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| @kanzure | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planetary_Resources is apparently doing a webcast soon | 06:43 |
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| @kanzure | beepity boop | 07:37 |
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| @kanzure | opencascade 6.5.3 is up.. http://git.dev.opencascade.org/gitweb/?p=occt.git | 08:10 |
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| @kanzure | what a weird thing to spot on forbes- http://www.forbes.com/sites/techonomy/2012/04/23/dont-call-it-crowdsourcing-quirky-ceo-ben-kaufman-brings-invention-to-the-masses/ | 08:27 |
| @kanzure | the article isn't particularly unique or novel, but | 08:27 |
| @kanzure | "If you talk to the MakerBot guys or any gung-ho, 3D printing motherfuckers, they’re going to tell you every kitchen in America will have a 3D printer and if people need a fork they’re going to print a fork." | 08:27 |
| @kanzure | anyway, i haven't heard them described as "3d printing motherfuckers" | 08:27 |
| @kanzure | especially by forbes? | 08:27 |
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| @kanzure | heh.. "Darth Vader and Son" http://www.guardianbookshop.co.uk/BerteShopWeb/viewProduct.do?ISBN=9781452106557 | 08:28 |
| @kanzure | "What if Darth Vader took an active role in raising his son? What if 'Luke, I am your father' was just a stern admonishment from an annoyed dad? In this hilarious and sweet comic reimagining, Vader is a dad like any other - except with all the baggage of being a Dark Lord of the Sith." | 08:28 |
| delinquentme | UI designers in here?? | 08:30 |
| delinquentme | http://mycolorscreen.com/popular/ | 08:30 |
| delinquentme | ^^ gorgeous | 08:30 |
| delinquentme | hio kanzure :D~~~~~~~~~ | 08:31 |
| AlonzoTG | . | 08:31 |
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| delinquentme | http://maximrevin.blogspot.com/2010/07/celistic-concept-art.html | 08:41 |
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| @kanzure | delinquentme: http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_xwJPkEhc58I/TDj4SoI-h3I/AAAAAAAAAEg/6iskGjOz-34/s640/%D0%BF%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%823+copy1+%D0%BD%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BC%D0%B0%D0%BB.jpg | 08:59 |
| @kanzure | that one doesn't make sense | 09:00 |
| @kanzure | why would you point giant flamethrowers at your city | 09:00 |
| nmz787 | maybe that planet is really cold | 09:01 |
| ThomasEgi | doesnt every government do this? | 09:01 |
| delinquentme | haha | 09:10 |
| delinquentme | current BG: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_xwJPkEhc58I/TDj3Ggp_dyI/AAAAAAAAACw/TfVs581k-kI/s1600/%D1%81%D1%85%D0%B2%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%BA%D0%B0+web.jpg | 09:10 |
| nmz787 | what are these imgs from? | 09:13 |
| nmz787 | look pretty cool | 09:13 |
| @kanzure | "It sounds totally insane, but I read somewhere that the backers just bought a bunch of platinum puts and then announced their plans to mine it from space..." | 09:16 |
| @kanzure | more details on those puts: http://venturebeat.com/2012/04/23/planetary-resources-asteroid-mining-2/ | 09:17 |
| @kanzure | "may have been joking when he made these plans to buy options" aw :( | 09:17 |
| @kanzure | "In fact, a lot of the exploration journeys of the 1800s were financed by advertisers and newspapers looking to sell newspapers." what? | 09:19 |
| nmz787 | wow | 09:20 |
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| ThomasEgi | sounds like modern advertizers would want to place advertisement on mars in order to sponsor some launches? | 09:41 |
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| diginet | am I the only one highly skeptical of the feasibility of this so-called asteroid mining company? | 10:44 |
| ThomasEgi | if you can get a silver asteroid. it sure pays off. | 10:46 |
| ThomasEgi | but.. generally, the idea is rather off-limits if you ask me | 10:47 |
| diginet | Eric Schmidt, Lary Page, James Cameron may be rich, but they are by no means scientists | 10:47 |
| Mokbortolan_ | off limits? | 10:47 |
| Mokbortolan_ | by what rules? | 10:47 |
| diginet | I think he means implausible | 10:47 |
| diginet | off-limits of practical ROI | 10:47 |
| ThomasEgi | Mokbortolan_, by sane thinking | 10:47 |
| Mokbortolan_ | define "sane" | 10:47 |
| Mokbortolan_ | because to me it's perfectly sane | 10:48 |
| Mokbortolan_ | so perhaps we differ on the meanings of some of the words we share | 10:48 |
| ThomasEgi | Mokbortolan_, reaching a goal with reasonable effort | 10:48 |
| Mokbortolan_ | oh | 10:49 |
| @kanzure | well, are you talking about *these* people, or the concept of asteroid mining in general | 10:49 |
| Mokbortolan_ | I think there are some approaches that might work | 10:49 |
| ThomasEgi | if the goal is to harvest some kind of material. i guess shooting a rocket into space to drop a rock back onto earth is a lot more effort than searching the same material on earth | 10:49 |
| Mokbortolan_ | ThomasEgi: assuming that's their goal | 10:49 |
| diginet | anything that involves "hunting space rocks" by definition is not sane, at least not at this day and age | 10:49 |
| @kanzure | no, mining on earth is very difficult | 10:49 |
| @kanzure | the legal contracts alone are a headache | 10:49 |
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| Mokbortolan_ | diginet: that's a subjective notion | 10:49 |
| @kanzure | then there's the practical issues- you can't just explode the earth | 10:50 |
| @kanzure | diginet: you don't have to hunt them.. they are tracked pretty well | 10:50 |
| Mokbortolan_ | I think that's a named fallacy | 10:50 |
| diginet | kanzure, sure, but you have to find ones which contain anything of value | 10:50 |
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| diginet | which is not trivial | 10:50 |
| @kanzure | ok. so now your argument is that taking core samples from asteriods is too annoying ? | 10:50 |
| ThomasEgi | i would agree, if their goal is to increase the size of their epenis, they sure do an excellent job | 10:50 |
| @kanzure | ThomasEgi: sounds like you're jealous? | 10:51 |
| ThomasEgi | kanzure, not a bit | 10:51 |
| diginet | My argument is that it's a struggle to get a man in LEO, how the hell are we going to pull an asteroid to Earth? | 10:51 |
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| Mokbortolan_ | I would think sending up little robots to nudge the asteroid into a lagrange point isn't impossible, or impractical | 10:51 |
| @kanzure | okay. so i brought up a reasonable argument for why mining on earth sucks. and your counter argument is Penis? | 10:51 |
| Mokbortolan_ | what makes you think we're going to be taking it onto the earth? | 10:51 |
| diginet | kanzure, no his point is that it is a massive PR move | 10:51 |
| @kanzure | who cares about PR | 10:51 |
| diginet | remember Bill Gate's satellite internet project? | 10:52 |
| diginet | yeah | 10:52 |
| diginet | neither do I | 10:52 |
| Mokbortolan_ | this might be one of those endeavors that generates its own market | 10:52 |
| @kanzure | ok, so anyway. your argument is that core samples are too hard to take? | 10:52 |
| diginet | *Gates' | 10:52 |
| @kanzure | and ThomasEgi's argument is penis? | 10:52 |
| ThomasEgi | kanzure, if i can carve my own underground city with materials i can get on ebay. how hard can it be for a multibillion dollar jointventure to dig up some rocks | 10:52 |
| @kanzure | thanks for the discussion guys. | 10:52 |
| diginet | no, you're twisting our words | 10:52 |
| diginet | there is /massive/ understatement of the difficulty here | 10:52 |
| @kanzure | ThomasEgi: when you have that much money, everyone wants a piece of you- all of the sudden, the people living above ground will clam ownership of your tunnels | 10:53 |
| @kanzure | claim | 10:53 |
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| Mokbortolan_ | which is why the only solution is to build the city on the ocean floor | 10:53 |
| diginet | not to mention, massive influxes of metals would cause their devaluation | 10:53 |
| Mokbortolan_ | and power it with volcanic vents | 10:53 |
| diginet | something which their press release does not acknowledge | 10:53 |
| @kanzure | nobody reads press releases | 10:53 |
| ThomasEgi | kanzure, my point is: i dont need money to find rocks on earth. so why woludnt they be able with money. and why would they prefer spacerocks if not for the lulz | 10:53 |
| Mokbortolan_ | except reporters prone to hyperbole | 10:54 |
| diginet | so, their own claims on the matter don't count? | 10:54 |
| diginet | bringing resources to Earth does not magically "boost the world GDP" | 10:54 |
| @kanzure | ThomasEgi: can you clarify.. do you believe that you can get the same returns for less money, and if so, can you explain | 10:54 |
| diginet | that's not how economics works | 10:54 |
| @kanzure | your argument was with asteroid mining, not their understanding of economics | 10:54 |
| diginet | they go hand in hand | 10:54 |
| diginet | their impetus is based on misunderstandings | 10:54 |
| ThomasEgi | kanzure, if their goal is to get recources, then they do a horrible job. | 10:55 |
| @kanzure | that's not what i asked :( | 10:55 |
| diginet | But by all means, continue fetishizing billionaires, maybe if you're lucky you'll get to be a janitor for one of them | 10:55 |
| @kanzure | damn | 10:55 |
| @kanzure | having a conversation with either of you is impossible | 10:55 |
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| @kanzure | ok now i feel better | 10:55 |
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| diginet | kanzure, in short: it is /possible/ but I find it awfully hard to believe it would provide any reasonable amount of ROI. People do not go into ventures like these unless they believe they're going to profit; they don't do it "for the lulz." What I am saying is that unless they discovered a wad of antimatter or something, with current technology it highly unlikely one could turn any sort of profit from asteroid mining | 10:57 |
| diginet | maybe I'm wrong, and the billionaire's club is doing it for fun, or science, or whatever. I think that would be awesome. I also think it's a pipe dream. | 10:59 |
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| kanzure | there are many ways to profit from asteroid mining, including reusable launch vehicles | 10:59 |
| diginet | perhaps | 11:01 |
| katsmeow-afk | what if the minerals on asteroids were purer, where aluminum wasn't bauxite, iron wasn't red rust, and so much metal was needed to colonise the moon or Mars that it was impossible to pay for it to be lifted off Earth? | 11:01 |
| diginet | well if we were at a point of colonizing either anytime soon, then we could talk | 11:01 |
| katsmeow-afk | i think we aren't because we can't, for lack of materials to build with | 11:02 |
| diginet | as I understand it, their looking for platinoids, which occur naturally pure | 11:02 |
| katsmeow-afk | needles inhaystacks then | 11:03 |
| diginet | I dunno, I'm just very wary of the sort of I hero worship I see on the internet, of people, especially those at Google. Demagoguery and megalomania never end well | 11:03 |
| * katsmeow-afk nods | 11:03 | |
| kanzure | i haven't seen that much hero worship in here, except from you bringing it up | 11:04 |
| kanzure | please stop? | 11:04 |
| diginet | Pretty sure I've never brought that up | 11:04 |
| kanzure | you've mentioned similar issues in the past | 11:04 |
| diginet | and pretty sure it's highly relevant to the topic at hand? | 11:04 |
| kanzure | why? if we get sufficiently enthusiastic about peter thiel, do you think he will somehow decide to fund you? | 11:04 |
| kanzure | come on man | 11:04 |
| diginet | There's nothing wrong with turning profits, but call a spade a spade. Why, instead of CEOs announcing how their going to increae efficiency, does it now have to be "changing the world?" | 11:05 |
| kanzure | are you just being angsty | 11:05 |
| diginet | I don't want him to fund me? And I don't even know who Peter Thiel is? | 11:05 |
| kanzure | he's a billionaire who you're complaining about- remember, this is the paypal mafia | 11:05 |
| diginet | No I'm saying people give these guys messiah complices | 11:06 |
| kanzure | okay.. and you don't want to participate in it? | 11:06 |
| diginet | there's nothing wrong with being rich, but acting like you're some sort of freaking savior is at best, disgenuous | 11:06 |
| diginet | how is discussing it "participating in it?" | 11:06 |
| kanzure | it's like if we were discussing christianity all the time in here | 11:07 |
| kanzure | that's not what we're about | 11:07 |
| kanzure | don't bring that fight in here :P | 11:07 |
| diginet | except christianity has nothing to do with anything, the rhetoric of those funding things that interest those of us here, is | 11:08 |
| kanzure | why would it be ? | 11:08 |
| kanzure | sorry, why would their rhetoric be of interest to us? | 11:08 |
| * katsmeow-afk is NOT having a problem understanding diginet atm | 11:08 | |
| diginet | because it speaks volumes as to the validity of their claims? | 11:08 |
| kanzure | validity of their claims that they have invested money? | 11:09 |
| diginet | no, the validity of their claims that their business plan is even vaguely feasible | 11:09 |
| kanzure | it wouldn't matter? they already have the money to go do it | 11:09 |
| diginet | if someone selling something were ourright lying, wouldn't you want to know? Sure, they're not selling anything for money, but they are selling an idea | 11:09 |
| diginet | so to speak | 11:09 |
| diginet | and a lot of people are buying into, blindly | 11:10 |
| kanzure | lots of people buy into lots of things... sigh | 11:10 |
| diginet | that disturbs me, and I hope, other people as well | 11:10 |
| diginet | so what is your point? should we just all masturbate to the thought of james cameron driving a space ship and grabbing an asteroid with a lasso? | 11:11 |
| kanzure | i've pretty much ignored his announcement because i can't reasonably act on it in any conceivable way | 11:11 |
| kanzure | masturbation doesn't sound like a good idea here either | 11:11 |
| kanzure | i suppose i could start an asteroid mining simulation company, who knows | 11:11 |
| diginet | because that's what it sounds like you're asking me to do: accept claims that vaguely align with the already nebulous agenda or transhumanism unquestioningly | 11:12 |
| kanzure | i'm not asking you to accept his claims | 11:12 |
| diginet | so what is your contention then? | 11:12 |
| diginet | I asked, "Is anyone else skeptical?" | 11:12 |
| diginet | is that not reasonable? | 11:12 |
| kanzure | that your notion of hero worship is bogus, and you shouldn't be yelling at me for worshipping them | 11:12 |
| diginet | I'm not yelling at you | 11:12 |
| kanzure | because i don't. and not many others in here do | 11:12 |
| diginet | I'm saying there is a general trend | 11:13 |
| kanzure | yes you are- you're ranting like crazy dude | 11:13 |
| diginet | I didn't even say here | 11:13 |
| kanzure | there's no trend like that in here at all | 11:13 |
| diginet | There is a trend, among those interested in such things | 11:13 |
| diginet | as always, there are exceptions | 11:13 |
| katsmeow-afk | i expect to see China land on the moon, send out small cheap robotic craft from there to spend the next 10-30 years to check out and ease potentially profitable asteroids to where they can more easily take advantage of them,,, in other words, do what they have been doing on earth | 11:13 |
| kanzure | ok. i just don't see any utility in you ranting about that trend in here. there's no positive action that can come from that. | 11:14 |
| * katsmeow-afk sees no yelling or ranting, but also no communication | 11:14 | |
| diginet | Fine, but conversely, it seems to me you meet skepticism with disapproval | 11:15 |
| diginet | when it conflicts with your interests | 11:15 |
| kanzure | i think being skeptical about PR is okay, but you shouldn't think PR is supposed to be facts in the first place.... | 11:15 |
| diginet | (i.e. with the plausibility of things like mind uploading occuring anytime soon) | 11:15 |
| kanzure | brain scanning is a fact, not just a "plausability" | 11:16 |
| katsmeow-afk | he is not thinking PR is facts, but he is saying others do | 11:16 |
| kanzure | other people do lots of crazy things.. why is that relevant | 11:16 |
| diginet | brain scanning is nowhere near the same as mind uploading | 11:16 |
| kanzure | *shrug* if you believe in a duality between minds and brains, maybe | 11:16 |
| diginet | that's like saying taking a picture of a bird is the same as building one froms scatch | 11:16 |
| diginet | no | 11:16 |
| diginet | I'm saying the brain is much, much more complicated than you give it credit for | 11:16 |
| kanzure | you have no idea how much credit i give it :p | 11:17 |
| katsmeow-afk | i would say duplicating it is not the same as uploading it | 11:17 |
| diginet | If James Cameron says he's going to mine platinum from asteroids and boost the world's GDP, is that not indicative of what he believes? | 11:17 |
| diginet | katsmeow-afk, where do you house it then? | 11:17 |
| kanzure | to clarify, yes, i do meet your PR boasting with disapproval. i fully admit this. | 11:18 |
| katsmeow-afk | you house it whereever it was duplicated, but the original remains intact, unless you're doing a destructive copy | 11:18 |
| diginet | if we better understood how the brain worked, it might be possible right now to store brains | 11:18 |
| diginet | but I don't think "running the program" so to speak is anywhere near | 11:18 |
| kanzure | there are very interesting results from directly scanning in brain tissues | 11:19 |
| kanzure | people have reconstructed the neural anatomy from these scans and run them in simulations | 11:19 |
| katsmeow-afk | and there's more studies going on now to map brain prcesses related to thought | 11:19 |
| kanzure | to a large extent, the costs of computing is still prohibitive | 11:19 |
| kanzure | but that doesn't mean the scanning technology doesn't work | 11:19 |
| diginet | let me put it this way: if you think simulating a working brain in a computer is anywhere near possible, you know nothing about neuroscience, computer science, or biology. Not saying you necesarily do (I suspect not). | 11:20 |
| kanzure | have you read the whole brain emulation roadmap report? | 11:20 |
| katsmeow-afk | but copying, molecule by molecule, my brain as it's running, so there's one version in the "housing facility", and there's the brain i am currently using, is not the same as uploading, because i won't exist in two places | 11:20 |
| diginet | please, please tell me you don't think we're going to be able to emulate the brain soon | 11:21 |
| kanzure | katsmeow-afk: there's been no molecule-by-molecule approach that has been proposed, really, except some diamondoid nanotech stuff that doesn't work yet.. | 11:21 |
| kanzure | diginet: many regions of the brain are being emulated at the moment | 11:21 |
| katsmeow-afk | kanzure, good, then i got the jump with my opinion first | 11:21 |
| kanzure | diginet: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/brain-emulation-roadmap-report.pdf | 11:21 |
| diginet | yeah that's just not true. We don't even have a good working model of the neuron yet | 11:21 |
| diginet | you assume neural nets are indentical to actual neurons | 11:22 |
| diginet | tehy're not | 11:22 |
| kanzure | i hate ANNs | 11:22 |
| diginet | they're mathematical apporixmations | 11:22 |
| kanzure | i never said i liked them | 11:22 |
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| kanzure | no, i'm not talking about mathematical ANNs | 11:22 |
| diginet | okay | 11:22 |
| kanzure | jesus | 11:22 |
| kanzure | you're impossible | 11:22 |
| katsmeow-afk | diginet, i suspect there's enough computing resources spread around, that if networked together, they could emulate any brain | 11:22 |
| diginet | katsmeow-afk, *maybe* | 11:23 |
| diginet | but that's with the assumption we have enoug understanding of it | 11:23 |
| kanzure | you'er wrong about our working models of neurons | 11:23 |
| kanzure | you should go look at the models in ModelDB | 11:23 |
| kanzure | but you won't, so i'm going to stop talking now | 11:23 |
| katsmeow-afk | diginet, i agree, if anyone knew how to, but i suspect enough hardware exists | 11:23 |
| diginet | kanzure, you're free to go against the overwhelming consensus of neuroscientists, psychologists, and anyone else with knowledge in that field. I for one, will not. | 11:24 |
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| katsmeow-afk | i need to go do more stuff irl | 11:24 |
| kanzure | argument from authority.. you should just read the literature instead | 11:25 |
| kanzure | or run the simulations yourself (and not the ANNs) | 11:25 |
| diginet | argument from authority only refers to general authorities, i.e. if the President said it were impossible | 11:26 |
| diginet | I trust that people smarter than either of us know what they're talking about | 11:26 |
| katsmeow-afk | i had a bumper sticker once "Question Authority" | 11:26 |
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| kanzure | 20 domestic diy total, yikes | 11:52 |
| kanzure | so let's see.. juul, _F7_, yashgaroth, maybe carl, myself, joseph, jacob, nmz787 | 11:53 |
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| diginet | you know what does make me sad though? that carbon nanotubes are probably carcinogenic | 12:06 |
| diginet | I had wanted to experiment with them before I learned of that | 12:06 |
| diginet | maybe inorganic nanotubes are worth looking at? | 12:07 |
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| * Mokbortolan_ finds carbon nanotubes for a mere $36/g. | 12:21 | |
| diginet | I'd buy them if I weren't scare of getting mesothelioma | 12:29 |
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| diginet | I think those fibers that are spun from those nanoforest things would be really promising, if the CNTs weren't toxic | 12:31 |
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| eudoxia | last time I checked the toxicity of nanotubes was because of the capped endings getting inside cells | 12:32 |
| eudoxia | isn't it possible to build 'flat', H-terminated nanotubes? | 12:32 |
| diginet | I suppose you could also just physically coat them with some sort of resin | 12:33 |
| diginet | unfortunately, according to a cursory search, inorganic nanotubes can be even worse | 12:34 |
| kanzure | "Wow! I can't believe we've only ever mined 25 cubic feet of plat. " | 12:38 |
| kanzure | math: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3882728 | 12:39 |
| diginet | I was thinking about a ridiculous idea the other day, on that subject: transmuting molybdenum-100 to platinoids. It's obviously unreleastic because of the energy requirements, but them there's also the issue of enriching the molybdenum | 12:41 |
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| kanzure | beepity boop | 13:47 |
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| kanzure | huh, octopart is in new york | 13:52 |
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| foalmt | im making math sounds | 16:06 |
| foalmt | you need a ramdisk and festival lite | 16:06 |
| foalmt | http://ansistego.sf.net/molest4.py finds powers of 2 in powers of 12 | 16:06 |
| foalmt | http://ansistego.sf.net/plaything.py | 16:06 |
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| foalmt | just change the filename, the .txt in plaything.py | 16:06 |
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| @kanzure | man he's persistent | 16:06 |
| ParahSailin | lol that crazy | 16:09 |
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| augur | anyone interested in collaborating on some experimental AI/cognition stuff? | 18:35 |
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| skorket | augur, what kind of styuff? | 18:38 |
| augur | well, i'd like to ultimately toy around with frame problem/planning/knowledge type stuff | 18:39 |
| augur | right now im actually really tempted to do some MTurk experiments to see how real human brains approach some of these things | 18:40 |
| Jora | there is a group on freenode doing some of that stuff already i think | 18:40 |
| skorket | you had something specific in mind? | 18:41 |
| augur | well i do have ideas for specifics, yeah, but im flexible | 18:41 |
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| augur | Jora: i dont doubt it! if you point me in that direction ill be sure to check out what they're doing | 18:42 |
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| Jora | augur: in ##si I think they are doing stuff that is similar to here | 18:44 |
| Jora | I was in that channel a month or so ago i think | 18:44 |
| kanzure | "When I first walked in, I saw a giant machine that makes hamburgers. And an electronic car. And a guitar with an app store. And a from-scratch coffee machine. It's truly amazing and IMO much more substantial than many other startups I know" | 18:44 |
| Jora | I think this channel is probably more advanced in backgrounds and interests than that other one maybe | 18:45 |
| kanzure | man, people have low expectations | 18:45 |
| kanzure | for "amazing" hardware | 18:45 |
| kanzure | a coffee machine is cool, but i dunno about calling it amazing | 18:45 |
| skorket | you're watching the engineering guy? | 18:47 |
| n_bentha | i wish i had an electric guitar | 18:47 |
| augur | kanzure: a FROM SCRATCH coffee machine! | 18:48 |
| augur | whatever that is | 18:48 |
| kanzure | it probably means "it grinds beans" or "it's a kit to make a coffee grinder" | 18:48 |
| augur | horrible | 18:51 |
| augur | i hate those kinds of coffee machines | 18:51 |
| augur | i want to grind beans myself so i know that i have the right grain size | 18:51 |
| augur | ive actually hand separated ground coffee in two stages to ensure i had the perfectly sized grains for french press coffee | 18:53 |
| augur | and then everything smaller got ground until it was dust and used to make ersatz turkish coffee | 18:53 |
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| diginet | yashgaroth, I've been giving some thought to your advice, on trying to farm spiders | 19:50 |
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| yashgaroth | good | 19:50 |
| diginet | I was thinking, what about a selective breeding program? | 19:50 |
| yashgaroth | sure | 19:50 |
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| Jora | have some of your projects turned into graduate school work for you? | 19:52 |
| Jora | You could breed 3 foot tarantulas , just kidding really | 19:52 |
| _Sketch_ | Or foxes. YAY | 19:53 |
| _Sketch_ | Cute, but not as useful. | 19:53 |
| diginet | _Sketch_, okay, those foxes are AWESOME | 19:54 |
| diginet | I wanted one for a long time, but they're very pricy | 19:54 |
| diginet | Jora, hahahaha! I'm only 18, I wish though :) | 19:54 |
| Jora | yeah the seem so cute and just like dogs (the tame Russian foxes i mean) | 19:55 |
| diginet | and 3 foot tarantulas sounds terrifying | 19:55 |
| diginet | Jora, yeah that's what I'm referring to | 19:55 |
| diginet | they seem to have kind of the best aspects of both cats and dogs | 19:55 |
| Jora | yeah they can use a litterbox | 19:55 |
| Jora | i wish they werent so damned expensive | 19:56 |
| diginet | indeed | 19:56 |
| diginet | and, I would feel guilty, what with all the poor animals in shelters | 19:56 |
| Jora | yeah | 19:56 |
| diginet | that being said, I think that is one of the few "exotic" pets that isn't morally wrong to own | 19:56 |
| Jora | if i ever have the space id like a white german sheperd | 19:57 |
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| diginet | To be fair, my idea of exotic pet is any animal which isn't domesticated, so technically speak the fox wouldn't be by my standards, but still | 19:57 |
| Jora | yeah | 19:57 |
| diginet | Jora, aww, I love german shepherds | 19:57 |
| Jora | Ive never had one but my mom had a white one as a kid | 19:57 |
| diginet | my favourite breed is the border collie. I'd love to own one, but it just wouldn't be fair to it, since I don't have the time or space | 19:58 |
| Jora | they are high energy dogs one of my aunts had one and she always kept him kenneled outside poor thing was neglected and never really had a chance to run | 19:58 |
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| diginet | yeah, people think smart = easy to train | 19:59 |
| diginet | I just want a bloody domesticated panda :P | 19:59 |
| diginet | pandas, d'awwwww | 20:00 |
| Jora | cute | 20:01 |
| diginet | brb, planting bamboo forest in backyard in anticipation | 20:01 |
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| diginet | I think anelosimus is a good starting point for a "domesticated" spider | 22:02 |
| Mariu | o/ | 22:02 |
| diginet | they're social, and they spin cobwebs which (at least, seem to be) more massive due to their 3D structure | 22:02 |
| Cat4D | http://obsama.com/obama.html synopsis of the executive order yesterday | 22:02 |
| diginet | no politics please? | 22:03 |
| diginet | anyway, I guess I would just select for the same things that bombyx mori was: fecundity, silk output, silk quality, etc | 22:06 |
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| @kanzure | https://gist.github.com/25a38b9c5df048dcec4a | 22:27 |
| @kanzure | ^ comments appreciated | 22:27 |
| @kanzure | it's a small phantomjs library i've written (some state machine) | 22:27 |
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| sylph_mako | I just tried Quora hoping it would be a hivemind system one step up from reddit. It is not. They can't realize how much of a misstep it was making peoples topic subscriptions public information. That stuff is a description of everything you are. | 23:52 |
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| sylph_mako | ..on the other hand.. is it inherently wrong for the most powerful news system to require that to be public information? | 23:52 |
| sylph_mako | It changes things, certainly.. | 23:54 |
| sylph_mako | [it's comparable to your subreddit subscriptions.] | 23:55 |
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