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| diginet | urgh, building the growth chambers for my lemna expression system is going to be expensive :/ | 00:28 |
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| diginet | ah well, some good old Schoenfield never fails to cheer me up. Anyhow, hmm | 00:30 |
| diginet | fluorescent bulbs are cheap, and efficient, but they're also too thick | 00:30 |
| diginet | LEDs in any sizeable quantity are expensive and not quite as efficient | 00:31 |
| diginet | the obvious solution would just be to use sunlight, but then I can't get the density I need, unless I figure out some way to pipe in light | 00:31 |
| diginet | does anyone here know about light tubes/pipes/guides? | 00:38 |
| diginet | would it be as simple as using optical fibers on a mirror and dispersing it with a fresnel lens? | 00:39 |
| Adifex | oop sorry went out for a bit ybit & Mariu. I'm in biomedical engineering and computer science at UTD. | 00:45 |
| Adifex | No, I don't know anybody, I searched free node for bio stuff and loaded up this alone with biopunk, diybio, and some other places. | 00:46 |
| Adifex | Hplus is the best though :D | 00:47 |
| Adifex | as its namesake borders on philosophical stuff too | 00:47 |
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| kanzure | beep boop | 09:48 |
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| kanzure | even more diybio fearmongering http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/sunday/2012-04/15/content_15050264.htm | 09:54 |
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| strangewarp | It's China's state newspaper, so no surprise there; like many countries in the present and throughout history, their government is terrified of what their populace would turn to with even a little bit of power | 09:59 |
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| kanzure | nmz787: hi | 11:36 |
| kanzure | nmz787: so i don't understand. was that a yes or no on the synthesizer? | 11:36 |
| nmz787 | it was my opinion | 11:44 |
| nmz787 | i didnt check to see if we can get replacement chemicals | 11:45 |
| nmz787 | what do you think? | 11:48 |
| kanzure | oh, column -t is nice. wish i would have known about that | 11:49 |
| nmz787 | we could potentially spend weeks trying to get it to work, is that worth not spending that time for our system | 11:49 |
| nmz787 | ? | 11:49 |
| kanzure | nmz787: yeah i haven't checked either | 11:49 |
| kanzure | well. | 11:49 |
| nmz787 | http://www.glenresearch.com/Catalog/biosearch8000.html#reagnets | 11:49 |
| nmz787 | the ebay item you sent was a biosearch 8400 | 11:49 |
| kanzure | i think it would be educational even if it's fubbared | 11:49 |
| nmz787 | so i guess the chems are availab;e | 11:49 |
| nmz787 | right, but is that education worth $900 | 11:49 |
| nmz787 | if we're just taking it apart, i'd feel better about paying 1/2 that price | 11:50 |
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| kanzure | most of these were originally purchased with service/repair contracts | 11:51 |
| kanzure | so i suspect that cheaper synthesizers don't show up because they are repaired (not sure) | 11:51 |
| kanzure | what was that other site we found? where it listed the $10k, $90k refurbished synthesizers | 11:52 |
| kanzure | ah it was this site http://www.bluelionbio.com/labequip.phtml?mode=list&mode2=by_category&category_id=20 | 11:53 |
| kanzure | meh .. "CyClone Oligo Synthesizer $4,750 USD" | 11:54 |
| kanzure | interesting.. here's an email from 1994 complaining abuot the cyclone http://www.bio.net/bionet/mm/methods/1994-March/012615.html | 11:56 |
| nmz787 | hmm | 11:58 |
| kanzure | well. i haven't seen them cheaper than $800 before. | 11:59 |
| nmz787 | i'll ask this week about the synth on campus, supposedly has bad valves | 11:59 |
| kanzure | also: there's a good number of listed, cheap syringe pumps on ebay | 11:59 |
| nmz787 | i doubt they'll sell it, but its worth a shot | 11:59 |
| kanzure | how many pumps are we going to need? | 12:00 |
| nmz787 | http://dallas.craigslist.org/ftw/bfs/2906322670.html | 12:00 |
| kanzure | haha $200. ok great. | 12:00 |
| nmz787 | o | 12:00 |
| nmz787 | not actually a synth i think | 12:01 |
| kanzure | er that's a mini prep machine | 12:01 |
| kanzure | yeah | 12:01 |
| nmz787 | well all of 4 listings on craigslist, that was the only one for sale | 12:01 |
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| kanzure | here's one in atlanta for $500 | 12:04 |
| kanzure | http://www.ebay.com/itm/Beckman-OLIGO-1000-DNA-Synthesizer-Analytical-Lab-/350556433801?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item519ecaad89#ht_500wt_1056 | 12:04 |
| nmz787 | well that one having the manuals /is/ a good thing | 12:04 |
| kanzure | heh i wonder where those gauges on the ground are supposed to go | 12:05 |
| nmz787 | that just looks like a gas pressure regulator | 12:05 |
| kanzure | which gas? :x | 12:05 |
| kanzure | huge pdf file- looks like beckman oligo 1000 marketing material | 12:07 |
| kanzure | http://www.bidonequipment.info/pdf%20files/BECKMAN%20INSTRUMENTS,%20INC.%20OLIGO%20Series%201000%20DNA%20Synthesis%20Systems.pdf | 12:07 |
| kanzure | "Dimensions: 43 cm x 54 m x 48 cm" | 12:09 |
| nmz787 | g2g, friend needs fast car help | 12:09 |
| kanzure | "Reagent Delivery: Helium Gas 99.99% pure" | 12:09 |
| nmz787 | yta | 12:10 |
| nmz787 | for pushing the fluid | 12:10 |
| nmz787 | i think | 12:10 |
| nmz787 | or a non-oxidative environment | 12:10 |
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| kanzure | hi yashgaroth | 12:49 |
| yashgaroth | yo | 12:49 |
| yashgaroth | so, you've checked with agent you/head about individuals owning an oligo maker? | 12:50 |
| kanzure | nope | 12:51 |
| kanzure | that's akin to checking with them to own an inkjet printer :) | 12:52 |
| yashgaroth | haha we'll see if that holds up in theoretical court | 12:52 |
| yashgaroth | actually, I do wonder if those machines come hard-coded to store a record of all the oligos it's made | 12:54 |
| kanzure | the software looks very ancient | 12:56 |
| kanzure | looks like it might be running DOS | 12:57 |
| yashgaroth | I'd say *nix, but biologists are shitty enough with programming that it probably is DOS | 12:57 |
| kanzure | reverse engineering the software isn't a problem.... once i get the actual hard drives orw hatever | 12:57 |
| kanzure | in general you can assume it's the worst possible software | 12:58 |
| yashgaroth | the processing required isn't exactly intensive, even for mid-90's | 12:58 |
| kanzure | it looks like one of those machines expects you to manually type in the sequence? | 12:58 |
| kanzure | some of them look like they have rs232 so there's at least that.. | 12:58 |
| yashgaroth | unless it does degenerate sequences, a keypad would be sufficient | 12:59 |
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| kanzure | yashgaroth: manual input is incredibly error-prone | 13:00 |
| kanzure | i doubt any synthesis company would be manually typing in sequences | 13:00 |
| yashgaroth | ehh, gotta have something for the techs to do/fuck up | 13:02 |
| kanzure | yashgaroth: honestly i thought that all these web synthesis services just hooked up their website directly to the machines | 13:02 |
| kanzure | but i know better now :| | 13:02 |
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| kanzure | i'm surprised they still have enough margin to pay for manual button pressing | 13:04 |
| yashgaroth | I'm sure the big companies have it all automated these days | 13:04 |
| yashgaroth | you don't need phd's doing it | 13:05 |
| kanzure | yeah but at some point the cost of hiring someone is going to be greater than the price you're charging | 13:05 |
| yashgaroth | anyway I'm sure you can run it all through the serial port if you want | 13:07 |
| kanzure | streety: yes i am based in texas | 13:20 |
| yashgaroth | well, if you don't need to make >1 oligo at a time, that beckman does look like a good deal | 13:23 |
| n_bentha | yashgaroth: did you hear back from the other job? | 13:23 |
| n_bentha | did you get the pee in the mail? | 13:24 |
| yashgaroth | got a phone interview tomorrow | 13:24 |
| yashgaroth | all the thc should be out of my system before they check it | 13:24 |
| n_bentha | woohoo! good luck, buddy. i so wish i had a job and was't a student studying for the mcat. /me really doesn't want to be broke | 13:24 |
| n_bentha | ok well drink h20 and work out | 13:24 |
| yashgaroth | oh, any news on your cursed transformation? | 13:25 |
| yashgaroth | it's the closest thing I get to intrigue now that I've run out of stuff to watch | 13:26 |
| n_bentha | no :( | 13:27 |
| n_bentha | but i did a different transformation with a ~13kb plasmid construct, and it worked! (i think). only got a few colonies, but i cultured them and i'm hoping they turned out great | 13:27 |
| yashgaroth | 13kb's no problem for bacteria, so they should be fine | 13:27 |
| n_bentha | yeah. usual plasmid size is a lot smaller, right? | 13:28 |
| n_bentha | this one has 3 differnet genes in it | 13:28 |
| yashgaroth | the construct we used at my previous company was like 12kb, because they had all sorts of stupid shit in it | 13:29 |
| yashgaroth | "oh there are cell lines with EBNA gene already expressed? no thanks let's stick that whole 3kb in every plasmid" | 13:29 |
| n_bentha | ah i c | 13:29 |
| n_bentha | lol | 13:30 |
| n_bentha | yeah, there's a big 'protein backbone' on this one. and then 3 genes. | 13:30 |
| n_bentha | gotta transform it into agro and then plants | 13:30 |
| n_bentha | big money if it works | 13:30 |
| yashgaroth | I thought you were in academia? big papers? | 13:31 |
| n_bentha | high agricultural economic importance | 13:31 |
| n_bentha | ya. i'd probably won't see a dime of the money | 13:32 |
| n_bentha | :( | 13:32 |
| yashgaroth | but think of the cars your university executives will be able to afford! | 13:32 |
| n_bentha | haha. they already get a mansion, cars, and like 400k for sitting on their fat asses | 13:32 |
| n_bentha | fuck. i wish i could be the president of my univ | 13:33 |
| yashgaroth | oh man the UW president makes so much money | 13:33 |
| n_bentha | yahgaroth. I was shocked today to learn that "According to Mensa, the average adult IQ score is 100.". Then I realized that it explains so much. | 13:34 |
| n_bentha | I used to think the average IQ was like 120. | 13:34 |
| yashgaroth | 100 is the definition of the average | 13:34 |
| nmz787 | i generally think the avg IQ is lower than 100 | 13:34 |
| yashgaroth | but yeah, for everyone 120 there's an 80 | 13:34 |
| n_bentha | And alot of those 120's are now 60's from drug abuse. | 13:35 |
| yashgaroth | nmz, you just underestimate how stupid 100 IQ is | 13:35 |
| n_bentha | +1 | 13:35 |
| n_bentha | I remember in Pinky and the Brain when Brain told Pinky that his iq was 6--that of a soapdish. | 13:38 |
| kanzure | i think i have an iq of 100 | 13:45 |
| n_bentha | iq's change a lot during your teenage years. if you got it tested when you were 13, then it's probably different now, kanzure. | 13:46 |
| kanzure | i'm not really interested in testing my iq :) | 13:47 |
| n_bentha | me neither. the first one i took. the lady didn't proctor the exam correctly. | 13:47 |
| n_bentha | i got all the answers correct really quickly. then there was a page that said you are supposed to stop and wait for the proctor before you continue, so i sat and daydreamed while the other kids were still working. then the proctor called time and collected all the books and i was like wtf mate, you didn't tell us to continue. | 13:49 |
| nmz787 | when i was 8 or so, I think I was in the 130s | 14:01 |
| nmz787 | these days I don't really even know what IQ really means, but I generally like people that are 'sensible', dunno if that equates to intelligence | 14:02 |
| nmz787 | also, these days, I'm too bored to take another long-ass IQ test, especially the ones on the internet that seem kind of bogus | 14:03 |
| n_bentha | haha interent iq tests....lol | 14:03 |
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| strangewarp | IQ "over 160", but half the people with very high IQs end up emotionally dysfunctional, so I pissed away a lot of opportunities and am presently in a rut | 15:46 |
| strangewarp | also, itt responding to conversations that happened 3 hours ago | 15:46 |
| kanzure | you shouldn't really plan your life around your iq number | 15:50 |
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| lichen | iq never really matters for anything | 15:50 |
| kanzure | lichen: you should read up on netbeans and jsp when you have some spare time | 15:51 |
| lichen | mmk | 15:51 |
| kanzure | or setup apache tomcat and run jsp for shits-n-giggles.. | 15:51 |
| lichen | ive had a sort of busy weekend but ill try to get to that | 15:51 |
| delinquentme | strangewarp, whats the issue? | 16:08 |
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| strangewarp | delinquentme: Actually got over my issues mostly, now I'm doing stuff. But I am basically the poster-boy for demonstrating IQ doesn't equate to success ;) | 16:26 |
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| delinquentme | does IQ + focus? | 16:27 |
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| strangewarp | Maybe. From my own experience, I know when I take citicoline and alpha-GPC, it gives me focus, and I suddenly feel like I've reclaimed my birthright. Definitely going to grab large supplies of those once I can. | 16:29 |
| Mariu | are emotions a thing of the future, or not ? | 16:29 |
| kanzure | birthright?? | 16:29 |
| kanzure | Mariu: what? | 16:29 |
| strangewarp | kanzure: As a supposed "genius" :P | 16:29 |
| kanzure | you guys just got all crazy. you're asking if emotions are real, and now if iq is a birthright or something | 16:29 |
| Mariu | will they exist / be needed in the future or not ? | 16:29 |
| kanzure | Mariu: needed by who? | 16:30 |
| Mariu | humans :p | 16:30 |
| kanzure | many humans live with tremendous brain damage | 16:30 |
| kanzure | so yes it's possible...? | 16:30 |
| Mariu | I see, point taken | 16:30 |
| kanzure | strangewarp: ehh, genius just isn't a helpful label | 16:31 |
| kanzure | what are you going to do.. group up with all the other geniuses? | 16:32 |
| kanzure | mensa doesn't do much except scrabble tournaments | 16:32 |
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| kanzure | hi nmz787 | 16:33 |
| kanzure | "ah what a fine day for science" | 16:33 |
| kanzure | someone should make transcripts for all the dexter episodes | 16:34 |
| nmz787 | yes | 16:34 |
| nmz787 | i would think they exist | 16:34 |
| kanzure | nope | 16:34 |
| kanzure | http://dexterslab.wikia.com/wiki/The_Bus_Boy_(transcript) | 16:34 |
| kanzure | that's not even complete | 16:34 |
| kanzure | "Mandark. Mandark. Let me know when you are done and I'll show you the rest of the lab. Here we have the main directory. My lab is divided into five sectors: artificial intelligence, synthetic technology, biochemistry, electromechanics, and top secret stuff. Anything you would like to see first?" | 16:35 |
| nmz787 | wait, dexter's lab is diff than dexter | 16:35 |
| kanzure | "Uh, top secret stuff?" | 16:35 |
| kanzure | "Good choice. To your left, you have your basic robot army, alien communicator, atom smasher, teleporter, giant robot, time portal. Ah, yeah, I'm sure you have all of this stuff back at your lab. Ah, yes. This is a personal favorite. By a process of neural infusion, I am able to harness the collective unconcious, so for a short time I am able to become the smartest being on earth. Not specifically diabolical, but, hey, it couldn't hurt. Would you l | 16:35 |
| kanzure | huh? there's only one dexter and he has a lab | 16:35 |
| nmz787 | they both have labs actually | 16:36 |
| kanzure | who is this other dexter? | 16:36 |
| kanzure | alter dexter? | 16:36 |
| nmz787 | one is a blood splatter tech | 16:36 |
| nmz787 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dexter_(TV_series) | 16:36 |
| kanzure | hrmm | 16:36 |
| nmz787 | i've seen them all | 16:36 |
| nmz787 | can't say the same for dexter's lab the cartoon | 16:36 |
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| strangewarp | kanzure: Yeah, I used to be Mensa's flagship youth member, and it served to indirectly make things worse instead of better | 16:43 |
| strangewarp | That's in the past, though | 16:43 |
| kanzure | what did mensa do? | 16:45 |
| kanzure | besides scrabble | 16:45 |
| strangewarp | Honestly? Mostly encouraged my parents to isolate me from others, and then try to push me through university when I was obviously not emotionally or intellectually ready. | 16:45 |
| kanzure | what? so they called your parents regularly? | 16:46 |
| strangewarp | No, one of them was a Mensa member, so lots of one-way enthusiasm going on | 16:47 |
| delinquentme | strangewarp, are you an electrical engineer? | 16:48 |
| strangewarp | delinquentme: No, but I've built electronic music gizmos from other people's schematics. | 16:48 |
| delinquentme | ever program a beagleboard? | 16:49 |
| kanzure | why are you asking? | 16:49 |
| strangewarp | Nope, just ATMEGAs.. | 16:49 |
| delinquentme | or written code for MCs | 16:49 |
| kanzure | i think there are other people you should ask for beagleboard info | 16:49 |
| strangewarp | I've done a bit of Wiring but it was for a dumb project that I put on hold | 16:49 |
| strangewarp | Yeah, I'm probably not the best person to ask :p | 16:49 |
| kanzure | i mean, i don't see why you are asking about beagleboard to strangewarp specifically | 16:49 |
| delinquentme | whats the difference between these chips | 16:50 |
| delinquentme | i mean at a ligh level | 16:50 |
| delinquentme | AVR ARMs | 16:50 |
| kanzure | atmega is a microcontroller and dev board probably | 16:50 |
| delinquentme | ATMEGA? | 16:50 |
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| kanzure | beagleboard is a small computer with "motherboard" | 16:50 |
| kanzure | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beagleboard | 16:51 |
| strangewarp | ATMEGAs are what the Arduino is based upon, and as I understand it, they're particularly user-friendly. I've only loaded my own code onto ATMEGAs embedded in Arduinos though | 16:51 |
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| kanzure | hi klafka | 16:52 |
| strangewarp | If you're loading code onto standalone ATMEGA chips, you have to use a programmer like this doodad: http://www.sparkfun.com/products/9825 | 16:54 |
| strangewarp | And I think it requires a small custom circuit in addition, as well | 16:54 |
| * strangewarp past the boundaries of his knowledge now | 16:55 | |
| delinquentme | yeah so you've got that option in arduinos | 16:55 |
| delinquentme | to write either arduino code .. and let the arduino interpreter run it or flash your own code | 16:55 |
| delinquentme | whatever compiled binary right? | 16:55 |
| strangewarp | I'm pretty sure there's an implementation of C for certain ATMEGA chips, or at least I heard about it in passing | 16:56 |
| strangewarp | Let's see.. if you're uploading to a standalone, you need to send it a hex file, using WinAVR or somesuch equivalent program | 16:57 |
| strangewarp | I am inexperienced in that area, alas | 16:57 |
| delinquentme | ok more: | 16:57 |
| strangewarp | There are tutorials though, they make use of that Sparkfun programmer doodad | 16:58 |
| delinquentme | what about panda boards .. the website says for mobile development ... this just means its a low power platform right? | 16:58 |
| delinquentme | you can plug it into a wall and you can run whatever it is you want on it | 16:58 |
| strangewarp | alas, you've got to ask someone else about those | 16:58 |
| klafka | HEY | 17:33 |
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| nmz787 | delinquentme: ATMEGA chips power Arduino dev boards, they are of the AVR processor architecture, ATMEGA chips also have peripheral electronics on-chip, like for doing SPI and RS232 comms | 17:59 |
| nmz787 | delinquentme: beagleboard and pandaboard are based on TI's OMAP processor line | 18:00 |
| nmz787 | delinquentme: which encompass an ARM processor core, as well as a TI DSP processor core, as well as a multitude of varying peripherals, including audio, video decoders and encoders | 18:00 |
| delinquentme | peripherals! | 18:01 |
| delinquentme | ive been trying to figure out how to do a search for processor + board | 18:01 |
| delinquentme | not just processor | 18:01 |
| nmz787 | DSPs have very cool abilities such as single instruction, multiple data | 18:01 |
| nmz787 | which is why they're called DSPs, because they can process a shit ton of data with few instructions | 18:01 |
| delinquentme | digital signal controller | 18:02 |
| delinquentme | yeah just read about those | 18:02 |
| nmz787 | basically the data pipeline is bigger for the amount of code that controls it | 18:02 |
| nmz787 | what do you mean for processor + board? | 18:02 |
| delinquentme | like I dont want to search for chips | 18:02 |
| nmz787 | what are you looking for? | 18:02 |
| delinquentme | i want to search for a board | 18:02 |
| delinquentme | im not really sure quite yet like should it be based around the core processor on the board? | 18:03 |
| nmz787 | with what characteristics? | 18:03 |
| nmz787 | it depends what architecture you want to work with | 18:03 |
| nmz787 | you can do a lot with FPGAs and CPLDs | 18:03 |
| nmz787 | you can actually program processors into those | 18:04 |
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| nmz787 | or you can make them do very straightforward things, where your data just flows through the manipulation, rather than being piped around a processor's architecture with instructions | 18:05 |
| delinquentme | lol yeah with HDLs right? | 18:05 |
| nmz787 | high density lipoproteins? | 18:05 |
| nmz787 | hardware def lang? | 18:05 |
| delinquentme | hardware description languages | 18:05 |
| nmz787 | yeah that's one way, verilog is the best i've heard | 18:05 |
| nmz787 | if you want to go FPGA/CPLD route | 18:06 |
| nmz787 | but if you go that route, you'd better set aside a year of time to learn and get your feet wet | 18:06 |
| delinquentme | yeah I think thats not what im after | 18:06 |
| delinquentme | at last count I need 2 steppers 1 linear actuator a string pot and a switch | 18:07 |
| delinquentme | so like from what I know | 18:07 |
| delinquentme | that could be a SUPER simple MC | 18:07 |
| delinquentme | ( I asked around and some electronics dude forwarded one that seems like its for audio processing to me ) | 18:07 |
| nmz787 | beagleboard, beaglebone, pandaboard, gumstix, raspberry pi all have pretty decent communities if you need something with that much power | 18:07 |
| delinquentme | http://www.st.com/internet/com/TECHNICAL_RESOURCES/TECHNICAL_LITERATURE/DATA_BRIEF/DM00037955.pdf | 18:08 |
| nmz787 | dont use ST | 18:08 |
| delinquentme | for the main board I do | 18:08 |
| nmz787 | for MCs they have terrible docs | 18:08 |
| delinquentme | and im wrapping my head around how to program those | 18:08 |
| delinquentme | haha | 18:08 |
| nmz787 | and also closed source programming toolchains | 18:08 |
| delinquentme | oddly enough I was thinking that that sheet was rather sparse | 18:08 |
| nmz787 | you can compile C to AVR hex with gcc toolchain | 18:08 |
| nmz787 | same with TI's MSP430 | 18:09 |
| delinquentme | so how do I find the right board for running those peripherals | 18:09 |
| nmz787 | i like the parallax propeller lately | 18:09 |
| nmz787 | it can def do all what you just said you need | 18:09 |
| nmz787 | its cheap, as easy as arduino | 18:09 |
| nmz787 | and has great docs and community with large repo of prior art/code | 18:09 |
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| nmz787 | FYI | 18:10 |
| nmz787 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_single-board_computers | 18:10 |
| katsmeow-afk | how do you know which cpu is active at any time? | 18:10 |
| nmz787 | you program it | 18:10 |
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| nmz787 | on startup only one is active, but then you dish out programs to the others | 18:10 |
| katsmeow-afk | yeas, you have 8 cores, how do you know from outside the chip, which is active? | 18:11 |
| nmz787 | all cores can access any of the 32 gpio pins at the same time, so if you tell core 0 to toggle I/O 1, then you look at I/O 1 with an o-scope to tell its active | 18:11 |
| delinquentme | can panda boards be used for whatever? | 18:12 |
| nmz787 | i'm not really sure that answers your question tho | 18:12 |
| delinquentme | like i see no reason why you could *only* use it for mobile dev | 18:12 |
| nmz787 | delinquentme: yea | 18:12 |
| delinquentme | ( even though thats what the website says ) | 18:12 |
| delinquentme | but it would be cheaper to buy something more purpose-built | 18:12 |
| katsmeow-afk | it doesn't, really, i wanted to mux all 32gpio pins dependng on which cpu was active at the time | 18:12 |
| delinquentme | but yeah I've got 1 main board and 12 subsequent MCs which need to control the previous sensors etc | 18:12 |
| nmz787 | for what you mentioned earlier, steppers and whatnot, you dont NEED pandaboard or anything in that class | 18:13 |
| nmz787 | ahh, well you can sync the cores pretty easily | 18:13 |
| delinquentme | nah but I need something to control 12 of X (smaller micro ) which controls the sets of steppers and whatnot | 18:13 |
| nmz787 | propeller is 8 cores in 1 | 18:13 |
| nmz787 | so get two of them, and you've got 16 cores | 18:13 |
| katsmeow-afk | with 4 io pins per cpu | 18:14 |
| nmz787 | pandaboard is good for mobile dev because it has bluetooth and wifi onboard | 18:14 |
| nmz787 | that's all | 18:14 |
| nmz787 | like i said, on the propeller each core has access to all 32 io pins, so you could sync the cores, and just program it so they don't step on each others feet | 18:15 |
| delinquentme | so parallax is another option for a company like ST .. but higher quality | 18:15 |
| katsmeow-afk | <blink> | 18:15 |
| nmz787 | katsmeow-afk: tell me more about what you want to do | 18:16 |
| nmz787 | delinquentme: i guess, ST probably has a wider product range, but yeah they both make processors | 18:16 |
| katsmeow-afk | use the propchip like 8 cpus, with 32bit io per chip, by muxing the real world as the chip sees it | 18:17 |
| katsmeow-afk | delinquentme, ST doesn't make Parallax's propellor cpu | 18:17 |
| katsmeow-afk | it's not amatterof uality even | 18:17 |
| nmz787 | delinquentme: TI, ST, Parallax, MicroChip, freescale, intel, amd, cypress | 18:17 |
| katsmeow-afk | it all depends if they make a cpu that will do what you want | 18:18 |
| delinquentme | Hmmm | 18:18 |
| nmz787 | and also if they're based in US or not | 18:18 |
| delinquentme | so you can get CPUs which do what you want | 18:18 |
| nmz787 | that generally tells of their support and doc quality | 18:18 |
| delinquentme | or large ones which you can just flash to do what you want? | 18:18 |
| nmz787 | the bigger they are, the harder to set up electronically and code-environment wise | 18:19 |
| delinquentme | the bigger? | 18:19 |
| delinquentme | you mean the more complex the CPU is? | 18:19 |
| nmz787 | yeah, like the panda/beagle boards use OMAP | 18:19 |
| nmz787 | they have two cores that are diff architecture, and 10s of peripherals | 18:19 |
| nmz787 | need DDR ram, tons of caps, diff power supply levels | 18:19 |
| nmz787 | yeah, CPU complexity as well as onboard peripherals and req offboard peripherals | 18:20 |
| delinquentme | so like something like this: http://www.ebay.com/itm/PARALLAX-P8X32A-Propeller-QuickStart-Board-/110852456328?_trksid=p3284.m263&_trkparms=algo%3DSIC%26its%3DI%26itu%3DUCI%252BIA%252BUA%252BFICS%252BUFI%26otn%3D21%26pmod%3D110856567956%26ps%3D54#ht_603wt_1398 | 18:20 |
| delinquentme | that I would just flash with new code and have it run that shit | 18:20 |
| nmz787 | just to get beagle/panda setup in dev environment takes a lot of time reading through 1000 page PDFs for specific bits in special registers to set | 18:20 |
| katsmeow-afk | just throw attinys at it | 18:21 |
| delinquentme | what? | 18:21 |
| delinquentme | really? | 18:21 |
| delinquentme | thats gay | 18:21 |
| nmz787 | propeller is as easy as arduino to get running, download one zip from parallax, and plug into RS232/USB-Serial | 18:21 |
| nmz787 | beagle/panda of course have communities, so a lot of that setup has been done | 18:21 |
| delinquentme | arduino is probably the biggest community right? | 18:21 |
| nmz787 | but when you want to toggle I/O pins from embedded linux on the beagleboard, or use the raspberry pi's camera (parallel I/O) port... you gonna have fun digging into huge docs | 18:22 |
| delinquentme | the pi has an onboard camera? | 18:22 |
| nmz787 | unless someone else 'beats' you to it!~ | 18:22 |
| nmz787 | no, but it has a port | 18:23 |
| delinquentme | ohhh ic ic | 18:23 |
| delinquentme | theres sooo much complexity in these chips | 18:23 |
| delinquentme | but like for most operations you dont need to hit upon most of it huh | 18:23 |
| delinquentme | um whats a brownout? | 18:24 |
| nmz787 | loss of power | 18:24 |
| nmz787 | not enough current supplied | 18:24 |
| nmz787 | so shit dies randomly | 18:24 |
| delinquentme | http://www.ebay.com/itm/1pcs-new-Development-Board-KIT-ATMEL-AVR-ATMEGA128-Mega128-WL-/320808718559?_trksid=p3284.m263&_trkparms=algo%3DSIC%26its%3DI%26itu%3DUCI%252BIA%252BUA%252BFICS%252BUFI%26otn%3D21%26pmod%3D110856567956%26ps%3D54#ht_2519wt_1398 | 18:24 |
| delinquentme | thats a circus. | 18:25 |
| nmz787 | lol | 18:25 |
| kanzure | i wonder if i could buy a circus on ebay | 18:26 |
| delinquentme | ^ | 18:26 |
| delinquentme | http://www.instructables.com/answers/Is-there-a-cheaper-alternative-to-arduino/ | 18:26 |
| delinquentme | this! | 18:26 |
| delinquentme | can you really buy one of those chips and basically get a working arduino for 5 bucks? | 18:27 |
| delinquentme | found one for 8 | 18:27 |
| delinquentme | what specifically does "arduino compatible circuit" mean | 18:27 |
| delinquentme | can I flash arduino code onto it and run it like the $60 dollar version? | 18:28 |
| delinquentme | bc that'd be effinf swell | 18:28 |
| nmz787 | arduino is just the IDE and community | 18:28 |
| nmz787 | period | 18:28 |
| nmz787 | its also a dev board | 18:28 |
| nmz787 | as someone said earlier, you can use attiny chips | 18:28 |
| nmz787 | they are also AVR arch | 18:28 |
| nmz787 | and cost about $2 | 18:28 |
| nmz787 | the least you need to get them running is an lm317 and some caps | 18:29 |
| delinquentme | so effectively the code is out there | 18:29 |
| delinquentme | as well as the schematics | 18:29 |
| delinquentme | and while they're not going to be as pretty | 18:30 |
| delinquentme | they'll run the same code and do exactly the same shit | 18:30 |
| delinquentme | save for the switches and LEds which arent included in the stripped out versions | 18:30 |
| nmz787 | basically | 18:32 |
| nmz787 | you should use a crystal too, if you're doing anything time dependent | 18:32 |
| nmz787 | but yeah, basically what you said | 18:33 |
| nmz787 | http://robots-everywhere.com/site/data-loggers/thalamoid/ | 18:35 |
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| delinquentme | http://hcgilje.wordpress.com/resources/arduino-standalone/ this dude is saying theres an internal oscilator? | 18:42 |
| delinquentme | ghetto fab? | 18:42 |
| katsmeow-afk | most cpu have various ways to make clock signal, from internal clock, external rc, external resonator external xtal, external synchronous drive, etc | 18:48 |
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| delinquentme | its not at all complex to put a bootloader on a chip right? | 18:55 |
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| delinquentme | superkuh, lol howdy | 19:03 |
| delinquentme | i hear you've got lots of cool goodies | 19:03 |
| nmz787 | delinquentme: putting a bootloader on a chip just means programming it at a low-level | 19:04 |
| nmz787 | delinquentme: it really doesn't have a place in microcontroller land | 19:04 |
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| nmz787 | arduino uses a "bootloader", which is just arduino code... and all it does is make programming a little easier | 19:05 |
| delinquentme | yeah its "do i buy the bootloader install hardware or buy the preinstalled arduino duellmoive whatever chip" | 19:05 |
| nmz787 | with an embedded linux system, the bootloader is mostly the CPU specific code, setting up all the peripherals and stuff, then it looks to flash or SD memory to load the linux kernel | 19:06 |
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| nmz787 | arduino is nice to have because it functions as a programmer for fresh AVR chips | 19:06 |
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| katsmeow-afk | afaik, you can suck the bootloader off an arduino avr and put it on as many of the same avr you like | 19:08 |
| katsmeow-afk | on the other paw, according to Tom and rue, you don't need a bootloader | 19:08 |
| nmz787 | you can just download the bootloader source | 19:08 |
| nmz787 | and right, you don't need a bootloader | 19:08 |
| delinquentme | i think ill just buy the pre loaded chips | 19:08 |
| nmz787 | it just makes programming them a bit easier | 19:08 |
| nmz787 | which means you can hook up RX, TX, and DTS directly to the chip to program | 19:09 |
| nmz787 | vs using a different protocol called in circuit programming or something like that/ | 19:09 |
| nmz787 | but programmers that do that are like $15 | 19:10 |
| nmz787 | or as I said, an arduino can do that too | 19:10 |
| katsmeow-afk | Tom sells programmers, and iirc rue has programed avr using serial,parallel, and pata ports | 19:10 |
| delinquentme | so at like 5 i break even huh | 19:11 |
| nmz787 | if you're gonna go with AVR, just get an arduino to ease into the whole paradigm, then get fresh un-bootloadered chips | 19:11 |
| nmz787 | you can get one at radioshack for $30 | 19:11 |
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| delinquentme | yeah i've got a mega | 19:20 |
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| delinquentme | dude longecity | 20:14 |
| delinquentme | has the shittiest login system | 20:14 |
| Mariu | :) | 20:15 |
| Mariu | longecity, that sounds nice | 20:16 |
| kanzure | i prefered their older name.. | 20:17 |
| kanzure | their new name sucks | 20:17 |
| kanzure | "immortality institute" is a way better name for forums than "longecity" | 20:17 |
| nmz787 | long city... must be like long island | 20:25 |
| kanzure | gotta drive home. bbl | 20:27 |
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| delinquentme | alright all | 20:36 |
| delinquentme | GEW NIGHT | 20:36 |
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| Mariu | later everyone | 22:21 |
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| joshcryer | kanzure, I don't understand wtf longecity means | 22:50 |
| kanzure | it just means "we're all too many panzies who don't want to put Immortality Institute on our resumes" | 22:50 |
| kanzure | apparently one of the major reasons for renaming their site was that they were afraid of persecution because of their resumes? | 22:50 |
| kanzure | (i don't know how that's the case; i don't think i've ever been hired because of my resume..) | 22:51 |
| joshcryer | I'm not even sure how you should pronounce it | 22:52 |
| kanzure | lounge city | 22:52 |
| joshcryer | That's what I thought. But Why not buy the domain with the u? :P | 22:53 |
| joshcryer | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Longeing | 22:53 |
| kanzure | they probably were trying to go for "longevity" | 22:54 |
| joshcryer | Ahhhhh, yes. Doh. OK, I get it now. Stupid name. | 22:54 |
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| Mokbortolan_ | I had an interesting thought today | 23:22 |
| Mokbortolan_ | in the US, conservatives are fiscally individualist and socially collectivist | 23:22 |
| Mokbortolan_ | and liberals are fiscally collectivist and socialy individualist | 23:22 |
| Mokbortolan_ | or at least, lean in those directions | 23:23 |
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| sylph_mako | each collectiveism renders the collectivism in the other sense unnecessary. | 23:51 |
| Mokbortolan_ | social individualist: You can do what you like, as long as you don't hurt me. | 23:58 |
| Mokbortolan_ | social collectivist: You have to abide by the rules of the group. | 23:59 |
| kanzure | political permaband | 23:59 |
| Mokbortolan_ | ? | 23:59 |
| * Mokbortolan_ enjoys meta-politics. | 23:59 | |
| kanzure | i'm too sleepy to evaluate whether or not your politics is insufficiently cnosidered | 23:59 |
| * kanzure sleeps | 23:59 | |
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