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| Mariu | later everyone | 00:19 |
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| fenn | well that took forever. rendering a rail generated by implicitcad in meshlab http://fennetic.net/irc/rail_meshlab.png | 00:33 |
| delinquentme | sooo you're modeling rails? | 00:39 |
| delinquentme | or is that like a study in that cad? | 00:39 |
| fenn | both | 00:45 |
| delinquentme | not solidworks huh? | 00:48 |
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| jrayhawk | He's probably evaluating cad software for eventual use in SKDB standardization | 01:42 |
| delinquentme | http://labs.nortd.com/lasersaur/ | 01:47 |
| delinquentme | gorgeous mill http://micro.lumenlab.com/micro | 01:49 |
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| kanzure | does anyone have a quick mobi-to-pdf tool for linux? | 05:45 |
| kanzure | *finally* http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/diybio/biopunk.pdf | 06:04 |
| kanzure | ^book | 06:04 |
| Coornail | kanzure: calibre is alright for that | 06:09 |
| kanzure | yes i've done the conversion already | 06:10 |
| kanzure | also i'm a little annoyed that i had to use a gui tool | 06:10 |
| Coornail | you can probably script calibre from the cli | 06:11 |
| Coornail | there is a python api as I remember | 06:11 |
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| phryk | kanzure: nice, I was thinking of buying that :) | 06:33 |
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| kanzure | i've given a few copies to friends, annoyed it took so long to get a digital version | 06:40 |
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| kanzure | "The Geometric Structure of the Brain Fiber Pathways" http://www.sciencemag.org/content/335/6076/1628.abstract | 07:11 |
| kanzure | "diffusion magnetic resonance imaging. The cerebral fiber pathways formed a | 07:12 |
| kanzure | rectilinear three-dimensional grid continuous with the three principal axes | 07:12 |
| kanzure | of development. Cortico-cortical pathways formed parallel sheets of | 07:12 |
| kanzure | interwoven paths in the longitudinal and medio-lateral axes, in which major | 07:12 |
| kanzure | pathways were local condensations. Cross-species homology was strong and | 07:12 |
| kanzure | showed emergence of complex gyral connectivity by continuous elaboration of | 07:12 |
| kanzure | this grid structure. This architecture naturally supports functional | 07:12 |
| kanzure | spatio-temporal coherence, developmental path-finding, and incremental | 07:12 |
| kanzure | rewiring with correlated adaptation of structure and function in cerebral | 07:12 |
| kanzure | plasticity and evolution." | 07:12 |
| kanzure | oh right. this was the earlier "grid" paper from this month. | 07:12 |
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| kanzure | cia field agent leak http://pastebin.com/3RNmH53Q | 07:33 |
| kanzure | actually on second thought don't click that | 07:34 |
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| kanzure | aw we lost HEx1 | 08:01 |
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| delinquentme | raspberry pi developer says that theres a decline in kids programming? | 08:28 |
| diginet | I would say yes and no | 08:50 |
| diginet | in pure absolute numbers, I'm sure there is an increase, as more and more people have computers | 08:50 |
| diginet | but in terms of percentage of computer users, then it's probably decreasing | 08:51 |
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| _F7_ | Hey y'all | 09:55 |
| _F7_ | Jacob just invited me to meet with the FBI for lunch on Monday | 09:56 |
| _F7_ | at Brasil, on 2604 Dunlavy | 09:56 |
| archels | The KurzweilAI newsletter seems to be running out of steam. | 09:56 |
| _F7_ | From what I understand it's just to get to know the houston WMD bio liason | 09:59 |
| ParahSailin | is the fbi paying? | 10:00 |
| ParahSailin | if so i would eat with them | 10:00 |
| _F7_ | haha, cool | 10:00 |
| _F7_ | What to expect? | 10:00 |
| _F7_ | I think the FBIs interest in diybio is interesting | 10:01 |
| _F7_ | they've paid to cart a lot of my friends around | 10:01 |
| _F7_ | Also there's an offer to send me to SF from june 12-16 | 10:03 |
| _F7_ | y'all get these I imagine? | 10:03 |
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| delinquentme | _F7_, they want to send you to SF? | 10:26 |
| _F7_ | Yeah, I think they want everyone in SF | 10:27 |
| _F7_ | I've declined the last few times but I feel like it'll be a big DIYbio party | 10:27 |
| _F7_ | so I might go this time | 10:28 |
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| delinquentme | interesting | 10:29 |
| delinquentme | nah cant say i've been contacted :D | 10:29 |
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| _F7_ | Maybe jacob is a factor | 10:29 |
| _F7_ | I mean I'd never call him extroverted but the guy connects to things awfully fast | 10:30 |
| delinquentme | connecting to things? | 10:30 |
| kanzure | archels: stop reading kurzweilai :P | 10:31 |
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| kanzure | _F7_: i've met with the fbi often re: diybio, so if you need some pointers let me know | 10:31 |
| kanzure | _F7_: but yes, we're inviting everyone out to the diybio/fbi event this year | 10:31 |
| _F7_ | What's their interest. | 10:31 |
| kanzure | we're also getting cathal | 10:31 |
| kanzure | so we'll finally meet that guy | 10:31 |
| kanzure | also, joseph jackson/biocurious is doing a hackathon the day after the event | 10:32 |
| _F7_ | I mean they're spending money so I doubt they just want to play patty-cake with me | 10:32 |
| kanzure | usually they want to just connect and talk about what's going on | 10:32 |
| _F7_ | okay | 10:32 |
| kanzure | also, there might be some recent thing in the news that they want to see if you know about | 10:32 |
| kanzure | hint: look up your agent's name in the recent news | 10:33 |
| kanzure | "Houston FBI Special Agent Jack Jupin remembers his former partner during a memorial service for FBI Special" | 10:33 |
| kanzure | well anyway; that's not particularly relevant to diybio | 10:33 |
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| kanzure | _F7_: i am sorta too busy to type, but if you wanna call and talk about it for a few min i'm 512-203-0507 | 10:34 |
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| _F7_ | Okay, I might do that. | 10:35 |
| kanzure | kk if so please do it either now or later tonight | 10:35 |
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| kanzure | _F7_: also here's notes from the fbi/diybio 2011 meeting http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/fbi-diybio-2011/2011-07-13.txt | 10:39 |
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| _F7_ | I tried, it bounced though | 10:48 |
| _F7_ | I have a different number now, so ya know | 10:48 |
| kanzure | hmm | 10:49 |
| kanzure | try again? | 10:49 |
| kanzure | didn't get anything | 10:51 |
| _F7_ | I'll try again in five minutes, I have to finish a thing real quick | 10:52 |
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| kanzure | fenn: so what's the say on implicitcad? | 11:00 |
| _F7_ | @kanzure I think your phone needs some ministrations | 11:07 |
| kanzure | _F7_: pm me your number | 11:13 |
| _F7_ | k | 11:13 |
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| kanzure | hi juul | 11:22 |
| juul | hi kanzure | 11:23 |
| juul | looks like i'm doing some AFP in human cells | 11:23 |
| juul | thanks for the suggestion | 11:23 |
| kanzure | AFP? | 11:24 |
| juul | trying to find a system for upregulating expression when the temperature drops. | 11:24 |
| juul | anti-freeze protein | 11:24 |
| juul | i'm not sure we'll have time to do both the sensor and the AFP expression | 11:25 |
| juul | but the idea is to see if we can put an "emergency anti-freeze" system into hela cells | 11:25 |
| kanzure | juul: you going to the diybio/fbi thing? | 11:28 |
| kanzure | they were going to fly in some people from biologigaragen but didn't seem to have your name listed | 11:28 |
| juul | yeah. the fbi seems to be ignoring me | 11:29 |
| kanzure | interesante | 11:29 |
| kanzure | you should email me & joseph.jackson@gmail.com and say you're from biologigaragen, in the bay area | 11:29 |
| kanzure | joseph has been helping the fbi out with arranging travel details for everyone | 11:29 |
| kanzure | a lot of international folks are being flown in | 11:30 |
| juul | yeah, not that they don't reply to my emails (i haven't sent any) but i put my name on a list to receive info about this, both this year and last, and did not receive emails. could just be a glitch | 11:30 |
| juul | yeah, i probably should RSVP | 11:31 |
| _F7_ | oh, juul | 11:31 |
| _F7_ | at what temperature threshold? | 11:32 |
| _F7_ | juul: RNA thermometers | 11:33 |
| juul | it's just a proof of concept, but it'd be preferable to begin producing AFP as soon as the temperature drops say a couple of degrees, such that the cells are still functioning efficiently enough to produce a lot of AFPs | 11:33 |
| juul | _F7_, thanks! | 11:33 |
| kanzure | juul: i'd make sure to clarify in the email that you are in the bay area, but "from the copenhagen group" | 11:34 |
| kanzure | *you are already in the bay area | 11:34 |
| juul | yeah, don't need a ticket | 11:34 |
| kanzure | which means their costs are basically $0 zilcho | 11:34 |
| juul | ok confirmed, I'll be at the workshop | 11:57 |
| juul | kanzure, will you be there? | 11:57 |
| kanzure | yes | 11:57 |
| juul | great :) | 11:58 |
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| fenn | kanzure: implicitcad works as intended, but it needs a lot of work to be usable. the constant size sampling grid for example makes things slow at larger absolute dimensions | 12:04 |
| fenn | rendering time scales ~ as the cube of the dimension | 12:04 |
| kanzure | "size sampling grid" what? | 12:05 |
| fenn | a simple script to watch the source file for changes and re-render it at increasing resolution would be nice | 12:05 |
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| kanzure | does implicitcad force you to use its own rendering thing | 12:05 |
| fenn | it just makes stl files | 12:06 |
| kanzure | is there any actual cad output | 12:06 |
| fenn | or svg files, if it's 2d | 12:06 |
| kanzure | svg is way better than stl :/ | 12:06 |
| fenn | anyway it needs a lot of work | 12:06 |
| kanzure | is this just csg or can you address the patchwork of surfaces | 12:07 |
| fenn | it's csg | 12:08 |
| fenn | there's no patchwork | 12:08 |
| kanzure | ok. so if you want to draw on a surface created by your cube, nope? | 12:08 |
| fenn | um. i'm not sure if that's possible or not | 12:09 |
| fenn | but currently i don't think the program is able to do that | 12:09 |
| kanzure | raw csg is nice but you can do that with anything, even blender | 12:09 |
| fenn | it would be easy enough to intersect a plane with a solid to make an outline | 12:09 |
| fenn | right, it's really slow for just csg, you might as well use opencsg for that | 12:10 |
| fenn | but implicit geometry allows for a lot more than primitives like cubes, spheres, etc | 12:10 |
| fenn | for example you can easily make shells | 12:11 |
| fenn | or arbitrary functions | 12:11 |
| fenn | just need to wrap your head around it http://christopherolah.wordpress.com/2011/11/06/manipulation-of-implicit-functions-with-an-eye-on-cad/ | 12:12 |
| fenn | really i think what a cad system needs is lots of special purpose macros, like washer(ID=2, OD=4, T=1) | 12:13 |
| fenn | or thread('M6', 10) | 12:14 |
| fenn | i think some of this is implemented in openscad modules but i personally dont know how to use it | 12:14 |
| kanzure | while you're here.. please look at openscad, cadmium, pyopenscad, openscad.py, openjscad, csg.js, and shapesmith's erlang stuff | 12:16 |
| fenn | here's the openscad macro library https://github.com/elmom/MCAD | 12:17 |
| fenn | i need to figure out the stupid opengl 2.0 problem with openscad | 12:18 |
| fenn | otherwise it takes for fucking ever to render | 12:18 |
| kanzure | yeah i wonder why elmom doesn't hang out with us in here anymore :( | 12:18 |
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| fenn | not really sure what the problem is with openscad in the first place, as opencsg seems to work fine: http://fennetic.net/irc/opencsgexample.png | 12:24 |
| fenn | like, why does it need opengl 2.0? | 12:24 |
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| fenn | `LIBGL_ALWAYS_SOFTWARE=1 ./openscad` at least renders the part quickly, unfortunately it's then bog-slow to move it around | 12:39 |
| ENKI-][ | clearly we need a LIBGL_ALWAYS_WETWARE flag | 12:40 |
| ENKI-][ | it will make use of the placebo effect | 12:40 |
| fenn | sure, just run NOP until the computer finishes | 12:41 |
| ENKI-][ | it will be even faster than hardware rendering! | 12:41 |
| kanzure | fenn: it uses opencsg to do the actual csg | 12:42 |
| ENKI-][ | though i figure if we can take advantage of the stuff used for image processing directly without actually using the eye we probably wouldn't have to spend nearly so much time dealing with triangles. | 12:42 |
| ENKI-][ | wireframe mode would involve ingesting mescaline | 12:43 |
| fenn | i think it's calculating the csg surface every time the view updates (whenever you move anything, open menus, etc) | 12:43 |
| fenn | when using CGAL it doesn't do that, perhaps a simple patch is in order | 12:43 |
| kanzure | fenn: a few of the openscad coders sit in #reprap | 12:44 |
| Mokbortolan_ | every time I read about a new development in terahertz imaging, I think about this: http://www.technologyreview.com/blog/arxiv/24331/ | 12:49 |
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| juul | Mokbortolan_, interestin link. thanks! | 12:58 |
| Mokbortolan_ | make sure you read the comments though | 12:59 |
| Mokbortolan_ | some strong criticisms of the claim in the article | 12:59 |
| juul | ok | 12:59 |
| juul | weird, the comments don't show in firefox | 13:04 |
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| juul | (they do in chrome) | 13:04 |
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| nmz787 | To | 13:25 |
| nmz787 | Yo | 13:25 |
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| nmz787 | So a buddy says it'll be hard to get close to diffraction limited, potentially involving a spatial filter and optics in a vacuum because at the filter(a pinhole at focus) the laser will start cooking air | 13:28 |
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| fenn | "Grbl - the high performance, no compromise CNC controller that runs on a vanilla Arduino" | 13:31 |
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| fenn | oh pff they're dropping support for atmega168, what's the point then | 13:32 |
| fenn | nmz787: can't you flood with argon instead of vacuum? | 13:34 |
| fenn | not sure exactly what 'cooking air' means | 13:35 |
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| _F7_ | It's probably really bad optically | 13:36 |
| nmz787 | nah literally mean burning air... He says without thousands in optics co2 will be near impossible to get better than the ULS HDPFO setup which gets 38 Micron spot... Says we should just try blue laser since its 20 times lower diffraction limit | 13:38 |
| nmz787 | This guy worked at laser lab here in Rochester, but did more diagnostics | 13:39 |
| fenn | what about NIR | 13:40 |
| nmz787 | Told me to talk to another buddy who also worked at laser lab bit who did more optics | 13:40 |
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| nmz787 | Pdms has an absobance peak at 830nm there are jdsu fiber coupled diode lasers...2w for about $200 | 13:41 |
| nmz787 | I have a 1st | 13:41 |
| nmz787 | 1 w version | 13:41 |
| nmz787 | Could mail it to you, got it from ebay | 13:42 |
| nmz787 | Ttyl8r, Sig ing off | 13:42 |
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| kanzure | "thousands in optics" is ok. lasers have to be treated well. | 13:42 |
| fenn | seems more finicky | 13:42 |
| kanzure | OTOH igniting oxygen with a laser sounds bad | 13:43 |
| kanzure | if this oracle v. google api copyright thing goes in oracle's favor, | 13:52 |
| kanzure | i'm totally going to copyright an api that happens to match parasolid's kernel | 13:52 |
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| fenn | the whole idea of clean room implementations is ridiculous | 14:01 |
| fenn | "no i swear i didn't know anything about java before i wrote this JVM" uh huh sure | 14:01 |
| fenn | also, the fact that you know more should be used against you | 14:02 |
| _F7_ | igniting atmosphere can't be too bad | 14:02 |
| _F7_ | I mean, what's to get? NO, NO2, O3? | 14:03 |
| _F7_ | All of those reactions are endothermic. | 14:03 |
| _F7_ | or at least not exothermic | 14:03 |
| fenn | "what technical alternatives exist to Java for Android and Chrome. We've been over a bunch of these, and think they all suck. We conclude that we need to negotiate a license for Java under the terms we need." :( | 14:03 |
| _F7_ | so it's not like you'll cause an extinction by dicking around with diode lasers | 14:03 |
| kanzure | fenn: i think that was before they wrote their own jvm | 14:04 |
| fenn | _F7_ haven't you read "cat's cradle"! we're tickling the dragon's tail here man | 14:04 |
| fenn | that was written in 2012 | 14:05 |
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| kanzure | fenn: uh? i doubt it | 14:05 |
| _F7_ | I'm sorry I couldn't hear you over the sound of ice IX cracking the oceans | 14:05 |
| kanzure | fenn: looks like a 2010 email, but that's also retarded | 14:06 |
| kanzure | dalvik was already pretty good | 14:06 |
| fenn | i dont get why they "need" java or MSFT C# | 14:07 |
| kanzure | also it looks like oracle filed the lawsuit aug 2010, so "negotiate a license" was probably in reference to the lawsuit | 14:07 |
| fenn | right | 14:08 |
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| fenn | oh jeez, opencsg doesn't generate meshes at all? | 14:11 |
| fenn | what's the point i ask, what's the point | 14:11 |
| kanzure | "Image-based CSG rendering (also z-buffer CSG rendering) is a term that denotes algorithms for rendering CSG shapes without an explicit calculation of the geometric boundary of a CSG shape. " | 14:11 |
| kanzure | it's just for rendering on a display | 14:11 |
| kanzure | btw, please be editing cadfaq on diyhpluswiki | 14:12 |
| kanzure | with your findings | 14:12 |
| fenn | we can already render triangles pretty quickly | 14:12 |
| kanzure | you're free to delete most of the content on that page, but we should be writing these things down | 14:12 |
| fenn | what's important is calculating those triangles, not excruciatingly rendering each pixel of the display | 14:12 |
| kanzure | no cnc machine cares about triangles | 14:12 |
| kanzure | i also don't care about triangles | 14:12 |
| fenn | image based CSG won't help you make toolpaths either | 14:13 |
| juul | kanzure, you should make a t-shirt with that text | 14:13 |
| kanzure | juul: my upcoming t-shirt is "Licensed to carry a concealed petri dish" | 14:13 |
| juul | hah | 14:13 |
| juul | you're not though! | 14:14 |
| juul | or? | 14:14 |
| juul | is it a reference to something i don't know about? | 14:14 |
| kanzure | yes in the united states some states have "concealed hand-gun laws" where you can get a license to carry a firearm in public | 14:15 |
| jrayhawk | Uh, most areas you can carry a firearm in public regardless | 14:16 |
| jrayhawk | the CHL is so you can carry a *concealed* firearm in public. | 14:16 |
| kanzure | ah yes, our horse/gun/perl expert | 14:16 |
| kanzure | horse/gun/porsche/perl expert | 14:17 |
| jrayhawk | this is the kind of typecasting I can get behind. except the horses. | 14:17 |
| juul | ok | 14:17 |
| fenn | unsigned long expert jrayhawk | 14:18 |
| fenn | it's way to easy to eat too many dried bananas | 14:19 |
| jrayhawk | I have fewer satiety problems with plantains. | 14:19 |
| jrayhawk | http://www.amazon.com/Inka-Crops-Roasted-Plantains-4-Ounce/dp/B000FK8HJQ I am particularly fond of these | 14:20 |
| jrayhawk | they're fried in palm oil instead of some shitty seed oil, so they're merely *mostly* soaked in reactive oxygen species rather than *entirely*. | 14:21 |
| fenn | i dried my own, no oil | 14:21 |
| jrayhawk | I should get a dehydrator. They seem like fun. | 14:21 |
| jrayhawk | Especially for kale. | 14:22 |
| kanzure | fenn: maybe your time would be better spent just writing an api for what should exist, and then checking to see if anything matches that | 14:22 |
| kanzure | instead of checking each thing and becoming more sad | 14:22 |
| fenn | freecad should do everything i want, it just doesn't | 14:22 |
| kanzure | ... | 14:22 |
| fenn | it crashes instead :( | 14:22 |
| kanzure | let's not use opencascade | 14:23 |
| fenn | i dont get how everyone is merrily using freecad, does it not crash for them constantly? | 14:23 |
| kanzure | i think most people aren't doing anything complicated | 14:25 |
| kanzure | just one or two holes and that's it | 14:25 |
| kanzure | john griessen was getting tons of crashes with heekscad and freecad when he was trying to use them regularly | 14:25 |
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| fenn | especially bad is the crash-on-save behavior | 14:29 |
| kanzure | http://www.cgal.org/Manual/latest/doc_html/cgal_manual/packages.html#Part:Kernels | 14:32 |
| kanzure | esolid (see lolcad.git) was going ok but there's no known license and, i never finished my python implementation | 14:33 |
| kanzure | also.. cgal-python bindings http://cgal-python.gforge.inria.fr/ | 14:34 |
| kanzure | seems to be polyhedral crap only | 14:34 |
| fenn | cgal also has confusing license issues | 14:34 |
| kanzure | it looks like it's just "gpl if you're gpl" | 14:34 |
| fenn | ah okay that must have changed | 14:35 |
| fenn | "Originally, its licensing terms allowed its software to be used freely for academic purposes, with commercial licenses available for other uses. It planned to change the license to GPL version 3 in 2012" | 14:36 |
| kanzure | huh. | 14:37 |
| kanzure | also: http://cadinsider.typepad.com/my_weblog/2012/02/solidworks-the-kernel-change.html | 14:37 |
| fenn | who the hell fires their CTO to make an ill-advised technical change? | 14:39 |
| kanzure | ooh that's right ACIS documentation is on a wiki now | 14:46 |
| kanzure | http://doc.spatial.com/index.php/Tutorial:ACIS_Tutorials | 14:46 |
| kanzure | http://doc.spatial.com/index.php/Tutorial:ACIS_Tutorials_(Geometry) | 14:46 |
| kanzure | http://doc.spatial.com/index.php/Parameter_Space_Curve | 14:46 |
| kanzure | classes.. http://doc.spatial.com/qref/ACIS/html/classes.html | 14:48 |
| kanzure | https://help.riseup.net/en/seizure-2012-april "On Wednesday, April 18, at approximately 16:00 Eastern Time, U.S. Federal authorities removed a server from a colocation facility shared by Riseup Networks and May First/People Link in New York City." | 14:54 |
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| kanzure | "among many other things, provided an anonymous remailer service, Mixmaster, that was the target of an FBI investigation into the bomb threats against the University of Pittsburgh." | 14:54 |
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| Mokbortolan_ | was that the one where the nursing student got arrested? | 15:13 |
| yashgaroth | it's the only currently going on, don't think they've caught anyone yet | 15:14 |
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| superkuh | So, do the videos on this page about a cnc kit load for anyone else? I saw the link here yesterday but the youtube stuff is "Private". http://micro.lumenlab.com/micro | 15:43 |
| fenn | the video is "private" for me too. also the cnc is not a very good design | 15:45 |
| kanzure | fenn: elaborate on why it's bad | 15:46 |
| fenn | the dangly loose support rods | 15:47 |
| fenn | something like this is much stiffer http://joescnc.com/themachines-06.php | 15:47 |
| fenn | see how the bed directly supports the rods | 15:47 |
| kanzure | fenn: on a related note, do you have some favorite cnc routers for full sheets of plywood | 15:48 |
| kanzure | mom thinks it's a >$50k project but i think a fold-up bed probably exists somewhere | 15:48 |
| fenn | whatever les was working from, i forget the name | 15:49 |
| fenn | the thing that became shopbot | 15:49 |
| kanzure | that thing was huge | 15:49 |
| kanzure | and definitely didn't fold | 15:50 |
| fenn | cad update: current version of openscad is much faster | 15:50 |
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| fenn | it also wants new versions of all its libraries :( | 15:50 |
| juul | kanzure, there is an in-progress build at Metrix Create:Space in Seattle. I don't remember which design they are using. | 15:50 |
| fenn | i've never seen any fold-up cnc routers | 15:50 |
| fenn | it makes sense to me to put it on a wall | 15:51 |
| kanzure | cut from the wall? or store it on the wall | 15:51 |
| _F7_ | There's a hacked-together CNC that would've been able to take a full sheet if the scrapyard gods had been nicer | 15:51 |
| _F7_ | at TX/RX | 15:51 |
| kanzure | my mom's shop space is really constrained at the momet | 15:52 |
| kanzure | *moment | 15:52 |
| kanzure | so a full bed is impractical (although i don't know how they cut full sheets at the moment anyway) | 15:52 |
| fenn | a full sheet is overkill anyway | 15:52 |
| _F7_ | It's got a clever design using sealed worm drives strung together with belts for a Z-axis, and a pretty standard ball screw setup for the x-y | 15:53 |
| fenn | first you have to have infrastructure to handle full sheets, that means a forklift and a sheet rack | 15:53 |
| kanzure | fenn: nope.. she says full sheets | 15:53 |
| kanzure | yeah she doesn't have a forklift | 15:53 |
| _F7_ | It only does 3'x6' because we're derps | 15:53 |
| fenn | 2'x4' is good for most things i can see doing | 15:53 |
| _F7_ | I have a double digit weight and I can still manipulate a full sheet of plywood. | 15:54 |
| _F7_ | don't need a forklift for that | 15:54 |
| juul | if you have a forklift already you already have three-axis control, all you need is a G-code to forklift-controls converter :P | 15:55 |
| juul | (ok that would probably make for the least accurate cnc ever) | 15:56 |
| _F7_ | If you're going at it that way then you might as well say that a hexapod with a router head would make a great five axis for any material size | 15:57 |
| kanzure | so sometimes there are 54in cabinets | 15:57 |
| kanzure | or 8 feet cabinets | 15:58 |
| kanzure | so she says the bed has to support that | 15:58 |
| _F7_ | I am however intrigued at the idea of a forklift being used as a mobile CNC jackhammer | 15:59 |
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| _F7_ | 8 feet is 96 inches | 15:59 |
| _F7_ | 54 inches is 4'6" | 16:00 |
| kanzure | yes there are also cases where they use 96 inches | 16:00 |
| fenn | a hexapod _is_ a great five axis for any material size: http://www.flickr.com/photos/usnistgov/5884929289/ | 16:00 |
| kanzure | fenn: doesn't have the floorspace for that | 16:01 |
| fenn | i bet she has a spare ceiling | 16:02 |
| fenn | hah | 16:02 |
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| _F7_ | fenn: http://www.hexapodrobot.com/forum/images/myimages/mms_hex_cnc_hdf_face_2.jpg | 16:04 |
| _F7_ | I wasn't meaning a delta robot | 16:04 |
| kanzure | hmm she didn't sound happy about that | 16:04 |
| juul | kanzure, have you looked at the cheap chinese XYZ Machiner stuff? | 16:04 |
| juul | Ace Monster Toys bought this laser cutter for $3000 + some significant amount for shipping | 16:05 |
| juul | http://factory.dhgate.com/laser-equipment-parts/co2-laser-cutting-machine-new-exlas-1280-p44538879.html | 16:05 |
| juul | This one might be what you need http://www.xyz-tech.com/product.asp?id=4 | 16:06 |
| juul | but I can't find the price for that one | 16:06 |
| juul | ok floorspace is a problem | 16:07 |
| juul | i see | 16:07 |
| _F7_ | fenn: the thread dates from '08, never saw any further development on the concept. I like it as a replicator concept though.. http://www.hexapodrobot.com/forum/images/myimages/mms_hex_cnc_poly_parts_1.jpg | 16:08 |
| juul | you could probably modify one of these things to be vertically mounted though | 16:08 |
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| fenn | _F7_: yeah it's probably as much of a replicator as reprap ever was | 16:10 |
| fenn | /home/fenn/.wine/drive_c/Program Files/Common Files/eDrawings2011/EModelViewer.exe | 16:10 |
| fenn | blargh | 16:10 |
| fenn | did i mention i hate proprietary cad | 16:10 |
| _F7_ | It's sexy if you can get it milling out PCB and spider-legging a little coil winder to make servos | 16:10 |
| kanzure | _F7_: have you seen fenn's stewart/hex platform stuff | 16:11 |
| fenn | anyone with windows wanna try to convert this to some sensible format for me? http://www.cnczone.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=14529&d=1139283943 | 16:11 |
| _F7_ | but at this point I can't see anything to it besides novelty of a thing that walks | 16:11 |
| kanzure | _F7_: dis one http://fennetic.net/bfi/hextatic.jpg | 16:11 |
| _F7_ | Yeah, I've seen it, kanzure | 16:11 |
| _F7_ | I crawled fenn's website forever ago | 16:12 |
| fenn | oh i didn't realize who i was talking to | 16:12 |
| _F7_ | .. they're slow as all hell, but I've got a bunch of gate openers at the hackerspace | 16:12 |
| fenn | in oakland? | 16:13 |
| _F7_ | about three feet of extension, big worm drives, and enough push-pull that I've used them in place of a ram before | 16:14 |
| _F7_ | I have like four, three matched | 16:14 |
| _F7_ | I'm just not sure if it's worthwhile to integrate them into a delta bot | 16:15 |
| fenn | stewart platforms are very sensitive to backlash | 16:15 |
| _F7_ | they might do better as an inverted delta, maybe? stiffly holding and altering the angle of a workpeice for another CNC? | 16:16 |
| fenn | yeah there was a bridgeport table attachment like that | 16:16 |
| _F7_ | worm gears are pretty good at staying in place. That's why they make good electric winches | 16:16 |
| fenn | http://www.mmsonline.com/articles/this-hexapod-you-can-work-with | 16:17 |
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| _F7_ | huh, I wondered why the bot on your site had six linears | 16:21 |
| fenn | it's not a deltabot is why | 16:21 |
| _F7_ | I'm just used to the shape for the clever little lightweight deltas. I figured it was for getting extra tilt control, but really it's some kind of active parallelogram thing | 16:22 |
| _F7_ | That's cool | 16:22 |
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| _F7_ | er, rather, balancing on the compression/extension | 16:23 |
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| fenn | it's stiffer than a deltabot because there's no bending of any beams anywhere in the structure (tension/compression displacement is proportional to force, bending is porportional to force cubed) | 16:36 |
| fenn | or maybe length cubed, i forget | 16:36 |
| nmz787 | kanzure: fenn: i called the guy who knows more about laser optics, left a message... if I don't hear from him in the next few days i'll just pay him a visit | 16:37 |
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| diginet | does anyone here know anything about chemical ligation? | 16:53 |
| fenn | i found the above plans on rapidshare (they're supposedly open source, so why so hard to find?) http://fennetic.net/irc/Joes%20CNC%20Model%202006%20R-2.zip | 16:53 |
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| diginet | because I was thinking: since spider silk is such a repetitive protein: would it not be unreasonable to synthesize oligopeptides, and then join them together? | 16:55 |
| yashgaroth | no | 16:56 |
| diginet | no, it wouldn | 16:57 |
| diginet | 't be unreasonable, or no it wouldn't work? | 16:57 |
| yashgaroth | no it would not be not unreasonable | 16:58 |
| Mariu | :) | 16:58 |
| diginet | there's one motif that's about 20 residues long that repeats about 100 times, and then two 50 residue long sequences at the c and n terminals | 16:58 |
| diginet | err | 16:59 |
| diginet | 10 times | 16:59 |
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| yashgaroth | a condensation reaction between free carboxyl and amino functional groups on the backbone will also cross-react with any said groups on the side chains | 17:01 |
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| nmz787 | fenn kanzure: there are a decent amount of 830nm optics on ebay | 17:21 |
| nmz787 | fenn kanzure: this is the same guy i got my 1W 830nm laser from | 17:22 |
| nmz787 | http://www.ebay.com/itm/1-Watt-Fiber-Coupled-IR-Laser-Diode-Burns-made-SDL-/390062848432?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5ad18eb9b0#ht_1350wt_1037 | 17:22 |
| nmz787 | new I think they are about $200-300, and JDSU makes 2W versions | 17:22 |
| nmz787 | http://www.jdsu.com/en-us/Lasers/Products/A-Z-Product-List/Pages/2486-l4.aspx | 17:22 |
| nmz787 | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/PDMS_spectral_response.png | 17:25 |
| nmz787 | looks like 540nm and 760nm are actually the peaks | 17:26 |
| nmz787 | not sure how much of a peak they are in terms of the mid IR (i.e. CO2) | 17:26 |
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| kanzure | nmz787: wait why would 1W cut? | 17:50 |
| kanzure | also, how'd you find http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/PDMS_spectral_response.png :P | 17:51 |
| nmz787 | i made that | 17:51 |
| nmz787 | well | 17:51 |
| nmz787 | i gimped it from a paper | 17:51 |
| nmz787 | you likely ripped it off a DIYbio post i made | 17:51 |
| nmz787 | pirAte | 17:51 |
| kanzure | probably | 17:51 |
| kanzure | :) | 17:51 |
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| nmz787 | whats the git repo address | 17:51 |
| kanzure | it just means i actually read your emails | 17:51 |
| kanzure | view: http://diyhpl.us/wiki | 17:52 |
| nmz787 | i'm gonna try to use tortoiseGit for windows | 17:52 |
| kanzure | history: http://diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki | 17:52 |
| nmz787 | add some spam... i mean useful links | 17:52 |
| kanzure | nmz787@diyhpl.us:/srv/git/diyhpluswiki.git if you remember your username/password | 17:52 |
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| kanzure | if you don't remember your password or if we don't have that setup.. then try git://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki.git | 17:52 |
| kanzure | also, you could just use git in ubuntu? sudo apt-get install git-core | 17:52 |
| nmz787 | i know it | 17:53 |
| nmz787 | i could... actually the only version control i like is via tortoiseSVN | 17:53 |
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| kanzure | any particular reasons? | 17:53 |
| nmz787 | should i clone the whole repo | 17:54 |
| nmz787 | ? | 17:54 |
| nmz787 | umm, i always forget the command line syntax | 17:54 |
| nmz787 | :/ | 17:54 |
| katsmeow-afk | wget -r -p -w10 http://url/path/ (maybe -np too ) | 17:55 |
| vrs | not -m? | 17:56 |
| nmz787 | katsmeow-afk: i remember wget commands! plus the man page is pretty simple | 17:56 |
| nmz787 | kanzure: (or anyone) anyway you know how to turn off a phone's "user agent" i.e. what model it identifies to the network? | 17:57 |
| * katsmeow-afk goes back under the furniture | 17:57 | |
| nmz787 | nandroid restoring to cyanogenmod from stock now | 17:57 |
| nmz787 | but i know it identifies to the network as an evo somehow... because how else would it know to give me evo updates, etc... | 17:58 |
| kanzure | you'll probably have to use fireox or something | 17:59 |
| kanzure | to get a user-agent-switcher | 17:59 |
| kanzure | what the hell | 17:59 |
| kanzure | katsmeow-afk: no | 17:59 |
| kanzure | nmz787: git clone nmz787@diyhpl.us:/srv/git/diyhpluswiki.git | 17:59 |
| nmz787 | nah, not in the browser though, to the cell network | 18:00 |
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| kanzure | "Judge Alsup: Can I say it in my own words and have you correct it? [ uses example of subroutine, generalizing to “any computer program””, “so the computer knows what routine to call”. ]" | 18:04 |
| kanzure | "Google: A method declaration is a statement that defines an API element name, return type, parameter type and order." | 18:05 |
| kanzure | "Judge Alsup: I don’t think it’s all that different (from my explanation), maybe yours [Google’s] is a bit better." | 18:05 |
| kanzure | welp that's doomed. | 18:05 |
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| kanzure | "Judge Alsup: I don’t know if at the end of testimony whether the Court will say that the SSO (Sequence, Structure, Organization) is protectable. It might go to the jury [ to make that decision ] Or, this decision could go up to the Court of Appeals. I don’t know." | 18:06 |
| kanzure | ah that's slightly better understanding | 18:06 |
| katsmeow-afk | haven't so many people not patented that and everyone used it anyhow, that google can't possibly lay claim to it? | 18:08 |
| katsmeow-afk | there's gotta be so much prior art that even google can't eat it | 18:08 |
| nmz787 | whats the issue? | 18:12 |
| kanzure | nmz787: oracle is claiming that method definitions are under copyright, and they are angry that google built their own jvm | 18:17 |
| kanzure | s/method definitions/method names and arguments and return types/ | 18:17 |
| kanzure | haha "Oracle: [brings out a file cabinet]. This filing cabinet, is there any relation of it to an API?" | 18:19 |
| nmz787 | just in the context of java, dont all langs use them in general? | 18:19 |
| kanzure | "Edward Serevan: No way is that an API. It's a filing cabinet. You can put papers or file folders in it. "You could even put old shoes in it"." | 18:19 |
| kanzure | nmz787: yes, but oracle is claiming that specifically java's set of method names is not allowed to be copied | 18:20 |
| kanzure | ...or something. | 18:20 |
| nmz787 | ah | 18:20 |
| nmz787 | what about the open icedTea? | 18:21 |
| nmz787 | hrmm, my nandroid backup seem to have disappeared | 18:23 |
| nmz787 | thats OK, but very weird... i don't think i deleted them | 18:24 |
| nmz787 | or moved them | 18:24 |
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| kanzure | nmz787: did the git clone line work? | 18:26 |
| kanzure | "Google: Sun never asserted that Apache was violating Sun's copyright from the time period 2005 onward?" | 18:29 |
| kanzure | "Oracle: Back to the docs, TX2237, p17, on Java's success being dependent on Java remaining open and consistent." | 18:29 |
| kanzure | "Edward Serevan: It's important that Oracle protects its IP, otherwise people would take our software and not pay for it." | 18:29 |
| kanzure | haha | 18:29 |
| kanzure | that's amusing | 18:29 |
| nmz787 | kanzure: yep | 18:38 |
| kanzure | nmz787: ok feel free to bug us if you need git help | 18:40 |
| nmz787 | lol http://www.vibrant.com/cable-messes.php | 18:44 |
| delinquentme | hmmm | 18:45 |
| delinquentme | r/cableporn! | 18:45 |
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| delinquentme | i wanna be a kangaroo | 18:56 |
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| * katsmeow-afk waves a magik wand and delinquentme becomes a very large bipedal butch mouse | 19:00 | |
| delinquentme | rawr | 19:00 |
| delinquentme | kanzure, Gcode runs the reprap right ? Its effectively code to handle 3axis positioning right? | 19:08 |
| kanzure | err sorta.. gcode is one way to tell certain equipment where to move its effectors | 19:13 |
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| kanzure | immunepath is getting rid of equipment: http://sfbay.craigslist.org/pen/zip/2968246724.html | 19:20 |
| kanzure | "Office desks, 3 working fridges, chairs, 2 tall IKEA bookshelves" | 19:20 |
| kanzure | meh nothing interesting :( | 19:20 |
| nmz787 | kanzure: ever figure out the cost of that lab space | 19:20 |
| kanzure | that was via Mark Hamalainen <mark@immunepath.com> | 19:20 |
| nmz787 | it said $1.6 per g or something | 19:20 |
| kanzure | ah, no i didn't ask | 19:20 |
| kanzure | oh it's interesting that mark works at immunepath now | 19:21 |
| kanzure | i have him down as Mark Hamalainen <h@halcyonmolecular.com> | 19:21 |
| delinquentme | you're just needing cleanspace right? | 19:22 |
| delinquentme | HEPA filters positive air displacement and lots of plastic filk | 19:22 |
| kanzure | i just need a place to put nmz787 and his gf and a lab :P | 19:22 |
| delinquentme | film * | 19:22 |
| delinquentme | sounds like that could be anywhere no? | 19:22 |
| kanzure | nope.. multiple constraint optimization problem | 19:23 |
| kanzure | should be within distance to fenn, | 19:23 |
| kanzure | should be within distance to wherever nmz787 is working | 19:23 |
| kanzure | has to be within distance to wherever chandni | 19:24 |
| kanzure | *is working | 19:24 |
| nmz787 | :D | 19:29 |
| delinquentme | fml | 19:29 |
| delinquentme | hamburger making robots | 19:29 |
| delinquentme | thats a hard sell | 19:29 |
| joshcryer | On my to-do list. | 19:29 |
| joshcryer | Fast food without the employees. Would be awesome. | 19:29 |
| delinquentme | i mean its one of the startups funded by lemnos labs | 19:29 |
| * yashgaroth wants one of those sushi-making machines | 19:30 | |
| nmz787 | we need Newton to come in here and fix this multi-body problem | 19:30 |
| delinquentme | true but like its um.. ehh | 19:30 |
| delinquentme | true yashgaroth ! | 19:30 |
| delinquentme | we've got multi body problems? | 19:30 |
| delinquentme | carbon copies? | 19:30 |
| delinquentme | damn you guys HAVE been working | 19:30 |
| joshcryer | Wait someone is actually making a hamburger flipping robot? | 19:30 |
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| nmz787 | RIT has a hotdog robot | 19:40 |
| kanzure | that sounds terrible | 19:41 |
| nmz787 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXZEoC15j8A | 19:41 |
| nmz787 | how doesn't that video get taken down for copyright infringment??? | 19:43 |
| nmz787 | i put a 12 second clip of the simpsons on youtube last week and it got taken down | 19:43 |
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| kanzure | i wonder if alcor sometimes orders pizza under the name "i.c. weiner" | 19:47 |
| yashgaroth | did anyone ever end up making a band named "ted williams' frozen head"? | 19:47 |
| joshcryer | nmz787, they used the music that YouTube has for listings... YouTube has licensed it probably. | 19:49 |
| nmz787 | oh | 19:49 |
| joshcryer | That robot is so sad though, I mean, good work to get it working but it's still so much slower than a bunch of low pay wage earners. | 19:49 |
| nmz787 | ya | 19:50 |
| nmz787 | 2 mins or something per dog | 19:50 |
| nmz787 | the Imagine RIT festival is, aside from showcasing RIT research, a big advertisement and marketing campaign to attract students when they're young | 19:50 |
| delinquentme | http://www.momentummachines.com/ << hamburger maker | 19:56 |
| nmz787 | tools - Something that can't be built by a Ruby coder in | 19:57 |
| nmz787 | a hack weekend. | 19:57 |
| kanzure | nmz787: challenge accepted | 19:57 |
| delinquentme | ^ | 19:57 |
| nmz787 | oh, no, thats the def of hardware | 19:57 |
| nmz787 | not tools | 19:57 |
| diginet | so I submitted MaSp1 to Spark-X, 6 hours later, still not done | 19:57 |
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| nmz787 | from here http://www.lemnoslabs.com/ | 19:58 |
| nmz787 | delinquentme: where do you see anything about burgers there? | 19:58 |
| delinquentme | so kanzure the purchasing in labs ... who do you know whos done this | 19:58 |
| kanzure | "purchasing in labs" means what? chemical procurement? | 19:58 |
| delinquentme | http://www.lemnoslabs.com/companies.html | 19:59 |
| delinquentme | kanzure, the specifics of the process where they agree to purchase a machine | 19:59 |
| delinquentme | like signed contract style | 19:59 |
| kanzure | what brownies was talking about was a letter of intent | 19:59 |
| kanzure | brownies: right? | 19:59 |
| delinquentme | oh was that brownies saying that? | 19:59 |
| delinquentme | anyone work in biomed sales? | 20:00 |
| brownies | eh? | 20:00 |
| delinquentme | PS kanzure has alex dropped off the face of the earth? | 20:00 |
| kanzure | no alex kiselev has "pivoted" to something else | 20:00 |
| delinquentme | he got a solidworks sponsorship and an internship @ some company and hes now camping and guying expensive cameras | 20:00 |
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| delinquentme | guying = buying * | 20:00 |
| brownies | what do you mean, the specifics of the process | 20:01 |
| brownies | just call them. go hang out. talk about stuff. | 20:01 |
| delinquentme | so you'd think hed reply when asking about how to get free solid works licenses ... | 20:01 |
| delinquentme | brownies, I mean what happens when the paper work is signed | 20:01 |
| delinquentme | you're saying this is an individual agreement reached with each company as to their level of interest ? or is it | 20:01 |
| brownies | i would not go as far as signing fancy documents | 20:02 |
| brownies | something written down by someone on their end would suffice | 20:02 |
| brownies | "we have talked to this guy and we agree what he's doing is totally cool, and we want one in our lab to try out" | 20:02 |
| delinquentme | yes this is a typical thing and we're interested in checking out new industry robots so we've got line items / expenses for these specific types of purchases | 20:02 |
| kanzure | probably not.. you will have to ask them. it's not like they buy a machine every month | 20:02 |
| delinquentme | kanzure, theres a kid in SF who applied to SU with the LH idea | 20:03 |
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| delinquentme | his was a retrofitted reprap though | 20:03 |
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| nmz787 | kanzure: so a prof told me that the kind of convo we had last week happens a lot with harvard/mit types talking to non-cool school ppls | 20:05 |
| delinquentme | ^^^ | 20:06 |
| delinquentme | ? | 20:06 |
| kanzure | nmz787: i have no idea what you just said | 20:07 |
| delinquentme | thats so nuts | 20:07 |
| delinquentme | they're like smiling about making burger robots | 20:07 |
| delinquentme | like props to them! | 20:07 |
| nmz787 | kanzure: basically scientists that went to 'good' schools try to screw scientists that went to 'other' schools | 20:08 |
| nmz787 | he said you even have to be careful at conferences | 20:09 |
| yashgaroth | the one with syngen? gibson went to USC | 20:09 |
| kanzure | i doubt it's anything about elitism | 20:09 |
| nmz787 | gibson did b.s. in next town over from me :/ | 20:09 |
| yashgaroth | right so who were the harvard/mit types | 20:10 |
| kanzure | nobody | 20:11 |
| delinquentme | in what ways? idea snagging? | 20:11 |
| nmz787 | thats how i felt afterwards | 20:17 |
| nmz787 | which i hadnt even considered b4 talking | 20:17 |
| delinquentme | http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2012/04/magnifi-case-helps-you-record-scientific-wonders-with-your-iphone/ | 20:18 |
| fenn | god what a waste of a day | 20:29 |
| kanzure | banana cad? | 20:30 |
| fenn | i wish software came with p values | 20:30 |
| fenn | probability(works for a random user) | 20:30 |
| kanzure | it's because nobody writig all this cadcrap is actually writing cad | 20:31 |
| kanzure | they are all wrappers around terrible things | 20:31 |
| kanzure | a wrapper around brlcad would at least have a resemblance of sanity | 20:31 |
| fenn | not a bad idea at all | 20:32 |
| fenn | i dont even know what brlcad is caapable of, to be honest | 20:32 |
| kanzure | lots of csg :p | 20:32 |
| kanzure | check the mged manual | 20:32 |
| fenn | going to go lay down for a while | 20:33 |
| kanzure | http://brlcad.org/w/images/5/52/MGED_Quick_Reference_Card.pdf | 20:33 |
| kanzure | *writing | 20:34 |
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| delinquentme | wow | 20:46 |
| delinquentme | http://www.ebay.com/itm/10-lm8uu-bearings-Reprap-prusa-mendel-Upgrade-your-printer-US-Seller-/300698078301?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4603008c5d#ht_500wt_1413 | 20:46 |
| delinquentme | bought 1 of these from mcmaster for that same cost... | 20:47 |
| delinquentme | un bereevabru | 20:47 |
| delinquentme | If I was in the market: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Reprap-Prusa-Mendel-SAE-Metric-3D-Printer-ABS-Parts-Neon-Green-/110862176099?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item19cfe68f63#ht_500wt_1413 | 20:53 |
| delinquentme | SUPER hot. | 20:53 |
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| delinquentme | fenn, is your reprap sleeping? | 21:05 |
| nmz787 | ever hear of this? | 21:14 |
| nmz787 | http://www.cheswick.com/ches/projects/me/index.html | 21:14 |
| kanzure | nmz787: neat | 21:19 |
| ybit | delinquentme: i have those neon green parts | 21:55 |
| ybit | i'm about to send them back though | 21:55 |
| ybit | nothing wrong with them, i just want metric now | 21:56 |
| delinquentme | you dont like em? | 21:56 |
| delinquentme | ohhhh ic ic | 21:56 |
| nmz787 | metric ? | 21:56 |
| nmz787 | the tooth spacing on gears or what? | 21:56 |
| Mokbortolan_ | not really related to hplus, but I thought some might enjoy it, the predatory habits of common fungi: http://www.uoguelph.ca/~gbarron/MISC2003/feb03.htm | 22:01 |
| nmz787 | have you all heard of cordyceps? http://www.utexas.edu/courses/zoo384l/sirena/species/fungi/ | 22:03 |
| nmz787 | infects ants, which then climb as high as possible, go all rigomortis and a mushroom pops out to sporulate | 22:03 |
| nmz787 | thus allowing the fungus a lot better air current to distribute spores | 22:04 |
| Mokbortolan_ | yes, that's one species | 22:05 |
| Mokbortolan_ | the one used medicinally infects silkworms | 22:05 |
| Mokbortolan_ | though, what you buy in the store is just the mycelium | 22:06 |
| Mokbortolan_ | for some reason nobody's figured out how to mass-produced the fungal bodies themselves | 22:06 |
| Mokbortolan_ | -d | 22:06 |
| Mokbortolan_ | oh, n/m, south korean government has | 22:07 |
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| fenn | http://elabz.com/worlds-smallest-stepper-motor-with-arduino-and-easydriver/ | 22:19 |
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| Mariu | charlieschwabach msg if chan is +m and if it is needed to anounce that chan is only for +V or higher | 22:20 |
| fenn | there's your z axis | 22:21 |
| charlieschwabach | Mariu.. what? | 22:21 |
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| joshcryer | broken on-join? | 22:23 |
| nmz787 | pretty cool | 22:24 |
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| nmz787 | Mokbortolan_: you've heard of paul stamets? | 22:28 |
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| Mokbortolan_ | nmz787: of course! | 23:01 |
| Mokbortolan_ | clever fellow | 23:01 |
| Mokbortolan_ | bought a shiitake kit from him a long time ago | 23:01 |
| AdrianG | hi all | 23:07 |
| AdrianG | is certain isochroma known here | 23:07 |
| nmz787 | cool | 23:09 |
| nmz787 | AdrianG: ask kanzure... | 23:10 |
| yashgaroth | what about him adrian | 23:10 |
| AdrianG | yashgaroth: you know who that is? | 23:11 |
| AdrianG | is he still alive and posting? | 23:11 |
| yashgaroth | yeah that guy who had a religious experience on piracetam? dunno what happened to him | 23:11 |
| AdrianG | yeah. | 23:12 |
| AdrianG | his piracetam price page went down | 23:12 |
| AdrianG | that was kind of a big deal for him | 23:12 |
| AdrianG | maybe CIA finally got him lol | 23:12 |
| AdrianG | idk about religious. | 23:12 |
| AdrianG | he just was seriously addicted to it. | 23:12 |
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| yashgaroth | whatevs, shit was silly | 23:12 |
| AdrianG | idk | 23:12 |
| AdrianG | his experience was interesting. | 23:12 |
| AdrianG | he was lucky to have such good response. | 23:13 |
| thylaneb | http://io9.com/5903221/meet-xna-the-first-synthetic-dna-that-evolves-like-the-real-thing/ | 23:13 |
| AdrianG | we finally invented our successors. | 23:13 |
| Mokbortolan_ | well | 23:26 |
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| nmz787 | should't the D still be in there | 23:34 |
| nmz787 | XDNA | 23:34 |
| yashgaroth | as if nomenclature in biology is remotely rigorous | 23:35 |
| Mokbortolan_ | it doesn't sound as cool | 23:36 |
| Mokbortolan_ | oh wow, so, the chemistry of the ladder sets a sort of frequency | 23:37 |
| nmz787 | fenn kanzure: can we get this http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/jps.2600541102/abstract | 23:56 |
| nmz787 | Edward R. Garrett, 1965, Stability of oil-in-water emulsions, j. pharm sci 54:11 pg 1557 | 23:57 |
| nmz787 | theres this too: http://mro.massey.ac.nz/handle/10179/2747 | 23:57 |
| nmz787 | Formation and stability of oil-in-water emulsions : a thesis presented in partial fulfilment of the requirements for the degree of Doctor of Philosophy in Food Technology at Massey University Srinivasan, Magesh; Srinivasan, Magesh URI: http://hdl.handle.net/10179/2747 Date: 1998 | 23:57 |
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