretation' through Knome.com ($3,750 without interpretation). | 22:08 |
| kanzure | knome used to charge >$150,000 just four years ago | 22:11 |
| thylane | kanzure What would you prefer I do that is more fruitful activity? | 22:11 |
| kanzure | joshcryer: are you sure that's whole genome sequencing? | 22:11 |
| kanzure | thylane: i am trying to determine what your goals are. entertainment? | 22:12 |
| thylane | kanzure Knowledge of modern science? | 22:12 |
| kanzure | Most people acquire knowledge of modern science by reading scholarly journals, not pop/news. | 22:14 |
| joshcryer | kanzure, that's what it says on their site, no idea if legit. There's also Complete Genomics that I've found so far, but no pricing that I can see: http://www.completegenomics.com/ | 22:15 |
| joshcryer | http://www.dailyfinance.com/2012/03/30/gattaca-here-we-come/ | 22:16 |
| kanzure | joshcryer: i know a few people who got their genomes sequenced by knome. but again, not for $5000... | 22:16 |
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| joshcryer | kanzure, how long ago? | 22:17 |
| joshcryer | Genome sequencing costs, as you know, are dropping quick. | 22:18 |
| kanzure | joshcryer: 2008ish | 22:19 |
| kanzure | sure sure | 22:19 |
| kanzure | $5000 is pretty accessible. i wonder why i don't know anyone getting their whole genome sequenced now. | 22:19 |
| thylane | will joshcryer also receive the harsh indictment for not posting "scholarly journal"? | 22:20 |
| joshcryer | I deserve one. | 22:21 |
| kanzure | harsh?? | 22:21 |
| kanzure | are you paranoid | 22:21 |
| joshcryer | I could just be posting somes sites PR stuff. | 22:21 |
| kanzure | joshcryer: heh | 22:21 |
| joshcryer | They say whole seqeuencing but I don't see the catch yet. | 22:21 |
| kanzure | joshcryer: i think you will learn tremendously more by reading science instead of news articles | 22:23 |
| kanzure | dkfajdfkal | 22:23 |
| kanzure | i meant thylane | 22:23 |
| kanzure | but i guess it goes for joshcryer too :) | 22:23 |
| joshcryer | Ahah, sequence is 'optional.' | 22:23 |
| kanzure | er what do you get if you don't have the sequence? | 22:23 |
| joshcryer | "Our curation team manually updates our annotation database based on your phenotype of interest and project goals, ensuring the inclusion of all relevant research." | 22:24 |
| kanzure | ok so it sounds like they might just be looking at single nucleotide polymorphisms | 22:25 |
| joshcryer | Well fuck. | 22:25 |
| kanzure | but you should call them to check | 22:25 |
| yashgaroth | that and/or exome sequencing | 22:25 |
| kanzure | ari j. kiirikki <akiirikki@knome.com> | 22:25 |
| joshcryer | No on page 4 of their PDF they again state "whole genome sequencing." | 22:25 |
| kanzure | 617-528-1672 | 22:25 |
| joshcryer | btw I'm interested in a service, who cares about the science behind the thing, $5k is cheap! | 22:26 |
| kanzure | arguably you might have enough utility with just 23andme looking at your SNPs | 22:26 |
| kanzure | but for some reason i have this irrational bias towads wanting my full genome sequenced | 22:27 |
| joshcryer | I just want it on a USB stick. | 22:27 |
| kanzure | usb sticks are knome's speciality | 22:27 |
| ParahSailin | knome gives you the exome i think | 22:27 |
| yashgaroth | they do say 30x coverage, interestingly | 22:28 |
| ParahSailin | exon-ome | 22:28 |
| ParahSailin | oh so they shotgun seq for 5k, nice | 22:28 |
| joshcryer | Complete Genomics say 40x to 80x but again no pricing. | 22:28 |
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| kanzure | knome gives you a sqlite database | 22:29 |
| ParahSailin | that you have to assemble? | 22:29 |
| kanzure | it has a few different tables | 22:29 |
| kanzure | one table was reads | 22:30 |
| kanzure | another table was individual genes iirc | 22:30 |
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| kanzure | another table was an ordered set of fragments that combine to the genome? | 22:30 |
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| joshcryer | Heh, Steve Jobs had his whole genome sequenced for $100k, we'll be able to get it for under $1000 in just a couple of more years. If there's any doubt about exponential technology curves... | 22:32 |
| joshcryer | kanzure, where are you seeing that, if I may ask? | 22:33 |
| kanzure | joshcryer: from the .db file i'm looking at | 22:33 |
| joshcryer | NOVA S39E15 Cracking Your Genetic Code came out tonight which is what pipqued my interest in this | 22:35 |
| kanzure | aha | 22:35 |
| kanzure | um have you ever read anything by rob carlson? | 22:35 |
| kanzure | he's the one that ray cites for all the biotehnology curves | 22:35 |
| kanzure | *biotech | 22:35 |
| kanzure | http://www.synthesis.cc/assets_c/2011/06/carlson_cost%20per_base_june_2011.html | 22:35 |
| joshcryer | I haven't read anything by him nope. | 22:35 |
| joshcryer | Ahh, glorious. :) | 22:35 |
| kanzure | ok well look at the graph and then maybe read his blog | 22:36 |
| joshcryer | Thanks | 22:37 |
| kanzure | i guess you probably don't know about 23andme either | 22:38 |
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| joshcryer | I googled it, I'm not really interested in that. | 22:39 |
| joshcryer | I got Cryonics for a faulty genome. :P | 22:39 |
| kanzure | wut? | 22:40 |
| kanzure | 23andme reads the point mutations in your genome | 22:40 |
| kanzure | so instead of reading the whole thing, you just read the parts that are probably different or varying | 22:40 |
| kanzure | ParahSailin: back me up here | 22:41 |
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| ParahSailin | 23andme just has a snp array chip | 22:41 |
| kanzure | right | 22:41 |
| joshcryer | It's admittedly cheap. | 22:41 |
| kanzure | joshcryer doesn't know about snps, i think | 22:41 |
| joshcryer | Nope | 22:42 |
| yashgaroth | they usually do a special on DNA day if you wanna save money | 22:42 |
| kanzure | but they are sorta going broke | 22:42 |
| yashgaroth | thought they had that google money | 22:42 |
| joshcryer | I mean, I'm not ashamed to admit that a genome sequence's utility for me would be merely novelty. | 22:43 |
| yashgaroth | then I'd recommend you wait a year until it's $1k | 22:47 |
| joshcryer | That's my thought as well. | 22:48 |
| ParahSailin | i want to sequence the black soldier fly genome | 22:49 |
| ParahSailin | and then put a cellulase enzyme from termites in them | 22:49 |
| nmz787 | why? | 22:49 |
| joshcryer | ^- what he asked | 22:49 |
| ParahSailin | ossumness | 22:50 |
| ParahSailin | turn cellulose into insect protein | 22:50 |
| kanzure | are you MAD? | 22:50 |
| kanzure | good god man | 22:50 |
| kanzure | (the answer better be yes) | 22:50 |
| ParahSailin | and then into chicken protein | 22:50 |
| ParahSailin | and then into me protein | 22:51 |
| nmz787 | why not just grow termites? | 22:51 |
| ParahSailin | they dont really do that well in fed batch reactors | 22:51 |
| ParahSailin | for one, black soldier flies self-harvest | 22:51 |
| joshcryer | set them loose upon the world! | 22:51 |
| joshcryer | /Crake | 22:52 |
| ParahSailin | this would be the ultimate composting organism | 22:52 |
| ParahSailin | save the world's soil | 22:52 |
| joshcryer | and crops? | 22:53 |
| kanzure | looks like a new ed boyden paper.. http://syntheticneurobiology.org/PDFs/12.03.chow.pdf | 22:57 |
| kanzure | "Genetically encoded molecular tools for light-driven silencing of targeted neurons" | 22:58 |
| kanzure | err.. a review? | 22:58 |
| ParahSailin | i wish people wouldnt waste so much time on open source 3d printers and make a nice open source cnc mill | 22:59 |
| kanzure | ed you're going a bit overboard in the acknowledgements section | 22:59 |
| kanzure | ParahSailin: there are many options for making a cnc mill | 22:59 |
| kanzure | i guess you did say "nice" heh | 22:59 |
| kanzure | fenn: maybe you can drop some preferred machines | 22:59 |
| ParahSailin | what are some good options | 22:59 |
| joshcryer | IMO, arguably more of those projects are on YouTube than 3D printers. | 22:59 |
| kanzure | man, i was so disappointed in my mom when she was about to drop $50k on a cnc machine | 23:00 |
| kanzure | she didn't believe me that you can buy some for less than $5k | 23:00 |
| kanzure | i should just buy her one | 23:00 |
| joshcryer | OK your mom sounds cool. | 23:01 |
| kanzure | she's a stripper | 23:01 |
| joshcryer | Not sure if serious now. | 23:01 |
| yashgaroth | hahaha | 23:02 |
| kanzure | http://lwicustomcabinets.com/ | 23:02 |
| joshcryer | Hah | 23:03 |
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| joshcryer | You must use that line a lot. | 23:04 |
| ParahSailin | hm | 23:04 |
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| kanzure | joshcryer: she uses it more than i do | 23:04 |
| joshcryer | Love those photos of the chests. | 23:04 |
| kanzure | manly chests | 23:05 |
| kanzure | wait what? | 23:05 |
| joshcryer | Heheh | 23:05 |
| nmz787 | so she strips wood of varnish? | 23:06 |
| kanzure | correct | 23:06 |
| nmz787 | dude when i get a house, get your mom to hook me up with cheap cabinets | 23:07 |
| nmz787 | lol | 23:07 |
| nmz787 | nah i guess its better to buy local | 23:07 |
| joshcryer | Those are well done, probably not cheap. | 23:07 |
| kanzure | hand crafted at least | 23:08 |
| kanzure | because she still doesn't have a cnc >_< | 23:08 |
| kanzure | and here i am hauling around laser cutters and robot arms? | 23:08 |
| ParahSailin | first priority is the copper electrorefining cell | 23:09 |
| joshcryer | Do tell. | 23:11 |
| ParahSailin | scrapping pre-83 copper cents | 23:14 |
| augur | so | 23:44 |
| augur | anyone dicking around with this emotiv headset? | 23:44 |
| kanzure | augur: most recently, Mokbortolan_ | 23:46 |
| kanzure | see also https://github.com/qdot/emokit | 23:47 |
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